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• Dave's 10 Star Hall of Fame episode of Streams and Nightmares
• NEOZAZ Goes to Crystal Lake, on why backstory makes a slasher less scary
• Chris from Pass the Popcorn, on pacing
• Brother Cane's song from the Halloween 6 soundtrack

More from Streams and Nightmares and our Halloween episodes.

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0:26 Tell police! Tell the sheriff I shot him. Donavis, he's still on the loose. Is this some kind of joke? I've been tricked or treated to death tonight. You don't know what death is. Hello and welcome to Streams and Nightmares, where the horror is always streaming and the nightmares never end. My name is Dave and I am your host of the best, the worst, and the bloodiest, streaming horror on all streaming platforms. Welcome back to the show and happy Halloween, as we've mentioned many times on lots of our NEOZAZ podcasts. If you're familiar with any of them, Halloween is our favorite holiday. It is our favorite time of year that we dive into the thing that we like most. So it's only fitting that a horror podcast like Streams and Nightmares do a Halloween special, and that's what this is. And I'm dedicating this to my friends.

1:30 Favorite, favorite, favorite thing in horror all time, and that is the Halloween franchise. So, what I thought I'd do. Go through at least the parts of the Halloween franchise that I like to discuss. Let you know where they're streaming. Give you a brief recap if you forgot some of the stuff that happens in the later movies. To prime you for maybe a Halloween marathon on Halloween night. I know I intend. On Halloween night as I've made a tradition for myself. Over the past many, many years, to attend a big screen screening of the original 1978 classic. John Carpenter's Halloween, which I will be doing this Saturday night. So, whatever your Halloween plans are, maybe you'll include this podcast as one of them because I'm gonna go through. The franchise, or at least part of the franchise, mentioned the other ones very briefly because I don't like talking about them anymore. But that means we start at the beginning with the all-time classic. The nineteen eighties nineteen seventy eight.

2:34 Perfect, perfect movie, which I have talked about a lot on a lot of podcasts over the years of NEOZAZ, including this show. And that is the original Halloween. This is a 10 out of 10. I did my 10 out of 10 Hall of Fame show, I don't know, many months ago. And of course, this was on it. It is streaming on AMC Plus, Shudder, Fubo, YouTube, and, like I said, in theaters. better way to celebrate Halloween than to go see it in theaters with a bunch of your friends. really loud. Enjoying it the way it was intended, but just to give you that extra little bit of Halloween spirit, here's the original trailer. Halloween Night. Small American town. years ago. What's up, guys? eight years trying to reach him.

3:58 seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil. Uh I think you'll come back. Exploring uncharted territory? Totally charted. Sure, sure. The only reason she babysit is to have Halloween. Okay then. Come on out. Fuck!

5:03 Oh. What? Um Whoa. Okay. Uh Um Okay. So I mean, you know how when people watch all these movies at Christmas and they say, like, well, it's not Christmas until I see Hans Gruber fall off the Nakatomi building. It's not Christmas until that happens.

6:04 Well for me. It's not Halloween until I hear P.J. Soles say the word totally. About 10 times in Halloween. This movie is perfectly made. It's the pacing Chris from Pass the Popcorn. And I were just talking about pacing in movie and how, yeah, some movies you could construe them as being boring. But if the pacing and wetting your whistle all along the way for things that are gonna pay off later happens, like a master filmmaker like John Carpenter does, it's not boring. It's perfectly paced. Some of the tracking shots in this are way ahead of its time. The one where Laurie is walking to the house where the climax will happen, it's this long tracking shot. There's another long tracking shot that you just heard in the trailer of Laurie running from the house to try and get anyone to come to the door to help her. There's so many great things in this. And I've talked about it a lot, so I'm not going to dwell too much on Halloween because people are probably sick of me talking about it, but it is the reason that I love horror. It's, it is the reason for the season.

7:13 Just like Jesus is to Christmas, Michael Myers is to Halloween, and I have so much crap all over my little. dork layer, including like my match book. Uh matchbook from the Rabbit in Red Lounge that Loomis finds on the dashboard. Like there's so many great little things about Halloween that people have. Clung to over the years. It's a 10 out of 10. It's one of the greatest movies ever made. And I'll shut up about it, okay? Although you're gonna have to hear me ramble about how much I love something else right now as well, because we go from Halloween straight into Halloween to 1981. streaming on Prime, Peacock, and also in theaters. I saw Halloween 2 last year in theaters, and I love that people are starting to not just show Halloween, but also show this from time to time because I think people that really love this know how good Halloween 2 is as well. That was also in my Hall of Fame. This is another 10 out of 10, and it's hard for a sequel to back something up. This did

8:15 Halloween 2 does. I shot him six times. I shot him in the heart. This mad, he's not human. Universal Pictures presents Halloween 2. More of the night he came home. Reason that wasn't even remotely human. Some kind of a joke? I've been trigger-treated to death tonight. You don't know what death is. Janet. Go tell Mr. Garrett we're having trouble with the folks there is no place to hide. He will always find you. What's this? It's a Celtic word. It means the Lord of the Dead.

9:46 Together. the night he came home. Okay, so I wanted to point out that there are a few things in this that someone could poke fun at. And I've heard people do it, and it's very funny because you can tell that they're fans, and that's what you do. You take the piss out of the things you like. Like how deranged Dr. Loomis starts to come. We've talked about this. There are times that he's straight up ready to murder somebody. Teenagers, right?

10:56 There's that. There's the ending. Laurie Strode, who you can assume has never shot a gun in her life with two shots. Perfectly aim. Two shots right in Michael Myers' eyes. Is that stuff happening? Of course not. No, I don't care. Okay, because I actually saw this one first. Uh so the original Halloween is kind of a prequel to me. being a little kid and not really having access to these. At the time, I saw Halloween 2 first, and it starts with that great recap. Of the original because it is the same night, which I love when they do that in movies. And the shot that I know hooked me. was picture in Halloween Laurie Strode the original is in the closet. Michael Myers breaking through the closet door and Laurie pokes his eye with the hanger. He goes down. Laurie, instead of running, decides to sit down and relax in the hall like most final girls do. And it's the shot of Michael Myers laying straight on his back.

11:59 Sitting straight up. Turning his head in a robotic way at her. That was the shot that got me hooked with Halloween. And that's all Nick Castle, the original Michael Myers and director of some pretty shitty movies later in his life. That deserves a lot of credit. That is the thing that really got me hooked. I love a couple other little things in this though. Nancy Loomis, who plays Annie, comes back. For that one scene when they wheel her body out and Sheriff Brackett gets to see her. So Annie Brackett has maybe five. That's being generous. Seconds of screen time in this movie. And Nancy Loomis comes back. I have a feeling Nancy Loomis and Debra Hill and John Carpenter are really good friends because not only is she in these, she's an assault in Precinct 13. I think she's actually probably the best part of the first two movies as far as the girls. Jamie Lee Curtis gets a lot of credit. She deserves it all. But when you think about that triad of girls being P.J. Soless, Nancy Loomis, and Jamie Lee Curtis, the other two are much more entertaining.

13:04 Then Jamie Lee Curtis's. I love that stuff. That in fact, that's the scene that Dana Carvey's in. Talk about that a lot. Dana Carvey is a In the front yard, as Nancy Loomis is being wheeled out. But there's a lot of nice new little things in here. Lance Guest, who I always like, is a great addition, and him slipping in that blood. All of these things are. memory makers for me. And the only other problem I have with Halloween 2, this is still a 10 out of 10. It's one of my favorite all-time movies. There's the Strange scene. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anything. Halloween 2, like many of the other ones that I'm about to talk about, have super cuts or producers' cuts, which you can watch if you want to track them down. They were defined for a long time. There were things that you kind of found at like a comic book convention or a horror con. and someone was selling the VHS copy for like$40. So there's the scene when Michael Myers breaks into the school. And he writes in blood the word Samhain.

14:07 on the chalkboard. It's mentioned in the trailer. It's a Celtic. Blah, blah, blah. I feel like that one scene and that one word. Has terrible repercussions later in this series when we start getting into what I'm going to talk about in the next, I don't know, 20 minutes or so. When we start getting Mythology involved with our Michael Myers. So, if you want to blame some of the stuff that happens later that a lot of people don't like, I guess you can start to blame it. Here with that simple word written in perfect printing, by the way. Nice job, Michael. I mean, he never went to school after, you know, like, I don't know, third grade, but he's got perfect printing. And it's kind of stupid, but none of that detracts from me as far as how much I love Halloween and by extension, Halloween too. Okay. Those are out of the way. Now let's start talking about the other things that get people going one way or the other. Starting with Halloween 3 colon.

15:16 Season of the Witch, which came out in 1982. It is streaming on Prime. And Looks like Peacock. I can't read yet. Peacock. And I actually have seen this. broadcast or shown in theaters recently. There's a uh Drive-in theater not too far from where some of us live in Pennsylvania. I believe it's up in Scranton area. Where Tom Atkins, the star of Halloween 3 and other things like Lethal Weapon, he's going to be at this drive-in. And they're showing. Halloween 3 and he's signing autographs and taking pictures. I freaking love that. But in the meantime, let's listen to the trailer. For Halloween 3. Listen, he just walked up out of the rain. I swear to God, that's all there was to him. Did my father say anything to you the night he died? I don't know. Your father came into the hospital and he. I thought he was crazy, out of his mind. He's hanging onto a Halloween mask. He wouldn't let it go. And what he said was.

16:30 Going kill us. Oh nice. And in a little while he was dead. And I don't know what the hell is going on. I've been doing some detective work. I think my father ran into trouble somewhere between here and Santa Mira. Bounded ATD7 connected. Yet I know anything about this cochlear. He's watching you, Fran, I guarantee you that. Where are they taking her? They're taking her to the factory. Never a body at all. Operator, this is an emergency. They're gonna kill us all. Why, Concord? Do I need a reason? Work about the change tonight, Doctor.

18:08 You'll be able to watch it. Be Halloween. I'm going to Season of the witch, the night, no one. great tagline using What was the Michael Myers tagline, but not having any Michael Myers except for a brief flash on a TV screen because someone is watching Halloween and like a office or something. So this was what was to be, and people know this, I'm not telling you anything you don't know if you're a horror fan, an anthology series that Carpenter wanted to do because he was done with his Michael Myers story. And he wanted to have it be an anthology where they could just make a Halloween story every year. but not have it be a Michael Myers story.

19:09 People are starting to come around on this because for a long time, people were just pissed off that this wasn't Michael Myers and they did not accept this. If you look at it, As called anything else, take the Halloween 3 off the beginning of it. If you just call it Season of the Witch. Would love this movie. It is well written, it is well directed, it is well acted. People are starting to come around on just how good Halloween 3 is as a standalone movie. Biggest problem being the way it was marketed, I guess, as being Halloween 3 and people not knowing then that this was Carpenter's plan. Had it been called anything else, this is a classic. And in some ways, this is actually the scariest one. This is scary and scarier in some ways than Michael Myers because this is based in reality. I mean, there's a lot of science fiction going on here, obviously, with the things in the masks. Mm. This is somebody killing children.

20:10 And I think that is something that you didn't do especially then in movies a lot. I mean, it was done, but it was very taboo. This is a movie about killing. hundreds of thousands of little children. That ups the ante in this. It's got a cult following. And I really enjoy parts of this. There's that really great shot of those trick-or-treaters walking over. The valley in California as the red sun is setting and you just see their silhouettes. What a gorgeous shot! I love shots like that. And Nancy Loomis is back. I forgot that she was even in this, but she's in this as well. I gave this a six out of 10. This is something that I will watch, maybe not every Halloween, but come back to you from time to time. And like I said, it's streaming on Prime and Peacock. So we're still doing pretty well with the Halloween franchise. We're gonna turn a corner somewhat soon, starting with Halloween 4 colon.

21:16 The Return of Michael Myers from 1988. Ten years ago, on the night of October 31st, a small Midwestern town fell victim to an escaped killer. Under the cover of darkness, he carried out the most horrifying mass murder on record. 16 people in cold blood. ever since that night. No one has forgotten his name. and Halloween. has never been the same Now Michael Myers has come home. He has returned for one more night of unholy terror. He's here to kill that little girl and anybody who gets in his way.

22:21 Oh God, who's gonna be next? Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. Mapping, nobody knows how to stop him. How sick are you going to be of that Halloween theme by the time to listen to this? They know it's great and they can just recycle that. You put that in your trailer and people are like, what? Wait. they listen. So this is what is really the beginning of what has been known. Thorn timeline. And this is where the Celtic cult. And their manipulation of Michael Myers starts. But there was a lot of dark ages in waiting until 1988.

23:23 Until they brought back Michael Myers. This is streaming on AMC Plus. and shudder I actually saw this. Recently at the same theater where I'm gonna see Halloween, they showed Halloween 4. Last year and I was fucking front and center. Because this isn't something that you'd see put back in theaters a lot. But this ignores the ending of Halloween 2 with the fireball that consumes Loomis and Michael Myers and introduces Danielle Harris as Michael Myers' niece. biggest problem and this is such a superficial thing but it is so important To the Halloween franchise. The biggest problem that people have with this one of them, anyway, is the mask. They never again get this mask right. And I mean never ever. So the fact that the mask looks as bad as it is all avail, this is like the worst thing anybody had ever seen. They're like, well, the movie wasn't terrible, but that fucking mask.

24:27 They even used the real Michael Myers mask from the first two Halloween on the poster. That's not what you get in the movie. But this is where these movies and these sequels Which get worse and worse. Is now Donald Pleasance's life and Moustapha Akkad. Trying to just rake in any kind of money. They didn't cost a lot to make. He could churn them out. And the Akkad family could just keep making money. Jamie Lloyd Is the character played by Danielle Harris? She is Laurie's daughter. They explain that Laurie is killed in a car accident. AKA Jamie the Curse didn't want to come back. Um But one of the funniest things about trivia in here and the mask is that when Michael goes to get his mask, they were going to make it a Ronald Reagan mask. that he was gonna kill in, they were gonna ignore the Michael Myers mask. But then they thought the political overtones of that would have been really bad. I guess it wasn't so bad that just a few years later.

25:31 Patrick Swayze was wearing it to rob banks, but I really kind of thought that would be funny. This is not terrible. I gave it a five out of 10 because it still ticks some of the Halloween boxes. And Danielle Harris does a really good job. And Pleasance isn't so far gone yet. that you can still enjoy. His performance. They explain him surviving the fire with a slight scar on his cheek. which looks kind of like a fried egg. Which someone even commented on during the filming. I think it was Donald Pleasance's girlfriend said, Oh, look, Donald, it looks like you have an egg on your face. And then they changed the makeup after that. So the makeup changes. in the mo within the movie itself. Supposedly, and I've never caught this in the trivia, they were going to make the Michael Myers mask blonde. And there is a shot when he's in her bedroom, I believe, in Jamie's bedroom, that you can still see a brief shot of the Michael Myers white mask. Face, but with blonde hair. So they were going to change it a little.

26:36 Maybe going back to the, I don't know, Captain Kirk look. This is Not the worst thing that I'm going to talk about, but we're starting to dip our toe into some. Treacherous territory with Halloween for the return of Michael Meyer, but it is out there for you to stream. And maybe if you're doing a a full watch for the holidays, you gotta include that. As well as the next one, Halloween 5 Colon. The Revenge of Michael Myers. Oh, he's an eye. This time he's back with a vengeance? I mean, hasn't he been back with a vengeance in every goddamn one since the first one?

27:50 So this came out in 1989. This is also streaming on AMC Plus and Shudder. Loomis becomes completely unhinged in this. He even uses at times Jamie as bait. Jamie is now in the nut house because she stabs Her stepmother at the end of four. So now she's crazy. There's a ripoff, even I guess you would say, of Friday the 13th in this, and that Jamie. Who was the cute little kid? Has now become possibly the villain. In fact, that's what Danielle Harris thought was gonna happen in this. She was gonna be the villain and that she would be kind of co-killing along with her uncle as the villain in this movie. This is a lot like Friday the 13th. movies with Tommy Jarvis, the original one being played by really one of our greatest musicians. Corey Feldman. And that they have him grow up to be this psycho. And at one point, he doesn't talk because Jamie spends most of this unable to talk because she's so traumatized.

28:55 They get the mask wrong again. They see that they did it wrong. People get pissed off. They didn't really do much better. It's slightly better, but it's still the original mask on the poster. You really are setting yourself up for failure. If you're going to show people that on the poster and then deliver them some bullshit, they're going to be mad. There's some real crap in this. And I would say that this is the worst of all the Halloween movies. People are going to argue with that because there's so many to choose from. as to what would be the worst, but in this Thorn timeline This one's pretty bad. There are two cops that are chasing Michael. They're like these bumbling cops, and they add. Kind of silly music every time they come on screen with like xylophones and don't dun dun dun, like one of those kind of things. And there's like bumbling sound effects when these two cops are on screen. Terrible choice. Like, there isn't a moment of this where you should be distracted by something so fucking stupid. This also sets up the idea of this guy, the man in black.

30:00 Uh yeah. Within the dr druid cult and all that kind of stuff. The man in black being the one that breaks Michael out of prison because he's being used by this druid cult to murder his. His family timeline to do some kind of bullshit that you never really understand because that's where we're going next with Halloween 6:: The Curse of Michael Myers. Interesting enough, at the end of this trailer, I found an original, original trailer before the title was changed. You'll hear the original title of the movie or what it was going to be called. Um Halloween 5, I give it a 4 out of 10. pretty generous just because this is like my home turf. I'd say we get a little better in the next installment, and there's a big reason for that. But here's your trailer. Every legend is based on fact. Every myth is grounded in truth.

31:08 For 17 years, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois has been haunted. by a night when evil roamed the streets. ruled the night. Everyone knows his name. Now, everyone will know the truth. I knew what he was, but I never knew why. That Halloween since the origin of Michael Myers. Here it there, it's Halloween 6. In fact, it's not just Halloween 6, it's Halloween 666. The origin of Michael Myers. Maybe a better title. Uh Dimension Films is in charge now.

32:10 And they take over horror for a while around this time. Scream is a big hit for them. That will influence horror for at least the next decade and maybe still is to this day. with dimension and charge. Things maybe at least get a little more money, a little more interesting. And the big thing that's interesting about this that everyone knows is that this is introducing. Paul Stephen Rudd As Tommy. The little boy from the beginning that Laurie babysits. Tommy Doyle is back, which was supposed to happen in part four. Tommy Doyle was supposed to be the main character coming back and helping Dr. Loomis. They wait two movies to do that. So I don't know why they didn't just keep up with the legacy characters. And maybe because he isn't as. related to Michael Myers, so Michael wouldn't necessarily be trying to kill him. Paul Rudd, as Paul Steven Rudd, this is his first. Screen credit. I filmed it around the same time as Clueless. Clueless came out after.

33:11 So this is it for Paul Rudd. I've heard interviews with him that said he just was there and having a good time and everybody was lovely and he knew it was stupid, but he was a young struggling actor and of course he's going to do whatever he can to pay the bills. Jamie is now an adult in this. So Danielle Harris is out. Jamie has her own baby. She's given birth at the beginning of this. And Michael Myers is just following this bloodline as Jamie is killed and now he's got I mean, these people just keep having babies. And Michael Myers is like, can you keep it in your pants? I gotta stop one day killing all these babies, man. They're always having babies. cult wants this baby. It is the cult of thorn. And this is the curse that Michael Myers has and why he kills. All of this is bullshit, right? Nobody needs this backstory. It reminds me of what we talked about when we just did our Crystal Lake episode. I think things are scarier when you don't know anything about them or you don't know why they do it. They just do it.

34:16 I don't need some convoluted backstory as to why Michael Myers killed his sister in 1978. I this and if this is your reason, this is really fucking stupid. The Strodes are back in Haddonfield, when this was kind of nice because they brought back at least some of that idea, and they're living in the Myers house. Because, you know, why wouldn't you want to live in the Myers house? This is your last Donald Pleasance. He dies. And this is one of the ones that really has a lot of different producers' cuts. Which you can find, which kind of adds things here and there. But the bottom line is you're still talking about a Celtic cult. uh the cult of thorn, the man in black, and Michael Myers being a Yeah. Of this cult. Ridiculous, right? This concludes the Thorn timeline. Halloween, the curse of Michael Myers, the origin of Michael Myers, whatever the fuck you want to call it. The only other thing that I like about this is it did have a song. And I remember this song being

35:17 Not a hit. I'm not giving it that kind of credit, but it was a, you know, like a grunge band. It was the time. Brother Kane. The guy that's elite singer has a Chris Cornell-ish. kind of voice. full shine on. I think it was kinda it was a good sign. So look up that Brother Kane song if you're if you like kind of 90s rock. That was the only good thing about this. I bumped this back up to a five because at least there's some things here that hold my interest, maybe especially Paul Rudd. This is the conclusion of the Thorn timeline because we are going to be whisked away to a whole new timeline where things are a little different. with Halloween H20 20 years later. It's 1998 in a remote California town at a secluded private school. We could have a Halloween party just before us. We could have a roaming orgy. I love the way this man thinks. No booze, no drugs, no kidding.

36:24 Sure. is living in fear. I know if you think I am. I changed my name when I went into hike. Terrible. My brother killed my sister. How'd he do that? a really big kitchen knife. I can't take it, Mom. Dead. It's been 20 years. What's he waiting for? Don't you think he will have shown up by now? This is a sick joke. Now, the face of good and the face of evil will meet one last time. But this time, it's going to be a fight to the finish. This summer, Terror won't be taking a vacation.

37:40 Halloween H20. It's Halloween, I guess everyone is entitled to one good scare. I've had my share. And that being Janet Leigh at the end with a cameo with her daughter. Uh, I guess the original screen queen to her daughter. It was a really nice little touch. This came out in 1998. Uh it's streaming on HBO Max and Hulu. So the major difference with Halloween H20 20 years later is that it ignores the fact that Laurie had a daughter. would have been Janie. And has a son instead, which is Josh Hartnett in his first role. So they're all, you know, introducing another one of my favorite actors. I love Josh Hartnett, and he's really great in this. Steve Miner of Friday the 13th fame, he directed two and three, I believe. He directs this. But at this point, Laurie is the dean of a private school.

38:42 Uh and The cast is excellent. Josh Hartnett. Michelle Williams as a young person, LL Cool J is okay in it. And the thing that makes this a big deal and I remember being super excited about this. is that she's back of course they almost got carpenter back too But he asked for too much money. And Harvey Weinstein, because Miramax is making this, it's kind of like you're asking for too much. And John Carpenter is very quick to just dump it and walk away and say, fuck you, then, I'm not doing it. But they do get her back. Kevin Williamson has some fingerprints on this. He rewrites this script uncredited. This is Kevin Williamson after scream, so everybody's trying to get his hands on their horror properties. Four to six was referenced but cut. In the original cut of this. So I feel like the Williamson rewrites cut out.

39:43 The ideas of Jamie and all that other stuff. And they make this then a direct sequel to Halloween 2. And anything that happened in 4, 5, and 6 never happened. So this is a lot of retconning. But most people will agree. This is probably the third best Halloween movie. Jamie Lee Curtis is back. She's great in it. They got the mask even a little better this time. There are a lot of nice touches in this. And I think these are Williamson touches because Williamson, obviously, because of the. Referential nature of Scream knows his shit. My favorite one in this is there's in the original Halloween. Jamie Lee Curtis has things that she now has to say. It's like, it's not on the level of Arnold Schwarzenegger's I'll Be Back. But Jamie Lee Curtis in these movies says the phrase, or someone else will say it. Do as I say. She says this to the kids when she's trying to save their lives in the first one. It's almost, I would say, maybe it's more akin to the Star Wars: someone is going to say, I got a bad feeling about this.

40:49 Someone will say, do as I say. Like Jamie Lee Curtis. But in the original one, she tells the children, I want you to go down the street to the McKenzie's house. That happens in Scream. Kevin Williamson uses that line in Scream, and this says Scream all over it. But in this movie, she says, I want you to go down the street to the Beckers' house. Casey Becker. is Drew Barrymore's character. In scream. Definitely something that Williamson wrote. I gave this a seven out of 10. Was really excited when it came out. It had a great ending and what was or should have been. The natural conclusion To the Halloween franchise and the story of Michael Myers and Laurie Strode. We still have one more that I'm going to go over, and it is Halloween resurrection. The childhood home of our most brutal mass murderer. The home has been rigged up with several cameras, but for the most part, the audience will see.

41:57 Only what you see. They're not just putting us in some house with hidden cameras in the shower? This is gonna be fine. The windows will be boarded up. shut behind them. to leave until the show is over. Entertainment beginning. You think this is the one that he used to, you know, do his thing? One flash and you could light up a thousand computer screens. You are like this close to getting voted off the island. What just happened? We just lost Bill's camera. Here's the main hall. Uh Come sooner or later. What took you so long? Freaking shake, mother.

43:04 So I forgot one other thing I wanted to point out: that Jamie Lee Curtis was so good in Halloween H20. That I saw a story or an interview from back then of Quentin Tarantino. saying that he thinks she should have been nominated for an Academy Award. That's how great he thinks her performance was. And he tried to get Harvey Weinstein. To lobby, you know, like how you have to do a lot of lobbying and you put it out there and you, you kind of like have to do a lot of politicking. The, the, Miramax should have done that for her, but they didn't. So, uh, That's a feather in her cap as well. But like I said, the last one ends with. Laurie. cutting off the head of Michael Myers. or what she thinks is Michael Myers. And to get one more movie out of her that she had to do because she was under contract. She signed on for two movies to get Halloween H20.

44:05 made. So still under contract. She has to come back one last time. Well, we thought at least one last time. Laurie Strode. Now, in a mental institution, just like Jamie Lloyd was, just like Michael, her brother, was. because she has learned that she has killed an innocent man. The beginning of it being that that entire wonderful chase And fight at the end of Halloween H20 was all meaningless because it wasn't Michael or It was an EMT. Who's Larynx? Michael had crushed so he couldn't talk and say hey. Lady. I'm not Michael Myers. Couldn't do that. switched outfits with him. The old switcheroo Michael puts on the EMT. The EMT puts on the mask and the coveralls. and Jamie Lee Curtis, Laurie Strode.

45:05 cuts his goddamn head off. And he's like, Just a guy. He's a father of however many. He's just, you know, trying to make the make the rent by being an EMT, and she has this overwhelming guilt. But this continues that storyline of her having a son and not a daughter. There is a picture in her room of Josh Hartnett. being that son. This came out in 2002, by the way. Also streaming on HBO Max and Hulu. Halloween resurrection after the Laurie Strode stuff is done because she is waiting for him. And we do see at least then. The official death of Laurie Strode. tries to kill Michael with some booby trap kind of things. But for some reason with them both hanging off of a building. kisses him on the mouth. plummets to her death. So Do what you will with all of that. The one other thing that's half decent about this is that at least they get Rick Rosenthal back from Halloween 2.

46:07 That's a nice little thing. I think Halloween Resurrection is kind of like part three. Name it anything else, it's a little gimmicky. But it works as a movie. It's way too gimmicky for Michael Myers. The Busta Rhymes. De entertainment. Putting cameras in the haunted house where a serial killer is coming out. The cast was okay. It was Katee Sackhoff from Star Wars and Thomas Ian Nicholas from American Pie and Rookie of the Year. Pitcher Michael Myers got a big butt. Yeah, it's not a terrible premise, but making it a Michael Myers movie is. The idea that was originally pitched was Halloween colon retribution. Josh Hartnett starring. to get revenge for his mother after this happens. That never happens again. The thing that people hate about this as well is the Busta Rhymes of Michael Myers Kung Fu fight.

47:12 Happy Halloween motherfucker! There's some real bullshit here, right? This is a four out of 10 super generous. This came out in 2002. So that concludes to me what is the real Michael Myers timeline. We, of course, have many other movies. I'm not going to cover them on here. Maybe I'll do this next Halloween if I want to punish myself because your next timeline is the Rob Zombie timeline. Fuck. I love his music. I hate his movies. And to me, he doesn't understand. what Halloween is, and he bastardizes this in the name of horror porn. This is this is a lot of excruciatingly violent scenes A lot of the back story of Michael Myers a la Crystal Lake on Peacock Now, which I don't give a shit about. And I can't believe they made two of these movies. John Carpenter himself has said he cannot watch these movies. And I'm with him. I think they're the worst thing. I actually think these Rob Zombie movies are worse. Then Halloween four, five, six, and eight.

48:17 these movies. I can't stand them. Danny McBride timeline after that gets a little better, but the thing that bothers me the most about that. is that it ignores Halloween 2 altogether. And the idea that Laurie and Michael are siblings. No, that's the thing that that you you Halloween one and two to me are a package deal. And I love Danny McBride. I think he's hilarious. He's a great actor. He's a great writer. I love almost everything he does, but I do not condone Eliminating Halloween 2 to get these three more old lady Laurie Strode movies. With Anthony Michael Hall. And whatever the fuck other baggery is going on in these movies. So I'm not covering those either. They're maybe okay if you don't care as much about Halloween 2, but I do. I care a lot about Halloween 2, and the fact that they ignore it altogether. does not set well with me. But that's about it. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that's about it. I'm not going to cover those other things. I'm just happy to, you know, get this out there for Halloween, kind of walk down memory lane, help you do it if you were kind of forgetting about some of those very forgettable sequels, and tell you where they're streaming if you did want to do a deep dive for yourself.

49:39 But I want to thank you for listening to another episode of Streams and Nightmares and wish you a very happy Halloween from me and everyone else at NEOZAZ. Thank you so much. The clock is ticking. It's almost time. Happy, happy Halloween Halloween Halloween Happy, happy Halloween Silver Shamrock Happy, happy Halloween Halloween Halloween Happy, happy Halloween Silver Shamrock

In NEOZAZ's 2026 Halloween special, the crew argues about Peacock's Crystal Lake, the series about young Jason Voorhees and his mother Pamela. Two of them liked it. Dave quit halfway through episode one and came back only for the finale. He explains why a backstory with a mad scientist and a super-serum ruins Jason for him. Then everyone moves to a campfire for true ghost stories: a demon beckoning from a building site in Marlton, New Jersey, an old woman on the attic stairs, and two grandparents in the dining room.

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Also mentioned

• Streams and Nightmares – Halloween Franchise, Dave's walk through the Michael Myers films
• NEOZAZ's A Nightmare on Elm Street commentaries with Erica

More Halloween episodes and NEOZAZ Specials.

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0:14 And Hello and welcome to this NEOZAZ Halloween special for 2026. Six, six, six. Sounds like you're saying sex. Which is what gets people killed in these movies. That's right. You know the rules. You don't have sex. You don't go in the woods and what else? You don't drink or do drugs. You don't drink and or do drugs or you would die. You deserve to die. You deserve to die. If you do all three, yeah. dead. I've done I've done some of those things. W this isn't gonna be really we th there's there's a a new Peacock series that premiered maybe what, Luke, like a month ago? No, not even that. Couple weeks ago couple weeks ago. Crystal Lake. About like young Jason and what happened to him. At the camp, and he drowned, and blah blah blah. Then you know the rest. A few of us.

1:15 Watch the show. And I really liked it. And there's one person who didn't watch the show, just watched a few episodes and hate it. So we're here to discuss why that person's wrong. I will I will admit Right off the bat. I did not watch this entire show. I watched. Half of the first episode and turned it off. Then watched the second half because you were like, you got to give it another chance. Made it through the first one. And then I watched the final episode. So I watched the first and the last. So I say everything that I'm about to say without watching the entire episode. I will admit that. The entire series. I will admit that. But you know, like on that last one, you told me everything that was going on. So I already knew. The and then going into that last one, they do the previously unlost. You know, right right. And they give you the whole series basically in the recap. for the last episode. I know the story.

2:18 Yes. Did I see every kill? No. Do I know all the characters? No. But I know the story, and the story is what I have a problem. Well, when this when we start watching it. And there's like flashbacks of whatever happened to Pam Voorhees and Jason Voorhees back in the day. I too. At first I was like, oh, is he like an X-Men experiment? What is happening here? Oh, by the way, we should say spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. I mean, if you're listening to this and it's our Crystal Lake Reaction Show. I'm sure you've seen it. But we are just gonna say everything that happens in this show, so Turn it off. I mean, honestly, turn it off anyway. Go watch like a classic Friday 13th movie. Go watch part. Part 4. Go spend time with your family. Right. There's this don't drink or do drugs. No, or have sex. Or certainly with the family. I mean, I don't know what your family's into, but whatever.

3:26 whatever floats your boat. And if that boat's a canoe, watch out. Yeah. I know what day where day's coming from'cause I myself Was scared of like, what are they doing to somebody who I thought was born? Maniac. I don't have an answer why I accepted it. I don't know why I really went along with it, I guess it just made sense to me. It does make sense to like why he's super strong, why he can't die. Right. Like, it explains what we never knew. Dave doesn't want to answer sometimes. Does it making sense also make it good? It doesn't, you know, I will say, I think it does make it good. It doesn't make it better. No. You know what I mean? It doesn't like up the whatever the word is, up the ante of. Wow, that this makes Jason better. It's it just.

4:31 Plateaus, I guess. It doesn't make it better, but it makes me Enjoy it makes sense. Thank you. So it doesn't take away from what you're already enjoying. That is true, yeah. And here, and even Luke kept on bringing up too, like my favorite horror guy is Freddy Krueger. Now, if there was a Freddy Krueger in his teens. TV show or movie. Who knows how I would take it? Because he he means, I don't know, yeah, he means he means so much to me. No, he just. I like Freddy more and I don't want people to fuck up what I like about Freddy, I guess. Okay. Well, that's fair. Yeah. Let me ask you this before I uh even talk about my stuff and we maybe have a discussion or maybe just start yelling at each other. How did you feel about the Rob Zombie Halloween movies? Because he tried. To do this in that first Halloween. He wanted to give you some insight into the childhood of Michael Myers.

5:34 I remember liking them. I did like them. I really, cause I know it's weird to explain. Like, I know John Carpenter hated those ones. I can see why because he said they told you too much about Michael. But that's what Dave, I guess, doesn't like too much. And for like like Boba Fett, what made him fucking great? He knew nothing about him. Until Book of Boba Fett and the and the and the bathing of Boba Fett and all this other shit that they gave you right makes you like oh Yes. Ah. Right. Dog dead. Dead dog. But I enjoyed those Rob Zombie ones. I did. I like, I guess, whatever I like, I don't mind. A new telling or something New to watch. Somebody else's take on it. Someone else's take on it because I've seen whatever so many times. Let me see something new. Dave.

6:37 Like with a new Carrie show, there's like something new. Yeah, and I never was like a, oh, I love Carrie so much, but I enjoyed the movie and then the, the. The new movie and now this T V show. I I'm enjoying whatever they're they're they're giving me, I'm gonna take. I guess. And Carrie doesn't have the same Uh gravitas as Jason Voorhees. Plus That's all I'm Mike Flanagan. Carrie. So you know somebody super talented is doing it. I don't like some of the stuff that's going on with Carrie either, but I don't care. Right,'cause it's it's Carrie's not really Close to your heart, I guess, as right. The original Carrie is a masterpiece, but I'm not sitting there thinking, like, how dare you soil the good name of Carrie by making her, well, spoiler alert, also for that, making her, you know, part of some kind of super society of. telekinetic uh supervillains. But

7:38 Yeah. But Luke looked it up. Didn't you look it up? I looked it up. Saying what? And said, in the book, it implies that other people have telekinesis. Yeah, like there's other people out there in the book. I believe that. That's just like in The Shining, there's other people that have the shining. And you listen to some fan theories, they will say that, you know, it's like Danny and Tony. you know, like all that crap and and Scatman Crothers. But everyone will say like, no, Jack Torrance has the shining. He got it from his dad. Like don't you think that like even for like carriers or something like don't you think that There has to be more than one on the planet that has this kind of shit. That's what Mom said. Right. The world's a big place. Yeah, I get that. I just it's like I like your um comparing it to Boba Fett because I was thinking Yoda. Nobody will touch Yoda, right? Like, nobody knows shit about Yoda.

8:40 And no one It has the balls. To mess with that, right? Well, that's why I think they have Grogu, because just if that was like baby, like the real. Baby Yoda, that would have been horrible. Like, Grogu's not Yoda, we assume, I guess. No. So they're not going to touch. Yeah, you're right. Like, Yoda would make him great is you don't know anything about him. He's just old. Yeah. Well, he can't be, he can't be Yoda just based on the timeline of the shit that he wants that too, but they could make some kind of. DeLorean thing. You know. But I think it's funny that you compare it to that because when they started making that and Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau immediately were like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. This isn't Yoda. Don't get mad at us. This is a new character. Just don't get mad. Right, they know not to mess with that. Not to fuck around with some yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you're Exactly right. Well I told you Started watching this and I had one of two fears. This kind of had no shot with me, and maybe that's partly my fault.

9:45 Because I think that this was completely unnecessary. I think you s you started watching this with the rather than a chip on your shoulder, you had a fucking machete on your shoulder. You had you already had You already told yourself, I'm not going to like this. Well, I think I would have liked it when I first heard about it. I was excited about it because I thought. It would have been great if Jason wasn't in it at all. Or maybe you have the drowning and you show her reaction to that. But then that's it. And this was going to be the backstory of Pamela Voorhees, which it is. But I thought that if this was just Pamela, because nobody knows, like, there's a reason where she's been from the time that he drowned to the time. You know, that she's There in that damn blue sweater. She's been in the kitchen cooking. The whole time. The whole time. Never goes home. I know you like I'm nice and sloppy. Sloppy do. Sloppy. Where's my Jason? So I would I was okay with the Pamela Voorhees stuff.

10:46 As soon as I started watching it, I was like, oh, this isn't This isn't what this is going to be at all. And I told you my first fear was. Because of the makeup of that kid from 1980, it has always been assumed that Jason is a little boy with a disability. And when you do that in a movie with me, you better be fucking careful. I totally, yes, you are, you, yes, with you. Watch out, yes. So I was worried that they were going to make him be this poor little boy with a disability that everyone picked on and they didn't watch him and he drowned because they were boning somewhere. And I don't like I don't want to see that patronizing bullshit. So The other the opposite happened. They made him the most adorable and cute little boy that I've ever seen since Brian Bonsall on Family Ties. They both have the same head shape.

11:48 So When I watch my Jason, the zombie Jason's basically a zombie in all those other movies. Yeah. It's nice it's not nice to know that at one point he was acute Cuddly kid that loved his mommy, and he was like, Oh, cool, mommy, you got me camping equipment. Oh, a bow and arrow. Oh, can we make a campfire? No. We'll see. That was the thing when Kel was watching and with this, she immediately broke for Jason, felt so sorry for him. Well, I'm yelling at her, saying, No, no, sorry for him. He's Jason Voorhees. He's going to kill everybody. did make you have Hard for him and feel bad for him. But at that moment, he's not the killer yet. No, he's he wasn't born a killer. He was Created in the one, I guess. Wow. Yeah. Well, then you told me, I turned it, I know exactly why I turned it off halfway because I still was like teetering between you better be fucking careful and this is fucking stupid.

12:52 Right. So it would and neither side was good. It was a teeter-totter where on both sides I was fucked. And then it was shortly after he got this camping stuff. He goes into the kitchen. And he has what appeared to me at the time to be a seizure. And I'm like, absolutely not. Turned it off. In fact, when I started again, it picked right up with him on the floor. Yeah. Um like you know like having convulsions. And then that's when you told me it, there's a reason. For all of this shit. So without me seeing. Well after this. Yeah, eight episodes, right, buddy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, eight. So I didn't see two through seven. But I saw the rest of the watch part two. What was part two called? I don't chat now. What was part two? Part two. And what was part seven called? probably called the the chapter because they named all the episodes after The movie. Yeah. Which I thought was a little bit neat and clever. I thought the whole thing they had, like, like, like, that's the thing that kind of throws me off, too. It's not.

13:59 There's still the same characters that was in the original movie in this. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, which was and the same Crazy Ralph. Yeah, everything was the same. So this was just happening. The Pam Voorhees stuff was happening. Off-screen from this movie when it was going on. But I still don't understand why. He died well, I know, he died in the first one and at the in the finale he's Yeah. That I don't get that part, but instead, okay, Brahma makes them stronger. Yeah, but do you old, do you, do you old faster? Do you age faster? You know what I mean? Who knows? They make up their own rules with this shit. It makes no sense. That is true. But I was scared too about he The whole history was, I guess. She had a miscarriage. Right? Luke? Yeah. And it w and it was Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But somehow The old Christine guy, I don't know his name. Yeah. Julia Louis Dreyfus's brother on the adventures, The New Adventures of Old Christine. He was her husband or boyfriend? He was her husband. He was some kind of mad scientist, which is very mad scientist. Introducing a mad scientist to anything is never good. It's never a good. Let's introduce a mad scientist. Oh, you don't have any ideas, do you?

15:15 A mad scientist never ruined Bugs Bunny and Gossamer. Okay? Hmm. people. That was fun. So, yeah, a mad scientist, but the miscarriage happened. I guess the baby was dead inside her, but then he. Shot put like a shot in her belly. Something that injected it and then brought the baby back to life. Yeah, is that why? His face the basketball head. Like, his face is deformed, do you think? Or was he I don't know like was he born was he in the belly Style. perfectly handsome young boy. And then did the shot. Create The goonies is conditioned. Yes. So she got shot. It wasn't, they pulled the baby out and the baby got shot. She actually got the shot too. So she should have also this. No, I think they should have soldiers serum. Yeah, she smashed the baby. Yeah, so

16:16 None of it's going in her skin. Yeah, but the serum's still inside the needle. I have no idea. Oh, Christ almost. But I think the needle shot inside the the the the baby part. All right. Which is why she's on the run because supposedly people show up at at her house. Who who, why? Why did they show up again? Cause they, oh, because they said, oh, we thought they were. They knew they were like lying. Jason. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the. Jason died and they couldn't find the body. These two people show up saying that we're the cops or whatever. We found Jason, come with us. Yeah. And they weren't They were just lying'cause they She escaped from wherever. Charles Xavier's, you know, colleges. And then They try to kill her and he, she just slowly just loses her shit and kills people one by one. Dave, you're missing some of the like classic Jason. Minus Jason, pay him Voorhees kills. I'm sure he can watch a super cut of that and not have to put up with all this other horseshit, though.

17:22 But it's really good. I love her. Linda Cardellini's great. No matter what she's in. Freaks and geeks on up. I loved her. Right. She is becoming or has become one of my favorite actresses. Every time I see her in something, and it's a and it is a lot of series, she was in the What was that thing with Christina Applegate? There were two seasons. That was Dead to Me. Dead to Me? That show is so great. What a great premise. And there's so many. DTF St. Louis was the best thing in last year. It was. It really was. And she was a big part of it. Mm-hmm. Scooby-Doo? Well, yeah, I mean, fuck it, Scooby-Doo. Avengers? Yeah, Hawkeye's wife, right? Yeah, yeah. She's always great. And I'm not saying she isn't great in this because the scenes I saw, she does a fine job. I just don't like the business that they've come up with. But what don't you like what what would you have wanted? I would have wanted very little Jason whatsoever and us knowing nothing else about him.

18:27 See the drowning in the flashbacks in part one. Right. You don't need to see it recreated. They could have used the same footage, honestly. Very little Jason whatsoever, and me knowing nothing about him, but me seeing Pam Voorhees slowly unravel. As this mother who is goo going through the throes of the worst thing that's ever happened to her, the loss of her son. And hell bent on revenge for the people that caused it. And she doesn't know what to do with that hatred. So she takes it out on the campers. Little by little, until it's close. The other things that I did like about the show, to give it any kind of compliment, was the things that you were just talking about: the nods to the former characters, because that happens pretty early on. We we you know from the movies that she was the cook because she says that. Betsy Palmer says that. Um and then Friday the thirteenth.

19:29 Christie, the son of the Christie's is trying to reopen the camp. So the Christie that you see, last name Christie is the dad who's running the camp. And he's like, I'm Bob Christie or whatever, Christie. And it's like, okay, this is the dad when it was a booming camp. I like that stuff. The crazy round stuff, I would have liked to have seen. I mean, I'm not going to watch this. Honestly, I'm not going to watch this. The thing that I was most. interested to see in this show was how they Crazy Ralph. Because when you see him in parts one and two. I mean, he is fucking crazy Ralph. He's gone, yes. Oh, yeah. It's got a death curse. I don't think he's as crazy in this as he was in that movie. Well, you know, like, I want to see, you know, on his way to crazy Ralph. or mostly sane Ralph. And then he pedals off on his bike. Yeah, I love Crazy Ralph. I think she went to sus Dave. Likes everything except of this backstory of baby Jason and him being nice. That's the thing that ruined it. Yeah. I think for me. I didn't want to see him treat. I didn't want to see.

20:40 Poor depiction of a person with disability, and I didn't want to see a cute little nice kid. who was really he was really fucking sweet. You know? He was and and according to like The myth, whatever, is that he drowned because they're at camp councils having sex. But in this series, they are having sex. Some girls watching them, she becomes kind of crazy. But then the basketball, whatever it is, volleyball, your volleyball, gets thrown in the lake far away. And then he goes for it. Yeah. And he's doing it because he wants to not only be seen as like. Typical kid, but he's also doing it because he's, he wants to. Kind of show off for that girl. Yeah. I don't know why. She's the only one that's nice to him. Yeah. Like, who is that girl? I don't know why, like, later on, which Dave doesn't know this. kills. Shoot people having sex. Yeah. But she took all kind of drugs. Oh, because all the 60s. Yeah, the 60s gang gave her mushrooms and drugs. The hipsters. The hipsters, the hippies, whatever. They gave her drugs. So she killed Dave. Those, the two people who had sex. What a waste of time. What a waste of time to dive into her story. But Pam finished him off.

21:55 Oh, she stabbed them, didn't really truly kill. Yeah. Then Pam came over and said, I I I'll take care of this. Yeah. And kill it on both. Yeah, I wish you would watch it. I wish I wish you would just maybe I think you're watching this show in the future. Just shut your brain off and watch it. That's the fun part of watching things, is turning your brain on and having it stimulated by good writing. If you fucking watch the the the the Greasy Strangler Thank you. The Greasy Strangler and then the the the other movie that you just watched, whatever that was called of the of the moist Basket of goo, whatever you are watching. The moist basket of goo? What's the moist basket of goo? It sounds fantastic. You can watch this. This is going to be better than anything of that kind of thing. Pete Strang is dumb and dates like that. He watches it every day. But it's funny. It is you both laughed, so don't even fucking start. That is true. We laughed a lot. Yes, we did.

22:59 car wash. Um Yeah, I I I'm not gonna watch this. But uh I just was completely disappointed and I guess I knew it was gonna be. I don't I don't think I like origin stories. Well that's the thing is like like maybe that's why Dave didn't like Blackface. Bring up Clayface again. It's hard to do to do these Star Wars ones solo. And then they also get to see Lando Calrissian and I was like, I don't I really don't need to know any of this stuff, really. Is this I'm not like is this for other people like We're in our fifties and we grew up with the originals. Like Luke's for my generation. Is this for Luke's generation? Is for is this for our kids? So maybe. We don't get it or accept it or understand it, maybe? I mean, I guess. I would think that young people would be completely bored by this, though.

24:02 Government conspiracy. Well, it's not a government conspiracy, some corporate conspiracy. Of some drug that makes someone superhuman and they're chasing the mother of a boy that died. I like it it doesn't that that doesn't I don't think that appeals to young people, does it? I think today's horror movies for the for for the for our kids. Are not like this. They're like the like the saws and the hostels and the obsessions and the back rooms and they get. But those movies even are so different. Saw and hostels torture point. If you want to see people get their skin ripped off or their nuts pulled out. You watch that. Just watch Jackass. Yeah. Obsession is on another level compared to the I understand why young people like obsession because every like I understand why everybody likes it. That would really appeal to young people. This was so boring. That last, so you're like, we were standing in the movie theater lobby.

25:03 or seeing something. Right. Was it clay face? I think it was before or after Clayface. Yeah, fucking Clayface. Jesus. And you were like. You gotta watch the last episode. The last episode. No, you go. The last episode will blow your mind. It'll blow your mind. And I go, oh, then I'll just watch the last episode. And you go, no, you have to watch it. You got to watch every minute of it. You have to watch the whole thing. And I go, I'll just watch the last episode. Because I know you're a diehard fan of A certain Jason, and he appears. and the end of finale. Right. My favorite Jason is what I call pillowcase Jason. But everyone calls, what's, what'd you say, Luke Sackhead? People call her a sack. A sack, yeah. Yeah, that that sounds sexual. I like Jason Sack. Yeah, I I uh Just because you put a 12 year old. In overalls with a bag over his head doesn't mean I'm instantly going to like it because I had to sit through.

26:06 A lot of uh fuckery. to get to that point. of The guy coming in. Oh, I'm a good guy. I just want to find my wife. The cop is hiding the wife. Well, now they pull guns on each other and everyone, it's become a standoff where everyone just has guns on everybody and they're just in a put the gun down, put your hands up, put your gun down. Somebody fucking shoots somebody. Because I am getting bored. What did you think? I just that last episode was tremendously boring. Dave gets bored with a lot of stuff. Yeah. Dave has like a short No, I'm too focused. What did you think then when Jason saw his mom and was choking her out. And then why do you think he stopped? 'Cause he remembers her? Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's there's always a piece of humanity in these killers. to my favorite Friday the thirteenth is part two when

27:10 Amy Steel plays the last girl. She finds is She finds his fucking bachelor pad, right? Yeah. She puts the heads there and, you know, Jason care Jason cares about his mother. He cares enough that he kept her head. And She puts the sweater on and she talks to him and she's like, Jason, mother is talking to you. And he stops and he like turns his head. There's always a piece of humanity. In these Michael Myers, you know, like he turns his head. Like, that's that's the key for any serial killer. When they turn their head, that's them having the feels. Like when they have like that that that dog cocked head look. Yeah. The dog's head. Honey? So there's some Freddy to the cock his head. No, Freddy doesn't need to. He just he just he he cracks jokes then and then he kills you. Yeah. Um th This wasn't for me. I'm sorry. That's okay. No, that's I was really excited. I thought you were going to really.

28:12 Enjoy it. And I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk to talk about it about it. And then we said, I watched it halfway through the first episode. I turned it off. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, well I bail on stuff when I know I'm not going to like it. You don't. You stick with it. I know. I, that's an illness. It's a sickness. I, I, I watched the whole thing. It's shit. I gotta see where it goes. You'll watch nine seasons of a bad show just because you started it. That that is true. And I I'm curious, one of our Listeners and and good friend Ted Dastick Jr. is always Posting his reactions of stuff that he watches. Nothing about Crystal Lake yet, and he's like a horror fan too. And I'm just I don't know if I'm concerned or worried. Or Curious if you even watched it yet. He also meant another Peacock. For that too. But you gotta have Peacock to watch this, right? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry that I didn't like it. You were really upset.

29:14 I was'cause I thought I don't know I guess I I put that aside. Kind of saying that Dave would like. Yeah, like this is just right up Dave's alley. Like they like. It doesn't bother me that they showed all these dumb formulas to watch. Yeah, cute and cuddly. That doesn't bother me because I know. That's he's not that now. Like, I don't, I don't care if he's that then. He's not that like that now. Well I choose to believe that this is its own standalone thing. And it doesn't affect the movies that I like. That's how I think everything that's how you should take everything as The new Michael, like anything that's a redone, rebooted, whatever, it doesn't take away. If you leg what you like, then watch that. You know what I mean? That's a good way to put it. Just because I didn't like solo doesn't mean I'm never going to watch Star Wars again. Right. I'm never going to. I hate Harrison Ford for life. No. Yeah, right. Alright, so that's the moral of the story. Flush it if you don't like it.

30:16 Right, right. This is a turd I'm happy to flush. Right. I loved hearing the theme. The theme? I think the same guy. I think the same. What is this guy? Is this Harry Manfredini? Don't just listen to the watch to the movies. Yeah, but I'm glad that he they brought him back though for the show. And so it it's still i I thought that this show had 80s filming To it. It had how the camera is like behind a bush and blurry here. Watching someone. And shaky here. It had the 80s Friday 13th style. All right, well that that deserves credit. I'm not going to slam that because that's good. good for uh Posterity's sake. It's just it's the story, I guess. It's just the story. I don't want to think of this idea of this mad scientist. I'm gonna I'm gonna Once said,

31:18 I'm glad you enjoyed it. That's right. That's what I say when you like something and I hate it. I go, I'm glad you liked it. Yeah. Because I am. I want you to like it. I want people to like it. I don't know. You said that this is pretty divided. People like there are people that like it. You said it. People love it. People people hate it. Yeah, it's like it's not like in between. Like, people are like, yeah, they love it to death. This is the best thing. Thank God this is back. Jason's back. Then there's like, then there's like, holy shit, this is the worst thing I've ever seen. Yeah. If you like this is the best thing to ever have you do the friday thirteen thank god the f the franchise is continuing now with this new blood, no put intended, you know. I wish I would just make more movies. Well that that too, I wish they would make like well the the remake came out. I liked it nine. Yeah, in 2009. He was so long ago. And it was, I liked it. I know. Yeah, it was that kind of thing. I'm like, yo, no, he doesn't. This is, this is wrong, and this is wrong. It was, it was, it was good. I liked it a lot. Like, make sequels to that. They, everybody's constantly making stuff and then giving up on it. Yeah.

32:26 But the Elm Street remake sucks. Oh, I hate that one. Don't I'll never watch that one. Sounds dog shit. Don't even let me watch that one, Dave, again. We're not doing it. We're not going to do it. Uh commentary? Uh-uh. Nope. I'm done. Yeah, that's That's the way you feel about That's the way I feel about this. But I agree with you. That movie's terrible. Yeah. I'll never watch that. But remember remember we did did did the commentary with Erica? Of that one? Yeah. Oh. We watch all the El Elm Streets. Even that one? Yeah. No. I I blocked that out. I don't remember this either. That was years ago, I guess. Yeah. You might have to go back and listen to those. I think, yeah, me. On NEOZAZ.com. Thi is the the Elm Street. Each each one. Yeah. I don't remember watching that one. You know what I mean? That he doubted. But anyway. You like the guy who plays Freddy in that? I like him in that and and other stuff. He's he's fine. Yeah.

33:28 He's he looked he was two feet tall now. Not my Freddy. Nope, not my Freddy and not my president. Not my Freddy. Well This was a reaction. It doesn't mean it means anything. No. This is just how. Luke and I once again are right. And then Dave has to be different. No, that's not the way we should end this. We can be on both sides of the aisle and respect each other's. Opinions, can't we? Yes. Yeah, yes, we can. I I understand why you feel the way you feel. Yeah, I understand why the way the f way y'all feel. That's why I always say, like, I'm glad you like it. I'm not just saying that to be. dismissive. I do I do really I am really glad that you liked This stuff because it's there to, it does, all this stuff is there to entertain people. So I'm glad it's entertaining somebody, even if it's not me. I would have been upset if I did not have peacock, you know.

34:29 I can't watch that. If you never watched a Friday the 13th movie. And just watch this, would you like it? That's a good question. Like, if I didn't have the background of something that I have enjoyed since I was a little boy, this was a standalone story of a New thing about this weird camp? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. But it's in our blood. buddy. It's whatever Jason or whole lives is all about. The horror movies and shit. That's a good, that is a great question. Yeah, if this was some other series and not called Crystal Lake. Yeah. Camp Winner Maka. And it was about a little boy named Ralphie. and his mother named Wendy. and all this shit happened I'd be like, oh yeah, this camp thing's not so bad. Yeah, I think you're right, Luke. Yeah. Just the name Crystal and Voorhees attached to it is what makes it. I don't know about that.

35:32 but I still don't watch it. We actually went to the real camp where they filmed the first movie. In Jersey, somewhere over in Jersey. Yeah, we went there like in the summertime. In the summertime. Just to say, I heard it's filmed around here. And we drove. You're not. Drove down that like driveway and then we got out and we saw a few of the they did do tours. Yeah, there is tours. Like, now. Yeah. But we saw the lake. We saw some of the cabins. We saw the those posts. Yeah. And then Because we shouldn't have been on the ground. Right. Yeah, you could have gotten like the cops on it. They were called the cops on it. I have looked into doing that actually to see if it was something that we could all do. Can you spend the night too? Yes, you can. And. But I wouldn't do it now because it's probably not only more Uh it's busier. It might be more expensive. because people are, you know, into this crystal lake. But that town that's Blairstown, right? Where the diner is in the first movie that girls hitchhiking, she's the one that's late to camp. She's the first person that gets killed.

36:39 And she goes into the camp and she gets picked up by that trucker and she sees crazy Ralph and all that stuff. They use that diner again and it looks great. You're right. About this crystal lake. You can go there. And that diner i there there's a diner there. It's like a Friday 13 diner. We should go there. Yeah. Is that out there too? Where they film where Lake Area? I think it's near it. Yeah. It's right near Seattle, somebody. So there's like a tour that you can take where they take you to the diner, they take you through the town, they take you all around the camp, and then do they have like merchandise? Probably. Yeah. And then you spend the night. Which I would do, Kelsey, no, because you know for a fact there's got to be like 10 people in Jason costumes just walking around. So if you think you got away from one, there's another one. Yeah. I would love that. If some guy like kicked the door in with the with the bag on his head or the mask or whatever, I would just go, Yes, we we should try and do that. We should do that maybe next year. All right. Yeah, we that's something that we sh look into.

37:44 Alright. Luke's pain. Mm. And and if if we do If we do go go to this thing next year or in a couple years. We can tell stories, I think, then. Yeah. Like what kind of stories? Like, what do you mean? Like, like, we can, do you know how we can get around the little campfire, maybe, like, make s'mores? Tell, like. tell like stories that that like maybe like Haunted or horror or weird stories that happen to us in real life. Huh. Like they do in the movies. Yeah, like they do in the movies. They sit around like a campfire. They mention it. It is getting kind of cold. Can see my breath. Like, are you guys getting cold? My teeth are a little bit chattering. Yeah. Yeah, it is getting a little chilly. Yeah, it is. We should start a fire. Let's get chill. Oh, that's a good idea. Go over there and Grab some of that of that wood. Okay, I will. Make it snap back.

38:47 What? What'd you say? I'll be right back. Don't say that because you know why? I mean you might not come back. Man, it's cold, David. Are you are you cold? Our body heat will keep us warm. Oh, are your nipples cold? Let me see. Can you tell? I can cut glass. Did you get the wood? Did you get the wood? I got the wood. Put it put it on the fire. Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that was fast. That that was you knew how to start a fire, man. Were your boy scout? No, uh I learned it from Survivor. So from Jeff Jeff Probst taught you how to make a fire prop. Man, this uh I'm more feeling. Feeling toasty. I guess I'll go first. I have a story. Oh you do? Yeah, yeah. I have a story.

39:47 And this is this happened to me. This is a this is a true story. How old are you? I wanna say I was like around amazing like around eight or eight, nine, maybe ten at the tops. It was In Marlton, New Jersey where wh where my dad's mom used to like live at. We used to go there for whatever Thanksgivings, holidays, Christmases. Gatherings. And she had this. Porch, this enclosed porch. I usually just sit back there. And just sit, I guess. To get away from your family. Yeah, right. Maybe I had like a little one of those stupid football. old football handhelds or the old soccer one. Oh, yeah. Um Then Behind her house, there there's her her little backyard. And then behind all that, they were building all new hopes. Why are you laughing? I told you this is the story, Luke. It's not funny. This is a true, true fucking story. Luke, don't laugh. Don't laugh at me. All right. Your dad's being very vulnerable right now.

40:52 And I tell the story, everyone everyone who knows me knows this story. So anyway, I was back there playing and I looked out. The window Then A little bit back, I saw this. Demon-shaped figure. With like It was all black, but horns or some kind of horns got come out of his head. with his hands saying like I was gonna say Fingering me. But it's how do you say, like when you say in Kamir with your finger? All right. Beckoning you. That's the perfect word, yes. Oh my god. Like he was like saying like he like this thing was like like saying like Kmir, Kmir, Kamir. And I kind of look at them as I getting scared. So so I went in. Told my dad and my brother. And my dad came out and he said, Where? And he and we walked. to where I thought this thing was, okay?

41:54 And the crazy thing is, is that where I thought this creature was... We were walking and right there was like was a gigantic hole. with like broken glass and wood and lumber and trash. Where I always thought this thing was trying to call me. I would trip in and over something and land in this gigantic hole. And I swear on everybody. In this room, which is just two of us. that this really happened to me. He was trying to kill you. I think so. I always thought that he was this this thing was like luring me out there to ch to witch where did it go after I have no idea. I don't I don't know. Maybe he was afraid of my dad. I have no idea. I always told this story. I know exactly. I can see it right now. I can, like, it's like a movie in my head. I can see the image of what I saw. Did you ever have nightmares about it? No, but I did have nightmares of a painting of Jesus Christ laughing at me. But that's another story. All right.

43:03 Well, so yeah, that was Dave. That was Christianity can be scary. They had it we had a stupid Jesus side Jesus Christ In my bedroom, when I was a kid, be bunk beds, and it was up there. And I had plenty of nightmares when I would leave. Like his eyes would like move and look at me. And then sometimes I would get like scared. He would be pointing, ha, ha, ha, laughing at me. That had some weird Jesus Christ. And I have that painting, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's upstairs now. Did he do that when you would like? Touch yourself. Probably. He was laughing at that. That's why he was always laughing because I was always Oh, ho, ho. Jesus laughs at your wiener. So that that was that was my little Ghost Horror Story. Wow. Wow, that gave me the chills on like... Yeah. I know. I know. I don't think, Lou, you didn't have anything yet, right? You didn't know anything weird in your life? No.

44:09 Oh great. Thanks for contributing. If so, don't tell me. There there was Nothing like like to you, like in your bedroom, there's nothing Good. Kaylin had one. Close. Okay. She did when Yes, you She was in a room, like sleeping. She was in this sleep paralysis. I remember this now. And she saw like a demon in her room. She told us that she, yeah, that same demon, she couldn't, she couldn't like move. No. And now I'm wondering: was it the same demon that lured me? I don't know. He followed from father to daughter. How old were you when this happened? In where did you say you were? Ohio. Marlton, New Jersey. Ooh, Marlton, New Jersey. Ooh. How old were you? Eight, eight, nine ish. Would have text her now. Wait, are you getting cell service?

45:09 I don't even have my phone. My phone like is I have no battery. Looks like it's nineteen eighty, where are our phones? You should text her, Luke, if you have service to find out how old she was when she had her sleep rouses. If she was eight, it was the same demon. No. Don't tax it financially. Do you know what? No. Don't. I don't have my phone on my dude. Alright, what's her goddamn number? Yeah. I'm gonna text her. I think I have it. Yep, I have it. I'm texting her. They say, how old were you when when you should go say, what is this about? Yeah, it was it was um I remember her, yeah. Maybe that's the real thing, so sleep paralysis. I remember her her telling me this, yeah. And then there was one time that she got so scared because Her w her her bedroom was is by the road in the Melbourne.

46:11 Some fucker put firecrackers? Or something in the mailbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let it Kind of blew off the mailbox and it scared the shit out of her. She came in her room bowing her eyes out. I can see you doing that. Yeah, yeah. I yeah, I can do that, you know, but and then you went out there. In your underwear. That's right. This is what I do, Dave. When if something is weird, if something happens and we hear a noise. Most people like hide or they get dressed or they duck. They run away. I don't give a fuck. As soon as I hear something weird on the front porch or outside, I go right out there in my underwear. I don't care. And I go, Who's out here? I wanted them. Even scarier a fifty three year old man in his underwear. Oh wait, she takes it back. Say what? What'd she say? She said, LOL, I don't know. I think I was about eight. No, are you kidding me? No. That's some old humor. Alright. Fire is getting a little bit

47:14 little bit low. I need I need to make it brighter so I can see. Alright. Well I guess I'll go next. I told my story many times about the woman who walked down my attic stairs And I'm not telling it again because every time I do, everybody fucking laughs at me. You know the one I'm talking about, right? I would I wouldn't mind. I don't I don't think Luke knows it. Oh, okay. Well, if Matt ever hears us, if we ever get out of here alive, mind you. Matt's gonna laugh at this because he thinks this is funny. But I was, I don't know, maybe eight. And my bedroom was at the base of our attic stairs. We had a big, giant attic. You were all eight. Shut up. Don't bring that up. I didn't even hear that. I don't want to know what Dave's at. And I was in my room. I could hear footsteps. Coming. down the attic stairs.

48:18 very slowly. It freaked me out. I go over and I open the door, and coming down the stairs was an old lady Frail grey hair and a bun, kind of like a Victorian dress. glasses and she looked over the top of her glasses and said to me I'm coming to sweep you off your feet. Liz is Christ, damn. and I shut the door and I ran back into my bedroom. And I didn't hear the footsteps anymore. And then I went and I looked again. There was no lady. Yeah, I got you. I didn't get you jumped. Oh my god, dear. Matt likes to laugh with me about the sweeping off my feet. Like, what is do you think that she was in love with you or do you think she was going to kill you the broom? She was going to she didn't have a broom. But she was coming to get me.

49:21 But I wasn't gonna tell this story, but I got another one for you. Okay, okay. This supposedly really happened in my house, the house that I'm sitting in right now. This is my wife's story. In your room in Are you sitting in the room this happened in? No, because Pazuzu is here. Protecting me. That's even worse. That right there, the fucking horror, horror story. By the way, we're not sitting in any rooms. We're sitting around a goddamn campfire. Stick with the story. I'm still, I'm so scared. I don't even know where the fuck I'm at right now. That was good cover. You're very good at improv. Thank God this fire is here. So My wife, I don't think she'll mind me telling this story. If she does, she'll never hear it. She's never listened to one of our podcasts. Her grandparents were lovely people. And uh I got to know them very well'cause we'd been dating since we were sixteen years old. And shortly after they passed away, we moved into this home.

50:24 And my wife claims that she walked through our dining room and both of her grandparents were standing in the corner, Looking at her chill as she walked past the room. And when she got into the other room, she heard her grandmother say to her grandfather. told you she wouldn't see us, Bill. Oh my god. Look, look, look. Fire or no fucking fire. I got gooseies. Your hairs are sticking out. I know. Oh my god, Dave? Davey there? Is Dave here? Where'd he go? Have you a day? Did you see him get up? The Jason Gannum? Now, is it just me and you? Think so. Did you see him get up? I didn't see him get up. You that what's happening?

51:33 Fortnite? Alright, I think it's time to go. There you go. I I think this has been enough. But what happened? Dave? Yeah, it was just taking a leak. Uh oh. Oh my goodness. Happy Halloween to everyone out there. Yeah, I catch my breath. Let's put out this fire so the f the woods don't burn down. And we hope you have a great Halloween. Hope you enjoyed our conversations and some ghost stories and We'll see you next time. Or maybe not.

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0:11 Hello and welcome to Box Office Bozo, a game show where NEOZAZ celebrities Chris and Luke Try their hands at guessing the top 10 highest-grossing movies of an actor's career. If they can do that, they will become box office bosses. But if they cannot, they will become box office bozos. Play along with or against them as you, if you can avoid becoming a box office. Woohoo! Luke and I are right now on on a sandy beach shirtless wearing jeans. Oh yeah. Playing volleyball, all chiseled, all chiseled and ripped and glistening from the sun and the sweat. Yeah. And it was so it was so amazing how those guys who were fighter pilots also happened to be like pro level beach volleyball players. Damn right. I think that's a course. To become a pilot, you got to learn how to play volleyball well. Yeah, really?

1:16 Didn't you like like let's just say like when they go to college? Whatever it's called. Air Force uh Well they were Navy pilots, so they went to Annapolis. Maybe you know how when you went to college, one of your courses was was ping pong, right? I had as a gym class I had juggling. See? Badminton. For gym class. And fencing. Safer and fencing. I'm a good knife. At least it it was when I was, you know. 19. I don't know. Nothing Dave has to use in today's job world. You would be surprised how many times I have to fence at the grocery store. But maybe volleyball was a course that they had to take to, you know, as a gym class. You know what I mean? Maybe. And I already we we're already are out of line. We're being way too uh uh jocular. About what we're about to do. Why we're wearing we should be a little more respectful and remote or morose. And I blame Luke.

2:22 So do you want to explain what we're doing or do you want me to? You can do it. Alright, so we generally, when someone dies. See? Yeah. Just told the way Dave said it. Okay. When when someone dies But Because Tom Skerritt. Was not a headlining A-list or actor, but more of a character actor that we all like from things. Like we all grew up in the 70s and 80s. Well, Luke didn't, but you know, most of our memes ass core. We grew up watching Tom Skerritt. Really deliver. in a lot of great roles as a fantastic character actor. So in tribute. The passing of Tom Skerritt rather than doing a best of fives. We will do a box office bozo in memoriam. Of the late Great Tom Skerritt, where you We'll have to guess his top 10, seven of the top 10 highest-grossing movies. I have worldwide gross here.

3:26 You get three sort of four strikes to do it. If you can't, you will be boxed off as Bozo. You have two lifelines, one being claim a co-star, where you can ask me for a co-star in any of the movies. Or fill up a friend where you can ask anybody you want what they think are some of the top. Movies of this actor. And I have a feeling for Tom Skerritt: like, if I text anybody, they're going to say, Two or three that have already been said. Yeah. Cause Tom Skerritt. He's not a he's not a Disney voice actor. And he didn't play Iron Man's Dad. That's all you needed. Marvel, yeah, and and voices are gonna be this. This is gonna be really rough'cause'cause he's like Dave said, he's like not like starring. It's like, he's like, I think I have two in mind. Two are gonna be after the two. We're done. I am forecasting. This episode to be Us being bozos. You say that every time, but you do consult your list. You're not picking this out of midair. You have a list that you can consult.

4:29 Um I think you're gonna do okay because you know This guy. We all know this guy well. He's always, when he shows up in something, you always go, oh, I love Tom Skerritt. And we even saw him at a convention, I swear, three, four years ago, and he was. Signing people had hit a line. He had you never met him. No, I didn't go over there. No, I seen him, but yeah. But if you needed an actor in the seventies and eighties to toe the line and play a certain kind of role. He was the guy. He was, you knew every time you saw him in the credits of something, he was going to deliver. You never saw a bad performance out of Tom Skerritt. Not at all. No. He's he was a s he was like a steady eddie. He always brought the goods. And I respect him and I do really like him. And when you told me, he was like, oh, I guess you heard, right? Who died? And I was like, no. And you were like, Tom Skerritt. No. You were like, yeah, no. Yeah. You were like pretty. Bummed out and all about that. Love Tom Skerritt. Yeah. And God rest his soul. So we're going to do this in tribute to him rather than a mess of fives.

5:37 But yeah, I'm ready to listen if you're ready to guess. I'm ready to guess. Luke, you said you have two immediately. Let's let's hear your tip. I think Top Gun is an Alien. I think it was like late 70s. I would think it made some money. Oh, wait. Tell us the top one and the 10th one, Dave. His number one highest grossing worldwide movie was$360 million. Number 10. But that's a low amount. And I want to ask this first: was he in Maverick? Do you remember him in the sequel? I don't remember him in the in in the season. 'Cause wasn't John Hamm kind of like the new yeah. That I use. New Tom Skerritt guy or something. John Ham and his giant penis. I'm so tired of him. I would be too carrying al along that big giant penis, right? Um do I say top gun? Yeah, let's get that let's get the let's get the obvious ones over with Alien. I hope made more than 18 million dollars.

6:38 But um Dave, Top Gun, final answer. Top Gun came out in 1986 where he plays. Viper. And it made$360 million and is his all-time number one highest-grossing movie. And the thing that people from our generation probably remember him from the most. Maverick, you'll get your reel when you get to your ship. if you don't Give me a call. I'll fly with him. Sir, I mean, I got chills right there. I got goosebumps right there. He was perfect for the role. This is what Tom Skerritt does best. He says he gives you the chills and he leaves. Yeah. One for one. Now he's pissed off. Yeah, that was the one that I'm like, once we name these these two. Let's say Alien. And if that's number 10 to 18, holy shit, we're like fucked that. You know what I mean?

7:43 But um Alien final answer date. Alright. Alien came out in nineteen seventy nine where he plays Dallas. Alien Made $106 million. Is that two? is three. It drops down to three. So Um yeah, like one of the greatest movies of all time, but it came out in 1979. Even if they re-release it, it's not making like the kind of movie that like Avengers Encore or whatever fuck it was called. Right. Like this is one of the greatest movies of all time. It barely breaks a hundred million. Well Some of you may have figured out we're not home yet. We're only halfway there. What? Mother's interrupted the course of our journey. What? Yeah. She's programmed to do that should certain conditions arise. They have. Like what? Seems she has. Intercepted a transmission of unknown origin. She got us up to check it out. A transmission? Out here? Yeah. What kind of a transmission? Acoustical beacon that repeats at intervals of 12 seconds. SOS? Human?

8:56 Unknown. There you go. That's a great funny movie. Like, the only thing that bothers me about this movie sometimes is his hair. I don't know why. His hair looks like it's not real on top of his head. What, an Alien? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, an Alien. Looks like he's wearing like this big black But maybe that was like like the 70s style, I guess. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's like 70s hair. Yeah. Well And the show's over. You got one and three. Now what do you do? Now see, let me, I'm going down his list. He's in so much. Oh, wait a minute. Do you count him as a is that a game? Yeah. Never mind then. Okay. I saw he was in Alien, like an Alien. game but that's not a movie. Maybe they used his voice or his likeness or something. What's his wings? No, that can't be a fucking movie. That can't be that's been that that no, I'm not I'm not picking wings. Wings with uh Tim Daly?

9:56 No, it's called Sky Force Heroes. It's probably like a like right to the tomb. Oh, there is a wings. Yeah but wait a minute, Ted, he's in Ted? Yeah, he he plays himself in Ted. Oh we gotta say say Ted. They said, that hasn't made me go 18 million. Yeah. Yeah. Ted, final answer. He's in Ted? Oh shit. He plays he plays himself? I don't know if I forget it. All right. If that is right. You have um It says he waits. That I don't have. And I will give that to you. He's briefly referenced in TED. There is a photo. So we can't count Ted then. No, he's not in. Okay. Okay. He's not in. His photo's in. Take it back to the bottom. In the movie, John Bennett played Black. Take it back out. Yeah, no, no, we won't I won't count that. In the movie, John Bennett played by fucking Mark Wahlberg. That's what it says here. And the living teddy bear Ted have a moment where Tom Skerritt's photograph is shown, leading to a humorous exchange.

11:04 Yeah, we can't count that. I am so far in 2004. I have seen nothing that caught my eye so far. We're gonna lose this. Oh my God. Tears of the sun. That's Bruce Willis. That made more than 18. This is fucked. We are fucked. Dave would I The hunt for the unicorn now into the wild blue the oh the other sister Nah, I don't know. This is bullshit. Oh, contact. That means something. Dave, I'm going with contact first. Final answer. Yeah. Dude, clusters contact. That needs something. All right, well, contact came out in 1997. It is a lovely movie. But I haven't seen it in a long time. Me neither. It's been forever. Well I'll tell you this, it made a hundred and seventy one million dollars. And it says number two. Yeah, control is shit. Contact. But this made more than Alien? Yeah, but it's money. It's different times. That's 70s money. This is 90s money. Yeah, it came out 20 years later almost. So contact, yeah, he's the guy. So Jody Foster discovers that.

12:13 that message. they're building this big apparatus, this giant spaceship that's going to go through time and space and get to this message. And then they just pick Tom Skerritt to like lead the mission. You remember that? He's an astronaut. I don't remember this movie at all. He's like an older NASA guy, and he's like the steady eddy. He's basically like the Tom Skerritt of astronauts in this movie. And they're like, well, we need a mission command. It's gonna be it's gonna be Tom Skerritt, and he's the one that's gonna go. To find this thing, and Jodie Foster's like, hmm, what about me? So, yeah. Melanie. Congratulations, David. Glad you could come. Didn't uh expect to see you here. Well, I'm still uh you know, crew officers at the control center and I suppose the fact that I discovered the message means that I have some PR value. Of course. Ellie, I know you must think this is all very unfair. Maybe that's an understatement.

13:19 What you don't know is I agree. I wish the world was a place where fair was the bottom of wine, where the kind of idealism we showed at the hearing was rewarded, not taken advantage of. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. He's so great. He's great. I forget the movie though so much, too. Matthew McConaughey, he's like a Matthew McConaughey is like a preacher. And he is like the religious aspect, the side of This means like going and contacting other beings and stuff. It's a really good movie. I don't want to sound mean, but a pick and time scare films, right? This is obviously why we're doing this. Yeah. He's not the reason these movies are making what they're making. You know what I mean? It's people who he's starring with. Like, I just saw he's in A River Runs Through It. That's fucking Brad Pitt and Robert Redford. That's gotta be there. Not because of Tom Skerritt, because.

14:20 Brad Pitt Robert Redford. I don't think you're being mean by saying that. He's never he's never you know, name above the title. But that's exactly what we kind of said. If he if you need a guy to to be the anchor of your cast. He was that guy for drugs. Three decades. Yeah. And that's gone because of him. Right. I think we get lying. Ooh, Tom Skerritt is in this movie. But if you go down the list of the people on Top Gun, people are like, everybody loves Tom Cruise. And then you're like, oh, Iceman, so cool. And then you're like, what about Viper? Oh, Viper was cool. Viper was the best. He did have a cool fucking name, though. Yeah, but he was like, he was that leader that he, and it's like in contact. An Alien. He's the guy. quarterback's shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. All three of these, he plays basically a military guy. He's a Navy pilot. In contact, he's an astronaut.

15:21 And in Alien, he's an astronaut. He always plays that guy. Yeah, yeah. The guy who's he's been around who has experience and knows what he's fucking talking about. And the guy that you're going to listen to and put your life in his hands. And he's going to, he's never going to get upset. Because he's just going to be the guy that is the adult in the room and runs shit. Use for three. Well, that's why we got to go with A River Runs Through It, early 90s. That had to make more than 18 million. Look, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. I don't answer Dave. A River Runs Through It came out in 1992. And it made. $43 million. It's number eight. Oh, shit. That's low down there. But you're four for four. But there's one I He's kind of a the I don't want to say he's a dick in that he's kind of he's he's like the dad that's trying to like teach his sons Life through like fly fishing and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:23 That's that's he's in the rookie. With that eastward and twenty nine? He is in the East. I'm scared. Nothing like that Dennis Quaid baseball movie. Case three. What isn't that? Cammic. The rookie, yeah. Um Oh, wait a minute. Steel Magnolias. Which I always said that if I watch that now, I'll be on the floor rolling around in a puddle of tears. Means something isn't this Julia Roberts. I think that has to be there, buddy. Dolly Parton, yeah, Dave Steel Magnolias. Final answer. Yeah. Alright. That had to make more than 18 million for all the stars in it. Eighty million to see Dolly's boobs? Come on. Alright. Steel Magnolias came out in 1989.

17:25 plays drum eatenton. Still magnolias. Made 96 million. Oh shit! And is number five on the list? We're not getting seven. We need two more. And I'm looking, I don't know anymore. I'm looking. I mean, I'm back to Alien now. I don't know. Up in Smoke, I don't know. Beretta, is that John Wayne? I have no idea. It's John Wayne. I have no idea. There's nothing you're five for five for something that you were complaining about. He gets to be funny in. It's Steel Magnolias. I heard that's great. I heard, I had never, I don't think I've even seen he plays Sally Field's husband, and he's like kind of crazy. Just he's always his guns, like he's like a rifle with them. Like he's he's bonkers. and but funny bonkers. He he's kind of the comic relief. some of the women are funny too, but he's he's a He's a standout in that movie. I'm pretty.

18:28 The dead zones. That isn't that No, isn't that like a the anti-michael hall show? Well, the show was made after the the movie. It's a steaming camera. I don't think so, but Christopher Walken. I don't wanna I don't wanna I hate to say this. But I s I saw here, I told you, he's in Cheech and Chong Up in Smoke. In the seventies, they were the giant silent bob of the seventies. And I think people saw this movie. I think it made more than whatever,$19,$18 million. And must stuff,'cause in the seventies it was all about cheech and chung shit. Nice whatever, nice dreams or whatever like that. I'm running out of options. I ain't saying ice castles. I ain't saying Beretta. Who's that? I gotta look. Is that John Wayne? Beretta, Steamer Queen. Okay, same thing, I am sorry. Beretta's an awesome movie. If you haven't seen Beretta, that's a good one to go back to. What if Robert Duvall and Steve McQueen is really? I love Robert Duvall. Let's stay up and smoke, buddy. After this, we're fucked.

19:29 After this we gotta pick yeah, let's dead zone or the hitchhiker. Or I'm thinking of the hitcher. Never mind. About Space Camp. Isn't that a big movie? Why is he always in a fucking astronaut and all this shit? He's a he's that's what he's good at. All right, well let's let's go with Cheech and Chong first, Dave. Up in Smoke came out in 1978 where he plays Strawberry. 104 million dollars. Holy shit! Everything that you said was correct. It's number four. You have the top five. Yeah. He's you think it's a small role, but you're right. Like in the 70s, Cheech and Chong were a draw. Yeah, and that movie that made a lot of money for them. Yeah. And he's, it's another, it's like not what he becomes known for doing like these military rules. Um Yeah, he's in it. Do we need to run more now? You don't need one more. You have me. You only need one more. You buddy. I've been picking all of them.

20:33 You get four chances basically just to get one movie. But we're not gonna do well. It's not gonna be a good idea. Unless the unless the Eastwood rookie means something people love Eastwood though, buddy. This guy picked someone that made$18 million. See, but and then I wanna say Poltergeist three,'cause Poltergeist was a huge smash. But one of my theories is. Sequels don't don't do as well. And no offense. Three is not the best one. You do have your theories. It's Disney. Marvel and then your sequel stuff. Right. Do you see anything else? Singles? That was pig contacts you now back up here again. Besides Top Gun Alien, he's a really Nothing much. Oh, buddy, look at his last eight actor. Well, hold on. Go to the top. Go to the top of the list. It means there's nothing else. Anything big.

21:33 Well, anything for our Box Office Bozo list. This is supposed to be a tribute to Tom Skerritt, not a shitty actor. He was a bad actor. He was in 300 things, and my God, only two of them were good. I am running out of id ideas, buddy. It's I'm going with either Poltergeist Are you you pick it? No. Older guys, what was the the one I s I sent? Other rookie. Alright. I want to say the say the rookie first because Eastwood was a draw. I'm gonna go with Poltergeist first. Oh shit, you come curious. Dave Poltergeist three. Colon. I didn't even know it had to call on. I know. No. The second one was Poltergeist 2, the other colon, the other side. This is just Poltergeist 3, Colon. We've lost our way. The MTV is still possessed. Yeah. That was the one in the hotel. Do you remember? Yeah.

22:35 None of the freeings were in it except for Carol Ann. And she was living in a hotel with some other relatives. And I think Tom Skerritt was, he was like a stepdad or like an uncle or something. He wasn't a stepdad, but he was an uncle or something that Carol Ann was living with. It's no Joe Beth and no Craig T. Nelson. Nobody was back. It's a horrible, horrible movie. of a haunted hotel that they're like, let's slam Poltergeist into this. Mm-hmm. And Heather O'Rourke I think died shortly after that. Curse of polar guys. Telling you, yeah, this isn't going with it. No, I do. I do want to do it because I'm running out of ideas. Poltergeist came out in 1988. And it made 15 million dollars is number 11. Oh, Box Office Bozo. Just missed. So you have your first strike. Alright now. Alright, that's we have to go within

23:38 Eastwood was a draw. This was his prime. He was He would make something people would see it. Even if it made it had to make 19 million, 18 million. It had to. Dave? I'm going with not Dance Claude at the rookie. Not Nathan Phillians the rookie. I'm going with Cleans Woods, the rookie. The red Came out of 1990. And I don't have the box office stuff here because it's not even on the data that I've done, meaning it's not in the top 10, and that's strike two. Well then I'm an out. Amount of ideas. Dave, I'm gonna right now, I'm gonna I'm gonna use one of my Lifelines Give me an actor. Okay, pick one that you would like. You're missing six, seven, Nine and ten. Let's go with six, because then it's the most the sixth most popular one, I would think. Alright. This is a good use of your Lifeline, because I only know one other actor in this.

24:41 without me looking. I mean, I could I could fuck you over and look up. Somebody that's in this movie way down. Uh but you're actor. Bruce Willis. Then it's that. That's just fucking bad but what would I say earlier? The tears of the sun? Is that why I said now I'm looking? Cause when he gives us an actor, we can't look because then it's like cheating. What did I say earlier? Like Tears of the Sun? What was it? Brothers and sisters, where was that at? Oh it's not this it's not this Recent because Bruce come out in the 90s, I think, or maybe in the early 2000s. There it is. Yeah, 2003. Tears of the sun. Final answer. That's got to be it because it's Bruce. Finally, Tears of the Sun came out in 2003. And it made 87 million dollars. It's number six. And who saw that? I don't remember. I mean, military guy. I know. I saw Tears of the Sun. Sergeant Colonel. It's and it's Antoine Fuqua from the director of Training Day. Like, it was like, I think it was his follow-up to Training Day, and people are like, oh, this guy's great. And that movie is good.

25:47 That is a one-time watch and never watch it again. It's not true, good. Rady, right, as much as you even love Bruce Willis, it's like. I mean, I don't ever need to see Tears of the Sun again, but it was real serious. It was like a gut wrencher and I'm sure he played some military guy, but it's number six on the list, and you have won the Tom Skerritt. Tribute episode. Congratulations. So in a way, we just spiked the volleyball down in Tom Skerritt face. Hit his mustache and the sand came off his mustache. Again, let me remind you: this is a tribute show. Why are you spiking the dead man in the face and having his mustache fall off? I do it. I do it out of love. It was solid. Okay. Well done. That was quick. That was quick and painless. I'm curious. Can you give us an actor of the ones that we didn't get without looking, buddy? Just wanted to see if we can. Yeah, I'll start. I have all the way back to 13. I'll start at 13 just for fun. And I'll give you number 13 your actor is Christopher Walken. I'm not going to look. Okay. That's 1983's the dead zone.

26:56 Oh. Oh, duh,'cause it wasn't walking in the T V show? No, that was the Anthony Michael Hall thing that you were talking about. Okay. Dead Zone is a Stephen King book and uh Cronenberg. the movie. It's a good movie. I don't remember Tom Skerritt in it. But that only made$9 million. That's his number.$9 million? Yeah, his number 13 is$9 million, like not far off his top 10. Number 12, your co-star is... Kelly Preston. Kelly Preston was wasn't that Chavoto's old old wife? God rest her soul. Yeah, God rest her soul. Um Possibly the most beautiful woman. I've ever seen. I don't know. I'll give you another coaster. Donovan Who is from the UC? That's how I know Ted Hammers name. I don't I what year?

27:57 I'll give you one last question. Kate Capshaw that that's Willie. I don't know anything that she's in except for. Oh, wait a minute. He was I right? Space camp? Space Camp, 1986. Space Camp is so much fun. I remember when. I've never seen that. Oh my God. We were 13 when that came out. And I was like, holy shit, this is so much fun. Cause then it's, cause it was a real thing. There is Space Camp. But it was, do you remember the premise? No, I don't, no. So these kids go. It's Tate Donovan and Kelly Preston and it's the Who's the black? Kid from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, I see I see his face. Yeah. So they go through space camp and they get to pretend to be astronauts. And they get, as a special treat, they get to sit in the real space shuttle. It's like, wow, this is great. And while they're in it, it launches.

28:59 they go to space for real. That would never happen now. So he must play some NASA administrator. I mean, this is another astronaut movie. Yeah, yeah, another, yeah. The man plays a good astronaut. He does is he an Apollo 13? Yeah, so Space Camp 1986, we were 13, I was all about that because I guess also Kelly Preston, Yowza. I guess they were all how old were they? Were they all teenagers or in their 20s? Yeah. Okay. The actors were probably in their 20s, but they were playing like 16, 17 year olds or something. Right. Yeah, and Kate Capshaw's like the leader. She's like the teacher. the counselor, the head counselor of their space camp group. Love it. They will do, right? I guess. It was after. She and she and she played a a like a young teen? Wow. No, she was the counselor. Oh, okay, okay, all right. Gonna say, damn, she looks good, okay. No.

30:02 Uh elev that was 12. Eleven was Poltergeist. Ten. co-star, I'll give you Matt Dillon. Nah, I don't know any Matt Dillon except Fonda. One or no return. Oh no. Alright, I'll tell you this. I don't know how much this will mean to you. This movie is a kind of love letter to the Seattle Grunge era. Of the 90s. Was it singles? Singles 1902. Made$18 million. The clue I was going to give you, and you're going to be like, shut the fuck up, Dave. There's all kinds of grunge people in it. Like Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament are all in it. The members of Pearl Jam as a band called Citizen Dick. And then like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden, they're all in it. They're on the soundtrack. It's like more famous for its soundtrack. Right. Then I remember when that was out that was yeah, that was a huge Soundtrack movie. But it's Cameron Crow, you know, it's a really great movie. That only made$18 million.

31:05 That's his number 10. All right, number nine, your co-star is Giovanni Ribisi. Then it's that, the other sister, because I remember he's in that, right? Goddamn other sister, which yeah, that's why I didn't say that. Yeah, it's one of the worst movies ever made. It was Gary Marshall, other wife. Juliette Lewis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. It is possibly the most patronizing movie of all time. with Giovanni Ribisi and uh Juliette Lewis. Playing people with disabilities, but just doing it in a very Obscene. an irritating way. Insulting way. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's Gary Marshall, and Gary Marshall movies, other than Pretty Woman, suck. So The other sister made twenty eight million dollars, came out in ninety nine. You got a river runs through it. Eight. And number seven. Your co-star give you Elliot Gould.

32:09 MASH. MASH is correct. Holy shit, because that's the only thing I know Elliot Gould is, is except for the commie later in life, where I don't even know what they are. But yeah, it's yeah, MASH is it? MASH 1970 made$82 million. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. So this movie connected to the show? The movie came first, right? And then the show was after, or vice versa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love the TV show, not Zen. I was like, kid, this is boring. I mean, the show's way better than the movie. Robert Altman directed this, but this was like a highly regarded thing. A couple people from. The movie made it into the show. William Christopher. Plays Father Mulcahy. He's in the movie. And Gary Burghoff, who's radar, is in the movie. Oh, okay. So two people from the movie came to the show. Yeah. But uh Tom Skerritt just plays like he I think his name is Duke. He plays one of the guys that lives in the swamp with BJ and Haw or with Trapper and Hawkeye. Die. Not that hawkeye, buddy. The b a better hawkeye. A hawkey who has more

33:10 Powers in that hawkeye. He hears Hawkeye and gets all excited. Yeah, yeah, Hawkeye. Well done. I'm impressed. I'm impressed too. I really didn't think they would. I thought they were going to lose it. But you gotta pick the movies that were big for other reasons, not because of Tom Skerritt. He was just in these films. You gotta pick the. This was this. I wanna watch Alien again. You know what I mean? I wanna watch what. I guess I saw One of his his early first early works, you know? Yeah. Every movie that that Needs a guy like that does all those things that we said. He battens down the hatches and he just runs the show. Like every movie needs a Dallas. That's like when you watch Alien and see him, it's like, yeah, this is what if I was stuck in this situation. I am on his hip and listening to every word he says. And I I'm comparing it, like I think if I In a way, he's like

34:10 Put a mustache on Kevin Costner. And that's Tom's like the same kind of characters that, I mean, Kevin Costner was a leading man. But if he ever did like a A side like back Co-star and came in here with a stash and said something and left. Yeah. That's Tom Skerritt. I like the way Tom Skerritt does it, though, too. He never plays it, he never plays it tough. He never plays a tough guy. You're never like, you're never. Other than Viper, you're a little afra he's a little intimidating because he's just so serious. But even like Dallas in Alien, he doesn't play it like the tough guy. He's just the calm, s the sense of calm, you know? I want to watch a movie that he kicks acid. I want to see. Tom Skerritt as John Wick. You know what I mean? I want to see him kick ass in something. He must have been in like an action movie where he kicked ass, you know? Yeah, I mean, I would like that too. Because he does, I love what he does, but it would be nice to see him.

35:14 Do other things like how funny he was, I said, and Steel Magnolias. Like, Steel Magnolias is the kind of movie, like, when you're In high school, and you're dating, and it's like, let's go see Steel Magnolias. And it's a chick flick, and you're like, Jesus Christ, right? And you're in this movie, Tom Skerritt's the guy that you hold on to. Like, okay, well, this guy's great. Right. He's funny. He's surrounded by all these women and he's just like fuck it. Like as a teenager, yeah, I probably thought Steel Magnolias, man. But goddamn, if I watched that now, I would probably fucking love it. You should watch it. Yeah, I know. That, and what was the other one? Or maybe it's the same one that Julie, someone has has cancer. And dies. It's like, is this the same movie? She has, um What does she have? She she um I think she not diabetes. She has um Yeah, I think she goes into diabetic shock. Because there's a scene where she starts to like have a seizure. when they're doing her hair and they'd have to like They have to like cram orange juice juice down her throat to get her sugar levels back.

36:18 This might be the same immediately. I think she's got like type 1 diabetes or something. She's like really sick. Oh man. And I can relate to that shit nowadays, so I'll probably be fucking real boring and Jesus Christ. But I love how I love I love all I am a sappy. I love sappy romantic tears. Fucking I I cry in everything. I cry in small veil every week. So that's that's just The other thing that I mentioned to you when you said he died, and the first thing that I thought of, besides your aliens and your top guns, is the time that he spent on cheers. Uh that's right. Yeah yeah yeah. 'Cause we're doing movies here, but he was the sixth season of Cheers was when Rebecca showed up because the bar was bought by a corporation. And Rebecca was put in charge of the bar. Tom Skerritt, who played a guy named Evan Drake. Was like the head of that corporation, at least, you know, in the Boston area. And Rebecca was in love with him.

37:20 So he's in six episodes. He's really memorable. There's a couple, there's one that I remember the most. Do you remember on Cheers when Norm. who was an accountant, but he was like, oh, I was out of work and stuff. He would paint. You remember when he would paint? A little bit, yeah. So he was like a house painter. That's how he would like ma make ends meet. And he gets a job painting Evan Drake's like mansion. Mm-hmm. He's there. painting his bedroom. While Evan Drake's out of town and Rebecca, because she's in love with him, she just wants to see his bedroom. And like six. And then he comes home. And She hides under the bed. She's under the bed for like hours. And Norm keeps trying to get Evan Drake. He comes home. He's like, Norm, I just need to sleep. I'm jetlagged. I got to go to sleep. Thanks for coming. Come back another day. And Rebecca's under the bed. And Norm keeps coming back and waking him up. to get him out of the room because Sam is a ladder. Window. I remember this. Yeah. And Tom Skerritt does this lovely bit of physical comedy where he's in his pajamas and George Wendt is just dragging him out of bed over and over again. And he's exhausted. At one point, George Wendt picks him up and throws him over his shoulder. And then he's like, and the reasons that Norm keeps coming back keep getting worse. And he's like,

38:38 Mr. Drake, there's just one more thing. He's like, what is it, Norm? Can I lie in your bed? Because I always wanted to know what it was like to lie in a rich man's bed. And he's like, whatever, he will get you out of here. It's so funny, but on cheers. Oh, no charge, Mr. Drake. I mean, after all, you kind of own the place. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'll pay for it. Could it cut okay? Sure. Uh I'll need to see a driver's license. I must arrive for that. Fantastic. He was great. They and they he makes you feel good, you know? Tom Skerritt, God rest the soul, and good job. Rest in peace, Tom Skerritt. Rest in peace. Well it'll always be my Wingman. Oh, look at that. You did something really nice there. You wanna take us out? Well yeah, thank you for listening to this this um episode of

39:40 I am said the wrong thing, back to his buzzer. Where we um pay tribute to Tom Skerritt. One of the best. We'll see you next time. Ha ha ha ha!

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Also mentioned: NEOZAZ Goes to Crystal Lake, and the Clayface review on Pass the Popcorn.

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0:20 Na na na na na best of fives N na na na na na na na na best of fives. Your remix. Your remix. As you can tell, this is going to be a Batman episode. due to Clayface, which just came out this this weekend. Which I'm here with my son Luke. My my podcast of Buddy Dave. Uh And seconds ago, just calling me to talk about. His opinion on Clayface, and I said, Just wait, we're about to record. He goes, I'm gonna be on is Tim. Well I had the idea to do... No, was it you Lucas had top five villains? I I said top five Batman villain. Right. And I was like, ooh, even better let's do like Batman like actors or actresses who've portrayed any Batman villain and anything out there.

1:21 TV, cartoons. Movies, whatever. So that's what we're doing. Tim McGeorge is joining us at the very last minute. He doesn't have a list, but he's going to comment on ours. be like Chris you're stupid Dave genius Luke, shut up. That's how it's gonna go. Yeah. Why, because Tim and I agree? Well, let's let's get this over with. So I don't I don't have no to to Dave and I and Luke saw Clayface. In the same theater, not together'cause they've had to sit. Somewhere else because it was packed. Yeah. I sat between strangers on both sides, one of whom was a loud eater and one of whom, you know, like you can recline the seats and your feet go up and then you have to like scooch by people's feet. Yeah. Bare feet. Bare feet. He tells this. Someone tells it. So, like, you got to go in, and it's like, you know, people move their feet a little. This guy, bare feet, hairy, you know.

2:23 Toe knuckles. And when you walk past, he would barely like kind of hit his ankle just a little bit. That was all he was willing to do to let people buy. I think that his toe knuckle hair grazed my thigh. Grazed your mustache. Wait a minute. Well, I was sucking thumb. You see, she's like, you know, this is really inappropriate. Maybe we should get some more butter flavor. That is the smallest thing I've heard. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, but that wasn't the worst part of the evening because then the movie started. Well, let me say how Luke and I. We enjoyed it. We really enjoyed it for what it was. I'm glad it was a new buddy, whatever. The guy, I didn't expect much. I like the Gotham feel. I thought the origin of who he how he became Clayface and the I thought that Nightclub scene was fucking famous.

3:24 I really, really enjoyed it. And then Dave walked up. After it was over and said that I go, Dave man. How was it? And he goes, Okay. It was watchable. Watchable. And then Tim texted me last night. I was at a wedding, and he texted me saying, I hope Clayface gets better because this movie fucking sucks. In capital letters. How far into the movie were you, Tim, when you saw it? I was maybe an hour into the movie and I was like. I was like, this movie fucking sucks. It's so boring. It's everybody. I hate everybody in the movie. Like, it's just, it, it was, it's just terrible. It's, There uh Uh the the good aspect is there are some neat There are some neat effects. There's a couple cool shots. Yeah. Uh you know, earmuffs for people who haven't seen it who don't want to be spoiled. You do get to see

4:25 Last chance. You do get to see the classic. Comic slash Animated series look of clayface. And I was like, that's cool. And it's over. That's even better. Oh, that was the best part was that you saw the animated clear face. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, you can see that anytime you want. Play the Lego Batman game. You can see it right now. That's what Luke said he looked like. You know, I'm saying an animated series, and Luke goes, That's what I said. He looked like the Lego Batman. I was like, oh, yeah, he did. I mean, yeah, other than that. You know how you got all Tim? No, no. Uh there was no Oh, well okay. There there I'll tell you, early on in the movie. when they're at the club. And he And he sees that girl across the way. And then also there's like that nip slip and you're like, oh, it was like, it was like you got that cheap thrill of like, that's not supposed to be there.

5:30 Then you realize, oh yeah, no, no, they they intentionally put the nipple in there. It's an intentional nipple. Oh yeah, it's it's not a nip slip, it's a nip hey. It's a nip. Look at this. I'm just shocked. I really thought that I don't know. I thought there's nothing. Like what were you expecting? Like this is just a a an origin story. That was that no one asked for. Yeah. Well, I I'll put it like this. It's it's kind of like the The Marvel villain movies. And it's sort of like that Cruella de Vil. I don't really care to watch a movie about classic villains, although I don't know if Clayface is really a classic villain. I don't really care to watch movies about villains, comic book villains that make them. The hero. Yeah, no, uh, you know, let the villain be a villain. It's like You know, I don't like Cruella de Vil. I don't need to see that Cruella de Vil is, you know, she grew up and she was abused and mistreated and then that.

6:37 Force her to want to make a gesture. That sounds very familiar on something else out there right now. It sounds a lot like a TV show that's on right now that also so. Oh, oh, are you talking about Crystal Lake? Yes. Yeah. I don't care. I don't want to know. If Jason's mother Is a psycho? Let her be a psycho. I don't need to see. I don't need to hear that maybe she ate. you know, bad oats and uh All of a sudden, turning the plot to Hot to Trot. Ate bad oats, and then she and then she becomes a villain. I don't care about that. And she became voiced by John Candy. Yeah. Oats! Bad oats. kill campers the word the words that the word that tim used is the exact word i when i i hobbled up the stairs which is another reason not to sit where you sit god damn it is up there we watched a trailer for like that asshole who climbs the north face of everest and that was me walking up to chris

7:43 I needed a sharpa where you sit. So I get up there, and the first word I use is: it was boring. It was really boring. Just like Tim said. And it's like every other movie, it's 20 minutes too long. I wasn't bored once. I was not. You said I'm shocked Dave thinks it's boring because the original Friday 13th is boring. Yeah, that original movie is boring as fuck. I think there's just a difference in the way people know it it like good directing and and screenwriting is all about pacing and timing. And sometimes people nail it and sometimes people don't. And they didn't in Clayface. Yeah, like if you think about movies, if you think about like The Shining. You could be like, man, this is fucking boring, but it's not because it's the pacing. The pacing is on the money. They know exactly how long you need to get. That sense of dread and to up the ante to when shit happens, you're like, all that was worth the payoff.

8:47 I don't think a lot of filmmakers know how to do that. They're apparently not this guy. Now whoever this was. The one thing I thought was funny, and I didn't think about it until afterwards. Okay. So the beginning of the movie. He gets his nomination for, I'm guessing, an Academy Award. They say they say Academy. And then You know, and then that night he's he's celebrating and then whoop, nip, slip, and then whoop slip the dip. And then he gets his face cut the next morning. Dick slip. So he uh So, and then they cut his face and he goes through the whole process of this, that, whatever, going to court. Losing all of his money. And all of that stuff, and then you see him watch the Academy Awards. He went through like Five years of legal proceedings. And it's only what, like six weeks before the between nominations and when the Academy Awards around there. Yeah, around there. So I'm like, I'm like, wow, that was expedited. You know, he was able to get, he was able to lose his entire life and career and everything in like a six week period, you know, from the day he got nominated to, you know, when he's watching SAD.

10:01 In his flop house in the narrows of Gotham. That's the Gotham legal system. That's why we must re-elect Harvey Dent. Did you like the Gotham feel, Ted? Did you think it had a Gotham feel? I didn't think it had one. Um no, I don't yeah, I agree with Dave. I don't think it had one because What are you guys missing? Well, I'll tell you what I'm missing. I'm missing the Gotham Field. Yeah. Unlike other Batman movies where, like, There are these sweeping shots of the streets and the cityscape and the city itself is a character. In almost all of the Batman movies, it's like that. This one, it was You could tell it was like shot on like a back lot somewhere. It was tightly. brained. You didn't really get to see the scope. You saw like the front of a building, but you didn't see like. No, there was a few skylines of of Gotham. Yeah, New York. Yeah. Like all of all of the other Batman movies you really got a feel for, that's got them. This.

11:06 All looked like it was like, okay, Dick Tracy just rapped. Let's film Clayface. You know, throw Clayface on the same senses as the Warren Beatty's movies. Like, so yeah, no, even that. It it wasn't I know that they d their their budget was likely much lower than Your average. Batman movie. Way, way, way, like, like a, like a percent. So, I get they're working with less. And also, with horror movies in general, you kind of want. You kind of you don't necessarily need this big epic feel. In that respect, you know, I don't fault them. I do fault them for making a shitty. Were you grossed out? Because people are supposed to be leaving. I can't watch. I'm going to throw up. Were you grossed out by anything, Tim? I don't think anybody left because they were grossed out. That's those are those that's the kind of like viral hype. Mm-hmm.

12:07 They say that, oh, people are offended. And then to make people say, oh, I'm going to go see. And they go see what was the big deal. It doesn't matter what the big deal was. They just got your ticket money, dummy. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that the studio comes up with. Let's say people are leaving. They're so they're they're it's like psycho. Like, you know, like you just you don't even know what you're gonna look at. And people are like, well, now I wanna see it. We guarantee at one point you're going to have to get up to P, P, P. It's like at the exorcist having, you know, putting a gurney with an oxygen tank in the lobby outside the theater, just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it works. And this was like the laziest attempt at that. I think the DC this This is more proof that DC has no idea what they're doing. movies. And They figure horror movies always make money. Horror movies have a crowd that is always going to show up. So this was like, let's make a superhero. horror movie will at least make money.

13:08 Which they may. People are not enjoying this. They don't know what they're grasping at straws. I mean, granted, i i it it it is a unique Um it is a unique approach to making Uh comic book. Like a You know, it did a whole I know that there are horror comics and there have been horror comic related movies, but has there been a horror comic? Man or horror superhero themed movie. That we can think of. Yeah, Blade. Yeah, true. Mm. More soplate too. I just think it's funny that. penguin. On HBO. was so good. That that hit every that you like you if you want your Gotham boxes ticked, ticked every single one of them. And you don't even need to mention Batman. I know you wanted them to mention Batman. I don't want to hear the words bat or man.

14:14 Tell me a good story. And they did that in the penguin. The penguin was such a monumental achievement. And then they just Throw this shit at the screen, and it, you know, let's see what happens. I was freaking bored. I started waiting for the guy. Loud eat his food because at least I was like, hmm, what is he having now? That's what interests me when I'm watching. He had a smorgasbord. I don't even know what he had there. Somehow he's making Somehow he's making the gum. He had a bag of something. That he was just, he would lean his head back and he would just dump it into his gaping maw from the bag. And you could hear it like a conveyor belt. Well there's there's a s there's a scene in this movie which I thought looked kind of very Sexual. was when he suffocated his buddy in his belly. But sometimes, oh, yeah, sometimes it looked like he was at belly height, looked like he was right in the groins. Yeah, when he when he when he was dead, he just sort of slopped down, yeah. When he died, his hands was like kind of like on his ass, and then he slid down. I was like, That doesn't look like that's when that's when the guy with no shoes started rubbing my foot.

15:31 It was like being in a men's room when somebody taps you underneath. You know what that means. Tappy Tappy. Tappy, tappy, sucky, sucky. Well, well, this is a will be a little miniature pit spockhorn in the beginning, Tim. I'm curious on how many. At a five and then Dave will get his ten popcorns for Are you going to do your reviews? Like your popcorns or are you gonna save it for your show? No, we we can do it now and then We can we can plug this show on that show with her Clayface. So the same two people that listen to both will say like, Yeah, I already heard that shit exactly. I made 10, do you think? Out of 5, I'm afraid. 1.6. Dave, I think I already know yours, I think. Yeah, because I do. I gave this a five, which is pretty. Steady rating because it was watchable. I've seen far worse things, but I gave it a 5 out of 10, which would be a 2.5 for me. And that's pretty generous, I think.

16:35 I think so. I think we gave it, what, 3.75? I liked it. I think it's weird for me. I think sometimes, and I hate to admit this, I have blinders on. I like what I like, and I don't care if it's, I don't know, boring or slow, or there's no story. Like, like the ending for me when he turned into the animated. Clayface was Maybe gave it a whole popcorn by itself just for that one moment, even if it was like seconds. That's done. I didn't even care about that. Not at all. I wanted that. I wanted to see. The other thing that I thought was kind of dumb about this movie, I think some of the clay. Special effects were good. That's probably why I gave it some credit, especially when it was like him smearing his face. It's stuff that was in the trailer. Yeah. The second half of this movie, that nightclub scene you're talking about? He didn't do that. He just, he was just Mr. Presto Changeo face change guy. And I was like, and at first I was like, well, what about the fucking clothes?

17:36 I think your wife was like, the clothes were part of his skin. He can make the skin look like the clothes. That's what I thought. Like, if he if he sees a person, if he sees Mr. Bean walking down the road, he sees what he's wearing. He can change into what he sees that guy wearing. Right. That's what I think. At that point, it stopped being. clay effect. Clay fit. It would have been neat if he went like and like morphed from one person to the other. That is true. But in the snap of a finger, he went from. You know, the guy in the white suit, who, and who knows who any of these idiots are? There was a tall thug, there was a guy in a white suit thug, there was a guy that had like the flat top haircut from Dick Tracy. See, there it is. Yeah. And in a snap of a finger, he was that person. I'm like, I'm missing the Clayface part of Clayface. I can't argue that. I wanted to see more morphing. Like, what is that stupid child book on the cover? There's a kid and then and then there's like eight faces and they change into an animal.

18:38 Animorphs. Yeah, yeah. It's like a pop. Yeah. Like, I wanted to see them change from something into something else. David's right. I think that would have hated that. Yeah. That is true. It seems right like we're turning about him being boring. All that stuff that Tim has made a good point at the time. Was off with the with the with the lawsuit and all that things. All you needed to know that he was upset was that he was a really famous actor and his face was his money maker. And it got disfigured and his agent dropped him in Hollywood, dumped him because He was now a disfigured you know. It has been. Yeah. I don't care about the lawsuit. They wasted a lot of time in this movie when it could have been like. Man gets man is famous. Man gets his face cut. Man is not famous. Man is pissed off. Loses everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's all. Everything you guys are saying. Makes sense. They were, they were basically, they were trying.

19:43 Even though he turns into a monster, they were trying to say he's not really a monster. He was pushed over the edge. And I'm like, okay, I push him over this, but he can still be a fucking monster. You know. Fucking mouthful ship. That Speaking about Batman villains, back to best of fives. Um, we're doing, you know, Tim's going to sit in there and comment on if we're if we're right or wrong. of who we picked as people portraying Batman villains from anything out there. He can critique us. Yes, Tim. You the stupid. The stupid. The stupid. If you have any, yeah. And if we bring any up, you know, if you, you know, if you want to do, if you have like your top one. You can talk whenever you like, even if it's bad. The clock king, whoever that guy was. But do you know what's weird? Is they I'm looking at what I did, you know, I'm like, do you know how many this do you know how many? Villains the Batman Adam West show had. A lot. 37. I saw. Was it really? Everyone I saw is like from the old show. Oh, show. Oh, I found the full list and it was like, here's a deep dive on 37.

20:53 Yeah. Batman villains. I was amazed. Kinkeda. Alright Luke, who's going first, second, third? Is it is it the nameless? You and then me and then Date. you no i'm first then they and then you and then dave all right Say it. All right, Tim. Get ready to make fun of everything. My number one's the guy who played Clayfleets. No, I'm kidding. That actor. I told Chris as soon as it was over, if it ever happens and it will never happen, some biopic of the police or sting. This guy plays Sting. He looks exactly like him at times. Oh, yeah, yeah. I do that. My number five. was mentioned just earlier in this whole conversation. Dick Tracy. Um As Dave is Dave is totally right. Colin Farrell as the penguin. Fucking rock. Tim, did you see the show or no? I forget. I've gotten a few episodes in.

21:56 I'm like Halfway through like the fourth episode. There's something about, I love Colin Farrell. He's great. And anything this man does. And him, unrecognizable sometimes as the penguin is just fucking fantastic. And I a huge reason why I liked the Batman films is because I He was a great horror of the Batman. Yes. Yeah. I recently watched The Matt Reeves Batman. Um, and I, and he's the best part. And I remember even in the trailer for that, even though I don't necessarily like that movie. Meaning that scene where He's where they're they're driving their cars around, speeding around. And he's like, I got you. I love that. I think that is one of the greatest. Yeah. scenes in any of the Batman movies. I got you. I love that.

22:57 Was that T V show the after the movie? Yeah. And Boiler, he's he's still alive, right? penguin in the on the show? I forget. Yeah, I heard they're making a season two, so it would be not a whole lot happening. I was going to say, I mean, he's a big, a big draw. So he's, he's this, this movie, this. His portrayal of the penguin is fantastic. He is. Joe! And then there's then a look on his face. Oh fuck. He sounds like he's coming in his best. Yeah. Great scene. Great scene. Great scene. Bracing. That's for number five. Colin Farrell as the Penguin. Me? Luke?

24:00 Your ta Dave always says, And looks number five, it's the same. Is it? No, is it no since okay, sure, okay. Modern 5, yes. You don't like this actor. I know exactly. So you just said that. Tim, can you guess it? As you just said, I like this actor. I know exactly who it is. And let's see. Batman, you don't like this actor. Batman villain. Uh Dave likes him. You like him. I get proud with them. Corey Feldman. Good buddy. Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. Oh, I hate Tom Hardy. Oh you do? Yeah, I don't like him. Okay. Him is the one who likes Time Hardy, huh? I don't mind Tom Hardy. He's he's, I don't, I don't like wake up in the morning saying, I'm going to see that Tom Hardy movie. And it seems like I'm hard for Tom Hardy. Yeah. So I don't care. Yeah, I mean

25:00 Oh, that that but that opening scene from From Dark Knight. Rises is great. Like, oh, oh, what a lovely, lovely. And that scene where he's like, oh, what a lovely, lovely singing voice. What a beautiful singing voice. Tim should have been Bane. Yeah. I mean, I like him as Bane. But yeah, when it comes to him in general, he's 50-50. He's not he's not like the actor that I that I like seek out to go see all those movies. But Yeah, he I thought I thought he I thought he did a good bane. think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. By then it was nothing to me but brighten. The shadows betray you because they belong to me.

26:13 Sounds a little like foghorn leghorn. Say, son. Yeah. He was okay. He was he was okay. That yeah, I mean in that in that movie. I don't know. It's hard to talk about the Dark Knight Rises and like, because there are parts of it that are like, that's awesome. And there's parts of it like, eh, is Clayface showing again? Um So That yeah, that's a movie that I over when when it's over and done with, it's a satisfying Yeah. Uh it's you know, it it's it wraps up the trilogy nicely, but Yeah, you kinda wanted a little more, I guess, which is which is hard to hard really hard to ask. What? What's that? One year for Halloween, I dressed up as Ben. Oh, Christ. You were. You and Jack went out, and you were, yeah, it was young as shit. Yeah, I think I have a picture of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were so cute then. You were, you were, you were an adorable villain. Now we accepted.

27:20 If you dress like Bay now, people would be scared shitless. Yeah, that is true. He walked up to Dave. He goes, I will break you. I say I say I say darkness. Dave, what's your five? What's your problem with Tom Hardy? I just, I don't know. I don't, it's, it's, I don't know. I just, he's okay. He's great sometimes. I just didn't like him as Bane. I didn't fucking like him as I wanted Mad Max. So that's another podcast. Oh, that's what it is. It's the Mad Max thing. Yet you wear that hat. You wear that Mad Max hat. I will say this, Tim. I wear that hat a lot. I love that. Isn't that a great hat? It's a fantastic hat. I have my Mad Max backpack. I keep. close by in it. Yeah, keep a little gas leaf. You never know. Days number five. Hey, I completely and 100% misunderstood. the assignment here. So I can do what you're doing or I can just do what I did. Well, coming from you, you probably just do what you did. Well, this is what I did. This is what I thought you said that we were doing. This is why it was so hard.

28:27 In fact Yeah. I will say this. The way I did it anyway. This is the hardest list I've ever had to make for one of these shows. You asked me before we started recording. Can we do 10? I'm like, no. Five only. Gotta be five. ones that you gotta pick. Yeah. And I'll abide to that. But I That's what, I mean, I have a list. You should see how long my list is because I thought what you said we were doing was we were taking an actor who played a Batman villain and then picking their best movie. Ooh. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? This is my dave smart. I'm not. I'm stupid. Well, no, I got it wrong. That's the opposite of smart. Damn, yeah. I guess I'll just do what I did. I mean, my list is insane. It's the greatest movies of all time. So, like, I can't. You know what I mean? I can't like I had such a hard time. coming up with stuff. So I guess I'll just do my own list. If that's okay with you, that is perfectly. He's going to list his top top 10 Avengers because what I did, I did it based on their.

29:37 Performance as the villain. As the villain. That's when I say actors you played villains in Venom roles. I meant people who were in a bad movie as the villains. And we were picking. Batman movie. That's what you're doing, right? Like, yeah, like, or Batman, whatever. Like, they had to play a villain in anything Batman. Yeah, I picked other things. That's okay. Did you pick the whole movie? Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, I'll tell you what my number five is. My number five. Because Mark Hamill is the voice of the Joker. My number five is the Empire Strikes Back. I'm not saying it's a bad choice. I mean, Jesus Christ. The, the, the, really, like my second favorite all-time movie is number five on this list how bad I got this wrong. Yeah. Wow, what an ending. Who'da thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father? Thank you, Mr. Pull the Picture for me.

30:40 Yeah, I I really got this wrong, so. say I'm smart. I'm I'm uh so in a way there's two Podcast episodes on the same episode. Three: Hiss of Popcorn, our Batman Villain. And Dave's best agonist. Yeah, whatever the hell Dave's doing. I thought that's why I was like, can we do 10? Because I can't pick between these movies. I think you understand that. Like, you, yeah. I was like, no, just pick five. Villains. And I will do Philly's final count. Steve Carlton. Number 32. All right, I uh I mean I missed I messed this up big time, but I'm just gonna stick with I mean I hate Mark Hamill in anything but Star Wars. But It is, you know, the second greatest movie of all time. So I don't know. I put it at five just because I don't like Mark Hamill. Do you dislike Mark Hamill? Just kind of like being as a person you you were there do a like personal interaction is that like like or is he just like

31:47 Is it just one of those guys where when he was on screen, you're just like, fuck that guy? Yeah, I just say, I mean, he's good, he's good in Star Wars doing what he's doing. I don't ever want to see him do anything else. You know, people get type cast. I think sometimes it's for a reason. He's in every Mike Flanagan thing, and I watch everyone, and I'm like, when's Mark? Fucking Hamill going to pop up. Oh, shit, here he comes. And, you know, the dumb voice. And everybody's like, oh, he's such a great voice actor. It's the same voice for everything. Every voice he does is the Joker. You know, like, shut the fuck up. I am so tired of Mark Hamill. But that the Clayface was a Mike Flanagan. something or other. Oh, yeah. And I was glad. You're like, finally, the chain is broken. Yeah. So, my number five on my alternate list is Mark Hamill, the Joker appearing in. the Empire Strikes Back. And I'm Seinfeld in character, but a close talker. Alright, who's is it me now?

32:49 Yeah. Yeah, my number four. is I guarantee you higher up on a lot of people's lists. But his performance. was fantastic. It was Heath Ledger as the Joker. I know people love him higher up on their list. He was Like a different jugger than I was used to, I guess. But goddamn, he fucking he knocked it. And I know, Tim, you're a huge Heath fan, right? I, yeah, I mean, the dark knight. is The gold standard for serious comic book movies. Um, yeah, he is he's unbelievable in that it, it, it's It is tragic that that was like his. It wasn't really his final performance, but it was his. Almost a survival performance. And for it to be is so good and

33:51 I know even even before he died. There are I I know He, you know, you talk about how great that guy was in in the movies that he the few serious, serious roles he did. Before he died, you saw like what was coming and then. We never got that. So it's hard to, over the last 20 or so years now. How many Heath Ledger? Movies we've been kind of robbed. That's seeing. And also. In seeing him, he was supposed to show up again in Dark Knight Rises. Yeah. I from what I understand in that scene with the scarecrow, the, the, the, the, Tribunal, I guess. He didn't die during this. He died when it was done being filmed. Yeah, he was. But he died before it was released. He died a few weeks before it came out. I thought there were things that. There were times in the Dark Knight where there was a body double, though. It might have been from reshoots. They they I mean they're It's it's possible. Uh

34:54 There's so much, there's so much stuff, legend stuff. That's come out. After the fact of the Dark Knight, where they sort of builds up his legend. I don't know how much of it's true. Like there's different things like like when he What is As the nurse, and he's hitting the button and it doesn't go off. And it was like, well, that wasn't supposed to do that. I'm like, ah, I mean, that's a big explosion, I'm sure. I'm sure they that That was all planned. I'm sure that that was shot to to how it was supposed to be. That's that's point number four. Well, you can't argue with that. I mean, it's Legendary. I'm curious if that's your number four. What could your number three possibly be? One. I want my phone call. How many of your friends? You would just enjoy it.

36:05 You killed six of my friends. Yeah. He's like, wow. He's fantastic. He's fantastic. Oscar too. Yes, he's yeah, yeah. There's that scene. There's the scene where he sits down next to Harvey Denn at the hospital. He's like, hi. Yeah, there's so he has so many great moments. Like that, that movie. I mean, if you were to just take his scenes and just like the genius moments, you can put a reel together of like 30 minutes. Like, one of my favorite scenes is the is that whole pencil scene. That fucking pencil scene. The first time you see that. It may depend on disappear. It's like, holy shit, that was fucking fantastic, you know? That's a good one. What you're for. But you don't like the Batman in this. I don't like Christian Bale. I don't like Tom Hardy. Don't judge me for what I don't like. I like Clayface a little bit. Clayface. Exactly. What's your number four?

37:07 Modern before, this might be on your list. Okay. I'm listening. Michelle Pfeiffer. Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Yeah, yeah. Tim, calm down, Tim. Tim, keep it in your pants. Why? Having a habit of having it, having a. She was great at at at Catwomans. She was. There's been Maybe like four or five Catwomans, I think. She is one of the best ones out there, yes. I'm not arguing. She is fan. And it's Michelle Pfeiffer for print out loud. And like Tim said, oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah Okay. Pretty little like. Yeah. I just love a big strong man who's not afraid to show it with someone half his size. Be gentle, it's my first time. You make it so easy, don't you? Always waiting for some bad man to save you.

38:39 That's how I leave a room. Backflips all the way out. All those backflips all the way out. Excellent toys, buddy. Do you feel I've heard doing the backflips? No. No, that was that was Jaggie Chan wearing that outfit. All right. Mm-hmm. Number four on his own list. On my own list, yeah. Um well I went with the Jared Leto As the Joker, but no one would pick that Joker as like the best performance. But because I misunderstood the assignment. My number four is Jared Leto in Fight Club. This is why I couldn't do this. It's like the it's like all my favorite movies. It's like the greatest movies of all time. So yeah, I mean, he's he's in he's in a mud. He barely has any lines. The most famous scene is when Ed Norton beats the shit out of him. Like, that's that's like the thing that people remember him for.

39:45 Where'd you go, cycle boy? I like destroying something beautiful. him to a fucking hospital. That's my number four: Fight Club. This is my list is great, and it's also the worst one. No, we knew. This tells you what Dave loves, like movies that he did. You explain it? I thought I did. I thought I did. The Batman villains means you picked the actor actress who played a villain in the Batman film. That's it. That's what I say. I didn't say, hey, pick something else that they were in. Well, I texted it's it's however it was worded. I took it. The wrong way. Cause I texted you again yesterday. I made the list yesterday and I was like, uh, So we're doing Movies that Batman villains are in. And you went, Yup. So that can be. I can see why that means what they think. That can mean what you mean. Sam, am I right? It can mean both things, right?

40:47 They can well it's like the highlighter, it can mean only one, but Yeah, I didn't really, yeah. Bet movies are matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Is it me again? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. My number is three. On the list, that was done the correct way. My number three, and I I this has to be on someone's list. I think Jim Carrey's Riddler is fantastic. Cause it's exactly what I wanted. It's exactly. Maybe he would have been a great joker. I don't know. But I think Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face, which might be on a list for anybody else. I don't know. Did they really seem too facey? He's seen more Comical and jokery, and and I think Jim Carrey is Riddler, when he's doing his shit, it's Jim Carrey doing his shit. He's the riddler in every fucking thing he's in. Yeah, really. Yeah, he's Jim Carrey. That's who he always is.

42:12 Looking at night. It was such an ace ventura thing. Yes, it was. It definitely was. And then he was shocking at night. Yeah, his voice kind of like, what Batman coming for you? It sounded like the narrator for the Adam West series. You know what I mean? Hello, Nicole Kidman. May I ask you a question? People don't like th this movie. No, they don't. I love that. So, I mean, you have to go into it with a certain mindset. My big issue with this is. Schumacher apparently. decided that Uh the Batman Sixty series. Was the be-all, end-all, the definitive Batman.

43:16 And so both of his movies are so. And every and every villain is the fucking Joker. They're all these like crazy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah guys. And I'm like, All right, the you know, the Riddler is not the joker. Two-Face is not the joker. Yeah. Fucking Mr. Freeze is not the joker. Uh, you know, Drew Barrymore and the other girl, or not the Jokers, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I well I remember back back when this came out in in seeing Drew Barrymore back, I'm like, wow. For sexual arousal. Yeah, whenever I plop down my, for my hookers, I'm like, all right, here you go. All right, get ready. Yeah, but Jim did he just doing Jim Carrey. He just he's just being himself wearing the the the question mark outfit. He's just Jim Carrey. Ev every villain in those they they're

44:20 Every ounce of dialogue they deliver is never under a scream. They're all loud and full of energy and obnoxious. Nobody ever has like a subtle moment in any of these movies. I will say I will take a page out of Tommy Lee Jones's notebook. when it comes to me just describing The villains in all of these movies is I cannot abide by their buffoonery. I love that story. I cannot abide by your buffoonery. Put that gun down. I don't care. I don't care. We he's actually I don't know, there's a new show on called the Lowdown With Ethan Hawk, which is it's on FX. It's a cool show. But the second season, Tommy Lee Jones is on as his dad. I thought he was old back then. He's old man. He is old. Yeah, he was 27 years old when he made Batman Forever. I was like, he's old, but he's still great. He's a fantastic actor.

45:24 He is one person I would never want to Meet. Yeah. I would never want to meet him. I would never want to sit at a table with him for dinner. I don't want to sit next to him on a train. I don't want to do it, I don't want to be around that guy. He'd be he would be no fun whatsoever. Yeah, yeah. Is it you? It's me. You're number three. Man number three. Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson. From what? What is this movie? From The Shining? From Batman. Oh. From Cuckoo's Nest? You did it wrong. It's The Shining. Yeah. Yeah, you did the list wrong. If you had to pick Jack's best film, The Shiny. But since we did it the way that I want it to be done, I'm really sorry. both accounts. So yeah, I can't argue that. Um Jack Nicholson is a fantastic choice, buddy, as as the the

46:30 I'm not going to. And Tim's right. Everybody else afterwards was like, shit, we have to do this. Like this takes a lot of energy. And he was kinda old then. You know, he was uh he's probably what fifty when he made that? Was he? Okay, he wasn't that old. Cause I'm older than that now and I don't want to think of myself as being really old. Yeah, the the the the jo the Batman's Joker is like a young man. What are you laughing at? I like them already. Never rub enough. This is a compilation of all his laughing. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. I'm shocked, like, Jack Nicholson back then was it was like considered like a I don't know, like a serious, like fantastic actor that took this role. Like Yeah, it's so cool then. Like Tommy Lee Jones and and Jack Tim like are maybe like the same kinda like

47:33 personalities, but Jack I think looked like he had fun. Yeah. You know, he was when they made that movie, he was 51 years old when they filmed. That man. Wow. Well, from all the stories that we were always told, whether they're true or not, he was shrewd in that. Not only did he take the money for the, um Much of a call to play the role, but he either got part of the profits or part of the toy. Profits because he was like, like he made some kind of shrewd deal that made him a much richer man. So he got. He was top billing. Yeah, he probably had likeness rights. Yeah. It's kind of like what's it? Christopher Lee. had likeness rights for His for current Count Dooku. For Star Wars. So anytime anything is made with Count Dooku. with his face on it, his estate gets like, you know. And so Nicholson is probably still raking in because every time that there's a hot toys figure or

48:37 This that or whatever. It's the way to do it. He was smart like before people were kind of doing that kind of stuff. You imagine if like Harrison Ford had done that when he was in Star Wars, like anything that's ever made from this or an Indiana Jones, if of my face, I want a cut of it. He'd be richer than than David Crockett. Yeah. Hell yeah. But so he he didn't get any money from his Best been The Harris Aford face. on that figure is always like it's like a fat Hansolo with that with that giant head yeah that was that was the that was the loophole he I have liked this right like does that look like you no all right no You were getting that money, Harry. I like that. What would you have him sign? To Jack? Yeah. Either shining or Batman and Batman. Yeah. If I had if I had the opportunity to meet him, we have the Batman poster. I do. I would have him go just sign as big as you fucking want on that day. My bucket list action figures.

49:40 Well I don't think that's going to happen. So you don't worry about it. He's not going to be any convention soon. I mean, he's been retired for a long time and every once in a while you see pictures of him. Shirtless. He is swimming off of some boat in the You know, some Polynesian island or something. And it's like, look at this guy. He gives zero fucks. Yep. Zero zero facts. All right, Dave's were three. Days three lists that he said that he made. I might do this from now on. If you come up with a list and you're like, I don't really want to do it, I'm just going to make my own list. Start striking. Steve, we're going to do the top five, you know, Superman something or other, some shit you care about. And I'll be like, okay. And then when I come, it's like, I have my top five peanut butters. Yes. Number five, strawberry pop-tart. Number one, Jiff. Always Jiff. Always Jiff. Alright, well my number three on my adulterated list He voiced

50:42 penguin In some shit somewhere, some cartoon. Like, that's the thing. I have a full list. I'll show you my list then. My list is. is vast. But at some point, Wayne Knight. Voiced the penguin in something. So, mind number three. Is the TV series Seinfeld? Let me ask you something. What do you do for a living, Newman? I'm a United States postal worker. Aren't those the guys that always go crazy and come back with a gun and shoot everybody? Sometimes. Why is that? Because the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. There's never a let up. It's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more and more. And you've got to get it out. And the more you get out, the more it keeps coming in. And then the more. I can't read a breaks and publish his clearing house now. All right, all right, all right. Just take the records, they're in the bedroom. Take them, take anything you want. Fucking great. Yeah, I don't know. He even wants to put Seinfeld on his list. He loves this show so much. He puts everything that he wants to put Seinfeld on, he's going to do it. This list was too hard to make. I already, like, I have for Nicholson, I have The Shining. The Shining is an honorable mention on my list. That shouldn't exist. That is right. That is how hard this list was to make. So this is why I was texting you: like, can I do 10?

52:08 I could do fucking 25. You know. I I fucked up. I'm sorry. Next. What was I'm curious? What was was it the Brave and the Bold? Like, what did Wayne Knight, which cartoon did he voice? Cause I'm curious now. I can't remember. I had, I, I did a lot of research yesterday because it was fun. It was fun to do, honestly. There were people on my list that I had no idea had any connection with Batman whatsoever. You know, they're on there. It was some. incantation of that Batman animated series that Ran, you know, for quite a long time, and then they brought it back. And I, I, I, I mean, Lucas, the best googler I know, he could find a few. Where's Terry Lugan? Who is it? He played the hard. The the penguin and the Harley Quinn show. The one with Kaley Cuoco? Oh, it wasn't even a voice. It was him. No, he voiced it. Because it's animated cartoon show. And it's rated R, too, which is fantastic. So Penny from Big Bang was Harley Quinn or Harley Quinn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't even know that was a thing. I just saw that he voiced it and I was like, well, that's fucking up my list. Yeah, they put Seinfeld on my list. Wait, I make a list and I put Seinfeld on it. The shining is out.

53:29 New rule. Every list that we make from now on, Dave has to put in the sign field somewhere on the top five lists. The best top Supermans, whenever that happens, they'll have sci-fi on because there's a statue of Superman. Right. In the background. So that's right. All right. Is your two? Mine number two. Has already been been said. Michelle Pfeiffer. And no, there's no way. Um Is I think I just love her so much. And Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman. I loved. Her performance as Catwoman. And I just love her. And she was great. If I had a choice between Halle they're they're both hot, Halle Berry and and uh I'm sure but pick a catwoman, it's her or the way. So you pick her performance as Catwoman, but that's really Yeah. Batman Robin is Batman Robin. I think that's the worst Batman movie, right? Do you like that movie? I hate Batman Returns. Batman Returns? Batman Returns.

54:33 I enjoy it, I think, because it has Keaton in it. I am a Keaton Batman fan, and it's not the best. It's not as good as the first one. Yeah, out of the two, no, it's not the best one. But her addition is. Catwoman Who I only knew probably from the Adam West. shit and the animated stuff. Like I loved her family returns is a Christmas movie. Yes, it is. I really liked her performance, yeah. I I really liked okay, I was just curious because I like most people, if I was gonna watch those, Batman Returns is a skipper for me, but maybe I'm in the minor minority. It's not the best. All those all those movies are problematic. There's there's there's there's you there's an issue. A glaring issue with all of them. You know, and that one, I remember going to see that as a kid in the theater opening weekend. And coming out thinking, what the hell was that? It's a movie that I've reassessed over the years because it is Tim Burton and it does have his unique stamp on it.

55:38 When you're I guess I was 14 when that came out. And I just, I just didn't, I really didn't get it. Yeah. But I've I'm a little I'm a little more accepting of it today than I was, you know. All those many years ago. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it in while maybe I'll give it another shot. Maybe I would like it more now as a die oh guy you know they showed that i saw that in the theater They showed it in the theater about a year ago. I remember going and sitting. watching it in the on the big screen. I was the only one in the damn theater. No one else came to see it. Was just me. Well, that's the thing is that whenever they release the old movies, it's always Batman, which is great. I'll see that at any time. But yeah, I wish sometimes I could catch the sequels, you know, rather than the original one. Yeah, that's that's when it comes to those repertoire films. That's kind of what both, I mean, I get it. They want people to come to the thing. And you know, yeah, so they're not gonna they're not gonna

56:40 People aren't going to rush out to see Ghostbusters 2 on the big screen. So they would show Ghostbusters every. Every six months, Ghostbusters, but it's back on the big screen for the first time in three weeks. Ghostbusters. In three weeks. Come and see Raiders of the Lost Ark again. No, we're not going to show the. The third one. No, we're going to show the first one. Yeah, I feel the same way. If they, like, Raiders always go see it, but if it was like, if they showed Last Crusade, I'd be like, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now we're talking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Regal, Regal does do a better job of that. I mean, they do still have the standards, but You know, but they will. Throw in a curveball every once in a while. Like, ah, what is this? Zambia too? Well, that's the thing that's the thing is that just last Sunday, Luke and I went to a regal. drove like 40 minutes away for one because they had the first Elm Street. Like shit is and then after that it was part three, Dream Warriors. And I was like, oh, I wish it wasn't a workout. You know, between the two, I would have gone to see Dream Warriors. Three is my besides the original, it's this when you see Freddy for the first time, three is my favorite Elm Street.

57:56 Dawkins' favorite elsewhere, too. Tim's just sitting there with his Dawkin t-shirt with his pants down. But yeah, I do like there's the show on Halloween at the Regal, Halloween 3. No one shows Halloween 3. Yeah, are you going to go? You should go. Halloween 3 is so good. Maybe. I don't know. It's someone Halloween. That's Season of the Witch, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The standalone. anthology that they wanted to do, but never did. They did one. That's not an anthology. It's just a movie. Yeah. So my number two is is so favorite as Catwoman. You told me one time that James Gunn said Tim Burns Batman is boring. He just. James fucking Gunn. Don't get Dave sorry. He just announced like a month ago or so that he thinks Tim Burton's Batman is boring. And he said that the score is horrible. It's horrible. Yeah, are you serious? I swear to God, David. Oh my God, I hate Clayface even more now. Fuck this guy.

59:00 Yeah. Oh my god. Why would even if you thought that, why would you say that in an of all like that means a lot to people? The version of that means still people. But why would you why would you trash any fellow directors? Movie or Danny Elfman's score. It's like, why would what's the point of you doing that? Other than to make Headlines that people go, Whoa, we better go see Clayface because if he thinks that's boring, this must be something else. Fuck that guy. Top five reasons why we hate James Gunn Gal. I mean, what a shitty thing to do. Oh yeah. I was I was pissed. I was like, I was pissed.'Cause you like James Gunn. I I enjoy some of his stuff, but when I saw that, I was like, oh, he just went down a criticize Danny Elfman. Yeah. You're a genius. What delicate genius did the score for Clayface? Because I don't know. It's awesome. It's it's it's memorable. It's so good. It's so fucking good. It's one of the greatest pieces of. Of film music ever written. But, you know, let's trash it. So, you know, that score is better than the Superman score? No, John Williams' Superman is so great. But then Danny Elfman's Batman.

1:00:10 So great for being Batman. Like, I don't want John Williams to do Batman. Danny Elfman should do. It's gotta be edg it's gotta be edgier. It's gotta have some feel. That Superman's a Boy Scout and he's fucking boring. Batman has the edge. So I like he's called boring. I'm so upset. Well, you know what? I'm not. I like you, Batman. I'm not saying that, but it's like the weapon boring. We're in the boring. I wish Riggs would do something in one of these movies. All he does is sit around and comb his hair and smoke. Do you know what I've been seeing? Do you know what I've been seeing? You guys see this. Do you know the AI shit? Do you know how they'd have that famous stepbrothers scene? Yeah. I saw what Riggs and Murtaugh won, and I was fucking dying. I saw it too. It was. It's Jesus Christ. And was there a Batman She made one? Yeah, and they sound. Kills me. It sounds like fucking Mel Gibson doing Martin Riggs. It's insane. Velociraptors. We're to come best friends. And it's in his. Riggs Australian ish accent. I'm like, holy shit.

1:01:12 Anyway, okay, I'm sorry. You went on a little trip to Lethal Weapon Island there, didn't you? Would you like to spend Christmas a lethal weapon island? Where are we at? Who's Dave? Are you next now? Mike. Luke 2. Yeah. My most favorite. All right. Year 2 Batman villain played by an actor who's in another movie that Dave likes a lot. Go. Mine number two. is another joker. Go ahead. Heath Ledger. Okay. Well they said he ledger rather than Jared Leto. At all. This is the only time I'll defend. Barry Keegan's my favorite. Yeah, Barry Keegan for that scene. No one should be defending Jared Leto because he's a piece of shit scumbag. Bye. didn't mind his Joker as much as everybody else did. It was there like it was I I there people were burying him for that. I mean, hopefully they bury him now. Yeah, I I d I didn't think it was that bad.

1:02:19 My issue with the with his Joker isn't necessarily with him. It's they they they filmed all these scenes with the Joker for Suicide Squad and then didn't use them. And it would have made the character a little more interesting. I don't know. I mean, some people would have like. Really, because I know one of the scenes was him like. Backs back slapping. Margot Robbie and stuff. So, like things like that might have. be viewed a little more partially. There were so many scenes that they shot that they didn't use for that movie. And I didn't even like the Suicide Squad movie. I thought that movie was kind of. Was that the movie that kind of started Jared Leto like? Every movie he's end bombing, like whatever, Tron, like. Suicide Swire. He's in something else that was a huge franchise that bought Blade Runner. Tron? Blade Runner. Was he in Tron? And was he in Venom? He's in Tron and Blade Runner. And uh he sees uh the fucking

1:03:22 Um, Vampire from Spider-Man. What's his name? Uh, Morbius. Oh, Morbius, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah. He just had these these big franchises like bombing, bombing, bombing, bombing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I liked I actually I did like that a lot, so Who's your favorite joker? I don't know. We're doing best of five now. See, he's doing his own list. I'm doing my own list. Tim doesn't even have a list. Uh days number two. This show is a fucking it's all over it's all over the place. Alright, my number two. And now this one at least I I have a real reason for this. So doing the research, you know, digging deep. And we all know. Head nights. Involvement with the super friends cartoon, yes, meanwhile, meanwhile, you know, like all that shit. So there's all that, but I did not know. In doing this research, that at times during the run of that, he voiced.

1:04:25 The penguin. The Riddler and Mr. Freeze. Riddle me this. I had no idea either. I didn't either. But That makes uh uh my number Two tattered shack. I knew that was going to be your number two because. You were waiting. Because uh I misunderstood the assignment, but fuck it, I don't care. What are we waiting for these guys? Hey Whitey, where's your hat? Let's go while we're young. You might, sir. Try to tee off. I bet you slice into the woods a hundred bucks. Gambling is illegal at Bushwood, sir, and I never slice.

1:05:30 Damn it! Yeah. So, yeah. I didn't know he I know he did the voiceover stuff, but I didn't know he did those characters. I didn't know he voiced a lot of villains on that old cartoon. He was busy before Cosmic Cow. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. So, Caddy said, I mean, it was really like. Everything is fantastic. So I just did Caddyshack especially because he had more involvement. Than some of these other people on my list. Like, he did three different characters. I couldn't find anybody else that did something like that. So my number two is Caddyshack. Excellent choice for a wrong list. Okay, who's next? Here is Ezamina. Is it back to me? You keep making Dave feel bad. No, I'm not. I am kidding. He is not making me feel bad. I don't think I'm bad. What do you think they feel about Dave you smell? Oh, now I feel terrible. I feel terrible. Alright, my number one villain.

1:06:34 Portrayed by a certain actor was already said, and it's the original Jack Nicholson. And the Joker. That's my Batman. I know people like Heath Ledger. I just I liked He had the Cesar Romero and the Comigo and his Jack Jack Nicholson. He just had I don't know, I guess eighty nine. Was it 16, I guess, around there? It is Batman, seeing Batman in a theater where you couldn't buy tickets on online. You couldn't pick your seat. You had to wait in a fucking line. It was sold out. Fuck, you had to wait. Two and a half, three hours later to get in line again, or whatever. And it was just. Batman was a huge deal being released back in that time. Hunt. Time. It was, it was like it was. Was it huge back in then? Gigantic. It was like the biggest movie or whatever. It was like 89 was the best year, kind of, for like. movies back in the day. I remember riding my bike. Over to uh If I recall, I rode my bike over to the movie theater.

1:07:35 I didn't even lock my bike up. I parked it right on the bucket. No, I'd like, like, literally, it was like I leaned it up against the pole outside the box office, went in, bought my ticket for May Cody. Went in. watched the movie came out asked may cody how do you how you know By name, or how does one get a poster? And she's like, she basically was like, get out of here, kid. You bother me. And if I, if I recall, this may have been the same day. My mom worked at Planned Parenthood across the way, that brick building over on the other side of the street. And so I rode my bike over there just to say hi to my mom. And I think that was the day. I think she told me. That the Guitar player for Def Leppard died. I'll have to double check the dates on that. But I seem to remember going over there and her saying, How'd you hear about, you know? Steve Clark from Def Leppard. I go, no, mom, what? And uh,

1:08:38 Let me let me but only a story from Tim could involve yeah, no, no, that that was not the same time because he died in 91, so yeah, that was that was Def Leppard and Planned Parenthood, yeah. In the same sentence, son, are you here to find out where you can abort your baby? No, no, would you like a condom for what I'll tell you later. Just take it away. She gives me one of those little fun condoms. Those little pinky condoms. This is a great jack panel, it's right there, right? And then Bob just goes over the cliff and uh. Um Sinnis stickers, doesn't he? He's the he's the um the cook. The cook, yeah. It's sea slickers, yeah.

1:09:41 This thing I need. I didn't start working in the theater till maybe like early 90s and whatever. I didn't work during Batman time, I don't think. So I never got a poster, but then The old boss. years later Gave me, she had the original bass symbol says Nicholson Keaton poster, and I have that. And that means a lot because it's one of my favorite films. I wish Mo Canza cons. He does. He did a few. Areas here and there. Oh, hell yeah. And you could not escape. That no, that maniac it was called, yeah, yeah, in 1989. Because if it wasn't on a cereal box, a commercial for McDonald's, or the Bat Dance Prince video being on every hour on the hour, you could not escape. I had t-shirts of Keaton on it back in the day. I had the Keaton Stanley. Did you have it? No, I wish I did, man. Closest that comes to Batman. Be Phantom Menace, I think, in terms of just like Just a literal canvas.

1:10:45 Everywhere you went. Yeah, billboards, signs, every magazine had Batman somewhere in the book. There's an ad for a TV. Yeah, you had MTV with the videos. Uh yeah, it was that that year it was all Batman and Ghostbusters 2 with the ghost. Mina. Making the two simple. That was. That was the symbolism of that entire summer was. Batman with And least the weapon too? I mean, yeah. But then Tim please. It's lethal. The one armed drummer losing his arm, okay? And I'll watch part two. I do worry about him. That's my number one. After you saw this, did you say? I like this better than Superman. Not at all. Luke is still trying to convert you. He still tries to, you know, what's better, Senior Man or Batman. And we'll always know.

1:11:46 Put a bullet against Christopher Reeves' head, but ding, bounces off. Mike Eaton's head, blink, dead. And not with his not with his plexi rubber cowl. It would bounce off. That thing, and that may be superman, Batman cheated. Batman cheese. The only way to defeat Superman, let me poison him for a little bit. No, that's cheating. Be a man. Step up. And Superman could kill him at any moment. doesn't. He's a better superhero. He doesn't cheat. They didn't say, I want to break your leg so you can't walk after me. No. He doesn't do that. You are very passionate about it. Those movies don't even exist to me. Feeling more. We've been to this. Yeah. David, he's he just go who's two other people, David Temp, both. Gabriel T. Superman. Between the two, probably Batman. All right, well, then it's all even out. We got two Superman lovers, two Batman lovers. Two are wrong, two are right. Superman is my second favorite. There's nothing wrong with that. Batman's probably my second favorite.

1:12:47 I'm a little bit because that's my son. He wants to argue. He wants, we always do. You are. Cause I am right, you are wrong. That that's it. All right, Dave number one. Dave's number one. Of a Batman villain. Fuck, okay. Yeah, you skipped me. I'm sorry. Cause we're so upset about Batman for Zuberman, and I'm so upset I can't breathe. My number one was already set, okay? On fire. Oh, you fucking love that show. Yeah. You. All about Colin Farrell. Was it on? It was on HBO Max. So every time it dropped, oh. No matter what we were doing, surgery. We had to stop surgery to watch. Fucking penguin. That show was fantastic. It was fantastic. It was, it was everybody, and even the girl who was on. Cristin Milioti, I just thought about her. Like, that's another entry for my list. Honorable mention, buddy. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's a good idea. Is that above Fight Club or under Seinfeld? It's in between. I don't think Temp ever finished the penguin.

1:13:53 No, no, he doesn't know. Yeah, I'm only like part way through like the fourth episode. The last one of those is really fucking sad. I'll say that. It it tiny. Luke, excellent choice. Thank you for doing all this the way it should be done. Thank you. Days? No, now you've hurt my feelings. So my number one on my incorrect list. And I went back to the to the You know, like it I have a list and I can I'll show you some of the people, like how deep I dove into this. And Tim, it's good Tim is on because some of the people, Tim knows more about them than we do, because Tim knows more about comics than we do. He does. But there are people on this list I'm like, holy shit. Well, now I got to put that on the list. I was sitting here like really upset yesterday while I was watching the flyers. I was like, come on, flyers. Come on, list. Um so Going back to my least favorite Batman movie, but the way I made the list. Danny DeVito as the penguin, which was the highlight of that movie. Yeah. He was the best part of the movie. But my number one all-time.

1:15:02 Something that a Batman villain also was in. Is it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Why aren't you telling us what anything is? Like what? What is that building over there? Uh it's a big building. It's a brick building. Red brick building. I don't know what the hell it is. It's an old building. Can you please use the microphone? It's very difficult for people to hear back. Oh, okay. Oh, the microphone. Okay. All right. You hear that? Yeah. Okay, well, we're on the Schuylkill River, and it's home to many weird fish-like creatures, and also the depository of All of the unsolved crimes and murders in Philadelphia.

1:16:07 So it's I should have set that up. He he's he still's a riverboat. Tour guide in the Schuylkill and all the Japanese tours. And then later he's like, you know, my name's Frank. I like to bang a lot of whores. That's what I do. So. My number one is Frank Reynolds. I mean, that's on every list that it can be. It's always sunny and scientists. It's like neck and neck. I misunderstood the assignment. Totally understand. I totally provide. We understand your misunderstanding. Frank Reynolds is one of the greatest things to ever happen. on planet Earth. There was Jesus. There was Elon Musk. And in between, not in this order, it was Frank Reynolds because that's it. That's just it. How come you never watched the show? I don't know. I just, I don't know. And I heard it's great. And I Believe you guys. You you like to watch like

1:17:09 Crummy shows, but like, yeah, high-quality entertainment. You're like, eh. And if, and if it's if. If you find out about it like two weeks after it comes out, it's too late. I can't watch it. Well, Tim is spot on with that. It's not two weeks later, but like Breaking Bad and this, like shit that people adore. I feel like, oh my God, there's like eight, nine, 10, 20 seasons. Like, I don't have time for that. And it's sad that I didn't hook on immediately. But you do have time. You just skip out watching The Littlest Groom and performing as. And the search air next air. You watch a lot of dumb, dumb show. I totally agree. Yeah, you watched that. Thing where they like flip the houses or whatever. It's like a real estate thing. It's called Beach Hunt Bargain. No, what's it called? N nineties. Well, that was its thing too that was on, the nineties flip in the house with hosted by Urkel. I did watch that. Yeah, instead of watching that. Yeah. When you get tempted to watch Urkel flip a house, say, let's watch.

1:18:15 But it also had Matthew Lawrence on it. And it had it after he did it. Did he go, did I flip land? It had Brandon Austin Green was on too, as a contestant. I mean, whenever you get tempted to watch for those, just say, let's go and watch. Frank's pretty woman. What? It's not like dick skin. Whatever Derek? I'm afraid you can't sleep. You go first, Luke. What's your am I first? Yeah, you. I'm afraid to sit here where Dave lives. He's going to mention. I mean, I will be here the rest of the goddamn day. I had Burgess Meredith from the original Adam West. I had Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. I do love her. Wasn't with Mickey. And I have Uma Thurman as poison ivy. I I did enjoy her as poison ivy. I didn't have much. Luke, what about you? I got Jim Carrey. Okay. Inspired you on your list. Okay. Margot Robbie. Okay. Troy Baker.

1:19:16 Who was who was that? Who is that? He loves Troy Baker. He's the voice, first of all, of of Joel. Yeah, he's on Last of Us. But he also who did do in in Batman. He voices like Batman in the cartoons, games. Oh, he does he's Batman. He voices Baby, but he also voices some joker. Yeah. You look to his face. If you had done your list correctly, you could have had The Last of Us on your list. That's number one. Alright. Dave, what's your album mentions? All right. I mean, this show's been very long, so I don't want to waste anybody else's time, but I could do a top five per villain. So Penguin was Rocky III, Burgess Meredith. It's always Sunny Danny DeVito. Horrible bosses with Colin Farrell, Caddyshack, Seinfeld, which I said, and Stephen Root. voice the Penguin So office space. So that's just the penguin, the joker, the shining fight club. Zach Galifianakis, was him in the Lego movie? Oh, he was, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So the hangover, I said Mark Hamill, and Michael Emerson.

1:20:24 Did him in some, I think that Gotham show, maybe? Yeah, he was the guy from Lost, where is he? He's from Lost. So, Lost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Riddler, Paul Dano. From there will be blood. carry the cable guy. Conan O'Brien. was the Riddler in the Lego movie. So he was Late night with Conan O'Brien. John Michael Higgins was the Riddler, best in show. And John Astin was. took over for Frank Gorshen on the old TV show European Vacation. Damn, you know what's weird, Dave? I can see why you had a hard time because there's so many out there. Yeah. Yeah. Catwoman was short. Eartha Kitt, boomerang, and Halle Berry also in boomerang and the last Boy Scout. This is the one that I like. This is an honorable mention. Pulp fucking fiction is an honorable mention on my list. Uma Thurman. Bane, Danny Trejo was Bane. on something, a voice, so con air.

1:21:25 Yeah. Two-Face, Billy D. Williams, Emperor Straight Expect, Tommy Lee Jones, Natural Born Killers, Scarecrow, Cillian Murphy, 28 Days Later, Ra's al Ghul, Liam Neeson, Love Actually. Mr. Freeze, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Predator is an honorable mention on my list. Harley Quinn, Margot Robbie, once upon a time in Hollywood. Dead shot. Will Smith, I am legend. King Shark Sylvester Stallone I'll go back to Rocky 3. Professor Hugo Strange, Tim. us out with this one. This is a comic villain, right? Yeah, um Hugo Strange. I he had there's never been a live action Hugo Strange. PD1. BD Wong. Okay. So, so probably one of One of those um Straight to video, like animated films. Maybe so, Jurassic Park, BD1. Yeah, Clayface, Alan Tudyk, Dodgeball.

1:22:31 Love Alan Tudyk guy, actually. I do love it. Max Schreck. Christopher Walkin true romance slash wedding crashers. Carmine Falcone, John Turturro, or Brother, where art thou? And the one that I thought when I thought we were doing the same thing, Egghead. Vincent Price thriller. Right. Oh my god. Purge that from myself. The fuck because that's why I was confused when you were like, Can we have 10? I'm like, no, just pick five out of the, you know, maybe 15-20 people who we portrayed. And I realized I needed 10. I don't have pulp fiction or late night with Connor Brian on my list. They felt horrible putting leaving that out. True romance? Come on. I fucked up. England played the Riddler in some Democratoon, didn't he? I saw Robert Englund on a thing, but there's no way Nightmare at Elm Street was even going to crack this list. Wow, Dave did Like seven best of five lists right now. Yeah. What's Tim's favorite villain portrayal in the way that you guys did it from anything?

1:23:40 Uh I mean Heath Ledger would be He would be the one, yeah. Although I will say, um Oh shoot. In in Dark Knight. Uh the dark the uh Batman Begins. Um shoot, what is that? He played he played Carmine Falcone, basically. Oh yeah, um what is his name? I see his face. He's great in everything he does. British guy, Tom Wilkinson. Tom Wilkinson. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace. He, uh, Yeah, he plays Falcone so good in that. Like when he's at the table in the bar. And that's just that scene is so good. He just does such a great job. And then later on. When he's, you know, he's in Arkham and he's like trying to get out. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm seeing things. The walls are closing in. I'm like, I thought he was, I thought he was so good in Batman Begins. I love that. That's a really good one. Did anybody have which I thought would be on Dave's list for sure?

1:24:41 Joaquin Phoenix is Joker? Oh, I don't think so. Because I did the listing correctly. I was like, okay, Joaquin Phoenix Joker. He's my favorite Joker, even better than I like him better than he. Okay. But I wasn't picking Batman movies. That's why I didn't put Heath Ledger on my thing because Heath Ledger's greatest performance is The Joker. And I was like, no, fuck Batman. We're doing other movies, but I was wrong. So, yeah, that one is admitting when you're wrong. That Joaquin Phoenix Joker performance is an all-timer. Like next time you and Dave had to communicate better. I think I guess so. He texted me. I read it and I'm like. Sure. We each thought we knew what we were talking about and we were each right, but I was wrong. Um and I heard Tim say this and I have said this from day one and I will hoist him upon my shoulders like a young man at his bar mitzvah. Yeah. Joker 2. Is

1:25:42 One of the most. maligned and um Overlooked and highly critical for no reason movies of all time. I Yeah, I this this is one They're alone. I agree. And Well I he I hear you, Dave, loud and clear. I didn't hear Tim's cutting out. As soon as you were like, huh, Tim, he's like, hi. And then that's it.

1:26:48 This so it was it wasn't my mic, it was him. Yeah. I think he's gone now too. It's on mute. Yeah, I heard it. All right. I'll resume the recording and I'll just say we lost him. Okay, well so we lost him. plugging my thing and I was like, oh shit, I can't hear anything Tim's saying it's because He's gone. Yeah, yeah. Tim is gone. Like the. like the critical reviews of Clayface. To just out. Well we I'm so glad Tim was on the whole we turn cutting out here. Oh, he's back. Is he back? All right, I'm back. Okay, here he is. We hear a word you said. Yeah, no, I yeah, it I My by uh internet here like all of a sudden will just like burp out every once in a while. And so just like for no reason, all of a sudden just it just like kicks you off for just like a minute.

1:27:51 Nashville is trying to censor your thoughts on Joker 2. Joker 2. Yeah, yeah. I had a whole thing, but yeah. Um I'm sure it was eloquent. Yeah, I made a lot of points. Just re-say it, Tim. No, it's no, I mean, it's just basically what it is: you had all these masculine dudes, and all of a sudden, you have a movie that. comes out and it's a musical. And somebody guys are like, oh, I'm not going to watch a musical. That's gay. And oh, Lady Gaga's in it. Oh my God. No, she does gay things. And I think, I honestly think that's what a lot of it had to do with. It had to do with people's insecurities. And that movie's so fucking awesome. I don't know if it's better than the first. And it's not, I wouldn't say it's better than the first. The first. you know, was good and it didn't necessarily need a sequel. The s the sequel we got. Top nuts. Well said.

1:28:51 I agree. Well said. Yay. Sim, I want to thank you for Calling me, hey, do you want to be on? And you were like, yeah, sure. So. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we will see you all. Next time, same bad channel, same bad podcast on best of fives.

Dave starts with the 1985 horror comedy Transylvania 6-5000, which gets a 5 out of 10 thanks to Jeff Goldblum, Jeffrey Jones and a scene-stealing Michael Richards. It's PG, so it could be a good Halloween watch with the kids. Then comes the 1977 possessed-car movie The Car, with James Brolin, great practical stunts and a score that echoes The Shining, also a 5 out of 10. Other picks include the Japanese kung fu oddity The Oily Maniac and the overlong but atmospheric Gore Verbinski gothic horror A Cure for Wellness.

If you want honest streaming horror movie reviews made for horror movie fans, this episode shows which ones are worth your time.

In this episode:

• Transylvania 6-5000, The Car and The Oily Maniac
• A Cure for Wellness: great atmosphere, but it needs a half hour cut
• Do Not Enter, a 2 out of 10 urban exploring dud on Prime
• Traumatic, a 2024 demonic possession movie Dave says to skip
• VHS Mixtape, the music-themed anthology that rates 3 out of 10, and why the Gwar segments fall flat
• Bloody Tennis, Dave's top pick at 6 out of 10, with a killer ending
• Dave's take on Jessica Chastain's Other Mommy

In this episode

Also mentioned: Bloody Disgusting's list of 10 great EC Comics stories Tales from the Crypt never adapted. Bats in My Belfry tops it.

Previous episode: Confession. More from Horrors from the Vault, and Halloween Horror Nights fans can dig into our HHN history, 1991 to today.

This transcript was generated automatically from the episode audio. It may contain errors and does not label speakers.

0:05 Boils and ghouls, it's time to gather round us horrifying Hunter, petrified Preston, and Devilish Dan crack open another volume of Tales from the Crypt. This is horrors from the farm. Welcome kitties to Horrors from the Vault. My name is Horrifying Hunter and I'll be one of the three shadowy figures leading you into the dark and haunted corridors of this very vault.

1:23 Tonight we're cracking open the 12th tome of the final season of Tales from the Crypt with Ear Today... Gone Tomorrow. An episode as, well, excuse me, it's an episode as the kids would say, all about getting cracked. Which is an expression I personally don't like very much. Apparently, it's a new way of saying you've had intercourse with someone and it's like you don't have a better way to say than you crack somebody. That's all. Isn't it gross? It's really gross. I don't like it very much, but yeah, it's a new thing that I'm encountering on social media. And I'm like, I don't. Anyways, let's. Let's not, let's not, like, I cracked your boy, your boy cracked me. I don't like any of that, you know? Ugh, ugh. You know what else I'm tired of? I'm tired of the word slop, because I get it. There is a lot of slop out there, but I am so sick of reading the word slop at this point. I wish it wasn't such an apt word for what it describes.

2:24 You know, like it's on the nose. I'm like, I hate hearing about it, but unfortunately, it's like the perfect word for what they're trying to convey. Can we recontextualize this, Ash? Can we be like, ooh, that's some AI moist? Like, can we can we make it grosser? That's a moist slop. That's ho I think that's homework. We need to come back with a word what can, you know, change the word slop. Well, we'll need it for next week's episode. But before we can venture fully into the vaults. Devilish Dan, not to spoil it too much, but we get a pretty gnarly bit of body horror to conclude our final live-action episode of the series. You got any favorite gross-out body horror moments that are a bit off the beaten path? I don't want to hear about The Thing. I don't want to hear about American Werewolf. Like, is there anything in recent memory? It could be an old movie, but like, is there anything in recent memory that you've seen where you're like, That's really fucking gross. This is one of the weeks I wish you would have gone to Ash first. Well, we talked about last episode, if it didn't hit the cutting room floor, the new Insidious has some good teeth.

3:33 Grossness in it. So if you have issues with teeth, insidious out of the further is not going to be for you. What else body horror wise? Oh man. I think I got a hard pass. I'm spinning out here that isn't like. Uh obvious That has been talked about again and again. Can I be controversial here? Sure. Can I say one? Braindead is a little too much for me. Okay. The Peter Jackson one? It's just a little too gross for me. I don't know what it is. It is awfully gross. Well, and I think Evil Dead Rise then was probably pretty gross because there's a lot of kind of copy-paste elements to that. I just think Evil Dead has like a certain slickness to it where I'm like, ooh, yeah. That's nasty, but Braindead feels like I'm actually watching something I should not be. I hate that. I hate that cover. I hate the little skeleton baby in the mouth. There's a lot about Braindead where I don't actually hate this movie, but it is one that sends some shivers up my spine. Just like Slither. I've seen Slither once, probably never again.

4:47 See, I think the problem with me too with body horror stuff is like I've watched so much special effects things and how things were made where I'm just like I can more appreciate what they did versus getting skeeved out by it. You know, like, so like body horror is not really my prime go-to, but I appreciate your dislike for brain dead that like. custard thing in the soup is pretty gross. Yeah, I'm Go to Ash. See, I'll try to come back. I think it's Ash's turn. I felt because I wrote the question. Let me step in and try to give you both a little bit of buffer room, but I had to pick on you first, Dan. Ash, anything for you that just gives you the absolute heebie-jeebies? Yeah, you know what? This is it's always good going second for these questions for sure. You know what? I. Gives me the heebie jeebies and makes me shiver every time. You've seen Stir of Echoes with a fingernail. Oh, yeah. That is, that gets me every single time. I don't know what it is with like the fingernails sort of like ripping off or cracking. Oh, there's another one.

5:50 The fingernail ripping the fly too, that gets me. So yeah, Biddy, not too niche, but yeah, the fingernails in Stir of Echoes and the one with the rip in the fly to him. The Stir of Echoes that's a good answer. It's awful. Oh. I did come up with an obvious one that I can't believe that it just flew out of my brain is Ugly Stepsister from last year was fantastic by your. If you haven't seen that ash, check out the ugly side. I haven't seen it. Yeah, it's on shutter and it was on Hulu for a while. I'm not sure if it is anymore. There's no fingernails breaking in it, right? No, but there's like no stuff. There's a really good tapeworm scene. Oh, tapeworms. Yeah, there's some bad shit in there. It's good, though. What do you guys think about um What do you guys think about society, maybe? Oh, yeah. Society is pretty good. See, it's not really body horror. That doesn't gross me out to the same extreme, but I feel like that's one Tales from the Crypt viewers would enjoy if they hadn't seen it. Yeah, Society is pretty good. It's good and campy and like gross and sloppy. That's Screaming Mad George, if I remember correctly. So yeah, some of his effects in there are.

7:02 you know, obviously he's a king. Call it insensitive if you want, but there is some shit going on with the Japanese and their body horror. Like, what is it? Tetsuo: The Iron Man. Tetsuo: The Iron Man. I had to tap out of that. I had to. Yeah, I could not. That was one of those box sets that I blind bought at Barnes Noble because it was an arrow sale. And I'm like,$40. Let's check it out. And uh I think I made it through about three of those movies before I said, No, this is this is not for me, guys So that is a hot take'cause I know people absolutely swear by some of those movies. I think I am just an American mainstream uh Punk ass is how you would describe it. But yeah, yeah, I mean, if you want to get real extreme, like Martyrs is out there, you can check out Martyrs, but I don't recommend it to most people. Um, so that's why I didn't mention that. Um Uh what's the s the what's the skin I live in? Is that the one with Antonio Banderas uh where he's doing some very experimental surgery on somebody?

8:04 Um yeah. Check that out if you're a real sicko. I mean, my current favorites, uh, yes, I just confirmed that on Letterbox for you, Dan, if you were curious. So Um I think the one that's happening in the mainstream and we're like all watching it in real time is whatever is going on with Sylvester Stallone's face. It is, it is horrifying. He looks like Tim Allen and the Santa Claus 2, you know, the toy one. Yeah, there, there's some stuff going on. I'll see if I can jump scare you guys later when you're supposed to be talking on the episode. I mean, if we're talking real-life body horror, let's not go down this rib. These ladies and their Ozempic pills need to be separated. That's all I'm saying. A lot of the men, too, though, to be fair. Yeah, to be fair. But yeah, there's some. There's an issue with Hollywood and we need to to People's heads straight, I think. Hey, look, it's all about body positivity until everybody can afford it. So here we are.

9:07 Season seven, episode 12 aired on July 12th of 1996. Again, we're talking about Ear Today... Gone Tomorrow. Ash, we have a bit of a situation this week. Let's talk about the comic book inspiration as we visit you for this week's House of Horror. Okay, let's talk about it. We're going back to January of 1952, Haunt of Fear issue 11. Didn't like this one, guys. I feel. It's a very predictable story anyway. Just going into like the ins and outs of it, but it's a very predictable story. You can kind of see. You know, the source material, where it came from, because it's an unscrupulous. Businessman, you know, kind of similar. To the nature of the episode, if you will, but obviously they're in the fertilizer game. What's weird is the irony of them using the very material that they're stealing is from the dead being used to fertilize crops anyway, but they're just using it like the bones, but.

10:15 You know, when they return from the vacation, crops kill them. And, you know, the consequences of their own sort of exploitation of the dead is quite romantic in the end. But it's a very predictable story that they were going to get the comeuppins because of the fertilizer going wrong. But I didn't particularly enjoy it. Guys, ears can mean more than just the things on your head, apparently. It can mean corn as well, which is what the comic's about. And the episode is not. Yeah, as you get it. This one's a weird one and just kind of bland and not weird in a good way. So this episode is actually from Tales from the Crypt number 24 with a little episode called Bats in My Belfry. So if you want to read that one, it's about him getting the audiatoria system of a bat instead of an owl. But that is actually where the story is pulled from. I guess they just wanted to make the pun about ear today. But yes, it is pretty hilarious that we instead ended up talking about coin. Yeah, wait, so hang on a minute. Wait a second. Wait.

11:23 This comic inspiration is not from the episode. Okay. Wikipedia stirred me wrong on this one. No, but I mean, even the wiki page, it links this episode to Haunt of Fear 11. Like, it's linked to that, obviously, because it's the same name, it's the same name and title. And you can see the you can see some similarities with it, but. We read the wrong one. There you go. I mean we read the right one. We read the riot one. Yes. Um but here I'm sending it in the chat just so you guys can check it out. I believe you. But just so you have it for your own record, I'll just read the synopsis real quick. An actor loses his hearing, so he goes to an unorthodox individual that a friend related him to. This person recommends transplanting the auditoria systems of a bat, to which our hero agrees. Not only does he receive super acute hearing, but he starts to gain other characteristics. Yeah. So that sounds like this episode, man. It does, yeah. We made it through 90-some episodes without fucking up. But I guess we didn't really fuck up because the Wikipedia points to this irritated gauntlet. Well, he's the same name, too. Yeah.

12:38 And this isn't even an attempt at a call out or anything like that. It's just I thought it was very interesting that they pulled the title, but not actually it. And what's fun is, um, Bloody Disgusting actually has an article that was published in June that I came across: 10 great EC comic stories not adapted for Tales from the Crypt. And Bats in My Belfry was the number one suggestion. Interesting. Jokes on you, John Squares. Yes, it was. Now, here's my question. Will I actually go back and read this? Probably not is the answer, but we'll see. I'll just time it. Yeah, I'll put it up on the uh on the uh uh the old socials and say uh what what I thought about it. How about that? There you go. Horrific. That article did tip me off to some other good stories that they did not adapt, including some that feel very obvious for Tales from the Crypt. So shout out to Paul over at Bloody Disgusting for pointing me in the direction of those. But yeah. So I have a question then. Have we covered.

13:42 Maybe we probably don't know this answer. Have we covered an episode where I, where we've covered the comic and we, and it's kind of like not. It's loosely related to the source material, but we may have got it wrong. But the name's been correct. I wonder if that's happened before. Like the same thing where where they they like the name but they changed it. Yeah, like the name that like we've covered the one that we thought it was correct and it's maybe it's got loose, you know, der you know, loose kind of connection to the source to the episode, but maybe that's happened before. We just don't know. Yeah. And as you guys saw just from looking at the uh link that I sent you, this is actually one of the most famous covers I think of Classic Tales from the Crypt as well. It's the zombie in the quicksand that I feel like everybody who's just searched EC Comics has seen before. I believe this is one of the infamous comic covers that led it to... Um You know, all the the comic book uh code stuff that came on later on. Yeah. sense. Apparently it also shows up in Demon Knight, this particular comic book. So fun.

14:50 Hey, we get to talk about that in a couple of weeks as well. Permanently. Stay tuned. We're fully going to freak out. It's not every episode where I get to drop a surprise on you guys. So yeah, fun stuff. All right. Well, Devilish Dan, we've talked quite a bit about this week's non-essential comic book reading. So, or essential, if you want to go read another one. So, there we go. Let's talk about this week's top billing as we hit the creative team involved. Yeah, let's talk about a non-essential creative team this week because neither our writer or director have much to their credit on IMDB. The writer Ed. Worked on the Mark Marin Show and Stan Against Evil, as well as Cutting Their Teeth as associate producer on House on a Haunted Hill. But this was his very first credit. Uh the director Christopher Hart only has three things on his IMDB page. Uh this episode, a short film and something called Eat n Run, which is about a gumshoe hunting down a man-eating alien who just so happens to like spicy foods.

15:56 Unfortunately, it's also a similar story for Robert Lindsay as Glenn Fennell. While he was in quite a few more productions, not many of them were notable. The only things that really stood out to me were as maleficent as King John and an episode of Ab Fab. Although there is a made for TV movie called Brazen Hussy. May need to check out because I sure do love a good brazen hussy. Who doesn't love a good brazen hussy? I exactly love that. You know, you know what, too? I feel like we've said somebody from Absolutely Fabulous like so many times this season, too. Yeah, Ab Fab. I tried to make Mr. Bean a running gag, but it turns out Ab Fab is a National running gag, so look at that. You know who's also a brazen hussy is Gretchen Palmer as Kate Lawson. We're getting a little bit better with Gretchen. She was in at least 13 episodes of The Young and the Restless, as well as Wishmaster. Uh but there are a lot of stewardess, hooker, and quote unquote woman type characters listed on her IMDB page.

17:01 Then we have Richard Johnson as Malcolm Lawson. We're finally getting somewhere with Richard. He was actually in the original The Haunting and Fulci's Zombie, as well as the boy in the striped pajamas. And finally we have Phil Davis as Henry. I could have sworn that I recognized Phil from fucking something, but the only project that I think I've seen him in is Alien 3 and maybe that one episode of Inside Number 9, which is a fantastic show everyone should look at Inside Number 9. But he did provide the voice of Mundungus Fletcher in some of the Harry Potter audiobooks. And as far as I can tell, he was not in anything with Mr. Bean, Mr. Bean actor Rowan. Ending it up pretty good for the series. I guess we got one more episode, but a lot of those are repeats. So a bunch of. unknown people this week for the most part. Yeah. Good unknown cast. But someone who isn't unknown, of course, is the Crypt Keeper. Let's talk about that opening segment. We're going to Slaymart this week because I guess, you know, with the impending cancelization, he has found solace in a retail environment and it's fun.

18:19 I don't know, it takes me back to blue light specials and what does he say at one point? Doomingdales? Doomingdales. Which is pretty great. But yeah. Makes me nostalgic for a time that I oh so briefly was in. I did like the Goolight Special pun and it I I have to call that one out because not only is that an old ass pun at this point, uh but it is a very old ass American pun. Uh Kmart used to have a thing called the Blue Light Special where they would announce it over the intercom and there'd be a blue light and for the next hour or so that's what was on sale. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I've only just realized it's referencing Kmart. I've never been in a Kmart once in my life. And now I'm just ref now I'm just realizing what it's referencing. Oh mate. It's like a Tesco but like different. They got glue glue light specials. You will never beat a Tesco so good. I think Kmarts are still around like Australia, which is strange to me. Somewhere. There was one in Miami for a long time. But yeah, we didn't close the one in Ocala until sometime in the 2010s. So it was around. It was sad by that point. But I'm pretty sure my original Super Nintendo came from Kmart. Definitely bought some video games back in the day from Kmart. And if you ever want to go down a rabbit hole, there's two commercials you can watch. You should watch the Star Wars Episode 1.

19:38 Uh is here Kmart commercial because they had their massive tie-in and it was actually tied into Halloween. People were all excited for their Star Wars Halloween costumes. And then you should also watch the infamous Ship My Pants admin. Are you guys familiar with this? No. It's just customers talking about how if a product's not in store, they'll ship it for free. I want to say this is in the late 2000s, early 2010s. And it's just a bunch of people going, you're telling me I can ship my pants? I can ship my pants right now. And it's pretty darn good, actually. So there you go. I appreciate Kmart for having Super Ks, which were one of the first stores to be open 24-7. And you could drive from college at like two o'clock in the morning to hang out in a Super K. for Star Wars Power of the Force action figures. Nice. Big old thick gorilla layer. Yeah, things are great. Television Terror, the episode itself.

20:39 Unfortunately for Glenn Fennell, his one talent has finally dried up. A safe cracker with less than perfect hearing is not a safe cracker at all. And after the most recent failed job, the big boss is not pleased with him. They proceed to whack Glenn on the billiards table, but lucky for him, a beautiful woman interrupts the procedure. And apparently, she's had a few procedures of her own from the world's best surgeons. We're introduced to Kate, the big boss's wife, who proceeds to recreate her own jackass skid by getting ready to break Glenn's balls in more ways than one. She manages to convince her husband to give Glenn just one more chance, calling him cute enough. Sort of way. The husband and wife whisper to each other: there's a bet in place, and Glenn's life is on the line. Alright. Appalling Ash, what did you think of Ear Today... Gone Tomorrow? Okay, so let's just break down this sort of opening what you've just gone over. So He's in his debt. Why is he trying to crack a safe? Is he going to utilize him?

21:43 in the future to open saves? Or is was that the bet that he couldn't open it within like Two minutes and 10 seconds. I'm confused at what. Cracking the safe has to do with it. I believe so. Glenn was a former safe cracker that's found himself in some gambling debt. The big boss, what's his name? Malcolm, has found out and he plans on utilizing him as part of his posse. But unfortunately, Glenn can't. Basically, the boss man owns all his debt, and unless he can prove his worth to him, he is going to get his money back one way or the other. Okay, so yeah, I'm on the same page there. I'm just wondering, like, why, what's the safe cracking thing all about? Is he gonna utilize him as part of his, you know? To maybe crack some safes moving forward to kind of pay off his debt, maybe. But yeah, I'm not particularly fond of the opening. There's no real Set up for anything. I don't want to steal anybody's thunder, but we kind of talked off air a little bit about the maybe performances in here, too. It felt like almost

22:44 overacted. In a sense, too, which didn't really hit for me as well. So, from what we've gone over so far, Hans, I'm very underwhelmed at where this episode's taking me. Yeah, uh, you're not alone, Ash. I had to like kind of pause and go, okay, so what's going on? It, I'm not, uh, I'm a very like show don't tell or uh yeah, show don't tell kind of person where I don't like exposition dumps, but I felt this needed a little more of an exposition dump because. These farty old Brits are like just talking back and forth. I'm like, wait, I don't even know who the characters are. You're talking like I should know who they are. So, yeah, I had to rewind the first time and just try and figure out. What the setup even was, to be honest with you. Um, and I'm still not sure I fully understand it because I think they reference the bet, but the bet pays off at the end of the episode. Um So yeah. Um Very bad setup. Not a great start for this episode.

23:47 I think it kind of all comes together by the end. Cause at the end of the day, they're testing him to see how they can enhance, like a bunch of comic book villains, their crime empire by utilizing animal parts, right? That's really all it boils down to. And Glenn is just an unwitting suspect. And I guess the bet is: can Glenn survive or is it going to. Adapt to his body the way that they would like it to, etc. etc. I kind of like that it didn't throw you right in, but yeah, I see your point where maybe we could have used a little bit of opening narration where it was like, ooh, I found myself in a bad spot recently and here I am. I fought so hard to get out, but I just couldn't stop gambling, baby. You know, something like that would have worked. He's Been on what is it? Kalshi. He's been on that sports betting app way too long. That's a betting app. It's Trades Hunter. Trading app. Sure. Everything's a betting app now, supposedly. But yeah, I didn't struggle too much with it. But at the end of the day, I think it's just a solid episode. I do like that it does have a bit of that comic book flavor to it at the end of the day.

24:55 Um, it does in a way attempt to go back to the series's roots with, um, Just kind of touching into, hey, evil surgeons and guys in over their heads and beautiful women and things like that. So it's very simple in that regard, but. I didn't think it was anything exceptional, you know? I did like the setup of like you were talking about with the animal things. So you get to see the one like tough guy got something done with his eyes. And you're like, wait, what's with this dude's eyes? And I didn't even realize what it was until like halfway through the second villain. I'm like, oh, he was like the test case for her cat eyes. Yep. Yep. So Kate surprises Glenn at the pub one day, flashing her new feline eyes. She needs him to help her rob her husband, promising immense riches, letting him know that really Glenn has no choice between helping her or dying, so he might as well. She leads him up to the bedroom with a bit of flirting between the two, with Glenn knowing that he probably shouldn't be fucking his boss's wife, but he really shouldn't be that concerned because she's going to do it all for him anyway. So I guess cats are just inherently horny beings. I get it. Cats are in heat, but it's weird to be like, oh, yeah, cats just be fucking left and right, apparently. Um

26:17 We do get some extended booby time though. This is uh I believe we said right before we stopped recording, this is maybe the longest boobs on camera scene that we've gotten in the series. So yeah, there we go. Two bolt-down breasts and one butt for an extended length. And I'm gonna call this the like the final official episode of the series and The next episode is more of like a coda or a farewell, but this is the final traditional episode. So I'm glad to see that we're closing it out with a lot of gratuitous nudity. Lot of nudity. Yeah. But yeah, but surprisingly, you know, the whole thing is we hear that her husband is gone, but there he is. He's over there. Uh, in the cuck doorway, just watching it happen. No chair, just the doorway. No chair, yeah. Student. I saw something the other day that was like, How do cucks not get bored? I would probably be on subway surfers on my phone, you know, five minutes in, you're like, All right, that's not, I'm gonna just go on stand in the corner playing Marvel Snap, you know.

27:28 I gotta finish this draft mode. It's only available in two weeks. Look, if I put 99 cents in, it promises me a return on my investment. So I've spent 99 cents on worse. I can't even get a stick of gum for that anymore. I got these trades on Kalshi to complete. Yeah. So Glenn goes to the doctor who promises to use animal parts to restore his hearing while the doctor laughs hysterically at such a monkey of a suggestion. The doctor's laugh in here might be goaded. It might be one of the best laughs we've gotten in the entire series. And his pronunciation of baboons is fantastic. Baboons. Badoons The doc promises him, instead of the hearing, of something much better than a primate. Specifically an owl. Glenn faints promptly, and for better or for worse, Glenn wakes up with his new aviary capability. He can hear it all: heartbeats, lungs breathing in and out, and the formation of hairballs in Kate's chest. They manage to break into her husband's safe, but Glenn decides to get the upper hand by pulling a gun on Kate and shooting her dead with a little meow.

28:40 For good measure. I love the animal sound triggers in this. It's so stupid. Unnecessary. I did like her having nine lives might be like a little bit of a flashback to one of the first episodes, Dig That Cat, He's Real Gone, where there's like a science. Again, this is Tales from the Cracked Crypt Connected Universe. You know, maybe Tale from the Cracked. Tales from the Crack. This guy got cracked, by the way. He cracked that dude's wife. Jesus Christ. But I do have it in here, Dan. Unlucky for him and tying it full circle to where we started with this disease. Her feline implants have given her nine lives. So yeah. Perfect. I like that. And I like to think that was done on purpose. Um anything here Ash? Like I feel like we've probably hit anything of note in here, but are there any like silly little observations you might have. No, there's a I mean there's a yeah, there's a lot to unpack from the uh the ending, but yeah, nothing real

29:41 Real noteworthy to add. What I thought was funny though, when Kate went to him to, you know, kind of Use him. Um, she mentions that this you know, husband's back in five days, and he did mention he's going to Paris for 10 days, and she just finds him in the pub. Like, he's doing nothing to help his situation, he's just chilling in a pub. So, yeah, no choice either way. Right, I think he knows he's fucked, so he's just got to do the best he can. Well, anyways, things don't end well for Glenn because his face suddenly explodes with a large beak protruding out of his face. And his neck spinning completely backwards. So we opened the episode by talking about a little bit of body horror. And here it is. I don't know. There is something pretty unnerving about the large bird beak coming out of this dude's face. Yeah, I like this makeup. It looked really good. Yeah. And the effect of his head turning around, it looked good without being too CGI. Um Yeah, this is this is a great way to close out the series. Yeah, they do a little bit of a Wolfman trick, I believe I've noticed, with the actual face explosion. It looks like it was cropped from an actual prop with the beak exploding, and then they applied the prosthetic. So a little bit of digital trickery there because it looks a little too smooth, but still a fun little trick nonetheless.

31:02 So the husband and wife mob couple exchange their betting money, and the doctor comes in to explain that Glenn was really just a test subject. After all, the cost of enhancement is unfortunately always going to ruffle a few feathers. So yeah, I love that we just put him down. Do you think he had, do you think they had like owl meat for dinner that night? Like was his body would he have become a man-sized owl at some point and they could have had some KFC fun buckets with this man? No, you you don't the episode tells you you don't turn into a full animal. Um You just get some aspects of the animal. So I don't think he would be an owl man. You know what I think they had? Uh I think they had gin owl me. Jin owl. Bringing it back one last time. Go back to some chicken gin and some owl gin. Eat it on your bed. Well, now we need someone to make an ad for us. Chicken gin. Eat it in your bed.

32:11 We'll pay our last respects in a moment, but before we do, let's talk about that closing Crypt Keeper moment where he shocks himself with a charge card, which is a pretty good pun. Yeah. Charge card, get it? Charge card. I wish that we would have been able to end this a little better. I mean, I guess technically next week is the final episode, but you know, I'm getting a bit of blood splatter, but again, my point stands. I feel like last week's episode would have been a more fitting conclusion with the literal bad guy drinking from a beer with heads in his fridge. You know, it just feels a little bit more full circle for me. All right, last respects. I'll start this week. I didn't find this episode overtly offensive. There is some fun effects. I don't know how often I'm gonna revisit it, but I didn't really have any problems with it outright either. I'm giving this just three separate thumbs. Yeah, that sounds completely fair. I'll join you in three severed thumbs. It's exactly where I'm at. Good effects, a quick episode, but man, it doesn't tell much of a story. So that's why it deserves three.

33:18 I'm going a little bit lower. The reason I am, so last week's episode I thought was light years, not light years is the wrong word, much better than this episode. And I went 3.5 for that one. And if I went three on this one, is there really 0.5 between last week's episode and this one? don't think so. So I'm going 2.57 thumbs up for this episode. Okay. So maybe you should boost up last week's episode. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Did I go too low last week? Hmm. It sounded like you were pretty. Smart in your decision. I mean, I really can't blame a 2.5 if that's how you feel either. Like, I'm not going to fight it on you. Or fight you about it, I guess I should say. I'm not re-recording last week's episode. He gave it a three-year-old. Hey, if when we do our eerie excellence, maybe I can uh maybe I can talk about it. Give back to the next one. Yeah, we usually talk about is there any adjustments that we need to make. But uh, I feel like I'm pretty confident in this season overall. Yeah. All right, so speaking of eerie excellence, we do have one more episode to cover. But like you said, Dan, it's a little bit of an outlier. We're still going to rate it in the normal method. But if you don't know, Tales from the Crypt actually ends with an animated cartoon special. So come back next week for animated cartoon kind of a misnomer? It ends with a cartoon special, so come back next week.

34:41 To watch the cartoon, especially if you loved the if you grew up with the Tales of the Crypt Keeper animated series. This was kind of a backdoor pilot, but it's rated R instead of PG. So come back and check that out. And Ash's segment is either going to be the shortest segment he's done or an extremely long segment. I think Ash had just talked for three hours about the three little pigs. Like talk about the wrong one again. Yeah. And then, after that, of course, is Eerie Excellence, our final ever Eerie Excellence. Because for the big finale, we're going to have to do a collaboration where we get all four of us to talk about our favorite hits of the entire series. So, Dan, you've been doing the math. You've been keeping track. I cannot wait to see what actually tops the list as our top. 20 favorites and our bottom five least favorites. Yeah, it's not going to be next week's episode, but you should tune in next week to hear what we think about. Three Little Pigs Animated Cartoon Special, as Hunter likes to say. Yeah, Animated Cartoon Special. Someone who watches a lot of animated cartoon specials.

35:50 Appalling Ash, what's going on, my dude? What are you up to right now at the end of September? Yeah, just f I mean for for us especially Halloween Horror Night season is in uh full swing, a month done already, which is pretty crazy when you you know you wait all year round for it. Um Yeah, that's pretty much it. Um September's very big. Birthday month for my family, we have like four Virgos all within like A week or so, so lots of celebrations going on. But yeah, if you want to find me personally, I am at AshMB13 on other socials. Awesome, man. Awesome. Devilish Dan, what's up with you, my dude? Yeah, bro, give us all a follow at HorrorVaultPod on Instagram and Twitter. Maybe Blue Sky if you're one of the 10 weirdos on there still. And then you can follow me. Like Ash said, I'll be at HHN probably when this episode drops. So check out. Pictures there, I guess. I don't know. And then it's all autumn all the way down. So you can see that shit at red, right, Dan.

36:57 And hopefully, by the time you listen to this over on the Grim Grinning Host feed, I actually have our HHN reviews up, waiting for a couple more members of that party to come. Maybe even Dan, who knows? But we will be talking more Halloween horror nights over there as we prep for spooky season and pay tribute to good friends. If you don't want to follow me on my podcast, totally get it. Who the fuck wants to listen to this voice for more than an hour? You can find me on Letterboxd at Discount Vincent Price. We want to thank you all again for tuning in. We'll catch you next time for the season, well, for the series finale, just not the Horrors from the Vault finale. So we'll catch you next time for that. But until then, ...

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0:01 Uh Hello and welcome to Ya Gotta See Them Live, a podcast about the power of live music told one band at a time. My name's Dave, welcome back to the show. Thanks for joining me. And like you saw on the title card, today I'm talking about the four times, four-ish, I'll say, times that I saw Blues Traveler. So I am 53 years old, anybody around my age. Your 90s may have been taken up by a couple of bands, and I bet Blues Traveler was one of them, and I bet you own their album 4. Came out in 1994. I feel like everybody had this album, it was a staple. And before I get to the times I saw them. I think maybe a little background is good. If you're a NEOZAZ listener, you've heard Matt and Chris and Tim and Steve and Smitty and all these guys. We grew up in a place called Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Nobody knows where the hell Quakertown, Pennsylvania is. Not that you should.

1:17 Because it's really kind of a unremarkable little town, but it might be like your town. In the far, far suburbs of Philadelphia in southeastern Pennsylvania. And the only reason that I bring this up is that John Popper lived in Quakertown for eight years. I looked it up before I did this show because I knew that he lived in Quakertown because a lot of us had a personal connection with him. I didn't know he lived here for eight years. But he did. So, uh I don't know, I think that kind of made us feel a little special. And it was like really in the eight years where he was like somebody. It wasn't like, you know, he was a has-been. We never really knew why he lived in Quakertown. In fact, if you look in the liner notes of four, that album. Uh there's always special thanks. You remember liner notes? Like if you're that old, like you remember like in the the record it was like the slip that the record came in and then in the C D, you know, you had your liner notes. And they would thank people. They would thank their mom, their dad, their wife, who the hell ever.

2:18 One of the thank yous in four is to the Quakertown Veterinary Clinic, I believe, because I think they took care of his animals. Cause he had kind of a place out of town in the woods, very secluded. And I know this because Chris from Pass the Popcorn and several other shows. We went to his house once and he had like a gate and then a long driveway, and you can see his house in the back. And we were idiots. I mean, we were way too old to be doing this because. We were in our twenties. Well we drove and we rang the rang the little intercom. And then a voice came over. It was definitely him. And he just went, What? And we lay parallel. Or he like pulled out of there and left. children. 'Cause that's kind of what we did and what we still do, honestly. Yeah. The reason that a lot of us had this personal connection was him living in Quakertown all the time, he used to come to the movies quite regularly. I would say. Almost weekly, but several times a month.

3:21 And we really kind of got to know him a little bit. And he got to know us. would know our names. We didn't bother him for the most part, which I think he liked. People would get a little starstruck. He'd sign autographs. He was always very nice to people, but we didn't bother him like that. We were just like the guys at the movie theater. And he started to remember our names. I remember him remembering my name at one point. And I was like, holy shit. The thing the person that he connected the most with, and it's not surprising if you listen to NEOZAZ, is Tim. Who has always been the music guy? Tim knows so much about music, he's forgotten more about music than I'll ever know. And uh whenever we meet yu music people, They always seem to gravitate to Tim. And I think that he and Popper had more conversations than anybody else. But it was about movies. It was like, did you see this movie yet? Are you looking forward to this movie? What about next week? You know? You know, V.I. Warshawski comes out with Kathleen Turner. Ooh, she's hot. You know, so it was a, it was more like that. He would get a lot of food. He would get a big giant popcorn and all his food, and he would kind of carry it. He always wore it like that.

4:27 Fishing tackle, almost like ammo vest with the big dumb hat, you know. He was so nice. And he would go to the very bottom of the theater. He would sit in the front row. And when the movie was over, he would leave through the exit doors and the bottom of the theater and walk out to the alley. So I don't know. We never checked if he like parked in the alley and walked around so he could make like getaway. But he used to come in all the time. It was really kind of nice. And we always. I don't know, felt a little special or a little bit of a kinship. John Popper and then by extension Blues Traveler. So, but I'm going to tell you about the times I saw him. I hadn't seen them for a long time, and I never saw them back in the day. Which I regret. Although when you see them now, even to this day, you're going to hear exactly what you want to hear. So the first time I saw him was October 25th, 2023, not that long ago, at the Santander Performing Arts Center in Reading, Pennsylvania. Reading is a a bigger city.

5:28 Okay. Um getting more towards the Lehigh Valley or central Pennsylvania. And uh f folks from our neck of the woods don't go to Reading a whole hell of a lot. Something about it was like I had seen all these shows, and they kind of would come up. I was like, why have I not seen? Blues Traveler. Everybody my age loves Blues Traveler. I made a point to go see it with some folks from work. And I wasn't disappointed. I will say this about all of these shows. They are short. And I'm not necessarily complaining. I kind of like it. They come out, they have the songs that people know. They do a couple covers. These setlists are all very similar. I have them all printed out here. And I kinda like that they don't necessarily Waste your time with stuff that you don't want to Here, maybe it's a stamina thing for Popper and the rest of the band. Like, they don't want to play a long show, but there's no filler in these shows, and I kind of like it.

6:30 The other thing that they do, and this happened Two of the three times that I saw him, and I'll explain the one time that's like a four-ish. A little later. They come out and they hit you with Run-Around first. They're not fucking around. They come out and the first song almost every time I saw them is Run-Around. Bands don't do that. They make you sit through their bullshit. And they save that for last. And other people are like, oh, you're going to play it last, right? The song that everybody wants to hear. You're going to hold us hostage here. They're like, fuck that. First song, Run-Around. Yeah. Well, I remember the first time I was shocked, and that's what they do. And I'm looking at the set list and it's it's the songs that you're thinking of that you want to hear. But then a couple of good covers that they do come back to. One song that I want to highlight, and I'm glad that they did play it, especially the first time, because I haven't I didn't hear it every time. It's a song off that album was called Regarding Stephen. It's a really sad song. About drug addiction. And him Popper talking to another friend, like, have you seen

7:33 Our mutual friend, this guy Stephen, he used to stay at my place. He used to stay at your place too, right? Like, when's the last time you saw him? And maybe I should have done a little more. As a friend. For him, than just like kind of let him stay on my couch and then kick him out at some point. It's a really sad song, it's very touching. And I think. He's been on Howard Stern a lot. At least he used to be a lot, a lot. And I remember an interview where Howard Stern, I think, mentioned that that was his favorite. Blues Traveler song, and it might be mine too. It's a really great little song. The rest of the things, it's like, you know, you're going to hear, you're going to hear your hook, and you're going to hear. But anyway, you're going to hear the songs you want to hear. They did War Pigs. The Black Sabbath song this time, and then another time I saw them, and they seem to always incorporate The Devil Went Down to Georgia in their set. doing a lot of the stuff on the harmonica. And say what you want about this band. Nobody can say a bad word about this guy's harmonica playing, and it hasn't changed. It's still wonderful.

8:42 So that was the first time I saw him. Um Second time. August 24th, 2024. The neatest thing about this is I saw them in Quakertown. So I'm telling you this this little town, if you drove through Quakertown, you'd be like, this is what this asshole's talking about, this town. We have Called the Univest Performance Center. It sounds really fancy, doesn't it? It's a fucking band shell. It's nothing. It's a band shell with a tiny little stage and they put folding chairs out and they charge a lot of money or you can sit in the grass or you can stand or whatever, but it's nothing. It is absolutely nothing. But they have done a half decent job of getting some people that you've heard of over the years at this Univest Performance Center. And you know, this was a tour. This was called the Blue Monsters Tour. It was Blues Traveler and Big Head Todd and the Monsters. So, you know, I mean, Big Head Todd and the Monsters and on their own. I'd be like, yeah, that's like a Quakertown thing. I mean, you listen to.

9:44 Bittersweet by them and then you leave. This was a real tour that performed in other real arenas. So I give credit to the people in Quakertown for getting some of the folks that they've gotten here. Um Beach Boys have played here a couple of times. Pat Benatar played here like the year that she was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They did, I saw Lita Ford here. They get half decent acts. So I will give them credit. And he did talk about in that performance. living in Quakertown. Because I remember thinking like, He's gotta say something. I'll give you another example. I'm going to do a show at some point on the Hooters. And Chris has to be on that and I really would like for his wife to be on that as well. Um The Hooters have a song. Doubt. tragedy that happened in Quakertown. And they performed for three years in a row in Quakertown. And I remember the first two times, they didn't say, you're in the town. They didn't say anything about this song. And then finally, the third time, they were like, oh, by the way, this is inspired by.

10:46 People from Quakertown, like, thank you after three years. Say something, goddammit. So Popper starts right away. I remember living here, and I would go to the McDonald's. And you know, like he's talking about living in Quakertown. And I was like, thank God that he did that because you spent a lot of time here. The other thing that's funny about him in Quakertown is there was. a movie made in Quakertown in 2000. And it was originally called Just for the Time Being. But if you look it up on IMDb now, it's called Unfaithful Love, which is a terrible title. And there wasn't anybody really famous in it. A guy that graduated from Quakertown had directed this. It was a real movie. They shot it in Quakertown. They had the world premiere at the theater that I was a projectionist at, and Steve, who you've heard on some of our podcasts. I only bring it up because John Popper was in the movie. And I think he did a song for the movie. So I don't know how he got connected with this guy from Quakertown, but he was so, I don't know, dedicated into being a Quakertonian that he was in this terrible movie. I saw it. It's a piece of shit.

11:53 Um but he acts in it. So in Quakertown, they did not open with Run-Around, but played it second. So they played What I Got, the Sublime Song. That was a nice little cover. Um things are looking up. People might know that song as a Blues Traveler song. They played War Pigs again, they played Regarding Stephen. Carolina Blues was off the follow-up album to four, and it's a good kind of like a southern rock. But finished with Um play uh just a snip I'd like to play at least find some video of this show that I was actually at So, oh, this is actually from the last show. Forget it. I'll play this at the end. The other thing that's great about this Quakertown thing was it was free for me. Um one of the Of working at the brewery in Quakertown, the Proper Brewing Company, was that my buddy Brian, who owned it and was really a cook at times as well, he would cook for the performers.

12:55 And because of that, they would give them free tickets. So we got not only free tickets, but we were right up on the stage. We were, I was five feet away from John Popper the entire show. So it was free. It was close. It was a. It was a really great night. That was the best time that I saw them. The time that was like maybe. the ish that I was talking about. was at Oceans Calling in 2024. Oceans Calling is one of the bigger Festivals on the East Coast. It takes place every year, although not this year because there was a terrible Coastal flooding. in Ocean City, Maryland. And I went with a bunch of buddies. And uh Oceans Calling 2024, one of the highlights of that show is the band O.A.R. Plays it, I think, every time. And I've seen O.A.R. several times, and it's my buddy Ken's favorite band, one of his favorite two bands. And they always do their own set, but then they do another set called O.A.R. and Friends. And they bring up just whomever. It might be people that's also performing at the festival, but in this case, it was.

13:59 People that we didn't expect. So they performed with some members of the offspring. They were on the festival. That was kind of nice. But then we're sitting there and out of nowhere they pulled up Lisa Loeb. Okay, so I got to see Lisa Loeb. I wouldn't probably go out of my way to see Lisa Loeb, but I saw her that day. The one that got everybody going was he brings out Dee Snider. Dee Snider of Twisted Sister basically kind of took over and somewhat ruined O.A.R.'s little set because he wouldn't leave. He played the Twisted Sister songs and he overstayed his welcome, and it was kind of funny, but it got annoying to a certain point. John Popper was there alone, not with the members of Blues Traveler. So I say ish because I didn't really see. Blues Traveler four times with John Popper. Alone this time. The best part of the O.A.R. thing was at the end. He brought out Arrested Development. And that was a thing in the 90s. And I really enjoyed them. That was a major surprise. They weren't on that docket at all, but they came out and finished things up. So that was really cool.

15:01 The last time I saw them was recently. It was this summer, August 25th, 2026, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania at the Levitt Pavilion at SteelStacks. I like to go here a lot because this is a true I think it's what Quakertown's trying to do. It's just a little smaller. This is a band show, but a big band show. Giant open lawn seating. where generally you just go and Find your spot wherever you want it. And It sits in front of the Bethlehem steel stacks that used to make steel for like the war effort and for the steelmaking industry in the United States. Most of that steel was coming out of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. And the old rotten, nasty steel stacks are right behind the stage and it's gorgeous and they light them up in like purple and pink and green. It's really, really neat. So I really love going to the Levitt Pavilion. If you're ever in this area and you can see a show there, they have a lot of free shows. This was not free. This was a major tour that came out this summer, which was Spin Doctors, Gin Blossoms, and then Blues Traveler.

16:09 So it was 90s. overload. A 90s explosion, and this was the very first song that Blues Traveler played that night. [Clip: Run-Around, live] So they play it first again. I love it. They just don't care. It takes balls to come out and do that. And they did it again. They play Run-Around first. And then they did the devil went down to Georgia again. One of the things they did, and I've never heard this song, and partly of the reason they did it is because they were supported by Spin Doctors and

17:29 Gin Blossoms Uh the guy from Spin Doctors, his name is Chris Barron. He's the guy that you would remember from their videos with the beard and the long curly hair. That guy. He didn't have the long curly hair anymore, but he looks pretty good, actually. He looks like Anthony Michael Hall. Like a skinny Anthony Michael Hall. He still in good shape. His voice is great. Spin Doctors were actually really good. That was the one I was like, yeah, we can go on a little late. I don't care what I hear about Spin Doctors. And we ended up hearing everybody. And I was thoroughly impressed by Spin Doctors, I gotta tell you. Like, I didn't expect much, and they totally delivered. But the only reason I bring them up is they played a song called Champipple. It's really funny. So the song was put out by John Popper and the Duskray Troubadours. The song was written by John Popper and Chris Barron from Spin Doctors. And I love it because the song is a reference to Fred Sanford.

18:32 From Sanford and Son, his favorite cocktail, Champipple, which is really cheap champagne mixed with ripple. And the whole thing is about Poor and not caring, and I'm just going to celebrate and drink my Champipple. It was a funky, little, funny song, and I had never heard it before. And that to me was the highlight of that set. He did the other things that you want to hear, and they did end with Hook. They actually didn't end with Hook. They came back and did an encore. They did the Steely Dan song Dirty Work. Robin Wilson from Gin Blossoms, the the lead singer from Gin Blossoms. So it was a lot of fun. We went with some delightful friends and we had like a nineties night. And I I really enjoyed it. So that's the three and a half, I mean three, four ish times that I did see Blues Traveler. Uh you know, I don't know if you count the the solo, but I, you know, still I'm counting it because he was there.

19:34 And uh To see a former Quakertonian still doing well and putting out good music. So, if you have a chance to go see Blues Traveler, I highly recommend it. Especially if it's outside and get a few of your old friends together, like I did. There's a bunch of old people there, right? You look around and you're like, look at us, we're all fucking old. I love it. So go enjoy it with your old friends. And this has been another episode of Ya Gotta See Them Live. I'll see you at the show. [Music]

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0:10 For listening to Pass the Popcorn, the movie review podcast. That's right, yet another movie review podcast on the internet. But here's what this podcast has that no one else does: your hosts, Chris and Tim. Hello and welcome to. Here's the pop. And That's the popcorn. He is a popcorn. We're back, but we're gonna say this right off the right now, right off the bat. Right before we started to record. Luke Luke has a memory. My I don't know about how he he's my son'cause he remembers it everything. Cal did spend that one night with the The milkman. He said last time we recorded Tim said. that we'll have an episode out. you know, in a month and that was October, was what was let's September 4th. And we'll record one today, it's October 4th, a month after Tim said this. Will it be out in a month? It'll be a month as some change.

1:17 But Tim was right. This Tim knew. Sims look to the future. And he and he saw with recording. I, yeah. And I amazingly had off. And today is a Sunday. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. So I went and saw one movie, and then I was. Forced. Don't go physically forced. Do this. You got to do it for the show. And shamed to go see a movie that I actually quite enjoyed. Oh. Say you were so wrong about dog movies. Oh, it's just another dog movie, just another dog movie. There's another dog movie. It was different. Don't talk about this in first. No, we're saving that. Yes. So, but I was talking with Chris on the phone earlier today. As I was driving to see the movie that they were telling me, don't see that movie. It's 20 years old, you dummy. Well and uh Well yeah. We'll talk about Latim C's. That sometimes, sometimes I feel like, look.

2:21 We have a job here, okay? We got to talk about movies that are out now. sees a lot of movies that are not out now. We have a responsibility to our listeners. To our one listener. Hopefully he's still out there. Yeah, Yeah, when he goes when he goes, we go. Yeah. But yeah, Tim, Tim had off today and everything. And he just wanted to catch the movies. And then we're like, well, how about Sunday night? Yeah, let's try to bang it out. Dave's available'cause we gotta help he assist us with his his zooming. So we are back. We have a bunch of movies. We're gonna see we're gonna talk about what we both saw. Then some I've seen and ti within Tim's list of the old ones he saw, let me go back to We both saw maybe a special guest at the end. Maybe. Ladies and gentlemen. Hello Creed. Hello Creed. The king of sting, the master of disaster.

3:23 All right, let's go back. to the oldest one that we've both seen. By any means. Which I had to ask Luke, what was that again? And he said Mark Mark Wahlberg. And Who's like it was a guy from the upcoming Vlade that's never coming out? No, not him. Oh, okay. All right. This is the guy from yeah, yeah. Uh oh no, you know, you know who he played? He played uh Black Manta. That's the Dogman movies. Yes. Yeah. Didn't it get was he who who played Isn't he that crank? Marshallah wasn't it? Mahershala Ali was supposed to play Blade, and now Blade is not. So the guy in this movie isn't Hang. What's the guy's name? Karang? Kang? Kang, no, this is not, this is not Kang. That that was uh, oh my gosh, I've already plotted from from Creed. From Creed 3, yeah. Okay. Either way. Yeah, so by any means

4:24 Um The trailer I thought was intriguing because Eat it out. Mark Wahlberg wears a funny nose. And I was like, I got to see that. I got to watch it for his nose. You don't. You know who he looks like facially in this? With with all the price. Yeah. Yeah. You remember those not the McDonald Land characters, but the Burger Kingland characters. Do you remember those guys? A little bit. It was like there was the Burger King, and he looks kind of like. The shake guy. From there's there's a milkshake character. There was a, yeah, I don't, I don't remember all the characters from Burger King Land, but there was one guy who was like, I think his name was like Shakes or something like that. He shook. He was like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he had a funny nose and he had black hair and he kind of had it pulled back. If I recall, it was like a little bit in a papado and he had a little hat on.

5:26 And uh Mark Wahlberg kind of looks like The Shakes character from the bur from the short-lived Burger King Land. Do you remember and Do you remember when Burr came? And I got one, I was so excited, and the game is so fucking stupid. Remember when they were given out like Burger King Xbox games? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I played, I think we had all of those. Yeah, there was a head like what? There was the racing game. There was the best one was Sneak King. Where you had to where you were the king and you were sneaking around and you had to hand And and you snuck up on someone to give them a whopper. Holy shit, and and you you have to before What's happening now, AI, everything that that's going on. That is a pretty cool. thing to get at a fast food place rather than a kid's meal toy. You could have actual video games. They were like five bucks. Yeah. Yeah. You probably you probably I still have it probably I didn't I don't get rid of it of anything.

6:32 You probably have those somewhere. Yeah. I would think that those, I'd be curious to know what. So that they're going for it. They're gonna eat it or something. Yeah. Sir Shakesalot is his name. Uh, no, I you know what? I am getting mixed up with not Sir Shakeslive, the Duke of Doubt. Oh, of course. The Duke of Doubt. I'll send you a picture of it so you can. Is this movie a true story or based on a true story? Yeah, okay. I find it very interesting, actually. I think Well Mark Walber's character is a real person. And I think it's Based on the concept that this That Mark Wahlberg's character helped out. with The CFPS out. Would help the FBI. But how much of this is actually happened is is debatable. I I thought, you know, you know how we always make make fun. Hey, hey, hey, the Transformer. Hey.

7:38 I Will's, oh, I got Tim Tim's thing. I will say this. I think this could be one of Mark Wahlberg's best acting performances. Yes. Best, definitely best acting performance. The movie itself, I did see it a few times. Because it was playing just at a time when I just, I didn't, I just want to go to the movie. So it was playing. So I just went and saw it. Um Or one day I wasn't feeling very good and I just wanted to see a movie I'd already seen and something I could like nod in and out of. I could just relax and just so beep beep beep beep be Um The movie itself is just okay. The movie itself, well, a little better than okay, but just okay. But he is, he's fucking amazing in this movie. He shined. He really did. He surprised me because he wasn't his normal Mark Wahlberg self. He was, he was different. And he, you know what I hate to say? He acted. You know what I mean? Yeah. He was he was great. I uh one scene in particular, not so much the acting, but the just the way it was directed.

8:41 Was when the two of them were fighting on the, on the road. In the street. Yeah. Yeah. And uh Uh And when and when the main guy kicked him, like the camera, like. Follow like it was like It wasn't so much the camera was shooting him. It was just shooting the kick. So it moved with the kick as and Mark Wahlberg getting kicked over. And I thought it was really cool. I like, I thought, I thought, um, I thought it would that that whole fight scene was great. It looked it looked pretty cool because it looked realistic because when Mark was getting like punched in the head or kicked in the head, like his big ass hair was like really like flying everywhere. And it was like it got messy. You know what I mean? Uh yeah. I I as great as Mark Wahlberg was, yeah. Was it Yahya Abdul Mateen? He was so fucking one note. Like, I that might have been the idea. It was like, Like I guess because he's the FBI agent, he's supposed to be like that tone the whole time.

9:42 Yeah, like he's just kind of like a square and you're like, fuck you, man. Um that's kind of I didn't I didn't really like the acting for the I guess the main character really. I don't know. I did like him. I could one time he snapped when they were shooting his house, I think, and his wife was there. Like, one time you saw the um Not like the calm person just loses shit. And then the car, right? Did you hop in the car? And chase them down and shit? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like like. That was cool, I thought. It was a good movie. This is what I thought was kind of funny though. The whole movie, because you could tell they shot this on a... On a modest budget. So they didn't have a whole lot of money for extras or for. you know, extra cars and that kind of stuff. So the entire movie, like when they're out and about, there's no one on the street. No one is on, no one's walking around. There's no cars. But as soon as he gets in and starts chasing these guys, it's like freaking rush hour.

10:47 Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty dead, then all of a sudden traffic. Yeah, there was no, there was, they lived in a lifeless town. Until he until they they put some money into the car chase. uh as he's chasing them down. Well, how many popcorns? Because I hate this. I always say this. I always, like my first reaction when I'm done. Is always maybe higher or lower than what the conversation is now. And I think this is, you know, I think yours is higher. I think so. And I think that because you really like. Mark Wahlberg. And I like Mark Wahlberg too. I find him annoying, but I think I wasn't so impressed. Of his acting, I really thought, holy shit, this he can do it when he wants to do it. Yeah, I mean And he, I mean, in terms of like physique, I'm like, holy shit, like when he wears the tank top. The guy's like built like a fucking brick shithouse. Like, yeah, well, he's up at like, what is his regimen? Like one or two in the morning. And then he and then he works out as breakfast does he and he goes to bed by like seven. Like he.

11:54 He has ice, he ice baths, whatever. He fucking has a routine that he never quits. I mean, if that's what's making you the millions of dollars. Why not? You put the you put the word if someone was paying me$20 million. To make, I mean, I don't know, I don't think you made 20 million for those pictures, but someone's paying me a million. Someone paid me$55 if someone gave me a whopper. Yeah, yeah, if someone snuck up behind me and handed me a whopper. I'm going to give it 3.25, but I'm going to give Mark Wahlberg. A 4.25. All right, so what's that average, do you think? It d it does it doesn't average. Well it averages to a 3.25. Because yeah, yeah, yeah, Abdul Matin, I give him a two. Okay. And you're right. You you gave it a 3.25. I gave it a four a little bit higher. I think because of his acting, I was just, I was like, Blown away. Like, holy shit, he is good in this. He is, he is, he was good, or he is good, and he uh, and he was funny. Like, there was a lot of interesting story, it was very interesting. I didn't know.

13:03 Much about. Yeah. So yeah, it was good. Luke? Is the Mafia still around? I'm not saying a word on the microphone. On the record. The mafia Yes. They the mafia the mob the mob is still around, yes. Yeah. Luke? Four, two? Okay. The next one that we've all seen. Is the movie, I gotta say it right. Runner. Runner. Not the runner. That's another movie that we're going to talk about. Just runner with our boy, Reacher, with our man, with our stud. Reacher. I don't even know what his name is. Wilson. Alan Ritchson. Right. I think his name is Alan Ritchson. Richson. Not Richardson. Yeah. Not Richardson. I always said Richardson. I think I did too. So the easier way to say his name? Reacher. Reacher. Rich. Yeah. Reacher. Yeah. Reach son. But a month ago,

14:04 And then his wife got divorced. Which broke my heart to me. Cause I thought it Him and his wife, they're after how long? 20 some years or something like that. Yeah. And they have three boys or something like that. And I just said something like he's so nice to his family and his wife and his kids. And like that weekend, news came out. I'm like, oh my God. But Don Richen beats wife. He marries, runs away. They're still good friends. They're great friends. Yeah, that's say that. You s don't you don't you Pick a fight with the fucking Reacher, okay? Runs away with world's biggest Aquaman fan. Um however I love Reacher and Owen Wilson. I sometimes in this one found a little bit annoying. Too much annoying. Too many close-ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the big nose. Of his of his nose. Too many close-ups. That's what you see. That's his that's his that's his thing. But when he's laying in in that in that gurney. Pull back a little bit. Get the camera away from his nostril. Just back up a little bit.

15:08 I had fun watching it. It was a st it was a stupid. Action film that is exactly what I wanted. Something just to take my mind off of the world and just watch Reacher just. Kick ass. For for an Angel Pictures, this one was way more violent. Than I was expecting. I honestly went into this thinking it was going to be enjoyable, but I thought it was going to be like 18 violence. No one actually dies. 4,000 bullets [inaudible]. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And. Spoiler alert, everyone. Okay. Owen Wilson dies. Was not expecting that at all. Like when you walked in this movie, Were you expecting One of the two leads to die, like no, like get shot, get wounded, go on without me. And then at the end, you see him in the arm arm sling. You know, you see, you see him getting wheeled in a wheelchair at the hospital, right? We did it, man.

16:10 We did it, man. Wow. Wow. Wow. We did it, man. I'm dead. Wow. Yeah, wow. Um I yeah, I mean I enjoyed it. This this might be the first angels picture you've ever actually gone to see. But didn't he make the other one or was that not angels? Remember the one with his ordinary angels? His ordinary angels. Was that an angel film? I don't think that was angels' pictures. I'm not seeing angel films because of their content. You're just not seeing nothing. I'm just, nothing interests me. And then Reacher in a movie? Yes. I will see anything that that man does, Tim. Okay. You can watch Richer. He does have Prime. Yeah, Tim, you guys watch why you read it. I do have Prime. I do have Prime. I do have Prime. Yeah, watch it. Right. And then we were you watching the his It's been a meagly. Which we were behind. It's done, but yeah. But anyway. So how many popcorns would you give?

17:11 Reacher. I'm going to give it the same as I'm going to give it the same as, by any means, I'm going to give it 3.25. Oh my god, Luke. This three point two five. Three point two five wow three point two five two got the I only gave The runner, ooh, say maybe because I wanted more. I only gave it 2.75. Well, almost a three. We're all in the same ish. But if you round it up, it's a three. Yeah, if you take Tim's review and ours, it's a three. I had fun. This, this, this man. I like seeing him in in stuff. Yeah. And there's a new Arnold movie with him in it. Yeah. Yeah, so what I want to bag is is that it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the. It's gonna be on Netflix. Yeah, Tim and Tim they're gonna well not gonna see it. Times are going to see movies that are on Netflix, but when they were out in theaters for a week, like that Brad Pitt one. Booth, whatever. Yeah, he'll see that.

18:13 Better hurry the fuck up, Tim, because in one week it's gone. Yeah, I missed what was it? The knives out? The second knives out. Yeah. I missed that one. There's been three knives out, right? I think so, yeah. Knives out, knives in, knives out again. Knives out. What was it? Knives in. Third one. Knives. Half. Half half hole. What was that, Luke? What did you say? I wasn't a big fan of the third knives. But the third knives out me neither. Not as good as the first two. Not as great as the first one. Yeah. Yeah. All right. The next ones. one that we've seen was you know Dave Dave Saul Um Resident Evil. Resident evil. The second movie that we've seen featuring a guy delivering an organ. Behind Rover. The runner. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wasn't delivering an organ. He was, what was it, like a cure? Like a was the card. Yeah, like a vaccine vaccine. He was yeah. Okay. All right.

19:17 But the whole opening he delivered at Oregon. He did. For the first. Just say this: Resident Evil, I played the game. I love it. I love the old movies. Called their stupid fun. Damn, did you ever play the games? I uh I remember playing the first one. I remember playing the first one. We went, this was like how? 30 years ago, at least. I remember going over to to Dorian's house. I don't remember who was there. I don't think, Chrissy, I don't think you were there. I don't think I ever like hung out at his place. He always came over to mine on occasion, but I never like went to his place. I remember going over to his place and he popped it in and we started playing it. Whoa! Yeah, yeah. I remember thinking, I remember thinking, wow. Like, this is like, I remember, I actually remember thinking the graphics were really awesome. Yeah. And I remember. Thinking that it was scary because you're there, and all of a sudden, you're like, I think it starts out, you were in like a house, and then all of a sudden, like a zombie bops out. It was, it was like,

20:21 The first like jump scare, I'm like, whoa. Yeah. But I don't recall ever playing the games after that at all. There's so many, and that was one of the games where. The whole screen like is dark except for your your flashlight on your gun or or or whatever you have. Then you turn corners and then boom, something pops out. Or you hear these fucking weird sounds. And like, what was that? It was a graphic. These games, and they got better, but Tim's right. The graphics, when we were watching it, it was the greatest thing alive. You watch them now, it's like, oh my God, it looks horrible. But at that time, It was pretty fucking cool. And this movie is not like a sequel. It's not like anything to do with those. It's just another telling or another thing. It's a thing. It's its own thing. And Tim. Oh my god, this movie. I think it had it all. It had fucking humor. If this would happen to any ordinary person out and about while they're working and they saw something, you go, oh, hell no. You wouldn't, you would joke to yourself about what you're seeing.

21:27 Yeah. Yeah. And that's what this guy was doing the entire time. He, yeah, he basically was like, What the fuck is happening? Yeah, right. The whole movie. That, I mean, that's the whole movie is. him getting into increasingly more Fucked up situations. And he's just like, Why did it eat? Yeah. Kind of thing. And if you play the game. Like Luke even even said, like it even has like like the the like the golden line like that that like Camera on the gun walking around like the game had when you're going in drawers looking for bullets. For ammo? Ammo. Like, it's exactly what you want. With twists and turns, and I don't know what's coming. I usually like, oh, what's behind the door? Oh, look to the left, look to the right. In this movie, there must have been three or four times I literally jumped back. Like, it got me. It got me some scare, some good scares. There, it this it is, it's it's kind of like scream in that it like is it horror? Is it comedy? Yeah, yeah, it's both, and it worked like when.

22:32 When the old lady is just he's in the house and he looks out the window and he sees this old lady that he thought was dead. Running, running through the fucking field over the fence, and it was tense. Yeah. And the camera pans and the bedroom, and that thing happened. Did you were expecting that? No. You were focused on the story. You were waiting for the old lady to come up to call you steps. You're like, oh, watch out. She's almost there. Nope. something else happened. It was so good. It was so. So good and clever and fun. Our theater was packed, packed, mobbed. And people were like, oh, shit. Mine was pretty full. Mine was pretty. I usually sit close to the front anyway, but I. I I But when I walked in, I was like, oh my God, a lot of people here. Yeah. People got excited when they mentioned Reckon City. Yeah. Raccoon City. But Corporation. Yeah, everything. And I'm hearing rumors that it's just going to be a once and done. The guy that doesn't want to make a sequel, not the actor, the director doesn't want to make a sequel. He just wanted to make his own little. This is my Resident Evil hate.

23:32 That's fine. It is fine. Sometimes movies don't need a sequel. Wait, wait, wait five, six years, have someone else make a resonable movie. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah, we don't need never ending. We don't need never-ending sequels upon sequels of things. James Bond. No, I'm good. Well, well, I mean, it's Big Jurassic Park. I mean, Jurassic Park is like, yeah, yeah, Jurassic Park. Everything after that? Hails. pales in comparison. Yeah, this remember Dave did jump Tim? I think Tim Tay yeah, I can't remember when. Can't remember when. There was a person out of the closet. The dog's head comes from the dog's head. That's the one. The dog's head. The dog. Yeah, the dog was. It was it was good. It was it was one of the the best. I know obsession is is one of the one the back rooms. Like this year of horror movies has has been good. But but this beat obsession.

24:35 What open a weekend? Or just in Box Office? Yeah. It was good. Compared to Eve of the franchise and people. Enjoy that and all. So. How many platforms we have? It's got the name Brand. Resident Evil you don't know mine. I've got a fork. I am also giving it. A four point one. Oh, but this is weird. I actually wrote down a 4.25. So this is high up on our list. This might be. End of the year is One of the in the in the top 10, and all you know, because it was surprisingly. Good. It was entertaining. It made you laugh a lot. And it made you fuckish at your pants too. Not not that I speak for the entire world. But You know it's a good year for horror movies when I have seen at least that is true. Tim is a scaredy car. I well, I especially don't like the ones with like.

25:43 Demons and like jumping and ghosts and occult stuff. I'm just like, yeah, like the conjuring or insidious ones. Yeah, I yeah, because there was like what? There were 14 conjurings and 23 insidiouses that came out. Correct. All in the same directive. Yeah. But what's funny is. We went to that vampire museum and Tim took a picture of Pazuzu. Which I will say this: that is the most fucked up thing a human being can do. Tim didn't care. He went right up to that thing and took a picture and looked at it. Don't look at it long is what it says. Don't stare at it long. We get possessed. Tim looked at it long, took out his fucking iPhone, zoomed in, took a picture of cheese, and I'm like, you're going to be possessed in a half an hour. But he won't see a horror movie. I know, I know. And then I was like, wow, this holds just big enough to let's see what happens. Tamar said in there. Well, Pazuzu is giving me a Balulu. That was a prefect date. Do you still have that picture on your phone? Do you? Probably does. I don't, probably not. I don't care. I don't want to see it. His phone's possessed. I don't care.

26:51 I don't I don't think I have it on my phone. Did you like the old Resident movies? Yeah, I thought they were fun. I love her, and I just love how they connected to the game and sold the Pazuzu. Oh, I do. I do still have the Pazuzu. All right, well, keep it to yourself. All right. I don't want to see it. I don't wanna I don't wanna you don't look at it. Are you looking at it? I'm looking at my dumb face. I'll send it to you. All right, well Tim's sending it. Let's let's go. Luke and I would just tell you a bunch we've seen. And Tim can say about TC and they will close up the show with The rest of the shit that we saw. Um Luke and my oldest movie that we've seen was Fall 2. Fall 2. Isn't there a tagline or a colon? I don't even remember. Fall 2. Dead point don't fall again. Tendency Fall 1. This one does. And I guess you got to see. You don't got to. You should see Fall 1. It connects to Fall 2. Um What's weird though is in the first one, two girls go up this pole. One of them dies, blah, blah, blah. And this one, the girl in it.

27:58 is her sister is the pole oh yeah It's a dead girl's dead girl's sister who, you know, is sad in the house, and being at her house. Then Friend, there's a s who is a girl who just sh who just shows up. She she first he said what? She Like she was lying that she knew the sister. She was lying that she knew the sister, but she didn't know the sister. Like a friend of the sister. Right, but that was one big lie to get her. Her sister to go to this place somewhere and climb this like mountain and blow. It's insane. But then the definite Era. If someone did that, let's say I'm the sister that with the dead sister. Okay. If someone did that and said, hey, why don't we go climb something really high? I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. That's what you know. My sister died doing something stupid. I'm not doing that. You can do it all you want, but I am saying low to the ground. That is what I said the whole time. Like, this girl had no experience. Her sister, who did this movie, had no experience doing anything. And I finally said, okay, in an honorable, it's like, no, you don't know what you're doing.

29:11 Listen. Sometimes people deserve to die. I know I'm not saying her sister deserved to die, but she who probably didn't die. She deserved it. they they they climb up up to this thing and then they have a a person a not like a tour guy tour guide to assist them to a certain point. But then the the back story is that this tour guide, this island's known for smuggling drugs. Cross some kind of border on this mountain area. And then he pretends to help them, but he's just using them to smuggle drugs. And there's a fight, and people fall and everything. It's pretty lame. I like the first one more. First one was more with with, yeah, it was more intense. This one was like, all right, this is kind of lame. But um What's a good follow up to, buddy? That's what I gave it. I gave it to With it one one more than fall one. Two. Yeah, really. Um next one onslaught.

30:14 I was like, ooh, it's getting good reviews. Is that someone Michael Bean? Yes, Michael Bean and that girl came it reminded me of like a Tarantino. All these other movies that are much better compared to Terminator. Terminator, yeah, Terminator. It was pretty lame and the action was lame and the acting was was bad. I like I like the cast. You have Dan Stevens, Eric Wareheim, who I love from Tim and Eric. Dan Stevens was in it like a little bit too. So Jiao Powell. Sergeant Al Powell was funny to watch him, you know, kind of kick ass. Yeah. Rebecca Hall, who I like. And the girl from Andor, uh Edria Ar Arhona. I don't know. It's just I guess I want it more. I want it for the height that I thought everyone was raving about it. And I go in there and I'm like, this is why people are raving about it? I didn't really understand it. Much I didn't know. This is poop. This is poop. We'll come in for once slightly. Ah, like the more than me, 1.75.

31:19 is what I gave it. The next one. Tim will never see. May Day. on Apple Plus. Ryan Reynolds. And Kenneth Branagh? I think the Desolate Isle guy. Yeah, that's what now. That's the guy right too. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I like I like Kenneth Branagh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like him too. Um What were they? It's been we saw it once. I'm like, oh, Maria Bakalova's in it. I like her. David Morse. Yeah. They're both pil like one's like I think Ryan Reynolds was like a he's a pilot, right? Like a top gun pilot. Yeah. And who is Kenneth Brown? He was like from Russia Russia. Oh,'cause Ryan Reynolds crashes in in in in Russian territory, then this guy takes care of him because He loves America. His whole what's kinda neat, his whole pad is like You know, Rocky Poster or COVID. The stuff that he loves from it. He loves Top Gun. Yeah, he loves Top Gun. And

32:21 New York stuff and he just loves the American life and pop culture. I don't even remember like the story and the plot. Yeah, why was he even there? Why did he crash? Then he brought him back. Lieutenant Troy Brennan's reconnaissance mission over Soviet territory goes awry. Forcing him to crash lame and survive in Russian wilderness while evading capture or rescue. It it was I I like uh it directed written and directed by John Francis Daly, who uh is wrote Spider-Man Home. Uh Was it home? He wrote Homecoming. He wrote Dungeons and Dragons and he directed a bunch of things. Yeah, I love that guy, John Francis Daly. He used to be on Freaks and Geeks. He was a little kid on Freaks and Geeks. No way. Yeah. I know I know and as soon as you sat in the Peace and Geeks and the little guy, Holy shit, I didn't know that he like wrote movies like that. Yeah, he's like. He still acts, but he does he does a lot of like behind the scenes stuff. And he wrote Dungeons and Dragons?

33:27 More from Chris Pine, right? Is that the one? Yeah, yeah. The one that sadly we likely will never get a sequel to, but That's the problem. Things like Dungeons and Dragons and Master the universe. They don't do super well in the theater. even though those movies are are good. Like more better than good. But yeah, we get like 55,000 Jurassic parks. Yeah. Yeah, I and I I loved He-Man, Master He-Man. I thought that was so much fun. I had a blast watching that. I cried like a baby during all those all that those scenes. I laughed too at a lot of scenes. May Day, I don't it's Mayday, May Day. I don't I forgettable. It's it's for very forgettable. I'm afraid to look at my review. Yeah, all right. Luke, how many popcorns would you give it? One and a half. I don't know what I was thinking. Two and a half. The only thing Mayday shares with Masters of the Universe is an M at the beginning. Um then we saw

34:29 A movie with Gal Gadot called The Runner. Was that on Netflix? I think. Netflix. It's kind of like speed, but with a human body. Like, she had to keep running to certain lo locations. Her son was kidnapped. Right, buddy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she had to run. It was like, it was like speed and die hard with a vengeance. We had to run from spot to spot, pick up the phone. Do this and go over here, pick up the phone. It wasn't bad. I love her. I think it wasn't her doing it, I would have liked it less. But seeing her kinda like do her thing and kick ass, she is Believable. I like her, but she's not like a great actress. She's not a fantastic actress. Kitchen looks good. Yeah, trying to be a fantastic. She just looks good trying to act. Yes, yeah, yeah. It was entertaining. It was like. It was weird that they came out. runner and the runner came out at the same the same weekend. Yeah, they're okay. But um how many popcorns would you give the runner, buddy?

35:34 Okay, but Mm-hmm. You gave it two oh, I gave it two point seven five'cause I like her. Ooh. Now. I read that was that was for Reacher. I gave this one 2.25. So, all right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got the runner and runner confused. Alright, the we got two more. The weight. Which we saw this movie because nothing really else was a available to we've seen everything. Ethan Hawk, who I don't know about anyone here. I fucking love him. Yeah, I like him too. I don't know why. I like this with him. Yeah. something about him is his like he can do anything. Um and and Russell Crow During the gold mining times. Yeah. Um Ethan Hogg has a daughter. And during the Great Depression. Right. has a daughter, they're coming home from something. And he's trying he he wants to get a job or something and he walks down this this alley. He's I think they're they're looking for for a new place kicked out of their other that's right they got evicted so they're they're walking down this this side alley peering into this window the cops come what are you doing peering in and they're beating them up Ethan Hall hits a cop goes to jail okay

36:48 Back in this time. The daughter goes until they got a fucking foster home. So he's in this in this. Prison, like he's like, what's what do you do when you go? Hick when you go hit rocks. Mining? Well, yeah, I guess so. But you know how the the jail people go when they have a pick and they're yeah, they're like yeah like chain gang kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. But Russell Crowe wants to use Ethan Hawk and a few of his men. to break in Right? To smuggle smuggle gold back over in whole movies, they there were like five guys or something. And be careful who you meet'cause there's all miners that are just living in the woods. One of the guys is from The Walking Dead. People in the woods who don't trust anybody, and they come across hooligans, and then shit happens, and there's like this lake, this river they got across, and it's pretty tense. Ethan Hall kicked ass. And it's Russell Crowe was good. He was, he was a good. He wasn't in the much, but he was a good. Addition. It looks like he he lost some weight. It does look like he's he's

37:52 Getting better, in better shape. It was a good movie. It was really like a story that I never kind of knew about. The acting was good. And it was a movie of the term. It's going to be out and gone. You know what I mean? Priority is. Yeah, I didn't. It came out. I don't even think it had like full. Daytime like viewings. It had like, you know, 11:40 a.m. and 11:40 p.m. and nothing in between. It was kind of like that. How many would you give it, buddy? or the weight. Ooh, three and a half. It's right. game it. All right. The last one I will talk about, Gutimsa. He's not going to see this, and we'll just get it over with now. We saw it last night with. with Kelly, Dave and Amy. We all went and saw Verity. Carol and Amy both read the book, so they knew everything. I. Before I saw the movie, I was like, I know this is my theory, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean,

38:57 Spoiler alert, I had a theory that she was kind of faking herself in a wheelchair. and everything and I g I I I guess that that part. Um but she had a reason because she didn't want she had kids but with um Josh Hartnett. She was upset because Josh Hartnett now was like sharing his love with his wife. Really jealous. Yeah, and the kids. She just went into a canoe, rocked the boat, tried to kill the kids. And then one of the daughters, the daughter died. But then she wrote other stuff saying that she had no, she had no choice because Josh Harnett was the evil one. She wrote like an autobiography. Yeah, it's so many twists and turns. So the whole point of this movie kind of is who, and then Takla Johnson, I fucking love. They create a villain. Right. She comes on to help finish. but she sees Aunt Hathaway moving around or something and it's like, what's what's happening here? But then here's the thing: is Josh Hartnett the villain? Is Ann Hathaway the villain? Or is the Curt Johnson a villain? And you gotta decide if they're all the villain. That's the thing. Like, who's at fault? All of them are at fault, or who's innocent. They're all kinda innocent. It's it's a weird.

40:04 Book I heard is better, but I predicted the whole fucking movie. I knew exactly, don't trust him. That's not happening. As soon as he came on screen, I was like, why is he here? It's something's going on with that. Who would have thought that Josh Hartnett would be. would have returned to the big screen. In s in such a prominent way. I totally care. Did he take a break for a while? He wasn't anything for a long time. Like, he did this movie. He did the track. Yeah. And Oppenheimer. Uh he was on an episode of Black Mirror, but then we keep going back. Oh, he was in the movie boom. where he was on a plane and we fighting. That was trapped, right? No. Were they on the plane? Yeah, you're right. What was that one? It was like a Liam Neeson movie Tim, him on the plane kicking ass. From that one?

41:06 We have to go back to 2007. Tay Hammer. with 30 days of night. The vampire one. Black Dahlia, Lucky Number Seven, Sin City, Wicker Park. So we have to go back 20 years before. Essentially before Oppenheimer. Before he uh He went he went like Who only has two decades? He was, I mean, he was just like one of the guys. Yeah, one of the guys. Maybe in that room or something, that meeting room or yeah, I remember him in there. But Trap was the first starring role. Like where he's the star. In almost 20 years of A movie that people have. What was that Tim? Are you on his IMDb? It wasn't the one with him on the plane. Just came out recently. Yeah. It was like from the people who made Money Train or something like that. Flight or Flight. That's it. That's it. That did come out in theaters. Yeah. I did not see it. I remember that came out in theaters, but I did not see it. Yeah. I always trained. It's bullet train. I always get this dude's fucked up. But yeah. So, like, it was, it's taken almost 20 years from him being like,

42:16 The You know, what was it most, not most wanted. Sexius or whatever back in the day? Like did wasn't wasn't a movie with like um Uh Harrison Ford. Was that Hollywood homicide? Was that him? I think you're right, Tim. I think you did. I think you're right. Yeah, you go back and It even And even though Halloween H2O, I think, too. Yeah. Uh yeah, Hollywood Homicide in 2003. Yeah. And then Yeah, he was in Cincinnati Wicker Park. Uh Lucky number seven, Black Dahlia, and 30 Days a Night, and then nothing since 2007. I mean, stuff, but right, nothing really, nothing that anybody gave a shit about until. Until he was in, um Most wanted or was that the M night was that trapped M night Shameline? Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's what brought him brought him. Back on all, yeah. It was, yeah. It was, it was, I, it was very predictable, and I'm never gonna see it again. It's a, it's, it's a movie that I was like, oh, I know, I know what's happening here.

43:21 Hey popcorns, Luke. What do you give? Verity. I gave it 2.25. And Dave has the hots for Josh Hartnett. He loves it so much. That was not the name of that. He has the hots for Jack. Dakota Hatt fan. Dakota fanning. I love Dakota Johnson. We just watched SNL. Well, I saw some clips from the SNL. She's great on that show. She is fantastic. The whole show itself was not funny. But when she was doing her little clips of stuff here and there, I love her. And I love the actress. I love her the person. In real life, because she doesn't give a shit. Yeah. She comes on talk shows and just looks, she doesn't care. She just says what's on her mind. If you like it, great. If you don't, I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? She doesn't play the game and it and it and it works for her. Yeah. I think SNL rate ran his course. No, it's just some skits like that go through. I don't know how they go through. I don't know how this is going to be great. And then you watch them like, I need to land him once. I don't know. They they still have a bunch of really good people. My favorite.

44:26 My favorite person on SNL right now, I think Sarah Sherman is my favorite because she's great. She's unafraid. Like she will do it doesn't matter. She will do it like Mikey Day is the shit. Mikey Day is great. Yeah. Michael DeSmook is good. Um who's who's the blonde the other blonde girl? Um Yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah, she's really good. Like, she's very versatile. But I like Sarah Sherman the best because she is so she's unafraid. She, you, you give her anything, she'll like, yeah, I'll do it. It doesn't matter how embarrassing it could be. She'll do it. I love her. Tim, tell us now all the ones you've seen from the past couple of months or from, you know, 20 years ago. Well, I mean, there's a bunch of movies that I saw. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because right now. Or I should say in September. Um Regal was showing a different classic movie every night.

45:28 Day. Sometimes two classic movies in one day. And if you throw in fathom events and other anniversaries, several. So it was like, you picked, it was, it was, every day there was something. Cool to see. So I saw a lot. So like they showed 12 years of slave. which I thought was really great. Um I hadn't seen that since it was out in the theaters. Um we're trying to reth I wasn't going to talk about a lot of these things, so I crossed them out. Out of sight. Which Uh that was like That was the movie that made Jennifer Lopez. Into like a star, kind of like that was that was like not Anaconda 10. Well, like Anaconda and Selena got her into the public eye, but like this, the out of sight was her prestige, but she's fucking sucks in that movie. I don't think she I I don't think Jennifer Lopez is a very good actress. And I thought she was the worst part of this damn movie. But the movie itself is good. George Clooney, this is also the movie that really.

46:30 Like, put George Clooney's like charm on full display. Yeah, that's what he's showing. Yeah. Um what else did I see? Um Zodiac? uh with with uh Jillen Hall and Robert Downey. Also cool movie. Long time since I've seen that one, yeah. Duck Soup, which came out in the 30s. I know. 1930 movie Typesy. The Groucho. But watching that, it's funny watching Duck Soup. Wow, it's not funny by modern standards. You can sort of see like how that movie influences a lot of. comedies that we like. are growing up. So it really is like, it's a really influential movie in that respect. What are some other ones? Um Well I I I saw well I want I saw Transformers. Which you love that movie. Yeah. Transformers is one of those movies that to me is like.

47:36 one of those defining movies of my Life. And you have you have to clarify it's the it's the animated one. Since no one. Yes. Yeah, okay. So I saw it and I actually I paid. Almost as much to see that movie as I pay for Regal Unlimited in a month. Because it was almost as much as you could have gone and bought this at the store. I could have bought the DVD twice for the event of it. But I saw it on 4DX. Which at my theater costs around$26. to see a 4DX movie. Um but it was awesome. Like you got the moving seats. And there were actually a lot of people in there. Like, I was expecting nobody to be in the theater. And I walked in and there was, I mean. For for a a movie at 1245 on a weekday. To see like 15 people in a movie that you have to spend like$25 to see. Yeah, that's impressive.

48:40 I I get I get there. And I and I didn't realize it was at 4DX. It wasn't until I got there I realized, oh shit. It's in 4DX. And and it and it was a fathom event. I didn't realize it was also a fathom event. And I got there late and I was like, okay. Fuck, I got there late. And so I'm buying my ticket, and I'm expecting to lock in after the movie's already started. Uh and I'm like, ah shit. And some and the manager standing right there, he goes, Was he being really like curt and rough, brusque, not rough. He was like shaking me. But he was saying, it'll get started soon. I'm like, what? What is it? I played it. It'll get started soon. He was kind of like that. So you could tell he was like stressed out. And I was like, I didn't know what he was talking about. I thought I was missing something. But I went in there and the movie hadn't started. Like they hadn't. Had some problems. Yeah, they had some problems. So I was like, oh, fuck. So I got to see the whole damn movie. I didn't have to miss any of the beginning or any stuff. So I was like, oh, thank God.

49:48 Um at the end there was a New short. Well, they at the beginning of the movie they showed a tribute to. Peter Cullen, the voice of uh yeah. voice of Optimus who passed away like two months ago. At the end after the tr after the credits. They played a new short, which I guess was the last time he did the voice of Optimus. And at first it was really cool. It was it was supposed to be Optimist. Optimus Prime going into the basically going to Transformer Heaven. Oh shit, so it's So timing, I guess, you know? And he gets there and then and all of a sudden all the the Decepticons that got killed by Ultram uh are uh Ra the Galvatron, sorry, Galvatron. who with Megatron, basically. Um, all those guys, they show up in Transformer Heaven. Gavichona Montana. No, no, no, no, I can kind of say Tim News, Transformers.

50:50 They show up in Transformer heaven. And then they skip into a big fight. I'm like, why are you fighting in Transformer Heaven? That is like, like, what do you think is going to happen? And then it went off the rails, and I couldn't understand what was happening. It sounded like they were setting it up for something else. But it didn't make sense because I believe there was a return of. Optimus Prime in the animated series. but it had nothing to do with this. I'm like, what is fucking and like, like, it's almost like he got pushed into Transformer Hell. Like it started out really cool and then it just went off the rails. I'm like, what the fuck am I watching? So I walked in, I'm like, well, but the first half of that last thing was cool, but the second half was bonkers. I don't know what the hell's going on. Uh transformers five. Okay. What else did I see? Did you ever see? I don't know if I ever seen that. I was never, I don't know if I ever seen that Transformers. Maybe PC and that the whole thing out for me. I saw that opening weekend.

51:59 When it came out in 80. Four or eighty-six, something like that. I was really young. I remember going with my sister. We went and saw it. And I remember getting up. I had to go to the bathroom. I had to pee. I'm like, oh my God, I got to pee. It was after I was already crying because after this prime died. And I got up and I like ran to the bathroom. And I came back, and I remember my sister was saying, Oh, you missed a really funny part where. Where Starscream is getting crowned as the new leader of the Decepticons, and they're playing the horns, and he shoots the horns. It was really funny. So I was like, ooh. But I've seen this on the big screen a few times. He'd be like, damn you, penis. Why couldn't you? So, um but yeah, what uh I did see um I finally saw Buddy Yeah, did you see the single edition or just ordinary edition? No, they were they were showing that today, but I was forced to see a dog movie and stuff. But you liked it. Stop it. Buddy, I thought Buddy was really good. It was very different, but it was sure fun. It was just there was something I had noticed about

53:07 The buddy movie that I that I like. Hey, I like Kristen Miliotti, who you know from the penguin penguin. Yeah, lovely. Um, Uh there was there was somebody who was I talking there was one something I wanted to Was it Delaney Quinn? There was one of the kid actors I was I was like, that they were in something. Uh oh, the the the the main girl, she was in The Roses. Remember that the movie that came out like Yeah, with um Richmond Country that guy yeah, yeah, yeah, where they were fighting, yeah. Um, and one of the I thought that Boy was An actor and stuff. And I can't find him. Oh, Tristan Border Tristan Borders. Was that, was he young Sheldon? I don't think so. I don't think he was. Oh, no, no. He was young Kelvin on the righteous gemstones. He Kelvin's, when they did the flashbacks, he was Kelvin. Because I know that kid from somewhere.

54:11 Yeah, shows so damn good. Yeah, righteous jumpstarts. Yeah. Buddy, buddy, I would give it three, three and a half. And it's sort of, It sort of drug on a little bit. It got a little frustrating. And I'm sad that. That Krista Miliotti got killed. Yeah, but but there's two more Buddy characters Oh yeah, yeah. Out there, which might mean there's gonna be a franchise of buddy Killers. Yeah. I thought it was funny when they were when they showed Buddy, he went into the Nurse's office and like was trying to like grab her ass and everything. I was like, Yeah, it was funny, it was a super fun movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I it took me like It was like it probably about three weeks out before I saw it. I'm shocked. Like movie horror movies come and go, but this one's just Hanging in there, yeah. And uh the last one I'll talk about.

55:12 Well, I saw Cars' 20th anniversary. It's Cars. Great. That was Luke's first movie as a kid. That's first movie. Oh, yeah. First movie he's ever seen in a theater was Cars 1. I saw Forgotten Island. Would you want to see this? They do. It's, I mean, it's. It's it's made by Dreamworks. Um, it's it's okay. I mean, it's it's okay. It's, it's not, it's, it's, there's nothing bad about it. It's just kind of like an onslaught of Noise and colors and all sorts of the crazy stuff. Like it's just like. It's like kind of like anime, but like it really is sort of like It's so kinetic that you're just sort of watching it. And if you're not used to it, it's like, you're like, holy shit, you're like hyper like. throughout the movie. But it it it is it's it's it is good. It's just it's just To me, it just seems forgettable. Right. Which I which I don't I don't think it's

56:14 gotten too many people to go out to see it. I think there's it's it sort of got lost in the mix. So this is one of those ones that might have a second life on. streaming perhaps. Right. Um And today I saw Monster House. Then what year was that out? 2006, I think? I think so was six, yeah. You've mentioned this on out of every ten podcasts. Maybe two episodes two out of every ten, you mentioned how scary this fucking movie was. It is if I mean, well, I'll say this. It's it's it's not scary, scary. Like you aren't gonna watch it and be like, oh my God, I can't sleep tonight. Kel, hold me. But if you were a little kid, you think, yeah, for kids, this is this scared. If you were, let's say, let's say you were on, let's say you were 12 or under watching this movie back then. They do not make kids' movies. like this. I mean, this movie. is like intense for a kids movie.

57:17 It's pretty crazy. Um And I love it. It's really, and when you watch it, It is kind of funny, it's because it's CGI. And but i it kind of looks like 2006 CGI. Um, so it is the house come to life, like it's as it walks or that has the teeth for the windows or doors. Did you ever see this? Yeah, back then, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I took you, or Yeah, I don't know,'cause you were wa I I don't know. I saw 2000s, 2006. You were born in four, so you were two, three. If I took it as a movie, I'm an asshole. It I mean, it really is. It's a it's a great movie. Uh, what how what is it rated on uh on IMDB IMDB oh it rates it a six point seven Just a bad argument. But no, I I th I think I think this movie's oh, it was written by Dan Harmon, who People love Dan Harmony. People love Dan Harmony.

58:20 No, he created community. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He created community and Rick and Morty. Yeah, Rick and Morty. Yeah. Yeah. These are, yeah, this is before he did community to before he did Rick and Morty. So he's uh yeah. There's a bunch of other things he's done. So, but uh so I guess this was like the the thing that pushed him, I guess, to that next level. But yeah, great, great movie. If you haven't seen it, see it. It is really good. Turn the lights. I remember really enjoying it. No, no, I mean, it is scary, but like you have to like sort of look at it from the perspective of like a 10-year-old kid, right? Where it is, and especially if you're not exposed to this sort of stuff. Like, if you guys watch it. Yeah, I think I think you'll think it's good. I think you'll think it's it's it's like It is Scary, but I don't think he'll be scared. I remember enjoying it back in the day, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of shit going on in this movie that you do not see.

59:25 Nowadays, in movies for younger kids these days. I don't, I don't even know if this is PGE. PG or it is it's PG, it's just straight up PG. Wow. Yeah. Let's see what the director did on a Gil Cannon. I don't The name doesn't ring a bell. Oh, uh, he directed Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, Ghostbusters Afterlife. Oh, shit. Uh, he did, um, Those are the those are the main things. Polter oh, he did he did that that poltergeist a few years ago. Okay. It's it's not not my poltergeist, but They were still entertaining why. Not my president, not my poltergeist. Then my president, then my poltergeist. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Those are the movies. That's it. We got a few more. We got four more. You saw one old movie. And then see. You know what we say? A teen walk.

1:00:26 Timos. Right? Well, there's that and and there's another one, which is now the the highest grossing movie of all time. Ow. Edging. Well well sir Tim, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We we also What's it called? Convention and endgame encore. I saw Teen Wolf after a convention. Me, you, and me, Luke, and Dave went and saw Teen Wolf at theater in the same parking lot. Fucking love Team Wolf d Death. And it's on the big screen, so you can look at the look at the wiener. Well, on the big screen, yeah, you can see it's a shirt. You know, it is what it is. I just, there's a rumor. But there's a part in the movie that makes no sense. What part's in? It's when he's telling. Looking in the mirror, a vangist? Yeah, that like, is that a werewolf power where you can just vanish and warp to another spot? Like, he just vows and it vanishes. Yeah. Jeez, Louis. Jeez, Louis. It landed on my face, dad. Yeah, it was fantastic. I love, I love Teen War.

1:01:28 Um yeah, we all saw Avengers: Endgame, right? Avengers: Endgame and game. Avengers: Endgame. A long ass movie, but goddamn Tim. This movie's fantastic. I forgot how fucking great this movie is. I really wish they had released a double Infinity War like a week or two earlier. give us the opportunity to see both rather than coming in halfway through the story. Granted. Anybody that went and saw this movie that hadn't seen the other one. They were truly, yeah, they were truly betting on people. Coming back to see it again rather than going back to see it again. It was the top movie of that weekend. It was sold out. Like, no one's ever seen it. The same scene, Catch the Hammer. People were applauding all over again. When's the last time a re-release years after? Was the number one movie. I can only think of like the special editions, the Star Wars. I was going to say, the Star Wars Special Editions, this comes to mind.

1:02:33 Nothing else re-release isn't a top film. Was it the top film this weekend? I think it was. Was it? I don't know. It's because I just saw an article saying that it just beat it. Avatar or whatever. And this goes back and forth. And now this now the Avatar again has the highest Now, when you saw this, did you see it in their whatever they call the Infinity Vision? No, because I heard that's a bunch of shit. I heard there's this one lie, so people think nothing. They're saying that it's calling that'cause of the movie Affinity Wars. There just it means nothing. It's nothing new. Yeah,'cause I I actually s I thought I saw Uh on something where it said the the movie was You know, such and such in Infinity Vision, and then there was like a standard version. And I'm like, what's the difference? I don't think anything. I believe, I think it's for nerds who want to see it watch so Infinity Vision. I could be wrong, but I read that it was nothing, there was no changes. All right. There was nothing. The only thing new about this was the, um

1:03:35 Three and credit scenes? Was a four. There was, let's see, there was, yeah, there were, there was that. The added thing right at the end with Captain America. There was the Hulk. Talking into a camera, and then there was the thing all the way at the end. Okay. Own Wilson. Oh, there was four of them. There was an Owen Wilson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was there was four of them. Oh, yeah. Am I right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.'Cause'cause The original ending is Captain Agent Carter and Captain Marango just dancing in their house and then it just stopped. Yeah, right. That shows you like Robert Downey Jr. and his autograph, and like everybody. But then in this, was it Loki? Was it it was Loki that came into the yeah, Loki knocked, came in and said something, and then and then it just ends in the new version. Yeah, yeah. In this encore, whatever it's called, he comes and goes, I have naked pictures of you. I'm not that. Then what was the scene after that? The the Hulk one?

1:04:36 The Hulk, which you and I talked about, and I said. It reminded me of like when you get on like one of those like Abusement Park rides where you're like in a thing and waiting for the line to leave. You're waiting for the line to get on. Either waiting for the line like on the TV screens, or as soon as you get in, it gives context to what the storyline is on the ride you're about to take. And that's what that reminded me of. He's like, I'm deep in the, I'm deep in the, you know, 200 feet below earth. And after my recent events in New York City, You know, so it's like, oh, okay, the whatever. So that was right after this new Spider-Man. That's what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah. He got not arrested or whatever. He fell, collapsed, and then they took him away. And now he's, yeah, 200 miles or feet under the under earth. And then Dr. Doom appears and says, What? I need your help or something. Are you going to help me? Yeah, you don't see Doctor Doom, but he's like, Damn. I came to touch your hook wiener.

1:05:37 That was the second one. The third one was Don Wilson from the show Loki about the multiverses collapsing, colliding sure rounds in it, and like shits going down. The whole I did not see that. I did not see that scene. Now, see, hear me out. What, Tim? No, no, no, Tim's right, I think. Tim. And I saw rumors of this. I heard he was seeing it in IMAX. There's an extra scene. And this might be it now. Okay. That might be it. Yeah. Cause I, that scene did, because I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? That scene was not, because I saw it where I just saw it on standard. And it wasn't even on like a big screen. It was like theater three, you know. Yeah. And so that's where I saw it. So I didn't see it on any of the special things. Did you do? I guess. Did you see the the T V shows, Tim, or no? The Loki uh yes, yeah, I saw Both of those. There were two. Yeah. And that's all it was. It showed you Owen Wilson walking down a hall into his job, whatever. And then there's a room of TV screens. It shows you all the.

1:06:42 Multiverses. Colliding, like the big round circles are, I guess, planets, and they're just colliding with each other. And then over here, oh my God, we have one over here. And you hear, I got one, I got seven so far. Oh my God, I got 180. And the very last one was, that's like the short round say it. I think so. Someone said that. And then the last line was, oh my God, there's 3,000. And then I was like, oh, I love you 3,000 kind of joke, I guess. Pun. All the multiverses are just colliding, collapsing. Then the end scene was so that means they're colliding. It's gonna be like one earth. Well, well, that's why I think in this new Avengers. The old X-Men from the 90s, and then what's happening now, they're all just like everything is just. Binary. I don't really know. And then the end was Tony Stark. The hammer, which was the Iron Man, ended that way. But in this one, he's building his Doctor Doom ship. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, it's like from Going back 20 years to him hammering out the Zion Man mask, but it was the Victor von Doom mask. So it kind of makes an alternate universe of him in this time was building his Dodge of Doom shit. After seeing this, I'm more excited now for Doomsday. Yeah. Oh, well, I was excited to get away, but this is like a tease. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, in the new trailer, they say, like,

1:08:04 You know, Victor von Doom was the smartest man on the planet. You know, it's kind of like what? Tony Stark was, right? Tony Stark was, yeah. So it's, I think, I think that's, that's pretty cool. Do you think he's going to be an Iron Man in this movie? They think Ironman's going to show up somehow. They're like, I bet you're not going to say Iron's done. I think Iron Man is done. You might see Iron Heart and you'll see War Machine. Tom Cruise from Leonardo. That was the rumor that he was going to be the first Iron Man. I mean, that would be pretty cool. Tom Cruise, shut up. He needs a movie now. Since then, re-releasing the new Spider-Man with bonus footage. Yeah, did you see that, Tim? They're releasing the new movie again with new footage to connect to. Avengers do you think? Probably. Oh boy. I will go see that. And guess what? So will we so will we absolutely yeah I will go I will go see the re-release of Spider-Man. But it we said. That Spider-Man movie has its

1:09:05 Has its problems, but uh it is an enjoyable. What would you give Avengers? Oh, it's a five. It's a guarantee five. But it's Everything you want. It's it's it's it's I forgot, it's been forever. It whatever it's so good. What are you going to give it, Luke? out of 10 i have a feeling yeah i'm gonna give it a five out of two thousand right i i i i have a feeling if we looked on your paper it would be lower than five would avengers avengers no chris i'm sorry luke i bet i bet luke put it lower than five just to To be different, but you don't know me. Luke, this is his Marvel, is his shit. He doesn't, this is everything that's Marvel related, he he loves no matter even bad or good. He just enjoys it. Look. How many popcorns would you give the Eternals? That would probably be the girl one. Five. No, no. Turnos was it w was bad. How about Madam Webb?

1:10:06 Zero. Zero? Totally? No, I wouldn't give it a zero. Sydney Sweeney wearing the spider girl costume, the spider woman costume is at least a 1.5. Absolutely. One and a half inches. Absolutely. Yep. Tim, wh what's your favorite Avengers movie? What's my favorite Avengers movie? Yeah. Uh I really like Infinity War a lot. I like. A lot of people say that they like that better than Endgame. Yeah, but it's great. But people prefer that. Infinity War is like Empire Strikes Back. It's it's all build up and it's like and then at the end they get fucked. Yeah. And then endgame, while it is great, it is it is a five. Um There is a lot of fan service. If they had taken the fan service out, they couldn't have taken 10 minutes out of the movie. There is a lot of like, hey, we, but it also was sort of a victory lap. It was them saying, hey, it took us 11 years, 10 years to do this.

1:11:13 And we're going to show it off. We're going to show off our success. If we do this, every time the Hawk said that, if we do this, I laugh. But I mean there They're both really good. They're all I'll say the three movies: the Avengers, Ultron, and then Affinity thing. The, I do like the Ultron one, but upon rewatching it, it is kind of like the weakest of the three. Yeah. Age old time, right? I wasn't a big fan there. They might re-release the first Avengers back in theaters next year. It will be the fifteenth anniversary. I'd say that. I'll watch that. Oh, yeah. Anything anything how much how much that shit Paul Row is funny in this. What you saying when the Tomb said Back to the Future and Time Frame on movies? And he goes, How about diehard? Nah, that ain't worth it. Yeah, no, Paul Parwood's great. And man is great.

1:12:17 Uh unfortunately they they screwed the pooch on the last one because they were trying to set up the whole Kang Dynasty crap. And so now that movie means nothing. I saw you out there crying. I was. I was crying all over again. Like it's a brand new movie. When he, when he caught that, I was like, oh my God, this is the moment. And then, and it just brings you back to when you first saw it. When Tony Stark died? I cried when Tony Stark died again, and the little rap of his little. Hart thingy is on it and he's going out and he shows the whole cast. I did tear up during the uh the funeral. And I thought that Tony Stark's daughter was adorable. Like when he says when he says a bad word and she's like gives him the thing and when she's like, I want a hamburger. And then Yeah. That John Favreau. John Favreau is either a really good actor or Or did he got caught up in that moment when he was like, He got choked up and he's like, I'm going to buy all the hamburgers you want. Yeah, yeah, that I think that was the moment I think when I saw

1:13:23 It the first time. That was the moment, like, I was holding it in, and I was like, That was the moment I knew. That he was pretending to be the Mandalorian and the little girl was Yeah. That's what gave him him the idea. To make the Mandalorian. I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna get you all the hammers you want. Okay, give me a piece of pet, piece of puddle, Gorgu, Mandalorian. I saw the the the Russo Brothers want to wants to make a movie about Calamerica returning the Affinity Stones. I'll watch anything. Anything morph related, I'll I'll watch it. All right, we got a few more to talk about. We just saw I'm saving for we'll save one for last for our special guests, hopefully. The next one we saw just came out, and it was Tom Cruise's worst movie opening in 20 years. Is Digger, which is a shame. It's a total shame. It's a total shame because. It's pretty damn good. I'm insane. In context, when they put out that first trailer back around Christmas, they basically were reminding you of all the great stuff that Tom Cruise has done in his career, which I love that fucking trailer. That was cool shit. Yeah, it was a great trailer in the night of the incident. And get ready, he's coming up, Digger. And then.

1:14:41 I guess about three, four months ago, they really started ramping up the digger. Trailers and theaters. Yeah. And I got to the point where it didn't matter what I was seeing. I could have been seeing fucking Gabby's Playhouse and the digger trailer would show before it. It so I was like, every time I sat down in the theater, I almost wanted to show up late. So I didn't have to like see how. So I I thought that When I sat down in the movie, I was like, oh, okay. You know, okay, it's kind of something. And then, just like you, there's a point in the movie where you all of a sudden. Should we spoil it or just keep this kind of secret? Because it's new, Tim. It's fresh. Let's yeah, but let's keep it. Let's keep it a secret. Our one listener. I think probably already seen it would go and see this in theaters beforehand. Let's let's put it let's take it to kind of the bag. But yeah, there is there is there's one there's a moment about what you'd say 20 to 30 minutes. Yeah, 20 to 30 to a half an hour in or something. Yeah, because the whole time you're like you're watching a movie like, okay, well what's going on? Okay. All right. Yeah. And you all of a sudden you you like you prop up and go, wait a minute. Yeah. You you stood up. You sat up. Yeah.

1:16:00 And you're like, what? Is this happening right now? Yeah. And it turns out that. At first you don't really realize what's happening. But it turns out that what you're watching is. A Stage production. Um The life of What is it? Digger, Digger Hawthorne? Digger Rathbone. Is that his Rockwell? Rockwell. Digger Rockwell, yes. And so it's kind of like it breaks down the third wall. So it's a biopic about a fictional character in the future, but in the future, they're looking back at the past. Mm-hmm. Uh so it really is it's like it's like a tangled Concept, but it's so fucking good. It really is. When that tree falls and the giant guy comes out of the ground to fix it, and I'm like, What is happening here? Then you realize Tim was right. It's like a stage play. It's like right before, right before that happened, like,

1:17:05 I thought to myself, this would probably make a good play because it's It's very dialogue driven. So it is, it is like my dinner with Andre. It's just, it's, it's all talk. But and then at that moment, yeah, you it you kind of like you're putting the pieces together in your head. You actually have to work to watch this movie. This is not a passive. Yeah. 'Cause when he's not Digger and he's behind the stage or he's getting changed or he's his he's um learning his lines, he's yeah his his voice is you know Tom Cruise. It's like he's just he's portraying a character as as Digger. Then there's a scene which is like 15 minutes I think. Where he gives a speech to like a Congress room kind of thing. Yeah. That fucking one camera. It looks like one camera. It looks like one take. And it was just a fantastic scene. That is honestly, that is one of the best directed, best acted. Everybody in that, if if that truly was.

1:18:08 Yeah, right. That is one of the Greatest Direction Slash acting ever in a movie. You're dealing with. You're dealing with a cast of I would say there's at least 200 people. In that scene, can I say this? Did you catch it? I did the first time, and I'm like, whoa, did you catch the mannequins? There's mannequins in the crowd. Oh no, I didn't see those. There's around five to ten mannequins where everyone's like, hey, they're jumping up and they're pissed or whatever, throwing papers. And you see just mannequin dummies just like sitting in their chairs. Like they weren't. I didn't catch it. And then later on, there's tall people with their heads bent over. Yeah, there's people, there's tall people sitting at the back. And yeah, they're too tall for the topic. They're too tall in the ceiling. So they're kind of yeah. So there's like for those like four or five people that they're like, yeah, they're crouched and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, there's mannequins, there's people, there's dummies, there's like there's like JCPenney mannequins just sitting down. It was weird. They shot a movie where I worked a bunch of years ago. It was the movie The Identical.

1:19:22 That movie about the the fake the fake Elvis movie. Where it's supposed to be Elvis's brother. Like, if I remember that, if Jesse Abram didn't die, this was his. Elvis's brother. But he was given up for adoption instead of his parents. I don't know if you know the history of Elvis. He was born with a twin. Attention died. No, no, it wasn't attached. No, he was born, and then his brother. Jesse Jesse Abram his name is. passed away shortly after birth like like he was born and then died like ten minutes later. And this is this is the idea that Elvis's parents He lived, but they couldn't take care of him, so they gave one of them up for adoption. Well, anyway, that's neither here nor there. But and I, you know, I work in a music venue and and um They were filming concert scenes. And so they had some actual extras there. But they did put Um dummy torsos.

1:20:25 Throughout the crowd or something or Yeah, they didn't there's the place I work has two levels. They just put them on the lower level. But you know, let's say they had 50 extras. They probably had 150 of these torsos just sort of populated in the seats throughout the to make it look like it was full. That's what this, because I think for like a play. You you do that because you don't have all the extras. So it looks like it's a full room. Yeah. I caught that first first viewing. I'm definitely going to see this again. Uh 100%. I don't know when. I know it's long, but I do want to catch it again and just maybe pay more attention and just watch the performances. But if you're going to catch it. You got you got a week to do it, cause after next weekend, forget it. Yeah. John Goodman was great. Everybody was fantastic. Yeah. Robert John Burke.

1:21:26 The guy who played the general, I fucking love that guy. He's who we met maybe like a year ago. Or he's in RoboCop 3. He's RoboCop 3. Yeah, yeah. And he's in, what's it? Last of us? The last of us. So Luke was like. He's in Last of Us. He's in, he was in Thinner. I like him because he's in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. He plays he plays a basically a CIA. drill instructor in that. And he's really great. So many, so many really good people in this movie. It's just popular. It was, it's a shame because people, it wasn't their ordinary Tom Cruise fix. And th the trailer is is deceiving. You don't really know what you're watching. But When you go see it, you're going to really enjoy it for what it is. It's so it's different. It's a different movie that makes you think and enjoy it more. This is a movie that, by the way, on IMDB, it is a 7.3. So that's pretty good. That's not that bad, yeah. I believe that this movie is

1:22:29 going while while it it might Be considered a flop in theaters financially. I think it's a resounding success. I have a feeling. We're going to see a lot of stuff for award season. But the thing I think, I think this will be reassessed in the future. Very similar. I predict Joker 2. Get a reassessment. And I compare this to Joker 2 in the fact that. I think a lot of people, it's so different. It's different from maybe what they expected. It's different from anything they've seen. And they don't know how to take it. So their knee-jerk reaction is it's stupid. And it's not stupid. It's really fucking good. And so, our listener out there, they've already spoiled it for you. Go see it if you haven't seen it. If you have seen it, go see it twice. Yeah, it's definitely worth watching. And and it's fant it's a fantastic film. That I didn't really care on seeing much. I was like, ooh, I'm really, I want to see Verity kind of more. But I was like, well, that's, you know, Tom Cruise. I got to see Tom Cruise. And I was like, holy shit, this movie's great. He was great. He was great.

1:23:33 And I'm going to make a prediction right now. This is going to be on my top 10 list for the year. All right. Okay. All right. This is going to be on it. Um yeah, and uh Save. did not. He said that he was not interested in seeing it, but I think we're wearing him down. I think so. I think he will He's not going to rush to the theater, but I think when he ever has a a free moment in in in time, he's going to go. Well, he's got to do it in like the next seven days. We don't buddy. But uh but yeah, this one I can't give it a five. But it's gonna get a it's gonna get a uh a four and a half for me. All right, Luke. Bigger? I'm wearing a four. Do you know what's weird, Tim? Is I gave it a four also. Like, I was right with you. I can't give it a five. I'm not, it's not like a perfect film. But I was like, God damn, was this this really good? So I I gave it a four to him. Like a really yeah.

1:24:35 Nice, fresh, buttery, salted four, like the best four you ever ate in your life. I don't I don't give I don't give fours very much. I really don't give fives very much, but a 4.5. Pretty good. There was a a lot of Trump stuff in this. Yeah, Trump connections big time without saying Donald Trump. It depends on it depends on I this is what I think and I think I said this to you on the phone earlier today. It depends on where you fall on the political spectrum. You could watch it and say, oh my God, this is all woke bullshit. Like, if you're on the conservative end, you could say, this is all woke bullshit. You know, fuck these guys. If you're on the left side, you could say, oh, this is all anti. Trump, this that or whatever. Or you could be the person that identified that, no, no, no, this guy's, this guy's got it all right, you know. Yeah. So you stand, yeah. Yeah, everybody's gonna have different perspectives. So Um So yeah, I'd I do. I'm sure we'll hear from different sides, different opinions on

1:25:39 how they feel this movie is in terms of its political. Ideology, I guess. Alright we got two more to go, one we're gonna talk about now and then hopefully the special guest will be on. For the end. The special guest and this is the one that supposedly Tim was forced to go see. I'm glad he's seen it. I I they sent a hitman to my house, put a gun to my head. and said, you're going to see this movie. Tell us what you've seen and tell us how wrong you were because you were so against seeing this. I wasn't against seeing it. I just didn't. I was like, I had other plans for the day, and it didn't involve seeing this. So I went and saw monster. Uh Monster House earlier. Okay, okay, all right. So I went to some Monster House, and I was literally in the parking lot for Monster House, and both everybody in the Irons household was telling me, Go see the dog movie, you idiot. And I'm like, but I might have seen the Monster House. And that's exactly how Tip sounded. Yeah. You don't know me. So.

1:26:49 And and I so I go in and I get I get my ticket for for Must. And I did say, well, if there's show on afterwards, I'll make it a double feature. I won't do what I was going to do. I watch this movie for you guys. So I get and I sit down and I look up when this movie is planned. Because we had also planned also to record the show. So I had to be back by a certain time. Right, right. And if I had stuck around my theater to watch. Heart of the Beast. I would have had to wait like another like hour and a half. And that wasn't good. Right. But I looked at a different theater, one that's closer to my house. That wasn't showing Monster House, by the way. I saw that if, as soon as Monster Ass is over, if I get into my car and high tail it there. Fast enough. I'll get there. near the end of the trailers. To see Heart of the Beast. Did you make it in time? I want to know. I did. I did. I got there and there was one.

1:27:55 Trailer left. Was it digging forth? No, it was not digger. We have finally, we are in a post-digger society when it comes to trailers. Um And You know, I told Chris what I what I predicted. What was your theory of what this movie was going to be about? I was like, oh, it's just like your average dog movie where a guy is saddled with a dog and at first he doesn't like the dog, but the dog ends up saving his life. And I will tell you this. Go ahead. None of that was true because spoiler alert, at the end, the dog does not, in fact, save Brad Pitt's life. You were totally right. You're exactly right, Luca. You're exactly right. But yes, it is. It is a. It is a very uh Intense movie. Where you feel the bond of the kinship between man and his beast. And to be honest,

1:29:03 Uh while Brad Pitt does die. He p i had he not had the dog, he would have died. way sooner because you could tell he he had problems. He had shit going on. But the dog. Yeah, Tim's right. Christ Almighty, Tim, you're right. If the dog wasn't by his side, he would have died. Days earlier, there would be no heart of the beast. It would be Bradley. This would be his heart stopping. Yes. Yeah. He would have put a. He would have been a uh Statistical casualty. way before the this this movie ever And did you cry temp. No way though. Um No. No, you have no heart. You have no heart, you fucking beast. I don't have the heart of the beast. I have. Bill Hark. I cried a lot in this movie. Dogs, and we forget it, but the whole. The whole like, they did whatever it took to keep each other alive. And the whole log, the whole long thing. The dog is like an army dog.

1:30:10 PSD raid, is that what it's called? You know, flashbacks and everything. And the combat lost a leg. Half a leg and it lost part of its teeth. And everything and just It's almost like Castaway, like him and Tom Hanks and the volleyball. Just the acting with you know, they always said don't act with pets or like or kids. But goddamn, Pitt and this dog. What was the dog Odie? Right? Odin. Odin. Odie. Well, Odin, but he calls it Odie. God damn, like the the the like the Bond, the acting, give this dog this. This dog's not up for a fucking Oscar. I'm going to be upset. Yeah. Yeah. He, I mean, it was, it really was like a really well. Done movie. It's another movie with a big star that's really not killing it in the box office. I'm shy because people love dogs. I know. There's there's just kind of a crowded crowded um Thing right now out in the theaters. Like, there's the horror movies that are catching people's eyes.

1:31:12 I think well, and also this is this is sort of the time of year when Movies People just don't pay attention to September, early October movies like, yeah, ever. Oh, I mean, they never did. It's always like the end of the no one cares. Yeah, and these movies come and go. Some of these movies are out of thinking and they're gone in a week or two. Gone. But these are all like, I honestly think we've had a lot of really, really Quality movies over the past month. This has been one of the best months for. You know, you have the big tentpole movies and the big action things, but this past month has been a really good month for. Um, these sort of movies, like character pieces, uh, character-driven and uh dialogue-driven movies. Even even Digger, you know, is a dialogue-driven movie. It's a spectacle, but it's a dialogue-driven movie. And and the whole the whole thing and this thing is that when you think Brad Brad Pitt, he's like he's bleeding out, he's bleeding out, and they're on that. Rock log and then you raise this like letters to so for the dog to find someone new and whoever finds them reads the letter.

1:32:17 take care of my dog and this is what he likes, this is what he he doesn't like. Like they just Letting the dog live on and the way. Don't get upset when he has peaked. Right. Just talk to him gently and calmly. And then when he's, when, when, when the, when the girl finds the dog, and the dog's like looking out in the woods and looking at the car and looking at the woods, like, it knows that. He has to move on. Oh my God. And the dog wasn't like how crying on him. Cowling and crying on him. Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, that whole time. I mean, that was sad. I didn't, I didn't tear it up. Uh, the uh the scene that kind of got me a little bit was. Uh spoiler alert, everyone. I know we've already said spoiler alerts, so continued spoilers. Right. More. It's a plane crash and the dog gets sucked out. I did not. That would happen. No, no. Well, that's CGI. That was CGI dog, yes. Yes. Yeah. And CGI Bear, by the way, and CGI wolves. Yeah. Yeah. All the animals were CGI. Yeah. Except um when when he

1:33:17 When he uh Sees the dog. He's walking through the wood to find him. Yeah. And the Brad Pitt, again, you know. you know, great job with that. He, when he goes, when the, when he Yells out like, like, was he going, Oh, yeah. Like the crack in his voice didn't feel like It felt like natural, like, holy shit. How you react. And the dog, for like weeks or days or something, was like. Just laying. It was like, oh my God, what's happening? And then just like a dog the next day and the next morning, it's just staring at you to get up. And it was like adorable shit. You know what another movie had that? The Mandalorian Grogoof. Oh yeah. The drug was Brad Pitt and the man with Lori was the dog. But this was better. Just Yeah, I mean, that one had that one had a mana man. How many Amana Mans were in this movie? You know, there's a bunch of man's There was a man and a man and a man, a man, and a man and a man and a man.

1:34:19 Well, it was kind of like a love letter to Army dog. Army dog. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was good. I mean, I, I, I, I did enjoy it quite a bit. I'm going to say this. Tim just said earlier that I think I'm very. Generous on what I raise stuff. And Tim doesn't give fives, but I gave this a five, Tim. Luke and I gave it five. If it's a if there's a dog in a movie that's definitely popcorns guaranteed. So if there's a dog and a man in a movie. It's and if it's man's brand, but if they blend together to form a super okay beast called Dog Man, no, I would not give any animated film called Dogman anything, all right. What would you g what would you give how many would you give Tim for um Man the Beast. We gave it a flyback. How much? Seven five. Coming from you who was really Tearing this movie apart before you saw it. I will I will take that. Okay. I it was this was just like one of those ones where like

1:35:25 And I guess, again, I don't want to speak for the entire world and represent the entire world. This was one of those movies where I was just kind of like, Okay, whatever. You know, but I'm glad I'm glad I went and saw it. Unlike there, there were what was the other? You want to know what probably turned me off to this movie? And if they didn't cast Brad Pitt, I think they would have cast Mark Wahlberg. In this movie, this is this is a very Mark Wahlbriggy type movie. Yeah, I can see that. But I don't know why I kept thinking uh of that Mark Wilberdum with Arthur the King. Oh yeah, well he's running across the the yeah and I was just like I was like this is gonna be fucking Arthur the fucking no no this movie you love that movie I think you gave that movie 12 popcorns No, I told you. If it has a dog in it, it'd get three automatically. Except Dogman. If this movie had a cat, would you like it more? A cat wouldn't do this. A cat would live red, die, arrows. Yeah. The cat would have got out of the tree and you'd never see that cat again. Did it live? Did it die? Who knows?

1:36:31 All right, we got one more to talk about. And hopefully we have a special guest on. A special guest. A special guest. Is he listening into what we're saying? Fast mover, please have a seat right there. Have a seat there. Yeah, have a seat back over there for you. Farmer, please have a seat right here. Would you have a seat right on the uh stool there? There he is. There he is. Dave, why don't you have a seat? I just did. He really wanted to be on just for the prime time because. Dave and I Adore the movie prime time, not the content. All right, let's just make that straight, right, Dave? What are you doing here? You should show you how this looks. There is, I mean, this clip, this is two straight minutes of him just telling people to sit down. Mm-hmm.

1:37:33 Yeah, it was uh One of the best performances of the year, right? I mean, I know the year is just getting started with the Oscar type things that will be getting a lot of attention, but I hope this does. I know it's early. I I think this this movie was Robert Pattinson, like I like I told Tim earlier, for all of a sudden, Pattinson is just like. He can't do no wrong. And he's before, he can't do anything anymore. He can do anything. How many movies has he done this year? Like he's he's uh let's see what he's got. The Roman Zenzi the Zenz and Daya Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Primetime, Odyssey, the drama. So, and Mickey 17 that came out last year. He's got Dune coming up. Uh so he's four movies this year. And and he'll be I mean, uh Doomsday will be enormous. He's not in that, but those other three movies, he's he's going to be in three of the four top-grossing movies of the year between Dune.

1:38:37 Odyssey and well forget drama. Two of the top gross women of the year. I never, I didn't even see the drama. That came out and Uh and I missed it the first week and then I I just never was never able to get back. It's on something now, right? Dave did didn't you watch it on something? Yeah, it's on HBO, I think it's HBO. It's really fucking good. Yeah. Mostly because of him. I mean, she's great too, but like... Holy shit. He he can't do anything wrong at the moment. There's something about this movie, though. I think Tim's. No, Dave, you told me that for the real Chris. Hansing is fighting it. They say in his night a great portrayal of him. He's trying to sue 824. Is he really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's he's he seems like a he said it's like ruining his image. Doesn't even have an image anymore. He continues to do this show under a different name. His name is not Chris Hansen. Nat Chris Hansen? No, the it's not it's just not Dateline NBC. Oh, okay.

1:39:40 I think it's called Something just this. Down with Chris Hansen. Okay, there you go. Is it really controlled? Okay. They're still doing it. Is it still th these situations? I think so. Yeah. Holy shit. That's probably easier to catch people now because everybody thinks that's off the air. So like, oh, I'm going to go. Right. Do this, then, whatever. Well, well, I I told Dave, like even like I don't know what is within these people's minds, but when you're in a stranger's house thinking you're going to do something with, somebody underage and someone walks out. Why are you sitting down? Why aren't you running out of there, jumping out of a window or something? Like, why do you... have a cookie. Well, I don't understand, you know, everybody. Everybody. They panic or you know the and I then maybe they're just showing the ones where they do sit down and have a cookie and the rest of the people just bolt. It's it's not f that part's like that's not exciting television. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have Tim in your

1:40:44 Audience Definitely men who were watching this as a instruction manual, things not to do. I don't know. Uh Because I wasn't really paying attention to who else was in there. But I'm thinking if other people are looking at men coming in, I came in by myself. Website. I i if if I sit in a in a um Stadium in a stadium seated theater that has like a that has like the uh Where you come in, you can either go down or go up. I like to sit in the back row. of the down section. So I like to sit pretty close to the theater or pretty close to the screen. Not super close, but close enough. So I'm sure that people saw me come in. And they go up there's one of them. Sit yeah, yeah, sit down at in that, in in in, you know, in my seat.

1:41:45 And I don't There might have been two people in my role also, because I seem to recall. The theater was I had a lot of people. Like, I couldn't sit in my normal seat, which is row C, seat six or seven. Uh So, but I think I had to sit over a little bit. I do believe there were two other people in my row, but it was that the theater was. Uh, it was a well-attended show. It wasn't a sell-out, but it was a well-attended show when they went, I wasn't looking at people. We looked around, it was all older people. Yeah. And maybe a few y young girls who maybe just wanted to see Pattinson. But it was, it was couples. I don't know if even if I saw a lot of like Older men by themselves. I wonder how this did in theaters because this is the kind of movie. Not not that not that it's like an erotic movie like Showgirls. But this is kind of one of those movies where

1:42:47 You don't really want to tell people you went and saw prime time, even though there's nothing wrong with it. But it is, it's kind of, oh, yeah, no, I paid money, I put money down. To see prime time. Well, why would you do that? Like, because I want to see a movie. But this is one of those things where it's like, You know, you actually have to make an effort to see this movie. And I think a lot of people would be would feel for whatever reason embarrassed to do that. That's why movies like Showgirls Flopped in the Theater. Because nobody wants to go in except for that one weird guy who would always come in and see all the erotic movies, that special guy that's. came to our theater all that time. the I think people are just like weird to have other people see that they They have uh Um A ticket. I think if if if we worked at a theater I know for a fact, I think Dave would have Kind of dressed up like him as the usher. Everyone who walked in, he would say, why don't you take a seat? I think he would really win the character. And you just have like a stack of papers with you.

1:43:55 He always had like a ream of paper in his hand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It says on the sheet that you bought your ticket three weeks ago on Fandango. Why would you do that? You were the first to buy a ticket for this. Do you th how does that look? Yeah. How do you think this looks? Why do you take a piece of popcorn? I love the performances. Selling Chris, it was a good movie. The performances were better than the movie. Correct. The he was great. Jimmy Olson, whatever the hell that guy's name is. Yeah. He was fantastic. He's going to have a big year because he's in a Thockers movie. Yes, yeah, he is, yeah. When he did the thing where Chris Hanson couldn't Come in because he was having like a nervous breakdown, and he had to confront the guy, and he did the Chris Hansen voice. Yeah. I was like, oh, this is so great. He did it. He did the same thing.

1:44:57 That scene was great. And the woman. That was the producer. I had to look her up'cause I don't know. Her name's Merritt Weaver. She was the daughter in signs, right? Yeah. Yeah. She was fantastic in this. Everybody was good. So was Bill or Ted. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Alex Winter was great. This is what happened to Bill S. Preston, Esquire, when he grew up. He became district attorney. And uh he blew his brains out. Yep. John Hilov Nicki was in it? He played one. I missed. I didn't know even if that was him, which I was like, what? I was shocked. I had no idea. The guy uh the guy that played the actor kid, Skylar Gizzondo. I love that guy. Ever since I first saw him in that the the vacation. Remake, reboot, whatever you want to call it. He is so good and he's great on righteous gemstones and everything. He he he's an actor that I think

1:46:00 Should be bigger than he is. Like he's he's an actor that I think is the risk taker, like taking this, take just taking this role. is a huge risk. I remember telling Chris. When they made Willy Wonka with um Uh what's his name from doing Chalamet? Fallowme. Shampani? I said to myself, I think that the casting of Timothy Chalamet was bad because he's trying to be a star. And he's not wacky and you need to be wacky, kind of like how The other Willy Wonkus. And I specifically said Skylar Gazondo would have been the perfect Willie Wonka because he can do wacky, I think. And I love that guy. Awesome. We did it in this. I like that guy a lot too. This was. This was uh Pretty amazing to watch. And uh Yeah, there were some weirdos in my theater. I mean Jack Fox. It was a there was a couple of people that it was like you had your your eye on them.

1:47:03 Yeah, don't say this that you there was one funny part Moves that. Were we start the mouthwash? Oh, the whole mouthwash, yeah. With his toothpaste and mouth, with how he spat it out. No one does that. There's a couple scenes in this that when it does come on. Those 824 movies kind of seem to go right to HBO when they come on streaming. Right. I think they have do they have a deal with them? Somebody has an 824 deal. A streaming service. I think it is. I think it is HBO. Like it goes right to them first. Yeah, they have like, like, you know, when you go on HBO Max or whatever the hell it's called, there's like, Hubs. Yeah. Yeah. And you can go on like DC and then Turner Classic Movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's an A24 hub. The scene when Jimmy Olson was on the phone with Billis Preston Esquire. And he was like, huh, how's it going? And he was trying to be nice to him. And he was, he, he, he was kind of beating around the bush.

1:48:10 And Robert Pattinson just put his arm out and very slowly pointed to his groin and went. Yeah. Yeah. That's the funniest scene in a movie this year, and it's terrible. It's a fantastic film. I mean, the acting is now see, do you think? what the content is about. will make the awards not touch this movie. I would say that Pattinson will get an acting nine, but I don't think the movie. Best picture. Yeah, a best picture or best director, possibly screenplay. because it is a well-written film. Right. I'm hoping he gets. Some kind of nods. I think Digger will get a screenplay nomination, definitely. Which only made 8 million, Dave, because of you not seeing it. Because you didn't go see it to put it on to 8 million. It's my fault. I ruined Tom Cruise's career. His career is done because you didn't make him$8 million.

1:49:17 Well Sorry. I gave it to friggin. Stone face uh Johnson instead Dakota Johnson. And her s and her stupid face that never moves. Stopping. You should have had her play the person in like a coma because she really wouldn't have to do too much. I know. Yeah, you were born to play this person sleeping. Yeah. Let's go to the day first. How many we do out of five, and then you do ten. How many popcorns we would do? For him. Well, I'm looking what I gave it. I gave it a seven. 10 on mine, so that's a 3.5. I am gonna give it uh a 3.8 Five. Not quite a four. Let's 3.25. I gave it a 3.5. So I think we're all in.

1:50:21 agreement of how The performances is what makes the movie good. It really, yeah, yeah. It really is. This is an actor's film. It's not it's not one that you want to go like sit down there with your I I think when I watched it I did I do think I had a diet Pepsi and a box of snow caps. So And I had that snow. I don't think I've had snow caps in years. I was going to say, I haven't had snow caps since the AMC Quakertown 6. But I I was I was like, I want st I don't want like milk chocolate, I don't want gummy. Uh snow caps. You thought that it was like the least asexual candy to buy? watch a movie like this. Yeah. Listen, yeah, I'm watching primetime. And I don't want the pretzel bites. but I do want something a little sweet in my mouth. I want something semi-sweet in my mouth with little white balls. What do you got? So we have uh the uh snow cops. Oh, someone said, why don't you just take a seat?

1:51:27 I guess I guess the hot dogs were really off limits. Yeah, don't get the hot dogs. The hot dogs were constantly sold out the whole opening weekend. Yeah, like whatever you do, don't get a hot dog and go see primetime. Just don't do it. And if you had a hot dog and he asked for for no bun. Don't do that. I'll just go up, Sarah. What can I help you with? And I just take her my hand, point. Sir they're not cooked yet. Don't care. Yeah, the harder the better. Wow, wow. Well while Dave's all on Dave is any movies upcoming that you're interested in seeing? I don't know what's coming out. I only know because you you Well, well, absolutely, Whale Fall number one, head of the class. Whalefall. Oh, boy. But I don't I don't know what comes out until you text me and go, hey, we're going to see. Piece of shit. Do you want to come enjoyed it? Yeah, not for next movie coming out next week. Next week and next time, I ain't watching recording anything. I'm watching that movie. What's it called? What's it called? Animals. Animals. That's fucking fantastic. Pim can't watch it. Nope. Netflix. Nope. Well, next week, there's a bunch of movies coming out next week. There's two mother-related movies. There's Other Mommy.

1:52:45 That's definite. And there's your mother, your mother, your mother. The fuck is that? Mahershala Ali, Giancarlo, Esposito. I don't, I think that's kind of a thriller. Uh and the social reckoning is coming out. Ooh. Uh and An angel picture. Actually called the angel of the bad man starring Zachary Levi. Neil McDonald. That is the hardest no of all hard no's. I'm going to see that. You think I'm going to give Zachary Levi one? dime for his political agenda. No way. Fuck that guy. What's coming out after that? October 16th. Street Fighter. That's what yeah, which I'm seeing there. I think it looks stupid fun. Uh sets and sensibility. It it seems like they make sense and sensibility every like five years. This new sense and sensibility. Yeah, that's true. Uh those are those two. Then clayface, which which I'm looking forward to.

1:53:52 The catalog mentioned Batman somewhere in this movie. Somewhere. I think I think there's going to be a lot of Batman. Easter eggs. Yeah. It's gotta be wild wood. I ain't seeing that. I don't know if this comes on theaters. I think it is. The LEG, Who Is I? I think it is in theaters, Tim. Yeah. I'll see it. Uh after that. Wicker, I don't know what that is. Christmas at the Kringles. Peter Skarsgaard. He's a man made out of Wicker and he fucks Olivia Coleman on the back of the fucking. Okay. Oh, yeah. I did see the trailer. Tim. Oh, okay. Yeah. And another of my Super tall. Well, it has my super tall crush. And my little, little tiny man, Elizabeth DeBicky, is in it. and Peter Dinklich. Um And as we get to about a month from now, when we're probably going to do the next Wild Horse 9, Godzilla Minus 0, Cat in the Hat.

1:54:57 So those are the movies that we'll probably see between now and then. And me with a bunch of classic movies thrown at, I'm sure. Yeah, Dave, he said he talked about duck soup today for six minutes. But on the 18th, we're going to see a classic movie. We're going to go hopefully for double feature at the Regal, which we got to drive to. Pretty, pretty distance. We're seeing the first Elm Street. followed by the third Elm Street. And I keep saying, how can you show the third of the street without it? That's like watching like Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. So much, you miss so much. That second Night Bear at Elm Street movie, they really screwed the pooch on that. They went off the rails. Was she even in that Nancy? I don't think she was. No, it was like it wasn't even Freddie. It was like a. Did they mention her? It was some guy. So he got possessed the guy in the shower. Yeah. Nightmare 2 is like Halloween. Kind of. Sorta, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a good way to describe it.

1:56:00 It's not like two. Halloween two with I want to talk to Tim. Go ahead. Because maybe I think you and I feel the same way, so I don't have to talk to you about this. Shut up, guys. Maybe I'm in the minority and I just don't get it. But are you as tired of hearing about Nathan Fielder? and his goddamn documentary about something that I don't care about. Who is Nathan Fielder and what is this document? And who's that? He's the guy that is doing the homes, the Elizabeth Holmes. Oh. With her staring at him and why would I lie to you? I don't even reason to lie to you. Um I no, I'm not tired of it. I I did I did see uh a trailer. Uh for that. It might have been in the theater or it might I don't know where I saw the trailer. This is all anybody seems to be talking about in movies, is this documentary. First of all, I've seen a trailer. I have tried Nathan Fielder over and over again, and I know some people think he's a genius, and I don't get it. Is he a director? Yeah, he's a director, but he's like in the stuff that he does.

1:57:16 Nathan Field. And it's like it's comedy, but it's like avant-garde comedy, like. Comedy, A24 kind of comedy. And this wom this this woman that she's now in federal prison for um really scamming people out of money and uh she started a pharmaceutical company. Well, it wasn't even a pharmaceutical company. It was a company that said that they could do with just a drop of blood All of the blood testing that anybody would need to do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she, she, at some point, had. People were telling us this. Was it a billion or trillion dollars? And there's already a movie there was a show about it with uh Amanda Seefried. It was called What was it called? The dropout. Where she played this movie. Well, this Nathan Fielder goes and he he he gets to stay in her house before she's sent to prison. And it's just her being creepy and weird.

1:58:17 And I don't know, talking about how she stole millions and millions of dollars. I don't give a shit. I will say, I do not, I do not know who he is. None of his movies. Ring a bell. So I don't I I don't have any I don't have any uh frame of reference for him. She, on the other hand. Elizabeth Holmes. I do know her story to a certain extent. Brother. ran into hole. At this is before that whole fallout thing. He ran into her at some. conference. years ago he was working with a company who was doing uh it was a water purification kind of thing. And he was at a conference and she Was there, and he I remember him telling me he saw her. Okay. I mean, it's not much of a story, but that's. No, I just keep seeing this over and over again. And all these people saying, what a genius he is.

1:59:23 I don't I don't I really don't understand and like this is gonna probably get nominated for best documentary this guy could win an Oscar For staying in some Degenerates House. And her lying to him on camera, I really, really don't fucking care. And I really don't know who he is. I see it constantly. That's what the manager at the AMC was telling us about. He was so trailer for it, too. I forget, but he was so gung-ho. I want to see it. I want to see it. And I was like, I didn't even know what the hell you're even fucking talking about. He He's d he's directed some T V. Series episodes. Like there's the rehearsal of Who is America. May uh Nathan for you, I'm assuming these are the things. I'm assuming these are things that Uh People know him from, but I don't. Not nothing he's done. Nothing he's done. stands out as something I've ever heard of.

2:00:24 Okay. Then hopefully Whatever algorithm I'm on is blowing him out of proportion and I hope this just fizzles and goes away because I'm I really don't like the guy. And I really don't care about this. Yeah, I and now I'm talking about it. Uh yeah, I can't I can't say I've ever heard of them. I can't I can't say there's, yeah, there's nothing about him that stands out. I mean, I have seen. I I am familiar that there is a documentary on her coming out. Beyond that, I just know that it exists. What if you mean a documentary of a scuba diver getting eaten by a whale with a squid inside the whale's mouth? Would you watch that, Dave? Absolutely. Every time I see that trailer. And it plays that overly dramatic Music. Like, da da da da da da da da da da da. In my head, I hear Jim Carrey and the cable guy. Yeah.

2:01:30 Yeah. Put it on. Put it on. I hear that. It's it's like because you basically you're sitting there for two minutes watching this guy get j like bumped around with this extremely overly dramatic orchestral. Soundtrack playing, and it's but it really reminds me of Jim Carrey. Yeah, Red Nights going down, down, down, down. This this this whale fall better be late. Twenty-eight minutes. This whale fall is going to be the best movie of the fall. This is that it honestly is the snakes on a plane of the new century. I guess. I think if it wasn't Austin Abrams, like if it had been somebody else. I would be like, oh, this I'll probably still see it. It looks kooky. But the fact that it's him enhances me wanting to see it. But you resonate evil up? Oh, oh, it's him. I did not even.

2:02:33 Think I did not even put the connection between him. And Resident Evil. Holy shit. Now I want to see it. Leave and more. Ooh, Jane Levy's in it. Are you going to get the whale popcorn bucket, Tim? Did you see that yet? No. It's insane. It's a big ass whale and a little tiny scuba diver on the side of him. I'm looking forward to seeing Jane Levy in this. I think she's cute as a button. Dave, I want to thank you for joining us at the end of our episode. Well, I have to shut it off anyway. So that is to say you have the choice. Yeah. He's got to be there at the end one way or another. Now, to to end the show, Dave, can you ask each of us to pass the popcorn? But. as Chris Hansen. Okay, so I'm saying what to you exactly? You're asking each one of us, hey, Chris, hey, Tim, hey, Luke, but one at a time. pass the popcorn. Then we gotta say something, you know, like a sound effect afterwards. Okay. You wouldn't rather have a cookie?

2:03:34 No, I'm waiting to eat a little bit later. Alright, well let me ask you this. Can you pass the popcorn? Chris? Mm-hmm. How about you, Luke? May you pass the popcorn? Oh. Now Tim. I know how this looks. Could you pass the popcorn? Oh, electric chair. Tim, just one more thing. Why does your popcorn bucket have a big hole in the bottom? Electric chair. Oh, thank you for listening. That was good. Fucking dasty. We'll see you next time on PTP! You know me. Thanks for listening to Pass the Popcorn. Pass the Popcorn is a NEOZAZ.com production and part of the NEOZAZ.com podcast network. For more great podcast and original entertainment, please visit NEOZAZ.com. For all the latest news and information for Pass the Popcorn, follow us on Facebook at facebook.com/slash Passthepopcorn podcast. Thanks for listening.

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0:14 We interrupt your latest podcast listening to NEOZAZ News. This just in, this is a new podcast of Best of Fives. It said your reporter voice. That is That's my reported voice. Yeah, saying this, how we're gonna talk. Say something just happened. Saying, yeah, say it can't get to me, Copper. It's it's James Cagney. This does in C. We're calling it Beavergate here. It's studio six. That would be a horrible news reporter. I don't know, because I wouldn't be know what I was saying. Yeah. You would be the one that everybody tunes into because it's like, what's he going to say? What's he going to say next? Yeah. Fuck. Tell tell we are here, Luke. Yeah. Hi. Dave and I are here for a Best of Fives idea that Dave had maybe like a day or two ago after we saw.

1:20 The Fantastic Movie Called Prime Time about a horrible situation, horrible content. Yeah. Yes. The content's horrible. The acting is just fantastic. Really great. Yeah. So oh yeah. Yeah, if you can get through the the subject matter. Yeah. You're going to see It's one of those movies that's like Like when it's over, you're like, uh it was great, but I don't wanna be like super excited about it. because of what it's about. That's the thing. When I posted my review, I was like, how do I word this? So it doesn't sound like I'm supporting what happened. Yeah. You know? It's really great performances. It's that's go for that. Go to see some people really like. do tremendous jobs. Dave had the news reporter idea, like a journalist news reporter. Why'd you have a receipt? Why don't you have a seat? Do you know this box? I love it. He's so great. Yeah, it was, it was, it was, I didn't.

2:26 I didn't know I was gonna like it as much as I did. Seriously. But Pattinson is just, I love that man. Every year he he turns out two more performances, maybe three, and you're like, uh-huh, this guy is the next Uh, you know, clooney, like he's like, you're gonna be your go-to guy for everything for like the next, I don't know, 30 years. He can he can do it all. Like, when, but those Twilight movies. No, those are fine. Caitlin does say like Team Edward and what's his Jacob? What was the guy's name? Jacob. Jacob. Who is Edward? Him. Jaguar is the wolf. Yeah. No offense, I thought In bloor. I guess,'cause he he's ha I don't know, he's handsomer and he's like action, like an action guy more. No one watched Team Jacob. I like Team Jaguar. That's not to me like. Like that was what he was known for for a while. Right. That stuff to me doesn't even exist. Like in his filmography, people used to be like, oh, the guy from

3:31 Twilight. That is like such ancient history and not what he's known for anymore. I love that about him, that he took something that was like you could have killed his career. He could have been Mark Hamill, and that's all he would have done. And now it's like, I don't even remember that he was in those movies. He's just like one of the best leading men in Hollywood. Oh, yeah, he was in those fucking vampire movies. Right. which were fucking sh at that time. Those were huge. Those buddy. Were Marvel huge before Marvel came on board? Seriously. And he's that good that he makes you forget about all that. I don't remember it. He was a kid. It's like I don't give a shit about that. I knew him from Harry Potter first because he was in the forest. Oh, yes, he was. Yeah. And it's like, oh, this guy's really great. I don't even remember that he did that stuff. I just think about all those like Edgy movies that he's done over the last, I don't know, five, six, seven years. It's like, this guy is just unbelievable. I do. You don't like him as Batman. I don't, but I think I should go back and just give it a chance. Maybe, maybe it was like Robert Pattinson before he became.

4:36 as great as he is. I don't know. Like, I don't know why I have a batmanship on my shoulder, I guess. That's just me. That's my own fault. So anyway, they wanted to do like this journalist. It was kind of rough. Luke and I, I made my list like two minutes ago, and it's the worst list of the best of five lists in the three of lists. Are you serious? I thought this would be easy for you. Like anything that is about putting on the news. Like on television or writing a newspaper, anyone where the characters are reporters or journalists. There's so many Things. I mean, there's, there's all, there's so many movies that have these characters in them. And some of the movies are completely about Journalism. And some it's like, well, it's a side thing. I thought that I apologize. I thought that you'd be like, oh, I got like four right off the top of my head. I will say this. I thought of one immediately, but then when I looked and see, I was thinking, it showed me all these movies.

5:38 And I was like, I saw that. I saw them. I saw that. That I remember that being good. But then later on, as my list continued, I'm like, this is horrible. But then I found another site that had. Porters from like stuff that had that gave me names. I'm like, oh yeah. Oh my god, yeah. Duh, dumbass. Then I had these ones. I'm like, oh, now it makes sense. Now it's kind of easier for me. But it was rough. It it it it was hard for me to to to, you know, because I don't I don't really go see a movie. Oh, this movie's about a newspaper. Let's go. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I really do seek out movies like this. Journalists Well, I know it's one of the most important I mean, certainly doctors and cops and More important than anything. But journalists. and the Accurate telling of the news, which is such a big deal right now, and how it's being blocked.

6:39 is such a important part of like our daily lives. I don't think Dave would be a good journalist. Oh, absolutely. I would love to be a journalist. He would be the one that everyone would respect. I would be the weird owl of journalists. weird owl. You would do the the human nature stories like the The guy that collects symbols. He liked every stamp in his house. I would talk about that guy. Yeah, you would go to those guys. Oh absolutely, yeah. Alright, well I'm interested to see what you have then because it sounds like you had trouble with it and you found something. I did I did but It's it's gonna be I'm sure Luke will whistle this who's gonna go first. This is not neck. If you're in choice. Dave, even before with the last week, we saw Dave. Last night and I was like, you know, Luke hasn't seen many newspaper journalists movies and Dave's like, no. You gotta be on. You have to contribute. Yeah. So you you make you you're here you tell us.

7:42 You go? Me. Okay. Then me. That's how it always gets. Okay. Then Dave. All right. Dave's best for last. All right. Let's hear it. His lesson always childlike. And then Dave. Yeah. Alright, my number five. Specified journalists. This is, this is, this is horrible. And I want to see Dave pick out of his asshole. Clips from what I'm about to fucking say. And it's so weird because right before we got we got on here, Caitlin called us, FaceTiming us, you know, see how we're doing, blah, blah, blah. And I quickly gave her, yeah, we're doing a thing. And I gave her this, this name. Just to see if she remembered this name and instantly. See no. Okay. And it's mostly because I sat here and watched this with the kids. I want to say Nickelodeon had it. Dave, you probably have no idea. Unless Jackwash, I don't know.

8:47 There's a character called Chet Ubetcha. Chet Ubetcha. Correct. Yes. He was, there was a cartoon on Nickelodeon called The Fairly OddParents. Okay. Yeah. And he was just a Stereotypical Like almost like what I was saying, this just in, like that kind of thing with a gigantic. Yeah, that's him. Yeah. Kent Brockman on The Simpsons. Yes. Yes. With a huge chin and he was handsome, and he was, you know, he was like, yes, yes, yes. And it's just so silly that I watched this. This, I want, I've seen this character. We, we, we like this show. You guys watch this shit all the time. He was Spongebob. Very odd parents. What what else did you got? How are you? I hate a colour. Jesus. You want so much stuff that I sat there with you and I watched it. And this show was funny. This thing specifically, this show had some jokes for the parents. Yeah. It was one of those things that went over the kids' heads and smacked the adults right in the face and you laughed.

9:53 Well that's what that's because then that you know the parents will watch it. But you've already spent$20 million on the video! do it for free. Meet the new cheap Skylark! Tell me competitive! What? Boy trapped in a well? This is Chet Ubetcha saying, I'm getting that boy out of the well! That was funny. Yeah, he's so over the top. And he was always on, you know, and and she just it's it was made because of of Watching you guys laugh too, I was having fun enjoying my time with my children. Oh that's sweet. That's sweet. I knew it w when when because I said that to Caitlin, do you know that Chet Ubetcha? She's like, come Timmy Turner. Yeah. So it it it meant it a lot to them and it meant a lot to me to watch it with my kids and That's my number five. I love that. No one's going to say it, check. You betcha. Me? Well, he'll say it right now.

10:54 No, you can't say it right now. Mine number five. Yeah. There's two movies. I wish they did another one. I know exactly who this is. Ron Burgundy. That is a no-brainer. That is a fantastic one on your list. I wonder if it's going to be on others. I'm not sure yet. It's still early. I wonder if it's gonna be on others. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. And I need all of you to stop what you're doing and listen. Cannonball! That's mostly because of Wolfram. This character was a story. Wasn't it? Now this does not like isn't like did he make this like for a movie? Isn't there a character that he made for a sketch and then it became something? It's not around Burgundy, right? I I never heard of it until the movie. Okay. That doesn't mean you're not right. I just only remembered the trailers of the movie. These these movies were.

12:00 Funny as hell. I mean, these movies were great hump. Yeah, but yeah, there you go. That's a good one, buddy. Good choice. That's a strong number five. Yeah, I was going to say, what's better than Ron Burgundy? I mean, I'm really thrown off here. All right, cool. Alright David, what's your five? I mean number five. Mine tend to be, well, I say that they're serious, but I have a couple of non-serious ones as well. First one's pretty serious. So. I remember watching this with my mother when I was little, which I probably shouldn't have, but she wanted to see it and being scared of it and not really knowing what it was about. But my number five is The China Syndrome. I've never seen this. You will love it. It's A lot of Michael Douglas. Hmm. You love him. I love him. I love him. Yes. Yeah. So Jane Fonda plays a reporter investigating a nuclear reactor plant that this brand new thing in California. But as they go and kind of get like a tour, Finding that there's things wrong. There's alarms going off, and they're like, oh, it's nothing, it's nothing. And all the people from the reactor are like,

13:07 Oh, it's just that thing goes off all the time. It's not a big deal, you know. Right. And Michael Douglas is her cameraman. So that's why they're together. She's like the crack reporter of this news station. And Jack Lemmon then plays guy who's going to be a whistleblower. are things wrong and there could be a a nuclear reactor. Mm-hmm. And it's them covering it. It's so freaking good. Maybe you can. Oh no, no. Yeah. Cut him off. We're losing picture. What happened? No. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Why? You were the idiot! Right.

14:10 We've lost our picture from the Ventana nuclear plant. This movie is like so intense. Did this win is this an Oscar winner? I think this is one something. I think Michael Douglas actually won I think he produces it and I think he won an Oscar at a very young age for being the producer of this movie. He looks so like wow young too. But the new like I picked it as a journalism and a news thing because the news Uncovering this story and the fact that the main character is Jane Fonda and she's this reporter and he's the cameraman. The entire thing is the news coverage of this and them trying to like keep it away from the news, but the news. Thinking it's their duty to tell everybody that this could be a colossal catastrophe.

15:16 Almost like AI might be today. Yeah. But I will stop you and your AI. So number five, The China Syndrome. See, let's just go back in time here. This recap. Chet Ubetcha. Ron Burgundy Yeah. And then The China Syndrome. That's how the lists are going to be. the rest of the show. So all right. Not necessarily. Oh, wait till you hear. Is there four Guru? Wait till you hear what number four. No one's heard of this one. Oh no. I'm sorry, yeah. Everyone, yeah, okay. I have another one here that I'm gonna mention that nobody would have heard of. My number four, which I think might be an aisle mention for Dave. And maybe on his list. I don't know. And I didn't do much research. He is, he is, I want to say he's a weatherman, Dave.

16:19 That he's reliving the same day over and over and over again. It is Bill Murray from Groundhog Day as Phil Connors. Phil? It's Ned. Ned Needlender. You haven't seen us though, Luca. No. I know right. Oh my god. Phil? Bill? Bill? Bill Connors? Bill Connors, I thought that was you. How are you doing? Thanks for watching. Hey, hey. Now, don't you tell me you don't remember me because I sure as heckfire remember you. Not a chance. Med! Ryerson. Needle-nose Ned Ned the head. Come on, buddy. Case Western. Hi. Ned Ryerson. I did the whistling belly button trick at the high school talent show. Bing! Ned Ryerson got the shingles real bad senior year, almost didn't graduate. Bing! Again! Ned Ryerson, I dated your sister Mary Pat a couple times till you told me not to anymore.

17:23 Well Ned Ryerson? Bang! Bingo. See, I think he's the kind of reporter that I would be, like a weatherman. Like, I think, I mean, I have known nothing about. Weather and news it. But I think the weather man. Always the funny, comical, cool. weatherman on a channel, right? Dave Dave. Yeah, he's he's usually the lighter. The lighter side. And until there's like a storm and then they get all serious because they put on their meteorologist cap. Like, we're just getting this from the National Weather Service. This is going to be a deucey, folks. And then it doesn't do anything. And and what's weird too though is they're probably the most hated. 'Cause people like sunny skies and then it fucking pores or you know what I mean? Like They blame them. Because a cloud came in. Yeah, it probably depends on where you live. Like, he's in Pittsburgh. And That would be a lot of bad weather. If you're the weatherman in San Diego.

18:24 Everybody probably loves you. It's 75 degrees and 8 in sunny every day. What do you do? But yeah, Phil, this Phil? That part, and then they found that that part makes it every time I see anybody or anyone who I know the names Phil or anything, that's when I think of Phil? Like, it cracks me up. Like, if I if I would have had a third kid and I wouldn't even Phil, I would have done. Every time, every time, every time I walk through the room, fail every time. I have that as an honorable mention. Yeah, you're right. I knew it was going to be an honorable mention. All right, Luke. You can't say that because you never even saw that. So. Monra 4 He's a web slinger. I knew this was on yeah, okay. Peter Parker. This is this is a noberry. Now see now, Dave. Now see. There were rules, kind of, I think, too. Like, it's like he, there's a reporter in it, so that counts, right, Dave? He's a reporter. I don't think he's a photographer. He's a photographer journalist. Yeah, he works for the Daily Bugle. He's a telejournalist. Yeah. You want to call it that? I don't know. You put, never mind. Your five was who?

19:33 Beroni okay, see put Peter Parker. I can see why. Okay, all right, because you were in the whole Marvel shit. Yeah, any of those on your list. Which which one is your favorite? Yeah, you best put a parker. Tom Howland, what is your who is your least favorite Peter Parker? Oh, seriously. Mm-hmm. How about you? I think that's an age thing. My least favorite who is it, Toby Andrew? I like them all. See, I must, I guess, Toby. I don't hate him, but compared to Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield, I don't hate him too. He's on, he's third, which. It's still good though. I'm sorry. Little Spider-Man tangent. Yeah. Little mini best of threes. Spider-Man. That's two episodes and more. Yeah, that's That was good, buddy. All right. Dave's Ready? You, you betcha. Bet you, chet you betcha. Yeah, I love that.

20:37 What a great name. My number four, also very serious. It get it lightens up a little bit after this. But this is maybe the newest movie on here. And I remember you had seen this movie before I did, and you're like, oh my God, this movie. I was like, eh. I'll see it just because it's a movie. Yeah. And then just being blown away by it. And there's tons of journalism in. Civil War. Yes! Yes. Yeah. And her and and like they're covering this with the in like she's this other photo journalist and she's Based on this character, actually, that Kate Winslet plays in a different movie called Lee. Did you ever see that movie? That would be another she's she was a real war photographer. And uh that's she the character that Kirsten Dunst plays is named after. Lee, I forget her last name. But it was a real woman. And some of the shit that goes on in Civil War was just downright chilling.

21:41 And uh it's all you following. Journalists. So like they're they're just following those soldiers, that whole attack on Washington into the White House and just ha it doesn't and some of them die along the way because there's other journalists that they meet and they they have these times where there's downtime. Uh I really love this portrayal of journalists being heroes. in covering the news. This one is was definitely an honorable mentor on my list. D this was definitely on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What an what an amazing movie. That's my number four.

22:43 Number four. Your number three. My number three, God, mine are all immature, childish things. describes me. Um This one I think could be one of his one of the His Best. He is like a top maybe like top five films on his um resume. I think this character Definitely one of them was not a big fan of the sequel whatsoever. It is Jim Carrey. And Bruce Almighty. Bruce Nolan. Oh yeah. And I wonder if Dave's gonna bring up bring up the clip. him on the on the on the night Niagara Falls boat. Oh yeah. It's the thing that people remember most about. That movie, I had this as an honorable mention too. This is this, I mean, if you want to do a quick, like, like, we're not going to do any order, like Jim Carrey's top ones, it's Itch and Tur, Liar, Liar. This one is definitely dumber. Yeah, Dumb and Dumber.

23:50 Bruce Almighty. They're in the top five of his. Yeah, when That's the one, dude. He flips out. It's just so So funny, yeah. He has just had enough at this point. Cut your feet, put it like come on. I'm Bruce Nolan for Eyewitness News. Back to you, fuckers. That to happen one day. I want somebody, I want Jim O'Brien back in the 80s to say this or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just, it it's so damn funny. And you know, it is probably not even like, ew. He's a weather man too. Or no. Yeah. Yeah, he's the one that we're. Yeah. So he wants to be the anchor. And that's when he finds out, I think, that he's been passed over. And they make Steve Carell the anchor and then he makes him talk to the gibberish leaders. Yeah. Yeah. It's fantastic. This movie is fantastic. And I was I didn't like part two. I don't know. It's Jim. You can't do what Jim Carrey did. You know what I mean? Who's it too?

24:54 He's the lead now in this one, in that one. Two was This movie was more like a kind of naughty PG-13 kind of movie. Two was a family movie. Yeah, two wasn't. Yeah, I needed more. non-inness yeah Yeah, you could show you Bruce Almighty or what what was called Evan Almighty. You could show Evan Almighty to like really young kids. And they would just like laugh their asses off of him like you know, hitting his thumb with a hammer while he's building the ark and stuff and all the animals and yeah. They went a real different way with that. I like the second one too. Yeah, I mean I enjoyed it but I missed I missed the whole And Steve Carell was phenomenal in part one, and he what he would could do and what he With his wording was just he was he was funny, yeah, but he couldn't carry a whole movie, I think, as the character. Says Sean Part 2, does he get the powers? Yeah. Yeah. But what happens? I don't know what happens to.

25:58 Jim Carrey's character in part two. I don't know. I think didn't he move to another didn't Bruce Evan Almighty go somewhere else, another station or something? I don't know. Yeah, and he's been a while. He's he's a Is like newscasting fame to try to go into politics. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. John Goodman is like a senior congressman and he's grooming him to like Come aboard as a congressman. He is a congressman, I think. In Part two? Labor. In part two. Steve Carell is a congressman, yeah. And he keeps showing up to work. He's got the long beard and the robe and stuff. Cause he basically, I mean, Bruce and Bruce Almighty, Jim Carrey never liked. He's always Jim Carrey. In the second one, he turns, it's like the Santa Claus. He turns into Noah. Yeah, he does. So I'm with Dave. If you, if Brother Santa Claus, if you turn, if you play Noah. In a movie, you're done. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. It's just Russell Crow. Ever since he made that one, he went downhill. He made.

27:03 The driving movie that he was pissed. What was that called? Unhinged. Unhinged. He made that. Yeah, I mean, he made some crap, crap, crap, crap. But that that's my number three. Bruce Almighty from Well my three. Uh oh. This is Vicki Vale. Oh yeah. I didn't even think of that one, buddy. No. Who does does she what's the Gotham News? Or is that the Gotham Gazette? Did she work for God and Gazette? Oh my god. That's a good one. There's always the crack reporter. Crack reporter. I think I played this clip when we did Best Scream. Yeah, she does have a Best Scream. Yeah, that's why you found her so, yeah. She was good in that. Yeah. Yeah.

28:13 That's a good one, buddy. Well I didn't I forgot about her. Does she have a ducons? I've never seen her Not yet. I think she's done official pics, but you know, it's not when she goes to a con. She's when you're like mailing stuff? Yeah, she she signs shit for you to the mail. But that's that was that was good. Alright Dave, can you top me now? Are two? Number my number three is gonna be a common thread here, I think. It is Anchorman Colin, the legend of Ron Burgundy. That first one. I hate that second movie. It's so bad. Why did he part? It lost all of the magic of the first one. There's just something about that movie where they took it too far. I mean, this movie, this first movie. and any of those movies that Will Ferrell was doing at that time, they're they definitely went. To the edge. They went really far. they knew when to stop. We're going to keep it contained just enough.

29:17 And in that second one, they just took it too far. I think. Mm-mm. just took me out of it completely. But that first anchorman, I mean, how If we could do a list of like the most quotable quotable movies. Almost every one of those movies to me would have Vince Vaughn in them because they're the movies that you quote the most. It's Anchorman and Old School and Dodge Ball. And wedding crashers, like those movies. We're so great and we got one like every year, like an R rated. Judd Apatow kind of comedy, and Anchorman might be one of the best ever. I'm not a baby, I'm a man. I am an anchorman! You are not a man. You are a big fat joke. I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am.

30:18 You're just a woman with a small brain. with a brain a third the size of us. It's science. I will have you know that I have more talent and more intelligence in my little finger than you do in your entire body, sir. You are a smelly pirate hooker. You look like a blueberry. Why don't you go back to your home on Hoar Island? Well you have bad hair. What did you say? Oh, yeah. I mean, every every five minutes of this is a thing that we've all quoted. I don't know when does this movie come out? Early 2000s? Yeah, it was 2004 or something like that. It was, yeah. It was 20 years. Jesus Christ. Yeah. This movie's, these are fantastic. Yeah, and there's nothing more, you know, journalism and new putting on the news than a movie like this. It's every second of the movie, honestly. And it's it's it's Anchorman and his and his cast. It's like it's everybody in this movie. Paul Rudd, Steve Carell. It's in the guy's whammy. David Koechner is so funny. It's whammy. Yeah.

31:30 It's everything in this is great. End of forgiveness fine. That's Mantooth. That was that because he's and then there's that whole fight with all the rival, yeah. They all bring out a better story, come down and everything, yeah, yeah. That's and they insult they insult David Koechner is like Trying to insult Wes Mantooth, Vince Vaughn, and he's like, I'm going to take your mother out to dinner, a nice shrimp dinner, and then I'll never call her. And Fitzfar goes nuts and he goes, Dorothy Mantooth is a saint. I think I have like every second of this movie memorized. And it's only number three on my list. That's the thing. Remember he did a podcast? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it it was it was good. I mean, when he has I think it was during COVID, so he had like some he had extra time and he was yeah, he would do one every week and it was fantastic. And that's yours, what did you three you said? Yeah, three only three. Yep. Who's who's next? Me? Yeah. Do you have another anchorman clip anywhere? Cause my number.

32:37 I'm glad I'm like, this is what I was doing. I saw all the movies about journalism, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then I kicked into some characters. And then I go, oh my God, Ron Burgundy is a no fucking brainer. I said, that is definitely... High above my list. So Everything that you said earlier and everything that Luke said and everything that We all know about Ron Burgundy. It's just, it's just, it's fun. This is one of Will Ferrell's best. Characters. Remember that scene where he's running on the sidewalk and he pushes that guy down? Yeah, he just nails that guy. Yeah. Yeah. He just shows. Or when he's in the film booth. And he starts screaming now. And he starts like crying. That jack black kicks the dog off. A glass cage of emotion. Yeah. It's just every second of the movie is iconic. Unique New York. New York. I love Scotch. I love Scotch.

33:39 Scotch, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly. Mm-mm-mm-mm. Down down to my belly. I think I say that every time I pour myself scotch, I go, scotch, scotch, scotch, scotchy, scotch, scotch. Done to my belly. Acting hand is great. Like, this is one I want part three. Yeah, I mean, it's like, like, I wish they would make this to like a miniseries and make like. Eight episodes, you know, half an hour each. So it's almost like a five-hour movie on all, you know? And I think it would be too much. The opposite. I think too much of a good thing is Never good. Like that one Big Man 2 was kind of like this was good enough on its own. I didn't need to see a second one. I remember when he did that podcast and I was like, all right, well, I love that character. I listened to the first one. It's just not there. Like it's, it's now it's watered down. That first movie is so. There isn't a second in that movie that isn't intentional and hilarious. And then you just start adding more things to it and it's like, you know, just you're missing. You're just it's a swing and a miss.

34:46 So I can see that. That's just my opinion. You like, you want to see three? I want to see more. I want to see more of it. Yeah. And I don't ever want to see it again. I mean, I'll watch the first one over and over. You already you already have perfection. Anything else you do is gonna it's gonna go downhill. That's my number two. Luke Woods and so I'm I'm I mean you already put out Peter Parker. And in Burgundy, it's like, who's like two and one for you? Mine too. Okay. I'm shy you haven't said this one yet. Okay. Lois Lane. Lois Lane? What is she from? I don't I don't I don't know this this Just lowest length. What is this Lois Lane you speak of? The best Lois Lane is Erica Durance. Erica Durance on Smallville. We're just loving. Well, hear me out, Dave. All right, hear me out. This is his it's an age thing, obviously for him. He finds Margot Kidder, who is my Lois Lane, because from the 70s and 80s, annoying and

35:53 Don't see the connection between her and Christopher Reeve. Smallville, Tom Welling, and Erica Durance is, they have, they've had interviews. We listened to, we watched so much podcast about this show. Tom Welling said it's a moonlighting. Which is fantastic. He quotes that when they were finally hooking, not hooking up, when they were finally falling in love and their chemistry, he said they wanted to do like a moonlighting thing, which is spot on, which is what you do. and Erica Durance as Lois Lane on Smallville. It's fantastic. Yeah. It's his. She was hot back now. She was a knockout. Yes. Compared to Margot Kidder, Margot Kidder was cute. Margot Kidder was like an Adrian scared enough teeth. She had no teeth. Later in her life, we all lose our teeth and kind of bullshit. Is that crazy? Yes, yes. Well, she knocked her teeth out with a hammer. Yeah, which who hasn't done that? What'd she do that for? He's male. She's got some problems and she had some problems anyway. Excuse me. That's a business.

37:23 You've got me! Yeah. I'm gonna say something here, okay? Nothing to do with this podcast episode. When I'm waiting for you guys for someone to get done or come home from work, or I'm just waiting in front of the of the T V, I'm like, what can I just kill time and watch internally in HBO Max. And I turn on this helicopter scene a lot. Yeah, it's perfect. It's perfect. I watched this moment over and over and over and over again. This, that scene is just. Why Superman? 70 Street Man is just one of my favorites. Do they like that scene more? Do they like the scene? Grand Ralph? Yeah. That's another scene that I just watched when the helicopter, when the tie with the rooftop, and Shiny Eye. Shining the eye. Love it. Yes. But this is still my favorite. But Margot Kidder, I thought, was a good Lois Lane. I thought it was good for its time. Yes, I think she was. The whole Can You Read My Mind? I'm surprised Dave didn't play that thing. Mom Hates. Okay.

38:25 Tim hates it. He's that. The whole Canadian Mind? Yeah. Can't stand it. Yeah. Which that's his opinion. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's it's fantastic. What is your favorite Lois, Dave? Or Margot Kidder. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, who's your least favorite? I mean It really wasn't that many people. I guess Amy Adams? Yes, sometimes sometimes she didn't really s That's a l Lois Lane. Yeah, there's there wasn't like. Like I if she was called Betsy Ross, I would believe it. Like, I didn't know she was like the Lois Lane, kind of. You know what I mean? Yeah. This Miss Maisel and this new Superman was great. In fact, The new Superman movie. but she was the best part. Luke is shaking his head. It's like planned, we all have opinions, all right? Yeah. She was a, she's, to me, maybe the second best, Lois Lane. I believe, like, I think, I felt. More of a Lois vibe from her. Yeah. Yeah. Lois Lane is spunky and she's got attitude and she

39:29 Uh, doesn't take shit from anybody, and she kind of loves it that she sticks it to the men. Like, she's in a male-driven profession, but she's the best. And you know what? They just described Erica Durance as Lois Lane. Character perfectly. Everything he just said is her. And that's why she is your favorite. Did you like the Lois from Summer Lois? I did. Yeah. And I met so many of these fucking people from all these superman universes. Yes. And she was nice in real life now. Yes. Oh, hell yeah. And you love. What's their face? Who's that? Lois and Clark. Oh, Teri Hatcher? Teri Hatcher. Terry. Yes. I met Teri Hatcher. I met the Superman and Lois girl from Grim. I met Margot Kidder. I met Noel Neill. I have no idea who that is from the old George Reeves. Black and white Superman's. I met I've met so many people. I love Superman. So you've met every Lois Lane except for Amy Adams.

40:32 Oh, okay. Amy Adams and Ms. Mazel. Yeah. Did you meet the voice? For the sumi, I met God. She's she's on this Toza King Joe, Toza Gang. What was her name? Dana Delaney. I met her. Yes. Yes. You've met like five different Lois Lanes. Mm-hmm. And I I've and I met Dean Cain. And the closer that I mean. Don't laugh at that. I met other Supermans, right? And who else did I meet? Tom Welling. I didn't meet like I didn't meet Rhea, I didn't meet Henry Cavill. Ralph. I met Brandon Routh. Yes, Brandon Routh I met, yeah. Tyler Hoechlin from the new show. I met him. Yes. How about Tim Daly? Have you ever met him? I have met T I have him autograph on like a comic book. Yep, so you've had you have just as many Supermans too. I know. What a nerd. Luke Lois Lane is a is a fantastic number two. Fantastic. As Lois, you're one? I don't know who's next. Dave's next? Dave. You got to wait.

41:36 Dave, you're number two. My number two. I went back and forth with. This movie and then the one that I have is number one. This is not going to be on either of your lists. This has been one of my favorite movies since the second I saw it. And it's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Because the character that Johnny Depp plays, which is really the the real life author. He's a journalist in the movie, and he's actually a sports journalist because he's really in Las Vegas to cover. This like Many day motorcycle race through the desert. Raoul Duke, the character, is really a journalist there to, you know. Cover this big long thing. He barely covers it at all because he spends most of the time. Obliterated and just going nuts the entire time, but that is why he's there.

42:38 I remember saying something like, I feel a bit light-headed. You should drive. Suddenly, there was a terrible roar all around us. And the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car. And a voice was screaming: Holy Jesus, where are these goddamn animals? Good! Good! Pigs! Say something! Never mind. It's your turn to drive. No point mentioning these bats, I thought. Poor Bassett will see them soon enough. It's been a while. I don't hate it. I just I don't think I just I caught all the that's how I felt about an impress Napoleon Dynamite. At this time, I'm like, this movie is stupid. That I don't get it. I hate it. I don't understand it. Napoleon now is fantastic and I love it. And I think maybe I just should just re-re-watch this. We met it. Maybe I should re-watch this again and go, oh, it is fantastic. What was I thinking whatever ago?

43:42 Well I also went, I used to read. I don't read anymore. But when I did read, I read a lot of Hunter S. Thompson's. and and letters and and things like that. Um so I was really really into this too at the time And this is he mean he's a journalist. That's that's his job in this. So that's why I picked it, even though there isn't a lot of journalism going on in this movie. But that's my number two. That's I saw that on the on the list and I was like I'm thinking Dave Dave has his on his list. Not on my list. What are we getting now? Who don't our number one? It's you. It's you. My number ones. I'm looking at the computer to see if Dave already has a clip. Oh. Okay, let me look. Because I've Obviously, if it's If it's if I didn't have Lois Lane on my list. I gotta have A visitor from another planet.

44:44 who comes down to earth and dis d disguises himself. as a it's in the fucking title and a mild man of reporter. It's Clark fucking Kent, all right? Clark Kent. This is definitely my favorite reporter. Who's your favorite corquette? Christopher Reeve? Why don't ask me that kind of question? Christopher Reeve We've said this so many things. You know how Dave sometimes says that every Sean the Dead. Every podcast that Dave does. He missed a show on the dead. Yeah. Podcast I'm on. I mentioned Christopher Reeve as a Superman, I I think. Well that's good. Right, he was iconic, is iconic, and just him as a reporter. When he plays Superman, he stands up straight and he's so cool as shit. When he's Clark Kent, And he's just golly and the glasses and the hat and the notepad and the pen. It's just he's fantastic. He's just he was great. He was fantastic as Clark fucking. He means a lot to you.

45:47 You really gotta listen to me. Hey, yeah, son. Come here. Come on. Get in here. Hurry up. Come on. Clark, I think we better get out of here. I think we better do what he says, Laws. Come on, come on. Get in here, quick. Don't don't do anything. All right, we're coming. Come on, we're coming. Come on, come on. Please don't point that at me, sir. You could hurt somebody with that. Sorry. Okay, okay, okay. Hold it then. Just a minute, Mister. Just a minute. No, I realize, of course, that times are tough for some these days, but this isn't the answer. You can't solve society's problems with a gun. You know something, buddy, you're right. I'm gonna turn over a new leaf. Good for you, sir. That's the spirit. See, he doesn't really want to hurt anybody. Uh-huh. Right after I rip off this lady's purse. Of course. Now come on, lady, hand it over. I think maybe better. Mm. Boss, what are you doing? Yeah.

46:58 of the little stun he does when he catches the bullet. He he really does like catch it and then fall on his back. Ass. His hat falls off. Because, like, like you described Lois, she's badass and she tries to kick the gun out, like, you know, like better than a man kind of thing. Yeah. And he just catches the bugging ball and falls out onto the bottom. Except she would have been killed there. That is very true. Lewis, what would he do? Like, and when he acts like, when he speaks like a mild manner reporter, Lewis. When she jumps into Niagara Falls, oh, oh God, and he got existing. I mean, it's it's just Clark Kenn is just my reporter. All right. There's nothing, nobody. Did you know that day for when you said this list? Like, I hadn't thought of it at first either. And then Dawned on me like, oh my God, this has become so easy because you could just do the whole Daily Planet staff. Yeah, you could do Lois and Clark. You could do, I hadn't thought of Vicki Vale, but you could do Peter Parker. Like, there's a lot of,

48:06 That uh Of the mild-mannered reporter, you know, because I'm with Dave. Like, you know how Dave makes rules for himself. Like, yeah, obviously, I was going to say somebody from Superman, but I'm not going to make like I said if someone from the Superman world has to be Clark. I can't pick Lois, Jimmy Olson, Perry White. It's like it's definitely him, and he does a great job. Portraying Kent and Superman, totally same actor. Two different body postures and and and dialogue and everything better. I don't know if you guys know this. I love this movie. The for the first Superman movie almost I want to say like half the scenes in the movie take place inside the Daily Planet. So it's even much time. Yeah. There's a friend or listener from one of our shows. I couldn't tell you, my memory's shit. A while ago, how long about six months ago, a year ago, or something, he got it. He lives in New York. Got a job at the building.

49:07 That this, the Daily Planet, was filmed at. Remember that big globe inside by the elevators. and like a lobby. Yes, in a lobby. He works there, and that's there. And he sent me a picture of himself in front of that. Like he works, his job. in the daily planet. amazing. Yeah yeah yeah. And we gotta I always wanna every time we go to New York, it's like, where is this eye? We gotta find that. That globe in the lava and iron. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it is you if Lois is two, you better have mine was already set. Fucking fucking. All right, all right. You are you are my my baby boy. You are my baby boy. You know what's weird is like for all the Superman love I have in this house and I guess I love Star Wars too. Like, I'm I guess Star Wars won, I guess, because I named you Luke. Like, like, why didn't I name you Clark? I don't know. Her last name is Kent when you didn't. Absolutely.

50:11 Oh geez. And then when I I would have had a another son, I would name him Roy, Roy Canon. Only if you were cursed and cursed and call people the C word every every other day. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah you yeah did did you pick Clark Kent like Right away. As as your one? Yeah. All right. So in a way, you like DC more than Marlborough because you could Peter Parker down on a list. Thank you. Okay. Now Right? Am I right? Me either. DC is better than than your Marvel MCU. DCU's better than MCU. You know why? Do it. Because before M in the alphabet. Oh, geez. So therefore, it's first. All right. Dave, can you tap Clark Kent? Well, I don't know if the I mean, not in your mind, I'm sure. But you do like my number one. My number one, especially there are two movies. The first one, all that this character is doing is investigative journalism. The entire.

51:15 movie and my number one is Fletch I saw This is on the list, and I was like, Oh, yeah, he is like an undercover investigator. It's like, oh, remake. I hate the remake. So yeah, his his pen name is Jane Doe. Writing these deep dive investigative journalism things. And the whole time he's working, he's working on this corruption of the cops. and drugs being smuggled onto the beach. Remember with the With Norm, you know, with George Went and stuff. But then the other time, investigating why this guy has hired him to kill him. The second one, I mean, he's still that character and he he does. He he there is a little bit of journalism at the beginning because he gets them to pay for his trip. Kind of that he's going to inherit this estate. And then it doesn't have anything to do with journalism. He's just investigating for himself. But this first one is, I don't know, this and Caddyshack Chevy Chase at his best.

52:18 Oh, it's me, Dr. Rosenpenis. I'm just here to check out Dan Wick's file. Dr. Rosenrosen, I'm here to get you a record. It's Dr. Rosenpeten. I want to check the records, name. Dr. Rosen. Now, John who? It's John Cocktoe's toll. It's a beautiful name. Well, it's Scott Mania. It's an odd combination. Yeah, well, so are my parents. What kind of a name is Coon? Comanche Indian. Bye. I'm sorry, who are you again? I'm Frieda's boss. But who's Frida? My secretary. My name is Igor Strabinsky, and I'm calling about some ranch property I'd like to buy. Do us a favor, pal. Name's Liddy. Gordon Liddy. Who are you? I'm Don Corleone, Mrs. Kavanaugh's cousin. Yeah. Hi there. I'm Harry S. Truman from Casewell Insurance underwriters. Does this proposition entail my dressing up as Little Bo Pete? I mean, did somebody put a compilation of all the fake names? It uses this talking about quotable movies, like from the 80s, then it would have been.

53:24 Those movies, those Saturday Night Live cast member movies, like Caddyshack and Three Amigos and Fletch and. Not coincidentally, he's in all of them, like all of the best ones and Javian is prime. Yeah. Oh my god. I think I said this some on some other thing we had in our um We're seniors. high school football they do like a little they put your picture and they put like a little getting to know you paragraph next to your picture. And one of the questions was the person you'd most like to meet. People, some of the kids were like, they got all like serious and they were like, Jesus Christ. I'm like, give me a break. Right. You know, but people put like Abraham Lincoln. I put Chevy Chase. That was the person I'd most like to meet when I was 17. How do you feel about them now, Dave? Things have changed. Ah yeah. But Fletch is I knew that was going to be a list. Yeah, I knew it. I knew. I saw him on the list. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what Dave loves Fletch. Did you see the remake with John Hamm?

54:30 I'll never watch it though. Oh, you haven't ever seen it. No, I I hate John Ham and uh I don't Want anybody messing with us? Yeah. Yeah. So now wasn't there rumors for a while? T V series or something or Ryan Reynolds doing something with Fletch? Yeah, I could see Ryan Reynolds wanting to do that because he wants to do everything. Um There was for a while a rumor of Kevin Smith. Wright had written a Fletch screenplay, and I think that they were talking about maybe Jason Lee playing him. That's that's yes, and I'm the remote. Yes, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I would trust Kevin Smith with something like this than I would trust other people because he really cares about this. Yeah, he is not that other people don't care about their projects but Even me news fan to them. He does. It even so much so that I remember, like, remember cop out? Yeah. Tracy Morgan. Tracy Morgan. It was like that was his like, I want to make like an 80s cop movie. And the score was done by Harold Faltermeyer.

55:35 did Fletch. Beverly Hills Copp and stuff, but it's like, this is how much Kevin Smith loves that shit. He got Harold Faltermeyer out of mothballs to do an 80s synthesized score for his movie. I love that. Luke, do you have any animal manchester? Because I don't know what else you've you've seen. Communion two, seaman three, semi-4. Yeah, Civil War. Yeah, that was awesome. We saw Mighty. Okay. Eddie Brock. And he br okay. He's a re he's a reporter? Okay. I believe you. These are the movies I wrote down saying, I saw these, and I remember loving these back in the day. Mm-hmm. And I'll say the characters first. Um Gale Weathers from Scream. Yeah. I forgot about her. This is going. No one's gonna know about it. Maybe.

56:37 His character's name is called Realistic fish. Yeah. You're asking me this? He's the dumb fish that pops up on Spongebob as the He's a news reporter. Yeah, he would just you just see this fish pop up at the bottom of the screen and his his jaw wouldn't be moving, you know, this just in, you know, it was it was a dumb And they fished that would speak. That's funny. All right, these are the movies that that I wrote down. Remember Spotlight, Dave? Yeah. That's a good movie. Um the insider is that Russell Crowe, right? Back in the day. Yep. That's cigarette the the the cigarette lawsuits. Yes. Did you like, see, my first hand was all like serious movies. Then I went into Chet Ubetcha. Beautiful day in the neighborhood. I never saw that. I'm shocked. You believe Mr. Rogers and Tom Hanks, right? Yeah, I never saw it. Civil War, obviously. The paper, another Keaton. way back and I had Fletch Fletch back on my list and that's

57:41 I had another one, remember? Nightcrawler? So with um Jake Gyllenhaal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember seeing that. He's a reporter too? Yeah, but he's like creepy. He's like he's like going around and Taking the like crime scene photos and stuff. And it's like, he's that's right. Yeah. It's like a really. disturbing movie. I had Nightcrawler as well. And Luke liked it, okay. You like the chip. Yeah, I I did. How about you, Dave? What's on your list? Well, I had some of the ones that you guys have said. I also included, there's a really great Warren Beatty movie called The Parallax View. It's also from the 70s. Movies in the 70s, I think, because of Watergate and people not trusting people in power. There were so many movies about stuff like this, like The China Syndrome and Three Days of the Condor with Robert Redford and the Parallax View. Was Warren Beatty this reporter investigating like dirty politicians? It's and then all the president's men, you know, like there was so much.

58:42 movies like that in the seventies because Richard Nixon. fucked everybody's mind. And Hollywood always reflects what's going on in culture. And this was a really good one. I love Warren Beatty, and this is like him at his coolest. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like is a really good he was the shit in his at his at his time, you know. Great movie. Uh have you ever seen that at Watergate? Buddy, look it up. Get up on your own time. Yeah. Um Have you ever seen, and you love Christopher Reeve, have you ever seen Street Smart? No, and I know I see the poster in my head now, like, yeah, I'd never seen that. Tim and Warren. And I should. Yeah. He's a journalist that really wants to hit it big. So he makes up this story about a pimp. And how he got all this insider information from the pimp. And then it's like, well, now he has to introduce everybody to the pimp. So then he has to meet like a real pimp. And it's,

59:47 Morgan Freeman. And he gets sucked into like the world of like prostitution and stuff like that. It's really just the two of them. It's really good. Christopher Reeve is such a good actor. Nobody gives him credit for it. I do. I do. I had newsies. I love newsies. Never seeing, I know that's a that was a big Hits for a lot of people. Some good stuff in there. Transylvania 6-5000. You ever see that? Days ago. Yeah. It's good for a laugh. They're tabloid reporters, Jeff Goldblum and Ed Begley Jr. Go to Transylvania to investigate, like, you know, those old timey monsters. Right. Um and then the one I was like, oh Chris would like this one. I had conspiracy theory. Oh my god. I didn't even think of that. Isn't he a taxi? He's a taxi driver, but he has his own newspaper. Remember, he like writes the conspiracy theory newspaper. So he's got a like a printing press in his apartment.

1:00:49 And then he's really being programmed by the CIA. Do you remember that? Little bit. It's been t it's so long since I've seen that one. That's a really good movie that people that's a movie that's been lost to time. Yeah. And even at the time, people like it was Mel Gibson was like at the height of his fame and it's Julia Roberts. It's like everybody freaking loved Julia Roberts. Yeah. It's the two of them. And it was like, nobody really cared. Yeah, I think it's like So then the other stuff I had was just stuff where there are reporters. Like, so I picked out some some reporters. like April O'Neill from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Oh dear. Yeah. Mr. McGee from the Hulk TV show. Done! He was always trying to investigating the Hulk and he's like, you know, says his line about Mr. McGee. Don't make me angry, yes! You watched Ted Lasso, right? You're still watching it now? Yeah. Trent Grimm from The Independent. Like that guy, that guy with the big long hair. Yeah. He's in the first couple of seasons. Love that guy.

1:01:51 There was a whole show that I was really into. It was a Was it Aaron Sorkin? It was really well written and only lasted one season. It was called Sports Night. It was basically like the putting on of Sports Center. But it was a sports network and it was all the people. behind the scenes kind of thing. It was really great. Uh I have Gracie Law. Big Trouble in Little China, which is, you know, it's kind of a dumb one. But the one that I was going to tell Luke last night. He's gotta be the the best example of the sleazy reporter. Dick Thornburg. from Die Hard. Oh my god. Why was it on your list? Yes. I forgot about that. So did I! He's perfect. Love that. Yes. Did you get that? Did she get that? Yeah. Oh my God. That's one that, yeah, that we didn't even think of think about. When you think of like sleazy reporters, he's like, eat it, Harvey. He's the guy I go to.

1:02:54 That's a good one. There's a lot of great. stuff out there. I'm sure we're forgetting some too. So, you know. If we forgot any, put them on our Facebook page. Well, thanks for listening. Hopefully we'll put you back to what to show the podcast you were listening to. All right. Yeah. And we'll see you next time on the Best of Fives. [Music]

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0:13 Hello and welcome to Box Office Bozo, a game show where NEOZAZ celebrities Chris and Luke must guess the top grossing movies of an actor in their filmography. My name is Dave. I'm your host to guide you through this episode where you can play along with or against Chris to see if they can do this without getting three strikes. If they do that, There'll be Box Office Bosses. But if they can't, they will be Box Office Bozos. So play along with or against them to see if you too can avoid becoming a Box Office Bozo. Bozo bozo. What do you think? It's been, well, it's been a while since we've done this, and didn't we fail the past two? Yeah. Yeah, so I think I don't keep stats. Uh I I didn't think we we did good and I'm curious to see where we're going here'cause

1:16 I want to come up on top. I want to, and whatever the song you played, I see an actor, but I'm like, is it him? But I don't know because the song I don't know has to do with him. So Well that song is Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz. Um Who do you think you might be doing? We're gonna do top 10. Gorilla movies. Movies about gorillas, exactly. Mighty Jo Young, King Kong, what was that? Project X with Matthew Broderick? No, your actor is Clint Eastwood. I am torn because We love Eastwood. I think Luke's seen many Eastwood. However, he's not. V Like Marvel box office blockbuster guy. He makes a tons. He's what 95 now? A ton of movies. Yeah. But it's like, He never like he doesn't have like a franchise movie's kinda like Westerns.

2:19 Back in the day. Back in the day Westerns are cops or or anything, but he doesn't He's this is going to be rough. And when's, Dave, you're going to tell us his top one is in his number 10th, right? His number 10. Let me tell you this. You're going to have to get, just as one more rehash of the rules, you have to get seven out of 10 here. and you get three strikes and then I even give you one more on your honor, so you kinda get four strikes. And the top grossing movie on his list is$547 million. Tell you what movie that he doesn't do voices, he's not in no Marvels, he's in no fucking Pixar, he's not at Disney's, he doesn't do that kind of stuff. He makes his own movies, which are, which are good. Number 10, 104 million. Oh, I thought it was gonna be like a lot less, like thirty something million. So you, I said, you know, you didn't know who you were doing until just now, until you just heard it. To me, I'm not saying I would be great at this. I would need the list. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. These are the movies, buddy, that I'm going to thought of first.

3:22 Like he made a bunch of he made five I think Dirty Harries. Yeah, but they're that's eighties money. I don't know that's gonna make hundreds of million. First one I thought of was Unforgiven, was like a big Oscar winning. And then I followed the Kevin Costner one, A Perfect World. Oh, fuck, he's on the internet. Fuck, he like directed his, I think. What's that one where he says, make my day? Get off my lawn. Oh, is that like Gran Turismo, but what is what's that one? Is it that one? Is there a game for Gran Turismo? There is a racing game called Gran Turismo. Yeah, that's different. He was in a different movie. Yeah, it's called That Sounds Similar. Yeah, it's that one, maybe. We gotta look. But before I look, I wanna say Unforgiven. I'm going out here with a bang. Unforgiven was an Oscar movie. This has to be in between. You said he wasn't in there. No, Unforgiven he was. It was a perfect world, which I thought he's, I don't know if he's in it. It's Kevin Costner and some kid. I think he directed it. Or is he in this too? He might be in that too. We got to look. It's been a long time, but I want to say Unforgiven first, Dave, is my first.

4:30 Yes, that's your safety. That's your safe word. That's the only one that I think. I know for sure that it's been his. Okay. And I mean, I picked him because. You love Clint Eastwood. You love him a lot more than I do. And you said that, like, your dad used to really. My dad used to watch everything. Whenever I used to come home, he always saw, I always saw fucking Eastwood films. The good, the bad, the ugly. Everything, anything, anything dirty hattery or western or aloe gushwood, everything that Eastwood was in. in his prime, my dad watched. That was all that's it was him or John Wayne. Pick. Pick a day, and it was one of those two guys. Okay. Well, then this one's for your dad. How about that? They will he will We'll take it. Before we even get to any of your Unforgiveness and stuff, you have to forgive me. I have to do this. What's your name, dude? Eastward. Clint Eastwood. What kind of stupid name is that?

5:34 What a great joke. That's fantastic. And I like how how Michael J. Fox, Marty McFly is a character, Eastwood, they leans in even cooler and the eyes squint a little bit. Clean Eastwood, yeah. All right, so you're starting with Unforgiven. You're shooting with that. You're feeling comfortable. All right. And as you're telling me. I'm bringing up IMDB for Clint Eastwood because you do that and I will tell you this. That Unforgiven came out in 1992. where he plays William Munny. It made $159 million and is number seven. Number seven. Oh, we're fucked. I thought that was his number one because it's Oscar worthy. Unforgiven is number seven. Buster, you were a cowardly son of a bitch. You just shot an unarmed man. He should have armed himself. Great line. Fantastic. All right, well you're on the board. Oh, that's it. Gran Torino.

6:37 What I say Turismo, Torino Game Tomato, Tomato. And see, here's hear me out. I just thought of one. Go ahead. American Sniper. But it says he's uncredited, but is that means he's still in it. Am I right? 'Cause I know, didn't he direct that too? He directed that, I think. Or no, that was. No, he directed it. Do you take uncredit roles, Dave, or no? Certainly do. That was if your face appears on the screen or your voice. I mean, you're in the movie. I don't care if you want to be crochet or combat. We're going to take turns. So then we can know who to fucking blame. I said, I forgive, and guess what? Mine's on the list. It's your turn. Dave? becomes the blame game. A moga sniper lock it in. I love that authority. Dave, American Sniper, lock it in. You fuck it in, you hear me, you son of a bitch.

7:40 I love that authority. Well, I'll tell you this, American Sniper came out in 2014. where he do does have an uncredited cameo. And made$547 million. That's a smoothie. Number one. Luke gets number one. Why? Why was that so big? I don't Bradley Cooper like why was it such a smash? Well It was good. Yeah, true story. Uh another Um Winner, like, like yeah. Like a lot of national pride. You know? And then that movie's so sad because of the PTSD that that guy. Had to go through. So kind of like a, you know, a triumphant story of getting through that. Yeah, it had everything going for it. Okay. Bradley Cooper was huge then. Like, I mean, not that he's not now, but it was like when it was like, we're going to get Bradley Cooper, people would lose their freaking minds. That was great too.

8:42 The rookie No, it's not the rookie you're thinking about who we just met, the guy from no no no, that's like is that about Charlie Sheen, I think, Dave back in the day. Yeah, that ain't that ain't that one. I'm gonna tell you this sign in the top 20. That might be my favorite Clint Eastwood movie. I love that movie so much. The Rookie with Charlie Sheen. I have two that's not in no Disney stuff. No, buddy. He doesn't need Disney. I got two that I think Gran Torino. You see old man Eastwood pissed. That was a smash. And then I want to say Million Dollar Baby. where I think he was like the trainer of her. And this was Oscar-winning. I think one of One for sure. Both I think made- Oh, he is in a perfect world. See, but see, that's, I love that. It was like 90, early 90s, I think. That's one of my favorite films. People think that made How much was the number 10, Dave? 130 something? Number 10 was 104. one oh four. I don't know if that made 104.

9:43 million dollars. Luke, it's I wanna s I wanna say he's uncredited in Casper. Than Casper? That's it. Casper, the friendly ghost. Let me see. They need to won't uncredit it. All right, well, I don't have that on the list. So don't worry. Did one of the ghosts do like an Eastwood voice or something like that? Or like an Eastwood squint? I don't know. I want to say Luke for sure. I'm going back here. See, now we're in the eight. Oh, in the line of fire. Fuck, that was good. And that's and that's right after Unforgiven. So he's he's he like protects the president and shit I think who wasn't that guy Gary Oldman in that Dave? Who's the bad guy in that? You're asking me for help. Well, just just to see who's who's in it. Down hands. John Malkovich. Dylan McDermott is in that too. That means nothing. Dylan McDermott. Dylan McDermott maybe had a few, you know.

10:45 old ladies with the with the what is that called when they're the menopause. Oh, that Dylan McDermott is so cute. Yeah. Someone turn the heat on in here. I'm having a hot flash. All right. I want to say you picked this one. I want to say. Cause right after Unforgiveness, so you're so you're still hot. I think you're still hot. I want to say In the Line of Fire, Dave. In the Line of Fire. No. Final answer. You know what's funny? In the Line of Fire, I see you here came out in 93. And Unforgiven was it like early like 91, 92? He was old back then. Yeah, we thought he was old and he wasn't. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'm gonna say In the Line of Fire, dude. All right, in the line of fire. I take back what I said about the rookie. This is my favorite. Clint Eastwood. This movie is fucking baller. It is fantastic. Nights under this. In the line of fire, he plays a character named Frank Horrigan. And I looked, it is one of four times on the top twenty that I have here that he plays a character named Frank.

11:54 He always plays a guy named Frank. I was who would play either Frank or fucking Harry, you know? Right. In the line of fire. $187 million is his number four all time. Wow. That high up on the list. What a great movie. That was Is one of one of his best. It's been so long since I've seen that too. Now, I forgot he was in that. Like, some of it, I'm like, oh my god, he was in that. Yes. Like, this is going to be like a. But he passes. Give me a rough um Fives to pick from his top five best films. You know, what if he's doing it right now as we're doing this? I'm telling you, I swear to Christ. How old is how old is he? He's like 95s or something. He might be like if it is two, it's 2:35 Sunday afternoon. If we find out that he died around 230ish, Yeah. It's our fault. We're done. We're done talking about any actor, anybody out there. We can't even mention anyone's name anymore. That's great.

12:57 Yeah, he's the he's the secret service agent who who had been on the Kennedy. detail. And like had problems with them you know doing it the way they did but he was overruled so he was there when Kennedy was shot. And now he's protecting this new president for this psycho. John Malkovich is like why is it everyone who ever knew you said that you're a sick son of a bitch? Your colleagues, your wife? What does your wife say about you, Frank? Oh, we're not talking about me. Frank, you of all people, I want you to understand. Why should we? Because we both used to think that this country was a very special place. Oh, but you know about me? Do you have any idea what I've done for God and country? Some pretty fucking horrible things. I don't even remember who I was before they sunk their claws into me. Made you into a real monster. That's right. And now they want to destroy me because we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside now, can we?

14:03 What do you see when you're in the dark? and the demons come. I see you, Frank. I see you standing over the grave of another dead president. That's not going to happen. That line I just gotta chill. Yeah. That line was in all of the trailers. And I think it's such a great line, especially the way he does it. I see you standing over the grave of another dead president. Holy shit what a line. This is, this makes me want to watch this movie again. This makes me think of Luke's favorite. Luke, have you seen this? No. This is this is a must-watch. Do you know what this is? This is so entertaining. Even fucking Rene Russo can't ruin this. Yeah. You know, the best part of this this scene is still clip. Seeing people on phones with cords. That's what you're fascinated by. I'm fascinated. That's how it was back in the day. You couldn't walk far because you were attached to the nearest wall or phone.

15:09 He's what is always splinting. That's who he is, man. Don't fucking question that. That's his trademark. Dare you? You are three for three. All right. The other two, what was I say? Gran Torino, yeah, was that thick and Million Dollar Baby? Those two, I think, because they were Oscar, like Million Dollar Baby won Oscar. Gran Torino, I think, won some shit too. I think. We should say say those. Gran Torino? Yeah, Gran Torino. Gran Tomato. Final answer. Alright. Gran Torino came out in two thousand eight where he plays Walt Kowalski. It made$270 million. It's number two. Yeah. See, yeah. What's that maybe about? I kind of forget just an old grumpy guy. Just don't stand on his lawn. For two hours. I don't know. It's been a while. That line is the takeaway from that movie. Get off my wall. Did you hear me? I said, get off my lawn now. Get off my lawn now.

16:14 What's that about again? Does he with a car? Like, what is this movie? I forget. I don't remember. I know there's like a kid. There's a kid, I think, that's being. Is there a kid being bullied or something? And protecting his kid. Isn't there like a Chinese kid in his neighborhood? And he's just like a grouchy guy, but it's like, you know, he's trying to do what's right. But he also really gives a damn about his lawn. Yeah, that was that was that was a A huge movie. I had Doctor Scholes come in twice a week. Don't ruin my Kentucky bluegrass. And I got a Million Dollar Baby, but he's next. It's Morgan Freeman, it's him. And the girl won Best Actress, I think, for this. That's in there. Yeah. How many did we get raised up for? Four? You're four for four. So let's say Million Dollar Baby, and then this should be five. Now is when after this, we're going to be having some tough times. Save my another baby. Mm locking it. Mm-hmm. Million Dollar Baby came out in 2004 where he plays Frank.

17:19 done. Uh yeah, and another Frank character. It made$217 million. This is number three. So you have the top four. In the books you are five for five. Alright, now is where where he makes stuff, but was A Perfect World big? I liked it a lot and it there i I think Kevin Costner was a droll. Do you want to go with Perfect World? That was a Warner Brothers movie. It was, I have the movie banner if anyone cares. I think this should be on the list'cause because Once we hit like his like late eighties and stuff, it's like what like these movies. Like the Eastwoods and and yeah, the Eastwoods dumbass. The Har the Dirty Harry's The city heats, the the tightropes. No, they now were like in his 70s. These don't make money back in the day. Gotta be something from like 90s on up. So when you do wanna

18:22 World buddy. Ingo is a perfect world. Alright Day, perfect world, final answer. All right. A Perfect World also came out in 1993. Same year as In The Line of Fire. He was a busy dude. Uh he played a character named Red Garnet. And it made$135 million, and it's number eight. You are just on fire. You're six for six. I'm honest though. It's the 90s on up. Am I right? Do we need one more? He didn't make anything. In the 80s, that made this much money. Even though we still enjoyed Eastwood back in the day, you know what I mean? But like like Firefox and Tightrope and all and and the Heartbreak Ridge I think it's called like We need one more, right, Dave? You only need one more. You're looking at a clean sweep here. Say, now there's, I'm torn between two, Luke, all right? I will Bridges of Madison Thatcher. That's Madison.

19:24 County. That is the one I'm I'm torn between that one. And Space Cowboys, which I think I like. What's Space Cowboys? It's it's it's four old fuckers. It's it's Cowboys in Space. Yeah, it's it's Tommy Lee Jones, Eastwood, Donald Sutherland, James Garner. Two of them rest in peace. And actually, it's a movie that seems to old men go to space. I think that. That I'm torment between I'm torment between that one and Bridges, but Bridges was a huge book. Go Bridges and and Matt and uh who's the Meryl Streep in this. Yeah. People love Meryl Streep. Yeah. Um Okay. You wanna n Lock it in? You lock it in. Alright Dave. This is this is if this one's wrong, we're like done then because the rest are like. Pink Cadillac? No. There's there's no Bronco Billy? No. I wish. I always say East with the other East. I always say when I see Dirty Harry,

20:25 Think of, I think, Eastwood, because that's what it is. I always dirty Harry's was on his list, but like Sudden Impact. Might be. 'Cause that was like a a huge one, but um Yeah, Dave. Lock it and bridges and mad Madison. Alright, Bridges of Madison County came out in 1995 right after these other things. He was smoking. Back to being a leading man again. where he plays Robert Kincaid. That movie made $182 million. It's number five. And you two have swept Clint Eastwood right off his raggedy old feet. Please don't die on me. Wow. I'm impressed. I'm curious now. are the ones that that we miss. Just, I'm without looking on IMDB anymore. Give us like like like Probably me, Mario'cause he's not gonna know. Like the like an actor.

21:26 Who was in the ones that we missed? We didn't m miss any, honestly. Well, I mean, the ones that are left over. Okay. Uh I'll give you number du d du du du da six. character I will give you is Lawrence Fishburne Is that is that Absolute Power? Oh, it's fishball. I don't know this one. Absolutely no, it's long for 2018. I would never have gotten this. I've never seen this movie. No, I don't know. The Mule. We saw that. Yeah. Made$174 million is number six. Oh my god, like I saw that on the list and like I thought that was like Did they go right to the was it was that in theaters? I guess it was, I guess. And we saw that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I wouldn't even guess that one. Never saw that.

22:27 Number nine, you would have gotten this either way. Your guest star then is Tommy Lee Jones. Was it was it? Space Cowboys? Space Cowboys, where he plays Frank. Corvin Game On 2000 made$129 million. I enjoyed watching that back in the day. I thought it was, it was, it was. Fun? Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of funny. They were all retired. Like they had already been to space, right? Like they think so. And then they were elderly astronauts, but they needed this mission. And it was like, well, let's get these. guys that had done it before. Right. It's basic cowboys. And number 10. I mean, all I can tell you is his co-star was an orangutan. Kidding? Are you telling me that either it is? Either. Anyway, wa where but loose or you c or whatever anywhere you can, whatever. Is number 10. 1978 Every Which Way but Loose. Made$104 million. In 1978, is that the first one?

23:30 That's the first one. He pays Philo Beddoe. That movie, I looked it up because I think that's a lot of freaking money in 1978. And I remember those movies when we were a kid. Oh, yeah. They did the adjusted for inflation numbers for Every Which Way but Loose. How much is that?$500 million. That's insane. Yeah. For him, buddy, he drove a truck and his passion was an orangutan. And when someone drove next to the orangutan or would curse at him or do something, he would have the orangutan. What was his name, Clyde? Right, Right turn, Clyde. Yeah. He would give the people a finger. He would. Out shit, and is it orangutan and Clint Eastwood? Yeah, it was him. It was him and orangutan. Right turn, Clyde. Right turn, Clyde. Clint Eastwood punched people so 500 million. It was a second orangutan punching people.

24:33 Well the funniest thing about that then, I have 11 through 19 then as well. Ooh, is there any Dirty Harry's in there. Well, I can ask you further questions since you've destroyed this. Well done, guys. Like, wow. Luke. I don't even think you've seen many eastwards. Yeah. Um 11. Is Any Which Way You Can. I am shocked that these two movies are that close together and almost in the top 10. 1980 made 70 million, so both of them back to back. are his 10 and 11. That's true. How about I do this rather than giving you a co-star? Because in a lot of these movies, Honestly he's He's the movie. If I give you a coaster, you're going to be like, I don't know who that is. What if I give you a year and a genre? How about that? Okay. We'll start with number 19. 1985 Western. See, I don't know the the the mid eighties of Eastwoods.

25:37 See, every time I think like Outlaw Josey Wales or all those movies, I always think they're in the big Western 60s, 70s, but it might be those. Did they make them in the 80s? Um or or hang em is hang'em high one? And I'll tell you this: he was a mysterious preacher. I remember that from this. I don't know this one, Dave. I've drawn a blank. Pale Rider. Ow. Made 41 million. This is the kind of money you were talking, probably thinking about, right? Like Pale Rider, 41 million. Yeah, yeah. Firefox, 38 million. The rookie, 27 million. Yeah. 18 is 1966 Western. It's it's one of those. It's either Hang'em High or Josey Wales. Or the good, bad, the ugly. It's the good, bad, and the ugly. Make 25 million. But twenty five million and sixty six is is good. But it was a it was 25 million originally, and it made more than that in re-releases. And then I'll skip to 16, which is the outlaw Josey Wales.

26:40 in 1976 made 31 million. This is what you're thinking about. Uh yeah, yeah. All right, uh number seventeen, nineteen seventy one. movie. That's that's all it's a dirty hair. It's it's it's one of the dirty hairies in. It's the original Dirty Harry at 36 million. That's all it made. But that was a lot of money in 1971, probably. But that's out of all those Dirty Harry films, that's his number one money making Dirty Harry. It's not because I'm going, I'm still creeping up the list here. Oh, are you going backwards, Tom? Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. All right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number 15, 1979. Uh drama. Um Uh criminal criminal drama. I'll say that. Yeah. I'm drawing a blank. I don't know at least 70s of dramas. Escape from Alcatraz. Oh, yeah. That is great. 43 Million, where he plays the real guy, Frank Morris.

27:45 Birdman of Frank. Yeah, the birdman of Malcontros. 14. Your year is 1982 and this is a military movie. Is this the Heartbreak Ridge? Is it Heartbreak Ridge? Is that the melworm? That's the melworm. I said this earlier. I did, huh? Oh, Firefox. Firefox. Okay. Okay. Came out in 1982. I remember watching that when I was little. And there's a scene because he's like he's like infiltrating like Soviet airspace. And he's flying this like top secret jet. You remember that? That was what the jet was called the Firefox. I do, yeah. And he was going to like these like crazy altitudes to like not be seen. And I remember the cockpit, his nose starts bleeding. Do you remember that? I don't remember that part. And I remember watching this, I think, and then like somebody I was like, why is his nose bleeding? Nobody punched him or anything. And they're like, oh, that's what happens to you when you go up in high altitudes and I was like, yeah, I'm never getting on a plane. Right, right. I'm staying on the ground at all times. Right. So they're like, every time you go on a plane, you get a nosebleed.

28:56 Yeah. 1997 Political drama. But you said this already as well. I did. Absolute Power. Absolute Power. He made$50 million. Who's in that with him? Is it just president in that because it's about the president right like Is it Gene Hackman? I think it's Gene Hackman again. Oh like the j the president commits some kind of crime and he's a witness. And they're trying to like Rub them out. because the president's going to get away with it because he has Absolute Power. Right, right. Gee, that sounds smire. Yeah, it's like some shit that you would see just like on CNN on a f Wednesday now. And number 12, 1983, cop drama. Cops drama. I don't think we're drama in there. I was going to say it's another Dirty Harry movie. Sudden Impact is the highest-grossing Dirty Harry movie at$67 million.

30:05 That That is that I think that's not his name, Dirty Harry. His name is Harry Callahan. Yeah. But his his his nickname is is is Dirty Harry, but goddamn, this these are the movies that my dad Always watch at all times. The whole is you know, for power, man gun is the top gun, you know, in the world. You literally hate to clean off. Like, I've seen it that clip so many times as a young child. Yeah. Will you guys say great? Congratulations. This is fantastic. You did a great job for, I think, honestly, never seeing an inclined movie. That's funny. I've seen some. Which ones would you say? Mule, oh, yeah, the ones ended later in his career, Gran Torino. Well, thank you, Dave. I never think Gran Torino. I've never seen that? Thank you, Dave, for taking us on this horseback ride back in Eastwood time. And and and we're we're we're winners, buddy. Yep. You are not Box Office Bozos.

31:06 We're back, baby. will join us again. See if they can continue to not be Box Office Bozos. [Music: Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz]

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0:00 When I was in my late teens I spent a summer with my great aunt Penelope in the Hamptons. Surrounded by opulence and excess, I recall feeling a bit out of place. We would dine at fancy restaurants, eating caviar and chateaubriand. The patrons would snap their fingers at the waitstaff and laugh at the way that they would quote. Get so happy after a measly one hundred dollar tip. We would spend the weekends sipping cocktails, mocktails in my case, on million dollar yachts. I would listen to the conversations from afar. My friend at Goldman Sachs says this, and my brother at Harvard Law says that. It was both exhilarating and exhausting, seeing how the other side lived. That summer, surrounded by the so called elite, I learned to appreciate the humble lifestyle I enjoyed at the time.

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3:40 On any given night you could party with Wall Street playboys, supermodels, real estate tycoons, and a plethora of celebrities from every medium imaginable. It seemed to be an idyllic place. Free from the troubles of the real world. But it might surprise you to know that even in this small ocean side town there Crime could rear its ugly head. It's a lovely evening in Palm Beach. The party is in full swing at a large, garish mansion on the coast. Amongst the guests two local socialites. Muff Vandermuffen, and Biff Duffet. Known by everyone as Uncle Biff. I would always see them dancing at the yacht club with the snowbirds. They were always the life of the party. That was Brad W., a longtime resident of Palm Beach and owner of the Permanent Vacation Travel Agency. Uncle Biff was this big shot lawyer from New York.

4:44 He was loud and abrasive, but he had this ability to draw people to him like no one I'd ever known. He'd call you a bastard, but it would still make you feel amazing. here was crazy. Brad was not the only person to say this about Uncle Biff. Uncle Biff was very direct. He didn't ask you to do anything. He would tell you, walk this way, talk this way. Give me a kiss. fan of a turn on. That was Angel Hamilton. She was known in the nineties as one of Palm Beach's wallet riders. She was at all the big parties and knew all the players, Now in her fifties, her main focus is acting as CEO of Just Push Play, a non-profit which provides super stretched limos to take underprivileged children to the rock concert of their choice. As nice as he made you feel, there was always this feeling that it was all just a mask. Like an act he was putting on for everyone. I don't know how to describe it, but there was this

5:45 darkness I could feel in the air when he was around. I didn't ever want to be alone with him. Then there was Muff. She was your stereotypical rich white woman, shallow, vapid, and absolutely awful to anyone she felt was below her. She would definitely be on one of those real housewife shows if she was around today. Victoria Muff Vandermuffen was a staple of the Palm Beach party scene from the 70s through the early 90s. The daughter of Reginald Vandermuffen, she was the heir to the scratch-and-sniff sticker fortune. She always smelled of money. and faintly root beer. Those two would always order a top-shelf martini and a bottle of Dom to start off every party. Biff would then head to the pool and spray champagne on all the young girls at the pool. Usually just pour her Dom right into her empty martini glass after finishing it, usually emptying the bottle in less than 10 minutes.

6:51 I never could figure them out. Were they a couple or just friends? All I know is where you saw one, you saw the other. They were like Gin and tonic. That was Lenny Kramer, a bartender who would frequently work weekends at various house parties around town in the nineties. I thought they were amusing, but Stephen, man, he hated them. hated all of them. But he especially despised Muff and Uncle. Stephen Tyler was another bartender on the scene back then. He and Lenny often paired up at these events. Stephen had moved from Boston in the seventies and made a pretty decent living bartending in clubs around Fort Lauderdale and Miami. before meeting Lenny, who convinced him that the real money was in private events. I met Stephen at Ragdolls, a themed techno nightclub on Miami Beach that featured life-size, scantily clad Raggedy Ann and Andy dolls everywhere. He was the demon behind the bar, spinning bottles, lighting them on fire, pouring shots 15 at a time.

7:58 For the guests and five for him. Man, he could pound them back in those days. He never seemed to get drunk. The only way you could tell he was wasted was when he started going off about the Muppets. Kept saying that in like 35 years, we'd all be replaced by Muppets. Weird God. Anyways, after a crazy brawl between these ravers and some goth kids that nearly got the place burned down, Stephen quit bartending. tried his hand at DJing. Didn't really have what it takes, so I convinced him to get back in the saddle again and come to Palm Beach with me to work the party scene. He seemed to like it at first. The money was great. Those rich a-holes tossed around wads of hundreds for tips just to show off for whatever girls they brought with them. But eventually he really started to hate them. He said they made him feel dirty, cheap. I spoke to several other people who worked the party scene back then, and they all said the same thing about Stephen.

9:03 He really seemed to hate the rich, and for some reason, The Muppets. I remember Stephen. He was so sexy with his long hair in tight pants. He had the most luscious lips I've ever kissed. They were plump like Barbara Hershey's in the movie Beaches. He was a good time. but he hid a darkness within him. he was always living on the edge. That was Svetlana Yakminov. She was the pool girl at the home of a man everyone simply referred to as Jeffrey. Svetlana came to Palm Beach from Russia as a girl, looking to break into the modelling business. After little success she ended up working for this Jeffrey, serving cocktails to wealthy businessmen by the pool. The money was good and Jeffrey gave me a place to stay most nights. I guess I had it pretty good all things considered. Anyways, I started dating Stephen in 1992. You were so fun.

10:04 Unless you mention the rich people. Or the Muppets. Then he was mostly fun. I started to notice Stephen doing little things to mess with the rich pricks. Nothing major. Stuff like spitting in the drinks or giving Donald a regular Coke instead of diet. I asked Lenny, Donald Who? Come on, you know. A mysterious non-answer. What was going on in Palm Beach in the early nineties? Then he started to put Ex-Lax or visine in the drinks. over serve people just to get them to pass out or puke. I told him to cut it out or he's gonna get us fired. I thought things were getting better until the night that Muff and Uncle Biff disappeared. On the night of January 24th, 1993, at a party at the Guggenfeller Residence, Muff and Uncle Biff vanished without a trace. I recall that night quite well. I was with Muff and Biff in the Grotto Pool when Jeffrey and Dawn came over with a bunch of young ladies that were in town for some pageant. You know, the same old song and dance.

11:11 Biff ordered a case of Dom from this long-haired bartender and began spraying everyone with it, concentrating most of it on this pretty blonde in a green bikini. All of a sudden, this drink monkey ran in front of her, taking the brunt of it. And then he started spouting obscenities as he stalled off to change his shirt, pulling this blonde away with him to the other side of the grotto. That was Hampton Guggenfeller, heir to the I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Fortune, one of the last people to see Muff and Biff alive. I thought it was hilarious, even more so when Biff tossed a wad of cash at him and yelled, Hey, maybe you can try off with this. Muff laughed so hard I thought her Botox was gonna give out. Stephen was so angry. He didn't expect his baby sister Janie to be there. She was freshman, just seventeen. Living in New Hampshire. studying archaeology. It's one reason why Stephen was working so hard to put her through school.

12:15 But he could only do so much. found that pageants were another way for her to pay for education. She knew that men involved were creeps. But she could take care of herself. She was just as surprised to see Stephen as he was to see her. I was in a storage shed piling up pool noodles for a party when Stephen and this half-naked girl came in arguing. He kept saying these rich pricks couldn't be trusted and how they would use her like a Bolivian ragamuffin. He said that there were better ways to earn an honest living and their parents wanted better for her. She said she could take care of herself and stormed off. That was Joe Perry, Hampton's longtime pool boy and amateur foot model. I met with him at a pier where he was doing a photo shoot featuring flip-flops with bottle openers in the solar system. Stephen went back to the party, but he kept a close eye on the blonde, continually muttering under his breath that he was gonna teach them all a lesson and how he was tired of how they always called us the ordinary people and how we make them sick.

13:17 Stephen was still pretty mad when I talked to him in break room. I asked him what's wrong, he said I am sick of other beaching about the poodles in their pills. I said Stephen, it's kinda funny, they play joke on you. took a big drink of Jack Daniels and laughed. He say, a joke? just can see no humor about their way of life. Then he went to snack table and picked up some utensils and said, I think I could do more for them with this here fork and knife. Then he put them in apron he was wearing. We all stole silverware from those parties, so I think nothing of it. Once I walked out with entire candelabra under my coat. The gathering went on into the wee hours of the night, and it was the usual scene of excess and drunken debauchery. Until witnesses say that Janie was cornered by Muff and Uncle Biff by a life-sized naked cherub fountain with the face of Mario Lopez. They said it was a heated exchange, which ended with Janie storming off into the house and the couple following her.

14:20 Stephen left the bar and followed close behind. They never came back to the party, and no one ever saw Muff and Uncle Biff alive again. When the party was finally over, about 4am, I was the last one to leave the gate. And since I couldn't find Stephen, I had to pick up all the bikini tops in the bushes and pack up all the bars by myself. I went out to my souped up Ford and I saw that Stephen's van was gone. What was unusual about that night was that not only had Stephen left the party in a hurry before collecting his tips, but a Soviet-issued handgun was missing from the wall display in the Guggenfellers library. Since they didn't work, no one in Palm Beach noticed that Muff and Biff were missing until the next big party on the island, two days later. Those two never missed an island party, especially when it was a theme night. That night it was toys in the attic. All of us dressing up like our favorite childhood toy. I was a tinker toy. Donald was the Monopoly Man, and Jeffrey was the guy from Operations.

15:28 Good thing it wasn't too cold. We were sure that Muff and Biff would walk through that door dressed as sexy furbies any minute, but they never showed up. When the police went to Muff and Biff's house, they found the house ransacked and several valuables missing. But most disturbing was what they found in the refrigerator. We turned over every inch of that house and, you know, that's hard work. You get peckish. And hell, cold cuts aren't evidence, right? I opened the fridge and there was a lot of booze, but not much food. Except for this weird green jello mole. I was hungry enough for jello, but... Then I noticed things floating in it. they were peaches, but then I realized they were some ladies' fingers. So, while we didn't have lunch, We found a clue. Fingers had these long manicured nails with little diamonds on the tips. We figured they had to be muffs. That was Deputy Joseph Simmons from the PBPD.

16:28 Thanks to forensic science, they were able to confirm that they had indeed belonged to Muff. They weren't just cut off and put in there. They seem to have been prepared like bursting at the sides like overdone hot dogs Five days later, in Bossier, Louisiana, another hand was found in front of a discount liquor store called Cheers. I was uh first on the scene. of cheers, Mr. Cliff Peterson. Found the hand on an empty wine crate. to a crisp and was holding an empty champagne flute. That was Detective Daryl McDaniels of the LPD. And that wasn't all they found that morning. There was a note. stabbed onto the crate with a big barbecue fork. It read, don't get mad, get even on one side and on the other side, a toast to Biff. He always loved his champagne. The hand in question was Uncle Biff's right hand.

17:31 wearing a gaudy ring with the initials B D written in diamonds. It also had a bite mark on the side. A very large bite mark. Whoever took a bite out of that hand Had a very big mouth. I followed the reports westward. The next stop was in Beaumont, Texas at the Nine Lives Tavern. It was here that a cocktail waitress named Luanne made a startling discovery on the morning of February 10th, 1993. It was a foot. To be cooked about medium rare. It looked like something took a bite out of it before it was stuffed into a crystal slipper about three sizes too small. There was a note pinned to it with a barbecue skewer. It said, Sorry, Muff. No prince charming for you. I ain't never seen nothing like this. Kinda sicko does something like that. That was former Deputy Jay Bryant. He quit the force after this incident and opened his own business, Jay's, jellies, and jams.

18:33 Where he's known as Jam Master J. I interviewed him over a cup of coffee and a delicious scone with Boysenberry preserves. An eyewitness saw Mr. Tyler and a young blonde outside of Nine Lives around 3 a.m. serving folks from a food truck with the word flesh spray painted on the side. I was living down under the overpass. And all of a sudden, I smelled this heavenly smell, like roasted pork shoulder. So much better than the rats in the cellar I'd been eating. That was Randy B. He didn't give me a last name. But he lived on the streets for several years when he met two people matching Stephen and Janie's descriptions. I see these two broads working this food truck. So I came up to the window to ask for a nibble. They were both working the grille with their backs to me. I said, Well, hello, ladies. I must have scared them because they both jumped and turned around and holy crap one of them's a dude. That was a surprise, cause hell, that dude looked like a lady. The dude said, You don't want any of this.

19:38 Might be too rich for you. Then they both started laughing like maniacs. They laughed for like a minute. I don't know what was so funny. I looked at the grill and I swear I saw what looked like a butt cheek with the word Muff in cursive like a USDA mark on it. I was so hungry I didn't care. They gave me a little bit and I was on my way and I never saw them again. It wasn't half bad though. Tasted like chicken. And I didn't think it was very rich at all. I don't know what was so funny. The clues were fading fast, and there seemed to be an end to the trail of broiled body parts. I had almost given up hope and was camped at the Duck on a Rock formation in the Grand Canyon when I received an intriguing email. I found myself back on the road on my way to Palm Springs. We were changing out the sand on Hole 17 after a pretty bad gopher infestation. You gotta change it out every few years. It's a bit of a scavenger hunt. You find loose change, lost balls, sometimes a club or two. But I was not prepared for what I found. That was Rob Fawcett, a caddy at the Deuces are Wild golf club and casino in in Palm Springs.

20:56 He saw my post on Reddit and claimed that he found something relevant to the search in a sand trap back in June of 1997. I thought it was a branch when I hit it with my shovel. But uh that hole is nowhere near a tree. Pulled it out, and it was a human leg, foot and all. Words carved into the bone. It said, I take one bite now, come back for more. Stuck it into my golf bag. This kind of thing can destroy the reputation of a club. And we were not doing well. I took it to the cops a few days later, but I said that I found it on the grassy knoll outside of the property. I was running out of time before I had to return a book to the library back in Chicago. I understand the importance of a timely return, and I don't want to keep anyone from being able to borrow Sweet Emotion, the latest romance novel from Velvet Hartwell. I followed one last lead from old police blotters. In February of 1994, a local convenience clerk in Santa Clara claimed to have been robbed at gunpoint by a couple with a food truck who sounded oddly familiar. I had been at this job for just five hours.

22:13 And all of a sudden this long haired guy with a bunch of silk scarves wrapped around his face comes in with this tall blonde woman. And they started yelling for me to give them what's in my register. He says Janie's got a gun and she knows how to use it. It looked really old. I didn't even think it was real. She got mad and threw a box of raisinettes at him and said, Damn it, don't use my name. I started crying. and the guy just shoved me aside and reached into my drawer and took everything. And then he grabbed a map of Beverly Hills and they laughed. I know there are risks anywhere you work, but I draw the line at getting robbed. That was my first and last day there. It was much safer going back to beauty school. That was Betsy Collins, now a hairdresser in San Dimas, specializing in wigs for pets. With this clue, I fueled up my RV and headed to Beverly Hills. It was there that the trail seemed to have come to an end.

23:20 So I was doing my weekly maintenance of cacti when I noticed this whole bunch of cats, a clouder, if you will. gathering around this one clump of stones. That was Jim Honey. Retired groundskeeper at Beverly Hills Garden Park. So this Grey Poupon jar sticking out of these two white rocks and When I went to pick it up, thinking one of these rich guys was littering in my park, and I realized. They weren't no rocks. Butt cheeks. Nothing else, just just disembodied butt cheeks. Well when I looked up I noticed there was a note stuck on the cactus behind the behind. picked it up and it read I believe in rags to riches. Your inheritance won't last. He reported this incident to police, who for years were unable to identify the body part, referring to it only as John Doe's Rear JDR for short.

24:31 I convinced the Sheriff's Office to conduct DNA testing on JDR, and they found out that it was. Indeed, The End of Uncle Biff This is the final clue I was able to find. If you have any information on any body parts found after 1993 between Florida and Beverly Hills, please let me know. With this gruesome end to such a charmed pair of lives, he It leaves me with questions. What happened to Janie and Stephen? Did they in fact eat the rich, and if so, did they go well with wine? Will I ever solve a mystery? Or should I just dream on? All great questions with few answers. Until next time, this is Rocked. I'm Larah Nimoi.

In this episode

Also mentioned

• The Best of Fives – Zombies, with plenty of Resident Evil talk
• Seeing Buddy early with the Pass the Popcorn crew

More from Streams and Nightmares, including the Halloween franchise special.

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0:22 Hello and welcome to Streams and Nightmares, where the horror is always streaming and the nightmares never end. I'm your host, Dave, your host, the best, the worst, and the bloodiest streaming horror on all streaming services. Welcome back to the show for a long time. I have been very lax in recording this show. Partly because I'm lazy, partly because all of us have kind of been taking a little impromptu break from NEOZAZ for a good reason. And we're back. And I didn't really want to do stuff like this with this show because I do watch a lot of movies and I wanted to cover them and give them the you know, the attention that I they either deserve or don't deserve. But I'm giving you what I'm calling my late summer dump. I got too many things to go through. By the time I go through these and give them to you five at a time, some of these things might not even be streaming anymore on on anything. So I wanted to get these out there. I'm only going to hit you with the trailers for the better things, the things that I think you might want to watch, and I'm going to gloss over the things that you're probably going to want to avoid. But I really got, I got a ton of movies here, like 20-some movies. And I don't like to do this because I want to give them the attention because I do enjoy doing this show and.

1:39 Whether or not anyone listens is an added bonus. So I appreciate you listening. You're going to get my late summer dump right about now. Starting with one that I do recommend because I am going to play the trailer. This is from 1983 Classic Stream. It's called the Final Terror. And a lot of these are on Prime that I'm going to tell you about because I do tell you where they are streaming. And I see these things pop up. And I guess because I love slasher movies. The traditional Friday the 13th pattern, I get a lot of these recommended to me and they do become very redundant. This one caught my eye because of the people that are in it. There were several So Future celebrities to some degree, anyway, in this movie, including Adrian Zmed. Yes, Grease 2 and TJ Hooker's very own Adrian Zmed. Joe Pantoliano is in this. Most notably, maybe Daryl Hannah is in this. This is. Real early. This is pre-splash.

2:42 Daryl Hannah but it is the tried and true telling. of people at a camp. and some terrible shit going on. And here's the trailer, and I'm going to tell you why. I think it was pretty damn good. There is nothing to be afraid of. to sleep here all night if there wasn't something wrong. Friends aren't really missing. They're not really dead.

3:51 Just some kind of joke. That thing that's out there, whatever it is, can't be real. It's just your imagination. I swear I'm not dreaming. I'm not dreaming it! Or maybe just this once. You're dead wrong. Legend is told in whispers: an unholy tale of an unknown force alien to this world. You don't know what you're dealing with, lady. Without knowing, they have awakened a terrifying evil. Alone and unprotected. Now comes the naked horror. Final Terror. I'm convinced that the guy doing the voiceover of this doesn't know what the movie's about. Cause they talk about it being like an alien to this. There's no aliens.

5:17 It's And I don think maybe they don't mean th You know, necessarily aliens, just not from there. I mean, I don't, the voiceover doesn't necessarily go well with what's going on. This is a bunch of people being terrorized by some old kooky person. In the woods. It's it's pretty good. I forgot the other guy that's in it that made me laugh, is his name's Mark Metcalfe. in their forties and fifties would know him. from Seinfeld as the Maestro. And um he's also the the guy in the Twisted Sister. The videos. Mister Sister that guy. He's in this. It's a lot of fun and I think I like this. I only gave it a five out of 10, but it was very watchable and I enjoyed it a lot. the reason that it was better than some of the other things that I talk about a lot. Is because of the quality of actor. All of those people that I mentioned. And I think that that upped the ante. You felt like they were really in peril rather than you just like hating them and waiting for them to die. That's what generally ends up happening. I can't wait for these people to die in these movies. In this one, I was worried about them. I was hoping they survived because I did like them so much. The guy that's like one of the stars in this, and I don't know his name, I never heard of him.

6:37 Anything else? I remember looking him up when I watched it. He is the spitting image of a young Sam Rockwell, and he plays it very much like Sam Rockwell. So I feel like I was also watching a Sam Rockwell movie, which is always a good thing because he's fucking fabulous. I like this. I gave it a five out of ten, man. Telling you, this is the greatest thing ever, but it is a really good rendition of a Friday the 13th. Movie. It starts like every single one of them. There's a bus. They're singing old camp songs. And this one, I think they're singing Row, Row, Row, The Goddamn Boat. You know, like it's like these things that you have to get into these movies. They do it all. This one's not so bad. So the Final Terror is streaming on Prime. And I think you should watch it. I'm gonna blow through some of these before I get to the next trailer. That's the way I have this set up. I'm gonna give you a good one and then a lot of horseshit to wade through, starting with 2025s. content. This is a one out of ten. This is somebody's idea of being clever, of this guy who is luring actors into.

7:44 a kind of like a a a web based group with their Auditions and scenes going on, but he's killing them. It's really, really stupid. They think that they're very funny and they're very clever and they're not at all. This is a giant waste of time, but it is streaming on Prime. I gave it a one out of 10. only because that's how I have to put it on my list or it won't even rate it. They won't even collect it as a movie. One out of ten, content, terrible. 1988 Spellbinder. On MGM Plus, this drew me in be also because of the cast. It's Kelly Preston. And Tim Daly. Very young. And It's a witch movie. It's a it's a movie about like uh it's it's like demonic. Kind of witches, like a coven of witches. She's a witch. She has powers. She wants to use them for good, but she's being controlled by a group of Rosemary's babies, like old people. who are manipulating her.

8:46 And Tim Daly and her Are trying to have a romantic relationship, and her witchiness is getting in the way. Watching her was fun because I've always been a fan of her, God rest her soul. But this is a three out of 10. And a skipper. Next, I've heard this one mentioned a lot as one of the better movies to really keep an eye on because I do like the comedy horror angle and it's mermaid. 2025. It is like a messed up version of Splash, speaking of Daryl Hannah, where a guy who is just pathetic and down on his luck rescues a mermaid, but instead of it being Sexy Time Daryl Hannah. It's a it's a monster. But he still carts it around as his girlfriend. So there's a little bit of weekend at Bernie's in this too. I did get a couple of chuckles out of it, but in general, this was a waste of time. I gave it a three out of ten. Uh There's big people in this, not big, but there's people in it that you'll recognize. Like Robert Patrick's in it, Tom Arnold is in the beginning. The one reason I probably was like, oh, this is going to be good, is that Kevin Nealon is in it. And I do really like Kevin Nealon, even he's wasted.

9:54 This is a mermaid. If you're seeing things like this is a must-watch horror comedy movie of the year. Not for me. But it is on Prime. if you want to give it a shot. Next up, also on Prime. We got Monkey's Magic Merry Go Round from 2024. This is a bad version of Buddy. So if you're still into watching movies in the movie theater. I watch a lot of these still, either by myself or with the guys from Pass the Popcorn. And we went and saw a buddy. We saw a sneak preview uh mystery. movie where they call'em at AMC, they call them Scream Unseen. We saw Buddy and it was a lot of fun. I really recommend Buddy when it comes out on streaming. This is a version of this before Buddy. It's not like ripping off Buddy. It is before. But it is a bad version of Buddy. Monkey's Magic, Merry-Go-Round. There's just one guy basically who is the host with a lot of puppets around him as he goes crazy and starts to.

10:56 or that you find out that he's done stuff to his family. Um, it wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but it was three out of 10. And just wait for Buddy, honestly, if you're going to watch one of these movies. Next, 2022's Hellraiser, the remake, streaming on Hulu. I gave this a 4 out of 10. I've never been a Hellraiser fan. Of the 80s Hellraisers, the original would be the best. This is probably the second best. It's pretty tried and true to the story with that goddamn box and those freaking monsters coming back. I really just don't care about Hellraiser. I've always thought it was just overproduced. And kind of boring. And that's what I would say about this. But it is a new take on that. It's streaming on Hulu and maybe might be worth watching a four out of 10. It got close. uh i just just I've never been a Hellraiser guy. Next. To one that I think you should watch. Streaming on Prime, this is a movie called Man Finds Tape.

11:57 A little bit of like a mockumentary, but a horror mockumentary of a guy who finds a tape in his basement with his name on it. And stuff that maybe his parents had done, stuff that his sister was involved with. But this guy, who is a real mess, is trying to come to grips with what the hell happened to him in his childhood. Here's the trailer. I want you to place your hand there on the TV screen. We're going to say a prayer today. Heavenly Father, protect us through all that should trouble us. That is me. Why is this here? What is this doing up here? Pour out a blessing among us, O Lord. Keep us. Near your heart. Something is happening here and I need your help. When something like this happens to you, like you don't trust reality anymore.

12:59 I just remember waking up tied to that chair. It sounds like Oh yeah. As the devil works, so shall the one true God. As the demons were working, so are the angels. And friends, there will be a visitation of man by the angels. God speaks to us in ways that we cannot understand. For as the shepherd calls, I say again, Hallelujah, for when the shepherd calls. Oh no. Did you feel? That's the blessing. I want to be sent before.

14:16 Mayfancy, uh Really original? I mean, there are things here that you've seen before as far as there's a religious guy maybe controlling some of these people, but anybody that's been affected by this, they kinda like just put their head down and they don't remember anything is happening. And then when you find and dig a little deeper, they have like holes all in their body. All of these things are explained and they come to fruition as the movie goes on. I found it unsettling. Captivating, kept me interested, which a lot of these don't. They sometimes have a good premise, and you're like, okay, I'm with this, I'm with this. And they lose steam as they go on. This one did not. I needed to know what was happening in here. And I did finally find out and I was satisfied. I gave this a 6 out of 10. This is on Prime as well. I recommend Man Finds Tape. I'll tell you what I don't recommend. 2013's The Zombie King. Now I may have just watched this because I do love Corey Feldman.

15:19 I watch everything. that I can get my hands on. Listen to his music. And I mean this in a way where I'm not like a fan fan. It is just fascinating. I could do a whole show just on Corey Feldman about how mesmerizing this person is. As to his personal life, his entertainment life, his music career. Don't get me started is what I'm trying to say. But in 2013, he made a zombie movie called The Zombie King with Ed Furlong. This is on Prime. This is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life, mainly because it's a lot of Ed Furlong. Who never was a great actor, and as an older, aging, caring even less actor. Even worse, when Feldman shows up as like the zombie king, he is the zombie king. He's also the comeback king, if you listen to his music. In this case, he's the zombie king.

16:22 And when he shows up, he's acting circles around everybody in this movie, and that's a bad sign. Corey Feldman shows up and he. Is the coup de grace of this movie as far as the best actor in it, the most interesting person to watch? He overacts the shit out of it. But at least he's trying. I will say that about the Feld Dog. At least he's trying and he is just running circles around everybody else. Doesn't. Freaking matter. This is a one out of ten and a piece of piece of garbage. But watch it, because it's Corey Feldman. And he's fun to watch. He's fun to dissect. He's like a frog in biology, man. There are so many layers. He's also like an onion. He's like a lot of things. Except a talented musician, he's not elect like that at all. I'm going to give you another one that I'm not going to play the trailer for that I highly recommend. In fact, this is the highest recommendation on here. But if I play the trailer, you're not going to understand anything or hear anything.

17:29 This movie is so hard to describe. I just tell you to watch it. It's on AMC Plus. I'm not playing the trailer. It's called Buffet Infinity. It is a series of commercials. Not real commercials, made-up commercials. Like low budget. bottom dollar regional commercials that you might see. In your area for things like restaurants or lawyers. or karate classes, you know, like things like that. that are strung together. To make a story. About a restaurant chain called Buffet Infinity that is slowly taking over a town. and doing terrible things to do so. That's about the best way I can describe this for you. Love this movie. In fact, I think it's a masterpiece. I think it's a mini masterpiece. I gave this an eight out of 10. Came out in 2025. I've never seen a movie like this before. You think when you're watching this, you're watching these commercials, there's no narrative.

18:34 There is a narrative that they're creating through these commercials, and there'll be a commercial. For some other thing that you will notice. Oh my God, that's the person from the other commercial. That means that Buffet International has taken over that business. Oh my god, there's a news report about one of the other. Oh my god, oh my god, you just keep doing that through the whole movie. I recommend this movie highly. If you don't buy into it at the beginning, you're going to absolutely hate it. I fell in love with this from like the first five commercials. And I was with it all the way through the end and to its payoff again. Buffet International is on AMC or Buffet Infinity is on AMC Plus. I gave it an 8 out of 10. It's the best thing I'm going to tell you about today. Okay, moving on. I can't remember who told me to watch this. Wait there's I really only have two listeners. It's uh Ted.

19:38 Who is a friend of NEOZAZ? Eric, who's also a friend of NEOZAZ. This is American Eric. That's his new nickname. American Eric. and Ted. And I got two movies back to back that one or the other recommended for me to watch. One of them is Grim Prairie Tales, it's from 1990. I had to watch this on YouTube because I couldn't find it anywhere else, but it is on YouTube. Pretty sure that Eric. American Eric. Recommended this to me. It's the story of Brad Dourif being a guy out on the prairie. This is a Western horror. And maybe because I had been talking about Western horror he recommended it to me. Brad Dourif encounters this guy in the wilderness, played by James Earl Jones. And they basically sit around a campfire and tell each other scary stories. one after the other. Some of them are good. Some of them not so good. The best one involves shit. What is his name? Jimmy Olson. From the Christopher Reeve movies, and he's Marty McFly's brother. You know who I'm talking about.

20:45 He plays a guy who finds these women in the wilderness. That was my favorite one. That was the highlight of the movie. But this is on YouTube. It's the two of them telling stories. It's entertaining. I give it a four out of 10. I don't know that I would recommend it because it is a little slow. At times, but I looked at the comments on the YouTube thing. People were like, Thank God somebody put this on YouTube. I watched this all the time when I was young and I haven't seen it in so long, and it's one of my favorite movies. I was like, all right. So there is an audience for this. And if you had seen this back in the day, Grim Prairie Tales is on YouTube. And I'm glad I watched it, especially for the Jimmy Olson one. That was one that was recommended. And the other one, either by Eric or Ted, I can't remember, was called The Carpenter's Son. And I love religious horror. And this is about as religious horror as religious horror gets. It's a horror movie about a teenage Jesus Christ. Being tempted by the devil and the devil doing things in his village with Nicolas Cage.

21:47 Playing Joseph. who is protecting him slash trying to make him tough. This is Nicolas Cage trying. Which does happen sometimes. You still watch stuff and he's just bonkers Nicolas Cage, but every once in a while, He'll do something and you'll go, that's the Nicolas Cage that I remember. That's the Oscar winner. That guy can act like when he does something like pig, and people are like, shit, he can act. This is one of those. And I think the the dynamic between him and Jesus, who is played by I think his name is Noah Jupe. He's a great young actor. It's pretty good because. Joseph is kind of a dick to Jesus in this movie. He doesn't give him any slack. He makes things hard for him because he knows the responsibility that he has to bear. So he's kind of rough on him. And I do like it. That is streaming on Prime. I gave that a five out of ten. I would recommend the Carpenter's Son. Uh it's it's it's pretty good.

22:49 telling you that if you're Um If you're offended by stuff like that, then obviously avoid it because it's it's a horror movie based on. I don't know, maybe you're Lord and Savior. Who knows? You do what you want. It's a free country, but that's what, you know, it was a disclaimer about that at least. Let me give you another trailer. called Home Education 2023. Folk horror movie. Uh the only person in this I know is Julia Ormond, who you may remember from the nineties. uh from things like uh What was that Harrison for? Man, my memory's terrible today. But she was in, you know, kind of like high falute and things. back in the day. Uh she placed the mother of a young girl. Her husband has died hurt. Girl's dad has died, and they believe that they can bring this guy back from the dead through. Um kind of like Uh spiritual

23:51 Um I don't know, like old-fashioned hocus-pocus kind of bullshit, as long as they believe it hard enough. And uh here's a trailer. It holds ten songs. That's the wrong trailer. Here's the trailer. Rachel prepared something. Very special for you. Oh dad, you are the best dad. that I've ever had. And each day you're not with us. Makes me really sad. You always say that wanting. makes what we want come true, and that that want is stronger. when it's wanted by two. He's in a scary place. But not for long. So what's that bone for? It's a horn. It's connected to another place. Where are you?

25:25 Tree. So I'm looking just'cause it was on my mind. The guy from Jimmy Olsen is Marc McClure. Julia Ormond, though, I did look her up because I wanted to see that movie. It was called Sabrina, which is a remake with Harrison Ford. But I forgot all of these things that she was in. She was in Legends of the Fall. She was in First Knight with Richard Gere and Sean Connery. Uh Curious case of Benjamin Button. And the thing that I remember for a lot is she won an Emmy for the Temple Grandin. HBO movie playing the mother of Uh Brilliant. woman Temple Grandin, who revolutionized The cattle industry and happened to be a woman with autism. So she's one of the biggest advocates for people with autism in the world and always has been.

26:28 So Julia Ormond. Pretty fantastic. She's really good in this too. She's 61 now. She doesn't look like Julia Ormond back in the day, but she plays this mother who is tormented over the loss of her husband and whether or not she's doing the right thing with this husband. It's called home education because the girl is very isolated. She's being taught at home by her mother. She isn't really allowed to see anybody else. She kind of sneaks into town. There's a boy that she likes. She's been told that boys will only try to hurt her. Um so she's very isolated. So it's easier for her to believe the things that her mother is saying is going to happen with his father all the while he's decomposing in their house. They even get like a vacuum sealer to to seal him tight, like seal the maggots right in there so the smell doesn't get into the house. I really liked this movie. I gave it a 5 out of 10. which I know doesn't sound great. that is a watchable, solid movie to me. Moving on, The Lodger from 2009.

27:31 Uh, this is streaming on Prime as well. This is a seven ripoff. I've done a couple of these. Everybody saw seven and was like, This was so great. I'm gonna do my own version. No, you're not, you're not gonna do it. It's gonna be terrible. And that's kinda what the lodger is. It stars Alfred Molina. I was like, all right, I can deal with Alfred Molina. No. Not not worth it. It's a three out of ten. Kind of thought it was Simon Baker. Is going to like there's other people in it, Shane West who sucks, but there's people in it. So you're like, okay, this is going to be, this is going to be something. The only one that's come close to getting close to seven is that one about the person putting the body together to match the Christ on the crucifix. You know, with uh with Highlander. Like that was the only one so far that was like, I could watch this again. It's so good. So the lodger

28:32 Three out of 10 as a skipper for me. 1986, another slasher movie. Body count, 3 out of 10 on Prime. Skip it. Just telling you these things are out there and telling you not to watch in my stupid opinion. This one I had high hopes for because it has Hugh Grant in it. It's old too. It's from like the Late 80s as well. It's called The Lair of the White Worm. So it's about snakes. The most part. I don't know why they call it the white worm. It's really about snakes. Hugh Grant acts circles around everybody in this. It at times was funny, and this movie I think has a cult following as being. You're not supposed to take it seriously, but I have a feeling that when they made it, they were making it so you took it seriously. And now people just kind of laugh at it and go, oh, you know, Hugh Grant said it and it's this. Kooky old horror movie. That's exactly what it is. It's a three out of 10. It's trash. Don't watch it. Let me get to another one that you should watch. And I'll play you that trailer that I messed up. This is from 2025 as well.

29:38 And this movie is called, excuse me, 2024. This movie is called Ick. And it is a kind of monster infant infestation. Comedy, horror comedy. with uh Brandon Routh, Superman. And I, and it's, it's set in the 90s. It's very referential to the 90s and very funny, and I liked it a lot. Here's the trailer. It holds 10 songs. I put all our favorites on it. Promise me! You'll take me with you! To the NFL. To a giant mansion with a giant pool that has a fat hot tub that's connected to the giant pool so I can swim from monticole whenever I want. Just takes a second. Could you get Charlie's TikTok about how the ign is pure gluten? What gluten? The igg is just frank and fucciamos I treat from Monsanto Lab. That's why I only eat organic. Mr. Wallace, why are we talking about the ick? You thought your problems were gone!

30:52 Okay Grace, let's talk about the eck. After decades in stasis, the intracellular pynoplasm known as IMP has reached its kinetic state. Barricade your doors and your windows. Stop up your sinks and your drains. Not go outside. Our kids could still go to prom tomorrow. Right? Yeah, you should definitely cancel prom. False flag, crisis actor. Grace, I need to tell you something. I might be your dad. Shit! Next joy is for all the lovers out there. This is the song your parents conceive you to. Maybe the rubber broke. Maybe there was no rubber. It is horrible. It sees our value. We've chosen. For those it does not value, it consumes!

32:04 Run! Whatever you can carry. Get ready for a fight! Come on. You could have just opened it. I mean, that was super dramatic and all, but. Now I have to crawl over broken glass. So it's really a flashback to the past and then to present day. I said late 90s, but it's really early 2000s. And it's like a heavy early 2000s. uh soundtrack with things like Blink 182 and things like that. Brandon Routh plays a high school quarterback star back in the day, and Mena Suvari. And I think it's great that they got her because she just fits in so well with that time period. That you know, then he grows up. He gets hurt because this town has always been infested with this thing called the ick.

33:04 they just ignore it. It's a part of life for them. It doesn't bother them and they don't bother it. some kind of like, you know, cellular life form. So you flash forward to his pathetic life then after being injured in football and never having this like pro career that he was gonna have and he's a teacher in the high school. And the one girl might end up being his daughter with Mena Suvari. They say that in the trailer. But now he's a teacher. He's a science teacher. And it becomes a high school movie in the 2000s, but a high school movie now where he is trying to protect his maybe daughter and all of his students in the school. It's very funny. It's The music actually helps, and I don't like a lot of that music. In fact, I hate some of that music, but it puts you back in that time frame. This is a very clever and funny movie. Ick was a 7 out of 10 for me. I like it a lot. It's on prime. Brandon Routh is delightful. in it as he almost always is.

34:05 This is a really good movie. And I missed it completely, but I would highly recommend it. Uh, what else? I only got a few more for you here. Let's see. Let's see. What else is here in the carnage? Um really only a couple more. I just watched actually before recording this because Uh everybody's got Resident Evil on their mind now. The new one meaning the Zach Cregger Austin Abrams. Resident Evil. I just watched Resident Evil colon Welcome to Raccoon City, which is only a few years old. Uh It's not terrible. It's still not great. I mean it's Better than the Milla Jovovich ones because I've never been a fan of the Resident Evil franchise. I've always kind of thought it was stupid. We just talked about Resident Evil a lot on an episode of The Best of Fives, which is also on NEOZAZ that you can listen to, where we counted up our best five zombie things. Be a movie, a TV show, a song, a music video, whatever it might be.

35:11 In honor of Resident Evil. 2026, the Zach Cregger version, which everybody seems to love. Me included. It was really great. In this one, the effects were okay. It's a lot like the game, which I like. Those games, we played those games. We talked about that on that show and how terrible I was at them, but I did like the games. The weird Milla Jovovich storyline. The characters are Leon and Chris Redfield. You know, it's like the things that you know from the movie. Donal Logue is in it, and he's always good. This was probably, this was watchable, but not great. I would give it a four out of 10. And that's probably being kind of generous, but that is on a Hulu. If you're interested in Resident Evil. The good one. And I don't know where all those other Resident Evil movies are. I'm sure that you can find them. You have to put a gun to my head. Milla Jovovich would have to walk up behind me, put a gun to my head to make me watch those movies. This one's better than those. So I got one more for you, and this is another recommend. This is also pretty new. It's from 2025. It is called Dream Eater.

36:14 And it is the story of a guy who sleepwalks while his girlfriend documents his sleepwalking to try and help him through it. Doctor said some time away might be good for you. supposed to record any sleep walking and what you remember from each episode. Alex? Bad. When people do sleepwalk, rarely do they lash out violently. He's here. He's here. There are other people seeing this thing in their dreams night after night. You need to get out of that house. That wasn't Alex. This isn't you.

37:25 Alright, so Dream Eater is an Eli Roth production. And I kind of liked it. This guy that plays Zach, you hear saying his name all the time. I think the guy's real name is Zach. He drives the movie. He's a good actor. And he's scary at times, and other times he's kind of funny, and other times at times he's kind of a dick, he's kind of an asshole. to his girlfriend who is trying to help him because he's annoyed. about her recording and sleepwalking and stuff like that, but it gets worse and worse and worse. every night. It's a little paranormal activity-ish. but with a sleepwalker and there's reasons at least that he is doing these things. This is on Prime. I gave it a five out of 10. It's a solid watch. It's getting pretty good reviews in the horror community. And I think I've seen other people recommend it. I do too. I get it, and I understand why people are gravitating to this because it is. Eh, you know, it it's it's half decent and I think the guy's pretty good. So I would like to thank you.

38:28 For listening to this much overdue episode of Streams and Nightmares, and I'll try not to do another dump. Episode again because I do like to give them a little more time and really analyze and share play you the trailers and tell you a little more. But I just had to purge some of these from my life because they've been on my mind and I had to get it out there. So I appreciate you listening and and letting me do this and uh Just remember. The horror Never stop streaming.

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0:05 Boils and ghouls, it's time to gather round us horrifying Hunter, petrified Preston, and Devilish Dan crack open another volume of Tales from the Crypt. This is Horrors from the Vault. Welcome, kiddies, to Horrors from the Vault. My name is Horrifying Hunter, and I'll be one of the three shadowy figures leading you into the dark and haunted corridors of this very vault. Tonight, we're cracking open the 11th tome of the final season of Tales from the Crypt with Confession, an episode all about how you can't trust the police. But before we venture fully into the vault, let me introduce you to my co-host.

1:37 Appalling Ash. After a few weeks away, we're back to finish up the series. And we are like right in the middle of spooky season right now. So obviously, the three of us are big physical media collectors. Are there any recent must-buys that people need to go ahead and pick up for their Halloween season viewing this year? Fantastic question. Yes, I am a big physical media collector. What have I got delivered recently? Um what did I get? I've got some come in, I've got Hell's Highway coming. Um okay, okay, and I've got not a lot of horror or horror adjacent, to be honest. I've got Um Masters of the Universe coming. I'm just looking at my pre-orders right now. I mean that can be kind of scary at point. That's kinda kind of scary. Um I have a skeleton head in it. Man with a skeleton head. Yeah. What else have I got? I'm just flicking through now. I've got 12 angry men coming. Criterions. I mean, that's all about racial prejudice. So that could be pretty scary, depending on how weird you want to get with your horror viewing. Yeah. So no, no real side of kind of maybe horror adjacent, but no real horror releases come in. I have very, very strict rules, just going off on a tangent here, when you can watch certain

2:52 Horror movies, like if you if you do you do your spooky vo viewing now, right, you can't be watching. Halloween, like 78 version, it's September 12th. You know what I mean? So I have like strict rules on when. can watch things so that's about the extent of my spooky viewing so far. I get that. I actually, you know, I popped in. It's an older release. I'm pretty sure everybody listening to this has it. But just in case you don't own it, I still think Arrow's presentation of the 4K of an American Werewolf in London is stellar. Popped that in last night, had a blast with it. Watched Scream Factory's Night of the Creeps on 4K. My first time watching that particular disc. Had a really good time. I think I'm going to pop in the blob soon from Scream Factory. But I asked within the last year, and I'm going to give you an easy one, Ash. I think us three, including Petrified Preston and Dan, I don't know if you picked this one up or not. We were very impressed with the 4K of Casper 1995 last year. Yes, I did pick that up. I Very, very impressed with the uh

3:55 The upscaling on that one for sure. Yeah, so Casper is definitely one of my newer favourites. I've had it for about a year now. You mentioned American Werewolf in London. The Arrow disc is fantastic. And they are releasing a steelbox zoom too, right? Maybe. Maybe. If I own it, I don't care about the steelbook. So I let other people have the steelbook fun. But yeah, what about you, Devilish Dan? Anything recent that you've picked up for this season's Halloween viewing? Well, I believe I have your old copy of American Werewolf in London, the Arrow Edition, the Blu-ray. Yes, you have the box set version. Yes. So thank you for that. But so far this season, Hokum came out, which is great Halloween viewing. There is some fantastic set dressings and Crazy little turnip heads, pumpkins in there in a haunted hotel. So check out Hokum, everyone, if you haven't already. It's pretty great. I bought a two-pack off of Vinegar Syndrome. It's on sale. It is still available. It's Hayride to Hell and Halloween Feast featuring Bill Mosley and Kane Hodder. I haven't seen either of these movies, they look like absolute shit.

5:10 But they look like they're going to be a lot of fun, at the very least, some good Halloween viewing. Um, and of course, I would be remiss to mention if anyone out there has not picked up Trick or Treat with Reed Richmond. Uh, it is a spin-off of the WNUF Halloween special and it's still available on uh bigcartel.com. Uh, wnuf. Bigcartel.com. Uh, you get a free zine with it, so check that out. It's cool. It is a DVD, but. Okay. Whatever, you don't really need this on 4K. But it's a lot of fun. If you like WNUF, check that out. That's what they I was like, you know what? I am perfectly fine with my copy of Out There, the Halloween special. And then they're like, nope, we're going to throw that on Blu-ray too. And I'm like, God damn it. So now I own all the copies of it. But yes, trick or treat with Reed Richmond. It's a little bit of a smaller production, right? Yeah, smaller. It's shorter. I think it's only like maybe an hour, hour 15. But it's made to look like instead of an old news broadcast, this one's more of like a Discovery Channel Halloween special.

6:19 Which is super cool. Love it. Love it. As far as upcoming releases that I'm really eyeing, I'm sure you guys have seen this, but the Warner Archive is putting out with Hammer Horror a massive celebration box set of Christopher Lee's Dracula. And from everything I've read, it's going to be a bit pricey if you want the premium edition. You know, this is like a, I think, a six or an eight disc set, one of the two. There is going to be a smaller two disc set. That's released as well, which is about the$35 range. But if you want the big guy with a 200-page book, the six discs, all the extra content, I think it's like an$85 kit. But they have actually recovered some of the most infamous lost Hammer Horror film footage for this release. It's a full restoration and it looks like it's going to be beautiful. That is. Your Halloween treat yourself. If you love those old school hammer horror flicks, I think you should probably get your eyes on. 35 bucks not bad for that either for the two disc. I don't think the other one's too bad either. I've seen what you get with the more expensive one. And I think if it's around the$80,$85 mark, I think that's a pretty fair price. Yeah, for sure. It's a big, thick, chunky boy, second sight-esque kind of thick boy. But yeah, it looks like it's going to be a.

7:37 Hell of a release. I feel like I need to revisit Dracula before plopping the cash down because it has been a few years, but it is a classic for a reason. And it's the one when you say Christopher Lee, it's you think of Dracula and you think of Lord of the Rings. I feel like midsummer, or not midsummer, Wickerman. Come on. That's what I think of. Of course. Of course. course. But as far as the big two, I feel like those are the representative ones. There's no Wicker Man action figures like there is Count Dooku. No, but if you are looking for a good 4K disc, the Studio Canal release of The Wicker Man is stellar. It's yeah. Season seven, episode 11, 7-Eleven aired on July 5th of 1996. So, a day after stuffing yourself full of hot dogs and beer and all sorts of glizzy fun, you got a uh well, let's not spoil it, let's talk about confession, but before we can talk about the episode itself. Ash, let's go visit you at the House of Horror as we talk about this week's comic book inspiration.

8:49 All right, we are going back to August of 1952 for Shock SuspenStories, issue number four. Now This is my favorite. I don't know what you guys thought about this, but this was my favorite comic. Or comic original comic story that we've had so far ever. I absolutely loved it. I loved. I mean, the title confession is very deliberately ironic here. I love how layered it is with like the overall message. Um it is a different story so i'll kind of get into it so you know firstly Daley murdered his wife, so that's like the obvious crime there. But setting up like a full guy and almost manufacturing. Criminal is like the other crime that's going on as well. And for a mainstream comic in 1952 to cover like And how Powerful people in power can be. It was a massive swing here to attempt this in 1952. Um You know, the character Arthur in it is, you know, he's not beaten up because they have evidence. He's beaten up until they have.

9:52 Some evidence. So I thought it was very late. I thought the story, the pace of the story was really, really good. And it goes beyond just the story of like a crooked cop, especially for the time as well. So I love this story overall. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Yeah, I thought the Kafka-esque elements were done very well and completely missing from the episode, uh which on a second viewing I was like, oh man, uh there's some stuff in the comic that you guys totally could have put in there, but you just completely skipped over it. But I do think, like you were saying, Ash, this is probably one of the most memorable comic book issues that we've read in a little while. And when we talk about adaptation, sometimes we look at these things and it's like, wow, you really kind of inspired by title alone. And sometimes not even that. With this, it was definitely taking the seeds of the story there and then updating it for the modern Tales from the Crypt formula. And for those reasons, I can respect it. I really enjoyed the comic book for that. For more examples of that first time, check out next week's episode. There is a whole trivia entry about next week's episode. So yeah, we'll get into it. But yeah, good little read. Definitely recommend if you've been slacking on your reading, go check this one out. Yeah, for sure.

11:08 Dan, let's talk about the creative team involved as we hit this week's top billing. Yeah, nothing big for the writer this week, just Scott and Farrow again. But our director Peter Hewitt, he directed Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey and Garfield the 2004 version. But he has 2002's Thunderpants, which he also wrote in the number one spot on his IMDb page. Which is apparently about a boy, an 11-year-old boy, whose ability to break wind leads him first to fame and then to death row. before it helps him fulfill his ambition of becoming an astronaut. BOICE. Are you a Thunderpants fans among you? I just figured if anybody was going to watch this for this week's episode, it would be you, Dan. You've got that Tubi time. So I checked Tubi. Unfortunately, it does not appear to be streaming for free anywhere currently in the US. Yeah. So I'm going to be on the lookout for a Thunderpants DVD at all my local re uh sellers.

12:10 You are going to have to pirate this. I am pretty sure. Yeah. I'm looking at the cast list. We have Paul Giamatti's in it, Stephen Fry, Ned Beatty, Rupert Grint's in it. Like. This is a big deal. We need to make sure more people are aware of Thunderpants. I'm afraid of watching it because it might be a new fear for me. If farting leads you to death row, then I'm definitely getting convicted of that. Oh, Rupert Grint is the starring child actor in this. So there you go. I didn't even get that far in. It literally says underneath on the poster featuring Rupert Grint from the Harry Potter series. So there you go. Farting up his pants. It looks like maybe he no, he is actually he is not the fart boy. He is the best friend of the fart boy. Yeah, he's like the best friend scientist kind of guy, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like Harry Potter with gas, right? Right. I'm actually looking into this. Fart boy is Bruce Cook. And he did three movies in a span of about one year, and that's all he ever did. So there you go. What are the other two movies? Anything good? The other movies that Mr. Bruce Cook did was Wondrous Oblivion and Nicholas Nickleby. Oh, yeah, I know Nicholas Nickleby. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I'm what who is that Heath Ledger?

13:34 No. He's another pretty boy, but it's Charlie Hunnam. Yeah, Charlie Hunnam from Motor Motorcycle Show. Sons of Anarchy. Yeah. Go Green Street. Hooligans, football soccer hooligans. You've seen that movie with Elijah Wood in it? I'm not British. Yeah, you gotta see it. Actually, you know what? I think I did see that now that I'm thinking about it. Frodo in it. Well, there are six point four um Thousand reviews of Thunderpants on IMDb. And one of the top ones is an eight-star review. It leads with the title Severely Misunderstood. So maybe. I think I do need to see this because I feel that's easy to understand. I uh this other one says good clean fun. I enjoyed this film and so did my children. I can't see why anyone would consider this to be a poor film. It's only meant to be a bit of fun. Unlike his pants, they're good, clean, fun. It's like that video. Have you guys ever read the unhinged Amazon DVD reviews for the Adam Sandler movie Click? Oh, not that one. Yeah, you should read the reviews of Click. People get really emotional talking about that movie. That movie made me cry, no lie.

14:49 Click has its moment. It is a modern, what is it? It's a modern, it's a wonderful life, you know? Except for he there's no rewind, like he fast forwards through his whole life. That's terrifying. It's so sad. There's fat people, there's fat kids, there's dogs humping ducks. It's a have we spent too much time on Thunderpants at this point? Because I can read some trivia that says the movie did so poorly in the UK, it went for a straight to DVD release five years later in the United States. So you're telling me there's DVD copies out? I'm telling you, if you dig far enough into the$5 bin at your Walmart, you might be able to find it. That's where all the Thunderpants are. Here we go. Unfortunately, you know who's not in Thunderpants, guys? Ciarán Hinds as Jack Lynch. He's provided voices in Frozen and Frozen 2, and he also played Mance Rayder in five episodes of Game of Thrones. And he was Finn McGovern in Road to Perdition, Sam Daily in The Woman in Black, Dumbledore's brother Aberforth in Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows part.

15:56 So another Harry Potter connection there and Fletcher in There Will Be Blood. Then we got Alun Armstrong as Inspector Herbert. Just a few genre roles for Alan. St. Peter and Danny Boyle's Millions, which I've mentioned a few times before. The Mummy Returns as Mr. Hafez. parole, which we always like to talk about, and a constable in Sleepy Hollow, the Timber. But really, the main person this week is British. He's gender fluid, a comedian, actor, activist, and a politician. All these are more than apt descriptions of Mr. or Miss, depending on their mood that day. Eddie slash Suzy Izzard as Evans. Mostly known for their unique stage presence and style during their stand-up act, Eddie has also parlayed that into successful acting career in such parts as Roman in the Oceans trilogy, Tony and Mystery Men, three different voices in one episode of The Simpsons. Pretty impressive there. They've even had another Harry Potter actor having voiced Voldemort in the Lego Batman.

17:01 And they've also run several campaigns for the British Labour Party. Speaking of running, they have completed a lot of marathons for charitable organizations, including 27 marathons in 27 days to honor Nelson Mandela. Folks, I don't even know how you do that. That sounds like your body would just break. But of course We can't say that we fully talked about Eddie Izzard without talking about their sexuality and gender fluidity. And for that, I will just quote them by saying: It doesn't matter what sex or sexuality, how you identify, or who you fancy, it matters not one whit what you do in life. What you create, what you do to add to the human existence That is what matters. Thank you very much. Yeah. That's good stuff, man. Very good. For some reason, I was very convinced that we had seen Eddie Izzard in another role, and I was completely mistaken on that. I believe no voice either. Yeah, not a voice either as far as I'm aware.

18:01 I realized after thinking that I was confusing him with Adam Ant, who we had seen previously. In the library one, yeah. Yeah, in the library one. I don't even know. Maybe that if you squint, they got similar enough faces, but besides that, no, not really. I was just confusing my English people, unfortunately. Yeah. Ash, you don't like to confuse British people. Do you have anything to say about Eddie Izzard? As a as a resident Brit. I think just growing up, Eddie Izzard was always like on TV at some point, you know, British royalty. Just uh She's a good person. Um, the 27 marathons, I remember that like clear as day, them doing that, and um, yeah, just a Good comedian, good person. Yep. I had to look that up because that was on their Wikipedia and I was like, that can't be right. And I thought, oh, that was true. Yeah, that's crazy. Like, that's what's that? 23 miles. And well, well, a marathon is 26.2. So maybe they round it up to 27. I don't, I don't know the significant. Is Nelson Mandela significant 27? I don't know. I don't know the. Than the significance of the 27. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not familiar with Nelson Mandela, except for some people think he died in prison, and that means they're in a different universe.

19:12 That'll do it. Yep. But that's all we got for this week, ending with Eddie Izzard. All right, well, let's take a quick stop at the doctor as we hit this week's opening cryptkeeper segment, which is him doing exactly that. We are getting our optometrist reading from the cryptkeeper, and he basically tells us that we are completely fried from watching too much Tales from the Crypt. So he's gonna diagno or he's going to prescribe us, what is it, cohective lenses, which is pretty great. But yeah, stupid Cryptkeeper fun. Really, I mean, it's not a standout bit, but for this late in the season, eh, it's decent enough. It's kind of a weird fourth wall break. Like you don't talk, you don't hear him talking about being on a TV show that often. You can tell he knows it, but like he doesn't reference it too often. Well, it kind of fits with this week's episode, man. And if you want to see more of that, Dan, make sure to tune in for the finale episode because it's only going to get weirder from here. So, yeah. Yeah.

20:18 Second. Television Terror, the episode itself. Chopped heads, horror writers, and strippers come together to form tonight's tale, with a popular horror writer being the prime suspect. The police call in Jack Lynch, the highest-regarded homicide detective in all of England. A complete smarmy asshole, but he's damn good at his job, and that's possibly due to his insistence on carrying a bowling ball around at all times. Jack is there to interrogate Mr. Warhol Evans, the aforementioned horror screenwriter who insists that Jack will soon be drinking a shit shake out of a crazy straw. After checking the internet movie database, which to hear that in an episode was like, oh boy, we are in the 90s at this point. They infer that as a writer for Tales from the Crypt, he must be a sick fuck. Not because of tails, but because exactly he is on IMDB. Primary means of tapping into Warhol's psyche is by questioning his means of research, which is primarily gruesome and brutal entertainment like true crime, books, and pornography.

21:25 Jack insists that he knows Warhol is the murderer, and he's going to get it out of him. Devilish Dan, you've been chomping at the bit to talk about this one for weeks. What did you think about confession? There's some good back and forth cat and mouse that we're gonna get to, but man, do I wish it wasn't blatantly obvious who the killer was from the beginning. And I blame the fact that they have to have such a weird thing as a bowling ball bag, which just seems to be the perfect receptacle for a head. Um being carried around during the whole episode. It's uh Yeah, I mean, that really says it. It it I is first viewing right off the bat, I'm like, well, that guy's the killer and he's in charge of getting the confession. Um So now we're going to see if he can get it and he's probably going to do it because it's Tales from the Crypt Appalling Ash, what did you think about confession.

22:26 Dan absolutely nailed where I am with this episode. I think it has. such good elements in it and I feel we're going to get into um What I thought was really, really good about the episode coming up soon. Um, but I thought the sort of you know, the setup was good. Um, the cat and mouse like Dan was talking about that we're gonna get soon was really, really good. Um, But yeah, so predictable. Like you say, he's carrying the bowling ball. bag around, which is a spherical bag, you know, and we're looking for missed heads here. So It's uh it's just a little too on the nose, too early. I don't mind if that comes up a little bit later on, maybe in you know act three, but just basically letting us know what's going to happen right away was a little bit off putting. To your point, sorry, Hunter. It is a great cold open, though. Like, I really like the setup of three bodies with no heads. And oh, where's the head going to be? But unfortunately, they answer that question pretty much right. Boys, I am so glad we're all here tonight because there is an actual discussion to be had this evening. I think this is an excellent episode. I thought this was great. And the reason being is I completely understand what you guys are saying, but I think at the end of the day, this episode is less about the twist and how we know one party might be innocent.

23:45 The other person is clearly guilty and how are we going to navigate that? I am not necessarily bothered by the fact that we see pretty early on that something is wrong with Jack, because for me, the episode completely implies it. It doesn't try to hide it through music swells and just context clues and everything that's presented in front of us. The episode understands that we already know that Jack is guilty in some sort of sort. However, Is the character of Warhol also guilty? Is there some sort of collaboration there? Or are they on completely different path lines where ultimately Warhol is innocent, but Jack is the murderer? How does that all coalesce? How does that all come together? And I thought that there were so many great Moments and dialogue exchanges through this, not only from our leads, but from the rest of the police force, that I thought was great. And I love just the way that this story weaves in and out. I think it's one of the tightest episodes of Tales from the Crypt that we've had in a long time. And I thought it was just a complete pleasure to watch this. Yeah, I agree with your sentiments completely.

24:59 Um that that is the only minor sort of Gripe, I had with the episode. I do love the fact as well, and I don't want to get too far ahead that Jack. Jack almost had that war, you know, the smoking gun in his hand, like so many times, too. So you're almost like contemplating, well, we kind of know it, Jack, but. You know, it's I don't know. He's very guilty. It's the way it fucks with you, to your point, Ash. Like, just to try to break it down, I think for both of us, it's the way it fucks with you where you were like. I know this person should not be guilty, but I cannot shake the feeling that this person obviously is. And the episode is telling me that he is, but. He is so convinced of his righteousness. And you know, you were talking about the tying into abuse of power from the comic book story. Yeah, that is completely put on display here. And I think that's great. And at the end of the day, when we get to the conclusion where Warhol is like, look, I can tell you what this is, but I know the case is closed. There is nothing I can do to turn this around.

26:04 It fully exemplifies that and I think it nails its messaging. Um I thought this was great, like I said. Interesting. Like, I see your points. Uh I still wish that uh There was that tension there. I guess they They're presenting you with a different sort of tension. It's more that old Hitchcock gem of like, you know, there's a bomb under the table. So it's the tension of knowing that and when it's going to go off versus the surprise of being surprised that there's a. bomb under the table. Um I guess I was good. I was just going to say, I almost feel like the surprise in this episode from my first time seeing it, Dan, was coming to the conclusion that Warhol is innocent. You know, he's an innocent individual that is basically shackled to this faith, whether he deserves it or not. I thought they were building up to a conclusion where they were nailing him for another murder. And Jack was kind of using him as a cover. So ultimately, the fact that Jack is able to use this completely unrelated person, this innocent party who's just in the wrong place at the wrong time as a framing device, I thought that was kind of the twist.

27:13 That's interesting. So you thought they were going to he was going to be guilty of a murder, not necessarily this murder. So he's still getting justice, but not. Also, someone's getting away. That's interesting. Not what we got, but yeah. Because at the end of the episode, he has that moment of breakdown. He's like, look, this is why I was telling my lover to hide this bag. It was, it's clearly something that I fuck with some weird shit, but it is all for research. He's doing the Pete Townsend thing, right? It's all for research. You know, I love my classic rock references. It's all for research. And I don't expect you to believe me, but. It's just the odds are stacked against him and he knows he's fucked. And I think just kind of that crushing realization that there's nothing he can do to get out of it because the people in power have manhandled him to the point where he has nothing to do. I think that's fascinating. I think it's an episode that actually has something to say, and I respect the hell out of that. I dig that, yeah. Another officer asks Jack about how he's so sure that Warhol is the murderer, but gets naturally curious with Jack's bowling ball kink. This is great, Dan, because like you said, why does he carry around this bowling ball? And they even allude to it on another viewing. One of the officers in the very beginning of the episode, there's this great kind of like noir police procedural.

28:37 French connection type thing where he shows up and he snatches the cup of coffee. Like they play into those tropes. He's like, What's with the bowling ball? And Jack goes off about this whole tangent about how sometimes it's just really nice to have something underneath people in positions of powers like noses. And like that really seals the deal, which leads me to believe, again, the episode's not trying to trick you, it tells you exactly what's going on. Um But yeah, we here again, we see the music rise as we see the two men engaging in some ball play. There's just some truly legendary ball touching in this scene. I'm getting all the comedy I can out of this. So Warhol is still attempting to evade arrest using his own psychoanalysis against Jack, claiming that, hey, it's not even hard. But Jack isn't having it, however, stacking the evidence against him. There's a book of satanic murders that was recently purchased. There's a flyer for the club where the body was found. But again, Warhol claims that these are all just for his writing. He needs to embed.

29:41 The killer to write the killer. Warhol begins to break down the murder, noting that specifically a policeman could have committed it, causing suspicion from everyone watching, with all eyes suddenly turning onto Jack. Warhol continues to say that a strong man possibly would have done this, noting the marks on the victim. Maybe a bowler by any chance? This ultimately culminates with him saying that he is convinced that Jack was the killer. In a rage, Warhol is escorted out for his final phone call, where he tells his lover to leave town and take his special bag with them. Unfortunately for Warhol, the phone is tapped. And that Begins the final process. So a lot happens there. But again, I think these scenes are so well acted. You have two performers that really bounce off of each other very well. And there's something about, The matter of factness that I think Izzard in particular brings to the role, where you buy him. As this character, this very meticulous, well-researched person. And it's a bit of that Sherlock Holmes bit of like, aha, like fun to the mystery that I love.

30:51 Yeah, this is the cat and mouse that I appreciate about the episode. Like, it's the meat of the episode, which I'm glad that, you know, what I thought was kind of a failing didn't ruin the big middle section here where they're really going at each other, pushing back and forth. And you get to watch through the, you know, other policeman's eyes kind of like. As they're changing their mind, like, oh man, that that guy's right. What if it was a policeman? Oh, they're just throwing s suspicion back and forth. And I really like that. This part also made me realize that if Beth or I are ever accused of a crime, we'll probably be convicted just from all the weird shit that we have in our house. This, yeah, to your point, Dan, I love this. This was my favorite scene in the whole episode where, and especially when Warhol puts it back onto Jack by basically saying, look how easy it is to pin this on somebody, and then goes through everything, what would pin it on Jack. I love this scene. It's it's good stuff, man. So back in the interrogation room, Jack lays the books against Warhol. Over 2,000 porno titles rented. He's clearly a killer, or at least some sort of sick pervert. But the evidence stacks against him quickly. There's been research on weapons, pipe bombs, silencers, sacrifices, all sorts of brutality.

32:12 And Jack breaks him down and reveals the final clue. He already has that special bag, which contains a head in a jar. Warhol comes clean, claiming that he bought the head at a freak show carnival. He realizes he's backed against a wall. You know what? They have no weapon. They have no motive for this particular murder, but this is enough to send the man to prison, presumably for life. We don't make it that far. But yeah, I love that scene too, where the two officers are talking to each other and they're like, Jack is the best in the business. Like, he would never be wrong about any of this. He knows what he's doing. And they just trust him at full face value instead of actually looking for the evidence. Again, no comment. If weird internet searches and pornography are going to convict me, we are in trouble out of there as well. Oh, gosh. I do like the idea that this might be another Tales from the Crypt Connected Universe where they bought the severed head from the same sideshow that the Crypt Keeper was born in.

33:16 Mm fun, fun. Jack arrives home that evening with his bowling bag and inside the ball cutout lays the actual victim's head. Freshly cut and still dripping. He places it next to the other beheaded victims and enjoys a cold brew for all of his hard work. And after all, it's all in a day's work for England's finest. Do you think he bowls with the head in the ball? Yeah. I don't think so, but I think it's literally just a topper. You don't think he bowls at all or do you think he's he does bowl? That's just I think he does bowl, but it is uh I think it's shown that it's literally just the top of a a ball that screws off, right? Yeah. Because that's why he was so nervous of the other officer lifting it up out of the bag because there's not an actual ball. God see, I thought it was like a ball that contained a head that, you know. carry it around, I guess. But yeah, you're saying it's just the top. Just the top. Just the tip of the bowling ball. Just the tip of the bowling.

34:18 Yeah. Any other thoughts, reconsiderations, anything else that you want to say about confession before we get into the closing cryptkeeper moment? Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty straightforward episode. I think we covered all the high points. There are some good comedic elements. Hunter, you covered the one where he just suck a shit shake out of a crazy straw, and he says, I look for it. Forward to it. And they also make like a little cheeky pawn at the beginning where it's a headless girl in the topless club. I kind of dug that. So there's some humor to the episode too. It's not as dour as everyone kind of would think by listening to us talk about it. Right. And specifically, you know, it was kind of something we flew by, but Lynch does mention that Warhol, or excuse me, Jack mentions that Warhol, I don't know why I was going to swap over to last names, but Jack mentions that Warhol was writing for something called Tales from the Crypt and they call it ancient history. It's been canceled now, which is.

35:20 Pretty great because, you know, obviously we are at the end of the series. So pretty fun stuff there. Yep. That good fourth wall break, just like in the intro. Closing Cryptkeeper moment. I mean, the most memorable part of this is the severed eyeballs. I don't know about you guys. I feel like we've talked about it before. Usually pretty good with trauma. Eyeball stuff grosses me out. Teeth. I don't like the teeth. Oh. You haven't seen the new Insidious, right? There's some good teeth trauma in that. That's what Andy was saying. He said it's just like: if you got a, if you got a dentist thing, Insidious might be tough for you. Agreed. Great. Alright, let's go ahead pay it. Let's go ahead and pay our last respects and give our severed thumb ranking. Ooh, I don't know. I feel like I've done a lot of talking. Should I start or should I conclude? Uh I don't want to go first. I don't care if you start a bunch of things. I can go first if you want. Alright, going ahead, Ash.

36:21 All right. Um, thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I did have my little nitpicks, uh, around it being a little bit, you know, too obvious, a little bit too early was my only real gripe with it. But I thought the performances in there were really, really good. I love the cat and mouse element. I thought the setup was good. Um I was at a four? But just because I felt if it if it was a little bit later where we would have got you know certain twists so we you know found out Sort of ending a little bit later, maybe third act, it would have maintained a format. I'm going with a 3.5. Alright. I mean, I'll go next'cause I'm pretty much gonna copy Ash with a slight reversal. Uh I I was also I mean, pretty much copy everything he said. You know, good good cat and mouse, great performances, wish it wasn't ruined so early or obvious so obvious so early about Who was the actual murder? Which there was a little bit of a question mark there. But I was at a three, and then after discussing it here, I discovered maybe I am a little harsh on it. So I'm also going to go 3.5.

37:28 It's always tough because you go back and you're like, what are some of the great seasons of Tales from the Crypt that we also gave those episodes three to? You know, so it's uh You know, I always put that in mind. But as you guys might have told, I really enjoyed this episode. I'm actually going to give this four separate thumbs. I really don't think I have to explain it anymore. I've laid out my reasoning. I just think this is the most. Enjoyment that I've got out of Tales from the Crypt in a minute. And I do kind of wish that this was the finale episode. I think it would have really kind of tied things full circle with the it's canceled now and this is the last episode. I think it's also just got a nice little The comic book, you know, gruesome nature to it that I really like. I think it ties back into the EC Comics roots. And yeah, I feel like I might even give this a 4.5 if it closed things out. But I really enjoyed this. And you know what? Another thing, we often talk about other episodes, there's like plot holes or we feel like certain things were missing. I thought this was a perfectly paced and well linked episode.

38:32 I agree on the pacing, yeah. It is a very well-paced episode. It doesn't ever, you know, stutter or stop where it shouldn't. It just keeps barrel barreling forward. I thought you were going to go a little higher. I thought you were going to go to a 4.5. Same here. I again, it just comes down to I've rated some absolute classics that I adore a 4.5 and I don't think it's quite up there, but I feel very comfortable considering this one of my great episodes of Tales from the Crypt, especially as we've gotten into this later, you know, couple seasons here. That's good. Yeah, fair. Good episode. Good stuff. What a surprise. All right, well, we want to thank you all for tuning in to Horrors from the Vault. If you've made it this far, A lot of you have been joining us because of Shudder and Tubi's resurrection of the series. Guys, I didn't send the numbers, but our listenership, again, they're probably listening to the really early seasons because that's what's available. Our listenership went up something like 90% in the last month. So people are finding the series.

39:34 And it's awesome that this is going to stand as an archive because, not to be old men, but when we started this, it was illegal daily motion uploads and DVD box sets. So, like the fact that it's accessible and people are coming across it, if you've made it this far or if you've been listening this whole time, we are so grateful to have you. It's been such a fun project. And as we wind down, we still got a couple more things to do, but thank you for being here with us. The fact that all of your favorite episodes have probably been talked about at some point, that's awesome. Hopefully, you're enjoying those. Devilish Dan, obviously, the Instagram is about to go into the cemetery forever, most likely. But if people do want to reach out to us and talk to us about episodes that we recorded three years ago where I've completely forgot where I've said it, where can people do that? Yeah, man. I mean, Horrors from the Vault is available on all your favorite socials, mostly just Twitter and Instagram, but also Blue Sky, and that's at HorrorVaultPod. You may as well follow us because

40:38 Listen, if you know me, I don't, I run that shit and I don't overly spam people. I don't put a bunch of memes and bullshit up. If I'm gonna post, there's an important reason I'm posting. So even if you made it this far and the show is far from or far past its life cycle, um You know what? You never know when there's a new Tales from the Crypt news popping up. So just give us a follow and make sure to stay in touch. The fact that our viewership is up has me excited because if it's available on Shudder and Tubi, it looks like it's also going to be airing on AMC this fall. They did a Advertisement for their fright fest and the crypt keeper was featured in that. So odds are it'll be airing and people will be getting some eyes on it that that way, which is very exciting. Uh and then as far as I am concerned, uh you can follow me at Red Right Dan. I had a absolute shit Time of a fall last year. So I'm going to be a humpty-dumpty motherfucker, and I'm going to have a great fall. And you can follow that along at Red Right Dan.

41:46 Awesome. Awesome. Glad to hear it. We're all in periods of recovery. So we're doing the best we can. Appalling Ash, obviously, you are going nuts over at HHN right now, but if people are People might want to go check you out over on a newer show that you guys have got started. Why don't you tell us all about it? Yeah, so we are at Stay and Scream Podcast. You can find us on pretty much everything, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all that good stuff. Yeah, we had a we had a long time pod for a while that kind of Disbanded. Won't get too much into it, but we are on a new Sort of a new show now, and it's doing pretty well. So, yeah. And if you want to follow me personally, it's AshMB13 on all the socials. Awesome, awesome. And I'm a lot quieter right now. I have been in a period of transition, all for good reasons. Well, not all for good reasons, but we're making the most of it. So thanks for bearing with us as we got the show back on track. This episode is going right up alongside the other episode that we recorded last month. And then we have.

42:54 Two other episodes to round out the series that will go up shortly thereafter. So thank you for bearing with us. If you want to keep up with me in the meantime, you can find me on Letterboxd at Discount Vincent Price. I wanna thank you all again for tuning in. We'll catch you next time. And until then, Cryptkeeper, put down that bowling ball and pick up that base. [Music]

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0:05 Boils and ghouls, it's time to gather round us horrifying Hunter, petrified Preston, and Devilish Dan crack open another volume of Tales from the Crypt. This is Horrors from the Vault. Welcome, kitties, to Horrors from the Vault. My name is Horrifying Hunter, and I'll be one of the three shadowy figures leading you to the dark and haunted corridors of this very vault.

1:23 Tonight, we're cracking open the 10th tome of the final season of Tales from the Crypt with About Face, an episode all about scary demon face ladies. But before we can venture fully into the vault, let me introduce you to my co-host. Devilish Dan, something people might not know about you is that you are a big Wizarding World fan. What is your favorite film in the Harry Potter franchise? Oh, you know what? Favorite film and favorite book has to be Prisoner of Azkaban. Uh I love the time travel. So I think that it has some of the best time travel execution done in any form of media, to be perfectly honest with you. It's very well thought out. You know how I know it's good too. My friend Zach, who is like an artsy fartsy motherfucker and turns his nose up at like popular media in general, uh, he's like, I just watched uh Prisoner of Azkaban on the plane, and I had a fucking blast with it. I'm like, oh, good. That means it's a good movie. Yep. Yeah. Doesn't require as much knowledge as you might think. You can just kind of pop in. You got freaky ass Dementors. You have a werewolf. Like there's some crazy shit. A rat turns into a man. It's wild.

2:39 Ratman. Uh Appalling Ash, I think you and I might have talked about this at one point, but I am a Philosopher's Stone guy. What about you? Yeah, book, same as Dan. Um, Prisoner of Azkaban all the way. Movie, Chamber of Secrets. Is my favorite movie. For the Wizarding World franchise, particularly the first eight movies, I always have like a what-if sort of alternate universe if Columbus directed all of them. Um, you know, because obviously, um, third, I was Alfonso quite often. Yeah, so I'm not crazy, by the way, that he directed Harry Potter. It's it's insane, yeah. So, I'm also living in, like I said, this alternate universe where I'm like. Been a lot better if Columbus did them all, but here we are. I'm a massive, massive Wizarding World fan. Huge. There we go. I'm not hearing a lot of praise for Mr. David Yates here, but hey, it is what it is. I'll stand by it. I still think that first Fantastic Beasts film is pretty magical. I think that they got a lot of stuff right with that first Fantastic Beasts movie. But yeah, as far as the actual franchise, I think that just.

3:54 Sorcerers, philosophers, whatever you want to call it, the stone movie. It is the perfect children's/slash family film where it sets you up, it puts you in this universe. It's like Star Wars. It's got a complete beginning, middle, and end. And if you just stop there, you are completely satisfied. The Fantastic Beasts movie had a nice Polish baker in it, so it gets my approval. Kowalski. Kowalski, yeah. Also, Philosopher's Stone can. Dress up as a Halloween movie, Christmas movie, Easter movie. It's a movie for all occasions. I am also a big fan. They cut a lot out of it, but there is something about the tone of Half Blood Prince. I think it's that sepia kind of look to it that is appealing to me. That is kind of, despite being incredibly dark, I still like it quite a bit as far as comfort watching. Well, it's not shit all over David Yates, though. He's a good workman director that just took what other people did and kind of kept it rolling. He is what Disney is doing with Shawn Levy right now. 100%. You know, it's crazy that they're like, dude, Deadpool and Star Wars. Like he's giving the, they're giving that man the Infinity Stones at this point.

5:15 But uh people strider. We need to we need to go out Mike Newell because Goblet of Fire was an absolute mess. Goblet of Fire is rough, but I think Phoenix is rougher, to be perfectly honest. I feel like Goblet of Fire is rushed, is the problem. Yeah. That is also emo haircut boy days. So yeah that is peak mid two thousands and I was like in it. That was that was my fashion at the time. Well this there's almost like Raymond Simpson. I feel there's also an argument for like Goblet Onwards that this should be into like two parts, like Deathly Hallows was. Oh, for sure. For sure. But, uh Yep, we're not here to talk about Harry Potter, but we are going to continue that conversation. If you're wondering why we opened up with here, famous Harry Potter villain is a central character in this one, and Dan will tell you all about that very soon. Let's talk about season seven, episode 10, aired on June 28th of 1996.

6:18 Ash, before we talk about the episode itself, let's see you at the House of Horror as we hit this week's comic book inspiration. All right, so we are reading The Haunt of Fear, issue 27, all the way back in May 1950. Um It was okay. Uh it was very true. Inch. in parentheses to the uh to the source material um the names of the Twins are a little bit different. Also, the We'll get to it, but the father in the episode was a bit of a piece of shit where in the comic book, he's almost like a doting father where he's getting. You know, crap from his daughter, but I would say check it out if you want to see where the cut source material was from, but it doesn't differentiate itself as much from where I would say check it out. It's a skip from me. What do you think? I think that making the changes to be more transgressive with the source material was a big improvement over the comic book.

7:27 I wanted the mask or the makeup effects to be more like the comic book kind of comic book. Yeah, that's totally different. Oh, trust me, there is a joke in my script about this, and we will get to it very soon. So you just thought it was all right, Dan? Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I go back and forth over wanting the father to be more like the comic book or keep what they did in the episode, but we'll get to that once we get to the actual episode. The way I see it is I feel like we've had more stories of the doting father protecting their young and their troubled youth. I think of that Zelda Rubinstein episode, not a father, but the mother with the demon baby adult thing. I was fine with them getting a little bit more, like I said, transgressive with this interpretation. The comic version with the kindly father makes the ending much more tragic than the actual episode.

8:28 Yeah, I guess to your point, when we get there in the episode, the sudden about face haha that we pull here is uh unearned. Yeah, very good point there. Dan, top billing. Let's talk about the creative team involved. Yeah, writer Larry Wilson. It's time to say goodbye to another creative talent that's been with us for a while. Larry has saying goodbye to yesterday. All right. Anyway, Larry's been previously working on such bangers as Food for Thought on a Dead Man's Chest, Doctor of Horror, and Easel Kill Ya. And this is his final episode for the series. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service. Yeah. Next up, we got director Thomas E. Sanders. We have another production designer in the director's chair this week, and he's had his fingers in some real gothi goodness, having worked on Coppola's Dracula and Crimson Peak. This week, we'll see him work his magic on another Dark Farty old house.

9:34 Don't we all just want to have our fingers in some gothic no comments anyway? You know who loves gothy goodness? Anthony Andrews as Jonathan. All right, real quick. Anthony was in the The King's Speech as a geezer named Stanley Baldwin, as well as the grand knockout tournament with Mr. Bean actor Rowan Atkinson. Got another joke in there. But really, that just gets us to the other two names this week. specifically Imelda Staunton as Sarah. Guys, has anyone made your blood boil more than Imelda Staunton did in her turn as Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter series? I should not hate someone who loves cats that much. Agreed. Seriously, she plays the character in the exact way to be the perfect villain, acting and dressing all innocent, insisting that she knows better than everyone else, completely confident in everything she does, and refusing to listen to anyone else's reasonable arguments. All the while she is committing some of the most despicable acts and ruining everyone's good time at Wizard's School.

10:37 Is strange. I was thinking about it while watching it, more so on the following viewings than the first one, but just the way that she plays. in these very Governmental regimented roles as a corrupt person that is very much trying to uphold the traditional values. It's just weird that she's found herself, I don't know what the rest of her filmography is like. But it's strange that two of the roles I'm going to associate her with now, which is of course Dolores Umbridge and as Sarah in this episode, poor thing. I'm sure she wants to forget it. But it's kind of cut from the same cloth in a very strange way. Well, Ash, we'll get to you real quick. But I will say she was also in Paddington Chicken Run and the Maleficent franchise, not to mention everyone's favorite. Brantford But Ash, what's your opinion on Miss Dolores Umbridge? As a as what you mean, Umbridge the character? Imelda Staunton's role as her, yes. Oh, she yeah, she was fantastic. I mean, if you get to like despise a character more than Voldemort, you've done a great job. Yeah.

11:45 Yeah, she is like Like you can even kind of root for Voldemort at certain points just because he's a cool-looking character. But like, there's just something about her where you're like, I want, I just want to stab you in the face. Yep. To the point where they said, hey, we are building a brand new Harry Potter land at our theme park. You know who should be the villain of the ride? Get her back. I have a wand right here sitting on my desk. There you go. Well, speaking of wanting to get her back, Anna Friel as Angelica. If you haven't been in love with Anna Friel yet, that just tells me that you haven't watched Bryan Fuller's Pushing Daisies, where she plays the dead girl Charlotte Charles in all 22 episodes. It's an incredibly charming show stuffed with whimsy, and Anna absolutely radiates off the screen. It's a shame that ABC decided to cut its life short, and we never got the sequel comic book series that was always talked about. How do I push them daisies? That's all we got. Big, big three-hander this week, and really just two people.

12:53 Right. Good stuff, good stuff. Well, let's talk real quick about that opening Crypt Keeper segment, which is Crypt as a blues guitarist. So he is feeling the Sinner's hype. He is fully caught in Sinner's mania. And I think that the lyric of My Ghoul thinks I'm a vampire, so she eats garlic just in case. Is about as good as it gets. And the line right after that, where he goes, man, she smells so good. We haven't been able to really do line of the week for a while. I think man she smells has got to be up there. Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely. It's my line of the week. I did not like how he looks like the Dwight Schrute. Corpse with his glasses on, though. It's the no-nos glasses combo where I'm like, he looks. Mentally handicapped. I don't care for it. Why'd you bring this up, Dan? Sorry. Television terror, the episode itself. It's an orgy of an episode this week. We're talking fornicating priests, wiggling crucifixes, painful bursts, and a quick boob flash, and that's all in the first 20 seconds.

14:05 Dan, have you added them? Oh, yeah, you know, at two. Two little boobs. Two little boobs. We suddenly flash forward to 16 years later, where we see a young woman disembarking her carriage. Jonathan, the Reverend with a successful book deal, which is an insane sentence, but yes, very true. A harem of ladies and a wife who definitely has the cat-based fine china collection of your dreams. Anyways, the young woman Angelica says she is one of a set of twins and Jonathan is her father. Her mother died during birth and they have nowhere else to go. His wife Sarah is obviously outraged, knowing her husband's philandering in the past has finally caught up with them. He coyily invites Angelica to live with them, planning to spin the whole potential controversy as a potential popularity boost. Call corn because this is the family values, Tour. He asks Angelica to invite her sister, Leia, to join them. But Angelica says she is quite upset with her father and refuses to come along just yet.

15:08 Something is off. And there's more than one way to be two-faced. You guys like that? There we go. We have our setup. I didn't take much notes on this one. I thought it was pretty straightforward. Um until the end. Yeah. Dan. What you thinking, bud? I hate organized religion and I think um The majority of people in that position are probably more like this guy rather than someone that actually wants to help people. At least in the positions of power. Yes, yes. So I love that we tried to take down religion. I thought it was done in a fairly interesting way. There's an interesting point later on that I will follow up on that on. Um that was a weird sentence, uh, but um I wish it were, like you said, a little less straightforward because um there's not a whole lot going on, there's not a whole lot of suspense until you get to the final scene.

16:14 Ash, how you feeling, bud? Ooh, um, again, not much because I normally have like a few page of notes for each episode. I don't really have much here. Um No real setup. There's no real part of the, apart from when she gives birth and the sort of midwife or maybe just some random person from the next room helping her give birth kind of like is taking a bite by what she sees. That's the only sort of like. setup that we kind of get. Um I hate any sort of like religious tones or what kind of themes in episodes or movies. So that doesn't work for me regardless of it being pro. religion or trying to tear religion down, either or just doesn't appeal to me. Just the just the presence of religion. Yeah, just like okay. Yeah, just I've got nothing against it. I'm not um I'm a Roman Catholic. I've got no like You know, I've got no, no, nothing against anything in that sense. It's just like, I don't, I don't know. It just doesn't do much for me. But yeah, not much of a setup apart from the reaction to the birth. That was it.

17:19 I think there is, you know, I think going back to Demonic possession and everything like that. That is something that taps into human nature and our deep-seated fears. You know, it goes all the way back to biblical times, and some of the most beloved pieces of horror media are very much focused on demons and corruption and that sort of thing. But I think sometimes it's more interesting to take the exorcist approach as far as. Person of faith coming against these challenges than doing the scumbag approach. I'm open to either. I just think that we needed to see more of the bastardy nature of Jonathan for it to really feel like it's coming together. And then, Dan, not to spoil it, but since you brought it up earlier. There is kind of an emotional climax that doesn't fully come together at the end, and that's probably the biggest disappointment. He says flat out that he doesn't care about these girls, he just wants to profit off of it. Hey, I've got this secret family. I'm pulling a Dave for all over here. And here they are, and they're going to.

18:27 They're going to spin it to that good old-fashioned family angle. And I think there are a lot of parallels to modern politics and religion and things like that. But just the way that they do it, it's. It's not a completely irredeemable episode, but again, it's just very bland, I would say, for the most part. I'm surprised you didn't think that they did enough to scumbag him up because that opening scene with him having sex with the main character's mother is disturbing and disgusting at the same time. It's disturbing and disgusting, but I want them to push it further. I want them to. You need to see penetration, is what you're saying. No. I mean, if we want to, it's the final season. Let's go ahead and make it happen. We've already canceled the show. I know. Yeah, let's just full-on dick action. Game of Thrones isn't that far away. Let's get to it. But yeah, I think that they could just do a little bit more as far as not even necessarily by actions, but emotionally making him.

19:29 More, uh, I think it would be more interesting for them to show the perspective of like he actually believes he's doing the right things versus uh he knows he's a scumbag and he's that he is um you describe it. Uh, besides scumbag, it's our favorite word on Tails. Um He's just capitalizing on it, right? He's taking advantage of people who believe that he is a holy man. I wish that we saw a little bit more of the, no, like I'm actually doing this for the good of God. I think those are more interesting characters. That's the Dolores Umbridge take. She thinks she's in the rights, even though she's doing terrible things. Yeah. That's his entire character though, like capitalizing on something and like what can he get out of? What can he get out of it with his daughter, daughters? And then, you know, like he takes advantage of all his like secretaries, right? So that's his, that's his character. And his wife is just as complicit. I don't think they do enough to demonize her either. She just kind of is like, oh, you're doing it again. You know, like there's not enough where I feel like she's really viewed as any sort of significant character, unfortunately. Well, they almost try to give her some retribution where she's turning against him, which.

20:44 kind of wish they didn't do. Yeah, I think at that point it had gone on for so many years, it doesn't make sense for her to finally make an about face. Haha, I'm gonna get as much leeway out of that one as I can. But yeah, it's I don't know. It's not the worst written episode of Tales from the Crypt, but I also think that they could have gotten a little bit more creative with some of its flourishes. There are kills in this episode. And they're very plain. I'm glad that there's gore back in an episode, but it's not particularly exciting. It's just kind of there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Angelica comes upon Jonathan's wife Sarah in the middle of the night, but it isn't actually her. We meet Leia, the disfigured and sadistic religious twin. Looking like the vain thin skin around your nutsack, she promises to cleanse the sin of her father and family. She does look like a nutsack. Oh, no. She looks like a fucking testicle. And unfortunately, that...

21:48 Brought down this episode so much for me, and I'm surprised I'm the one that said it. Um I thought you guys would have picked up on that right away. Not until this exact moment then. So if you go on the Tales from the Crypt wiki and look at a screenshot, even if you don't watch it, they decided to do this very um Almost like palpatine disfigurement, but they did these bright red veins across her face. And yes, it is unfortunate what she ended up looking like. For you fellas out there, if you didn't watch the episode, wait till you're in private. Take out your nutsack. Actually, do it now. No matter where you're at. If you're driving, it doesn't matter. Um, put it between like your thumb and your forefinger, one of your testicles, and squeeze it against, and that's what her face looks like. There you go. I was so glad. I was so glad to be able to finally find something where we could tap into what this original show was. And this one, it was like.

22:57 This was me looking at Leia's face like that Willem Dafoe meme, you know, uh just staring up into the heavens, uh being so grateful to have uh comedy potential for this. But, anyways, I thought this was going to be a really droll episode. This turned around really well. Good job. See, I went down. You guys just made this a five-star episode. So, there we go. Anyways, uh Sarah somehow survives the night, but Angelica has trouble convincing Jonathan to keep both of the sisters. He ultimately agrees to make it up to both of them, but Leia is distrustful of his intentions. The sleazy Rev is applying his smooth moves on a woman he is pursuing for secretary and is soon spreading the gospel truth between her legs. Nutsack Twin. Nutsack Twin listens in and waits for the woman to leave before slicing her throat Assassin's Creed style. Sarah finally returns home to find the dead woman on their couch, and Leia reveals she did the murder, but Jonathan takes it upon himself to crush her throat. Two dead women. Ah, ah, ah. So, yes, Sarah is dead. The secretary is dead. And we get a little bit of interesting characterization. Unfortunately, I don't think.

24:17 The young actress is very good in this episode at all, especially when she's supposed to be mean, when she's supposed to be the evil twin. I just don't think she's very convincing, but they do some fun stuff where she is the righteous sister. She is the one where she believes she is acting upon God's will and she is the cleansing force. And I do like that perspective. I just thought the performance could have been more convincing. Yeah, that like she got that bit from her daddy. Uh, and even though she's the ugly one, she's the evil one, quote unquote, she's the more righteous of the two. I really like that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Angelica is crying in bed, holding a rosary as Jonathan approaches until she rolls over and reveals that she's actually Leia. So, in case you haven't picked up on that, they did the Edward Mordrake or Dan, I know you've been waiting all episode. Yeah, uh from uh malignant uh this is very similar to that twist in that movie. Um or Voldemort had a pack of corals head. Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh I know I mentioned obsession last episode, and this is like again, this is the second kind of thing Tales from the Crypt has done.

25:34 Um, you know, obviously they did obsession, what, season five with uh the guy making a wish and making the the the woman fall in love with her. And now this is uh malignant, basically. Uh just much smaller scale. Yeah, it's a lot of people. I was reading some of the comments where people are like, oh, you know, this did Malignant Before Malignant. And it's like, well, you know, this is a very old story. I brought up Edward Mordrake. That was the late 1800s. There's even a Tom Waits song about this, so you could check it out. And I believe it was even referenced in American Horror Story at one point. But. Anyways, I thought that it was just fun to see what uh You know, kind of where they pulled some of the inspiration from here. So, yeah, a nice fun tie to Malignant. Ash, did you like that movie? I did. Yeah, I enjoyed it. That was a COVID era film, wasn't it? It was. I think I watched that on HBO not too long after I watched. Uh

26:35 One of my least favorite conjurings, The Devil Made Me Do It, I believe it was called. Oh. Oh, I enjoyed that one. That one's bad, but not as bad as Last Rites, which my wrestling friend Brody King on Letterboxd, his full review of Last Rites, the Conjuring movie, is poop from a butt. And he is 100% correct. Screaming scripture and prayer, Leah stabs Jonathan several times before he grabs the crucifix off the wall and impales the sister. With her dying breath, she turns her head over and reveals that she's one of two faces. And Angelica and Leah die while cursing their father. How dare he do this to them? Dan, I don't think I had really thought about it, but now that you said it, I really can't stop thinking about his, oh my God, what have I done? What have I done? Like, he would not give a shit. He's gotten rid of his pro. He's gotten rid of his, his, excuse the expression, he's gotten rid of his bitch wife and he's gotten rid of his unfortunate situation. Like,

27:41 He's going to be fine. Yeah, he'll find a way out of this. I know he's got a body to clean up, but let's be honest, over the years, I'm sure this isn't his first body to have cleaned up. So. He's gonna slither his way out of this without an issue. Yeah, like I said oh sorry, yeah, th this would have paid off way more had he been the doting father from the comic book, um which is the ending in the comic book. He accidentally kills his his daughter, um, which he he loved. Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with you now. Um now having that context, I yeah, I can I can back up your claim there. The actual effect, though, I really like this. And I did not see this twist coming the first time around. I watched this before I read the comic book. So I thought the ending was excellently done. I agree with that. I thought the ending was good. It was the only real saving grace for me. Well, it didn't save the episode at all. I'm not kidding, nobody there, but it was the only bright spark of this episode. The.

28:42 Death on the crucifix was cool and then the reveal was very well done. So I like that part. We have our story of beautiful woman and nuk tech. So let's go ahead and a closing crypty moment. This is just more of the blues. It it really kind of comes and goes. That guitar is pretty gnarly looking. So what are the streams from? Yeah. Te tendons, I don't know. Tendons? Yeah. It's not quite. Yeah, I thought like intestine, but it's it's too fence a bit that maybe tendons. And I love that it makes just like the shittiest, crappiest guitar noise. It doesn't I think it would have been funnier to actually do like a beautiful classical guitar sound. All right. Well, severed thumb rankings. Let's pay our last respects. This is another two for me personally. I think that there are some ideas here I like. I like that there's gore, but once I owned in on that makeup, it was game over for me personally.

29:45 Yeah, and I mean, that's a big joke, obviously. I feel like the makeup could be better, but even beyond that, I just don't think there's really a super compelling narrative here. I think that you do have something interesting with Jonathan the father. You could have got into this whole blasphemous Reverend Engel, but that's not the story they decided to tell, and I've just got to judge it for what it is. Yeah. Ash you go next'cause I am fluttering between two. Yeah, yeah, no problem. Um, I would like to be articulate in my breakdown here, but I'm just gonna say I really, really dislike this episode. I would be more than okay if this was white from the face of the earth and never had to see it again. Um Yeah, I was gonna go half, but I'm gonna bump it up a little bit because of, um The end sort of scene and final kill was pretty cool with the reveal. So I'm going one severed a thumb up. Alright.

30:48 Uh I'm still stuck. I'm gonna get you know, I'm just gonna go one and a half. Um I don't know if I can go a full two on this. I thought the opening was well done and disturbing. I thought the ending was excellent, but in between there is not very much at all to like. I thought that the takedown of religion could have been a lot more interesting. There are a lot of other forms of media that have done a similar story in a much better way. So give me something more to chew on, Tales from the Crypt. You had it and you didn't quite do what you needed to do with it. One and a half. You know what? Fuck it. I'll join you. I think I can agree with all of that. And again, that was my original rating before I had considered the emotional context of what they were trying to do with the payoff there. So yeah, I think that's completely fair. I'll hop on with you guys. Sweet. So, what does that make it? Like 1.3 something, 353. I did not expect this to be one of your least ever favorites, Ash. Yeah, neither. They just like this one.

31:57 Well, it's got religion in it, and Nash hates anything that has any sort of religion, positive or negative. Oh, I mean, I wish I could, yeah. I didn't articulate it again pretty well, but it just doesn't do anything for me. Did you hate Wake Up Dead Man? Because that has a lot of religion in it. I did quite a lot of that. It was my least favorite of the three. I know you were pretty hot on it, Hunter, but it was my least favorite of the three. But I enjoyed it. I just thought it had a more compelling narrative than Glass Onion. I thought that Glass Onion had a great big idea that it didn't really delve into the whole eat the rich angle like they wanted to. And that's where it stuck up for me. Meanwhile, I thought that. the portrayal of um I think just kind-heartedness and goodness and people in Wake Up Deadman really resonated with me because that is something I'm always seeking, even if it's really hard in a world that's dark. Anyways, we want to thank you all for tuning in to Horrors from the Vault. We're really glad that you're here and we hope that you continue to be here. We are rapidly winding down, but guess what? This was the 90th episode of Tales from the Crypt, which means we have done a fuck ton of episodes of Horrors from the Vault. If you have a favorite episode, I'm pretty sure it's not in season seven.

33:16 We've already talked about it. Whether that was with Appalling Ash and myself or with Dan and Preston, we've got you covered. And there's even a couple little Halloween and Christmas specials hidden in there too. So if you're in a little bit of holiday cheer, go check that out. Of course, we are going to be talking about the films very soon once the season wraps up, but who knows? Those might be closer to a Halloween treat. Uh for those of you who are kind of wondering what's going on. Uh Devilish Dan. When you were not doing the show, what's up with you, buddy? Oh, I'm usually just sitting staring at the wall and not doing anything else. And you can catch that on Red Right Dan on Instagram. Or you know what? Fucking follow us on Instagram and Twitter and all that good shit at HorrorVaultPod. I know we're wrapping up, but we might have some gems dropping even after we're done with the show. So if you've gone this far, And you haven't followed us on there, do so just in case we drop something new and fresh for you and fun.

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Also mentioned: Dave's take on Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City in Streams and Nightmares – Late Summer Dump, more Halloween sequel retcons in Streams and Nightmares – Halloween Franchise, and our trip to Crystal Lake.

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0:17 Hello and welcome to the Best of Fives. Zombie Edition. Zombie Edition ZE. I wanted to hear this song longer. You don't have no idea how much I love. Cranberries' Zombie song. So much listen to it on your own time. We have work to do, we have work to do. Um Dave is here. My son Luke's here'cause he's'cause he's always here. He won't leave. He won't leave. I tell him, get the hell out. He just comes right back in. I pack his bags. I put them by the front door. He puts everything away. You know, he unpacks it. Yeah. Um, well, we're recording this. There's a new Resident Evil that came out this weekend, and Luke and I saw it. We asked Dave, he was busy, but he's seeing it tonight. We're not going to talk about what's happened in the movie, but Luke and I really enjoyed it and Dave is looking forward to seeing it. So. Luke had the idea to uh do a best of five. Zombie Edition. Now I Thought immediately anything zombies, anything zombie-ish.

1:21 So T Vs, movies, games, whatever, you know, songs, anything you wanted that has. Mom's a zombie. However, My my list isn't m my list is wrong, what am I what am I about to say. There's a definition for like zombie. Oh, I like this. Also, by the way, before you get into this, I don't like your tone. Well, yes, Dave on Friday night. But Dave was busy. No, no, no. No, Dave had plans. Didn't mean Dave. Dave was too busy. No, no, no. I'm just kidding. Dave had something else going on, which is fine. You know, we all have lives. It happens. And he would have went if he. Wasn't busy. Right. And if I had showed up, I would be like, I just want to let you guys know, I'm really busy, but I made time for you. I'm just kidding. What's your definition? I love that. I didn't look it up, but some people, a zombie is like the undead. Something that was alive.

2:21 I'm assuming that is now And then. But some zombie stuff isn't really like a zombie then. Which maybe we can get into it on our list. Like, you know what I mean? Like, isn't some rules? If if it's Not undead, it's not a zombie kind of thing. Yeah, I hear what you're saying,'cause there are some people that don't even call some zombie movies zombie movies. They call them infected movies. Yeah. Maybe that's when they're still alive. Like what was that movie that just came out that we liked? Colony. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like those people were behaving like zombies, but they were never really zombies. No, they weren't like infected. That's what I mean. Infected. Like is infected a zombie? It all depends on on the on the viewer. I agree. Yeah. Whatever you think. Because there are a couple of movies that I did not put on my list that at the end, I'm going to say, if these count as zombie movies, this changes everything. I totally agree. Okay. And there's a bunch, like, once I hear your list and Luke's list, I'm going to say, holy shit. Like, you asked me with you this list again tomorrow, I'll have a whole new list.

3:29 You know what I mean? Yeah. These were the ones I just I quick wrote down and then, you know, I didn't really like Dive deep into the zombie verse. Right. Well this was Luke's idea. Again, what is your definition? Of a zombie. What is your yeah? What's your name, money? Oh, some of the like undead that's not someone who's just who's just undead. Like someone who Who who won who was alive and came back. Okay. I mean, that's pretty straightforward. You can't argue with that. Like, I mean, everybody's, I'm sure there are people, not that anybody is listening to this because there's only like four of them. Finally, look up the real Whatever it's called, dictionary definition of zombie. And then anybody that listens to us is pretty chill, and they're not going to be. You know, arguing about things, but there are sure people out there that would die on some hill and come back from the dead. Yeah, which is a zombie about.

4:32 These definitions. And I'm sometimes that guy about some things. I'm just not about this. This is something that everybody seems to really like. I mean, they keep making these movies. And uh They're just supposed to be fun and Alright. And I'm not I'm not getting Like, let's just say, like, like this, I would count zombies as like this kind of universe of like, you know, of like Frankenstein, werewolf, mummy. All right, hold on. Zombies. Buddy, turn your light up. I can't see them. Volumes of bad. zombie is this is so this is what you do in a restaurant right you turn on your freaking flashlight to read the no luke hands yes that is true i am not embarrassed now you are hands me his phone and the brightness is like halfway or almost all the way down i cannot see the high brightness hurts my eyes the high brightness it also saves the battery I don't care what yeah, charge it up. It's it's I can't. A zombie is a fiction or legendary corpse. That has come back to life, but without a normal mind or free will. That's a damn good.

5:36 I like that. But then there's pop culture and movies. There's undead infection or destruction. All right. Well, I guess the we've learned nothing. And I'm not surprised. But I was saying earlier, you know, like Wolfman, Mummy, Frankenstein, I would count zombie in like that kind of category. And zombies isn't really. On the top of my list, sometimes of like the creatures of the night, or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean? Okay. Luke, what's the order? And do it fast before one of us dies and then we come back at the zombies. Who's you go first. Nate. He's he's supporting me, Dave. Yeah. Then I'll go. And they will ask. Okay. So you say you're saying you you're seeing the best for last. Okay. I don't think so. I'm not I'm I don't I'm no authority on this, so I'm not really, yeah. And there's so many out there that I just skipped. I just picked five. Six. So here's a question. Go ahead. Can you use ones?

6:39 kind of like infected. That's not according to the person who's speaking. Yeah, you do whatever you want. Yeah, do whatever you want. There's no rules. No one's going to fire us. And so it's going to be you firing yourself. Yeah, you're the creative director. You make those decisions. Ask yourself. Go ahead. Yes, yourself. So yourself. say self, can I use in in in infection people? And then go, yes, she can self. All right, I'm going first, buddy. Yeah. All right. My number five is I think I showed Luke to this Luke this a while ago, maybe. Um I think I did it because it was just funny. It was a funny zombie movie. It was Zombieland. And it was Bill Murray. Yeah. To be a zombie. If my memory even my memory is always shit, just to stay alive. He's just pretending to be a zombie so he fits in with all the zombies. Am I correct, Dave?

7:44 Yeah. Okay. So you have that that specific Yeah, yeah, that scene just when they turn the corner. And it was in the mansion, and it's Bill Murray with fucking makeup on, you know, as it pretending to be a zombie, just so he doesn't die. Yeah, it's really funny. So Columbus is the scared one? He's like a little bunny. I'll get him. Explodes. Oh, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. Thank God. Yeah. Is that how you say hello where you come from? It's been a long time since I said I watched this movie, but I just remember when I first saw it, just roaring, just pissing my pants, and he shoots him because you think he's a zombie, but he was just Bill Murray in a wig. Ellie, that is such a Bill Murray thing. He goes, I'll get him.

8:54 And I always like the Bill Murray history. He doesn't have a cell phone. He doesn't have anything. I've had to get a hold of him to be in your movies. It's like, Extremely pardon rare. I'm glad he was in designer. It's it's a dumb movie, but I I thought it was fun just seeing him. As himself. Dinguis are funny. Yeah, there's about two of them, I think. Yeah, yeah. So that's that's that's my number five, Bill Murray. I actually so of the rule, he wasn't really dead. But him just pretending to be a zombie worked for me. Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Violation. No. I'm fires. Luke, what's your number five? Modern five is Zombieland. For Bill Murray or just for the zombies themselves? Okay. Oh, the whole movie. Yeah. Okay. I I didn't pick just a movie. I I just picked the movie'cause I love I love Yeah. What year was this out? Zombieland.

9:57 'Kay. Pretty old. But the man will look it up. He's the master looker upper. Wimelina, buddy? And it's it's great. I mean, it is a fantastic I think I think I like one more than what's two, like head shot or double shot, whatever it's called. Double tap. Double tap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First one came out two thousand nine. So you were, I didn't, you were five. I didn't say you'd take it to see this when you were five, right? The second one came out in 2019. We probably watched the first one before I took you to see part two. Yeah. Good parenting. There you go. Yeah, the good parenting. Oh boy. Always looking for his Twinkies. It is Twinkies. It's because Twinkies live on forever. Twinkies never die. All right, so our five is Zombieland, Dave. Is your five Zombieland? No. I did like the first Zombieland when I saw it, but I don't even think I have it. It's an honorable mention. Probably because of God, what's that fucking guy's name? Uh like Luthor, who played him?

11:00 I don't like him. Jesse Eisenberg, right? Yeah, he. I'm not a fan of him either. He just drives me up the wall. Um, but. Yeah, good movie. My number five is the newest movie that I have, and when this came out last year. I saw it early. I think I saw like an advanced screening, and I saw this scene, and I was just like, holy shit. And then everybody that I knew afterwards that saw this was like, Dave. This movie and this scene specifically was made for you. 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple. And I liked the whole movie so much. It was actually really, really fucking sad. Both of those, those, those. Uh That one and the one that came after it, which was just about The kid. Um I love these movies and Jack O'Connell. is fantastic in them too. The scene where Ralph Fiennes

12:01 To make it look like he is. Satan Uh Jack O'Connell is telling his gang is his is ru is his son is dad. Mm. to Iron Maiden's number of the beast was the best thing that I saw last year, I swear to God. [Music] I've watched that scene. dozens of times.

13:02 And I went back and saw the movie a second time and filmed just that scene so I could have it on my phone and I could just watch it whenever I wanted without having to go to like YouTube or anything like that. Cause it was still new in theaters and it wasn't like out, out. And I kept it and I like sent it to Tim. It was like, holy shit, my life revolved around this scene for like a couple of weeks. such a good movie. And and this accentuated the zombie lore that was Put out through that entire series, and I know they're making another one. Yeah, yeah, this was a good movie, yeah. I'll keep watching anything that Danny Boyle wants to do with this, so uh. Really, really memorable. And I'm glad there's something new in here because generally my stuff tends to skew older. Things that have you know, grown up with or that are part of Hmm. I am as an entertainment consumer. So I'm glad to always add something new. And this is great. I wanna know, did he have a boom box or an iPod when he played that song? He had his record player. Oh, he did. He did. He did, actually. Because that's one of the jokes. It's very it's a very bleak movie, but every once in a while there's humor in it.

14:10 And he is listening to his old records in his like compound. You're right. Was it who was it, Bowie? Yeah, what was yeah, he was like listening to like, you know, classic, classic music. And then Jack O'Connell's like, listen, you're gonna do this for me or we're gonna kill you. You're gonna pretend like you're Satan so they all believe me, that I'm the son of Satan. And he goes right to the record collection and he pulls out number of the beast and he goes, Well We're going to have to turn it up to 11. And it's like, now there's this moment of comedy in this. This is the most bleak movie ever, but great. It was a good move. All right, me. Man number four. Man number four. My my number four is just everything that involves this. Because I played all the games, saw all the movies, and the new movie just came out. Anything Resident Evil. is just fantastic. Like I love playing those games as a as a I guess twenties, you know, I don't even know when the first one came in, the nineties when the PlayStation One or something like that. The Resident Evil Games is I love that shit, being scared and the me live movies were stupid and fun and this this new one was really good.

15:18 Even though A.S. Luke and all there's a Resident Evil Netflix show buddy? And we never watched it. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah. Maybe that's why. Is it based on the games? are based on the movies. I don't really know. I don't really know. Like, there's another podcast that came out doing a reviewable, and I was like, Oh yeah, that came out. I I I never watched it. I don't think we just never Get around to it. But you know, and those those those games, you know, whereas even one, two, three, four, whatever, you know, we played them all and it's scary and shit and it's hard and you find the find the guns and the bullets and and you're killing the zombies and everything. It's it's it's Yeah, buddy? The first game came out 1996. Yeah. For the PlayStation I think. Yeah, that makes sense. That's when we were playing it at the movie theater. In the projection booth. So and it's it's been on you you gotta give it to like a zombie whatever. Or I'm sorry, in infectious

16:20 They're not really zombies, I guess, but you know, zombieish. Oh, because they're infected by the The virus from the umbrella umbrella company. It's they're not even easy, but in my eyes, if you walk like that. You're a zombie. I think it all counts. Nobody's going to argue with you. Right. Um I have that little video game console that you can buy online. Is that right there? Yeah, you can play all the Resident Evil games. I played Resident Evil 2. not that long ago, and I'm just shit at it. But it's cool to see it. I mean, that thing has tens and tens of thousands of video games on it. So if you ever want to play any of the Resident Evils. I at a at a you know the touch of a button. I know. That is, I gotta look into that. I have to get that so I can play. I can play Missile Command anytime I want. I love that that's the first thing you go to. 1984 Missile Command. Because when you first got that and we came over and we were playing that.

17:22 kicking ass in Missile Command. I was doing great. Yeah, yeah. That's my number four. Anything Resident Evil. It's just, it's what I guess. I you know, high school was ninety one, I graduated, but I guess I was gonna say what I g I grew up with, but I guess after my high school life. I grew up with residue. Bye, Luke. Don't say, don't sit there as any of them. You can't say anything. Mine were four, yeah. World War Z. Yes. See, that's a fantastic one. And there's rumors for part two. Yeah, yeah. But supposedly, the past like years now, they're making it. But it's back. Yeah. Now there are. been a while. There were nine zombies that they just infected. Or are they zombies? They're infected, but. I mean everybody it's World War Z. Like Z is it's not just like World War, you know, or anything. It's Z for a reason. Z stands for zombies, right? Okay. That was great. The first time we watched that. Yeah, that was fantastic. Isn't that the one? I'm getting a lot of my zombie movies confused.

18:30 Is that the one where he's walking through windo like and they're like right behind glass and then they're like biting? Like I say like behind a window Yeah, well at the end, he's a scientist. That's the reason he's brought in on all this. And the whole beginning of that takes place in Philadelphia, which is cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they bring him in at the end because he's a he's like an affection expert. And he does that thing almost like War of the Worlds. where They decide that if we're infected Remember how in War of the Worlds they killed the zombies with just like the common cold? Yeah, with with a yeah, with an allergy pill. Yeah. Yeah. With what's it called? Zyrtec. And that was right, exactly. So he they take him to the World Health Organization. Because that's all they're doing the whole time, is trying to get him to. like the headquarters in, I don't know, Switzerland or something like that. That's right. And so he can work on something and instead he gets trapped and he's like, you know what? Fuck it.

19:34 And he injects himself with like every virus, but like nothing, he doesn't inject himself with like AIDS. He gives himself like, you know, like measles, chicken pox. Right, strep throat. Like he gives himself all that shit. And then he's like, fuck it. We're all going to die. This might work. And he opens the door and that one comes in and it's like right in his face. And it's like sniffing them and it's like, it won't. It won't. Um attack him because he's sick. That's right. I gotta watch that again. Maybe when part two finally comes out, we we watch it. In the movie? Was there like a big wall? All the zombies are climbing up like you know, colony. Yeah, we're gonna mention colony a lot in the chips though, because that's how the colony movie was. They're like ants, and they were like made their own little ant hill, yeah, zombie hill. Yeah, I really like how colony. described that and explained it that it's a hive mentality. And it's shared information and they're so smart. Whether it's an ant or a zombie, that they adapt and learn from each other and work together as a hive. It's really cool. It really is. It's scary.

20:46 That's a good one, buddy. World War Z was was, you know. for Brad Pitt and for for the idea of of what would happen and all. Yeah. Going, buddy. Dave's number four. I remember before I went uh silly, I guess you call it. And I love The stuff that Tim Burton and Johnny Depp did together and Helena Bonham Carter. So my number four is Corpse Bride. Okay. It's just so delightful. And I remember, especially when our kids were little, I was always trying to. Find ways to introduce Halloween or horror into my son's life without it being too scary. Right. And this was perfect. This came along at the perfect time. There's zombies, you know, there's definitely an element of fright. but it's not intense. It's a musical. This had everything going for it. The Danny Elfman songs are. Freaking delightful. And it's a it's a good love story too. I freaking love Corpse Bride. And that goes into Remains of the Day, like the best song.

22:15 In the movie, I love Corpse Bride a lot. I ever actually have a uh Victory figure Corpse Bride, yeah, standing right over to my right. I freaking love it so much. It's been so long since I've seen this movie. I think I probably did so once when it was out in theaters. Yeah, this might, I mean, Danny Elfman did so many great things. This song specifically, This Remains of the Day, this might be one of the best things he ever did. better than some of those scores. Because he tells the whole story of the corpse bride and how she was killed by this other guy, and it's just great. It's been a while. That's when that's when I should introduce you to. Alright, so where we at? Mine number three? Back to my number three, get off of here. Turn up the light. I can't see. My number three. Which Is I blame Luke Luke for my number three. I guess when Caitlin still lived at home and everything, this was a big deal. And we and we played it and we watched the new show. Why do I make? Because The Last of Us is something I never would have probably gotten into if it wasn't for you and your sister saying of how great the games were. And I played the first one. Like we played that like one.

23:31 Yeah, but I like we all we all waited until we were all home together. And they're not zombies, right? They're infected by what? Like plants? Don't they grow like mushrooms out of their bodies or leaves? I don't, I don't know the real. Terminology. The Last of Us was a fantastic game and the show is just as good as fantastic. Dave doesn't like it because you gotta walk around a lot. Well, the show was good until he was gone. But in real life, you walk too. That is. So, what's the difference? Do you want to play a video game of your daily life? I got up and I went downstairs and I got in my car and then I went to work. Do you want to play your work life and then I go to the grocery store? Do you want to play a game of you cutting grass? No. You know why? Because you cut the grass. Why would you play the game of some something that you could do? Well, there is like simulators of of mowing grasses. What's that mean? What does what? It's a simulator. You can cut the grass in like a virtual way.

24:38 Why would you do that? Oh. Some people find that stuff comforting. It's like soothing, yeah. Well, Last of Us was a fun game and the and and and playing it and it was creepy. The you guys over there at the Bloaters, right? Yeah. The bloaters was a big deal. It's it's a fun game and it's Violent and nasty, and the I think they should give the game another chance. Now, I'm not gonna do that. I can't give games a chance now, yeah. And I'm not good, I'm not good at games like that anyway. I don't enjoy games like that. I'm glad that you do. The show was good. He likes sports. He likes sports. What games do you enjoy? I like sports games that are different all the time and you have more control over the outcome. Like your skill at the game as a, you know, fake athlete. Determines whether or not you win, not some predetermined storyline. That's why I don't like games like that. And it does it's not just The Last of Us. I played that Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Yeah. Because it's like, oh, it's Indiana Jones. I hate it.

25:40 I gotta step here. Okay. And then if you get stuck, it's like, well, what do I do now? I'm completely stuck. I can't get over this. I think they would hate like. Zelda and like Tomb Raider, that's how all those were. You had to unlock puzzles and shit. Yeah, I don't I don't like it. The Lego games were good because that was more unpredictable. You did have things that you had to do, but there was it was a it was a world. It was like a universe. Then you could go wherever you wanted. Right. Right. You could ignore it, you know, and just do whatever you wanted to do. They've like simple games where you just hit a ball. Yes, I want to push one button. He wants to have. He wants the old Atari with the red button on. On the top right, right? Yeah, but with like today's graphics, yeah. Like I play, like I play FIFA, like soccer and stuff like that. It would be great if it was just a joystick. And a and two buttons. Red button. One was pass and one was shoot. That's all I need. Yeah, it's it's I mean, I'm I'm I'm always a Nintendo guy. But sometimes when the Xboxes and the PSs, there's like fucking seven to ten buttons up here, an F L R R L and the triggers underneath underneath the control pad. I mean, come on. I only have 10 fingers, you know what I mean? I'm on 11 buttons. And it does make for someone that is really good at that and understands how to use that controller, it does give them an advantage and they should.

27:03 benefit from being so skilled because I would play my son in something. And I'm just doing pass and shoot. And he's like sly tackling and doing all kinds of stuff. And I'd be like, how do you do that? And he's like, well, it's under, it's the trigger. It's the this. It's the same. I'm like, I didn't even know there was a button there. Yeah, so I lose. We grew up when there was this easy bug. We're playing playing that Lego Batman game and you have no idea what you're doing. I have no idea. So I get sick. And I'm driving that car around. I'm like, where am I? I just want to get out and find something. It's just too involved sometimes. And the older you get, the more you get motion sickness. And I can't. And it breaks. I need Batman just to go home for half an hour and take a break. Do you get motion sickness? Yeah, yeah. Um I don't know if I get motion sickness from a T V screen. But definitely a movie screen and certainly in real life. Yeah. Yeah. It's an age thing. The older you get, you can't do, I can't do coasters anymore. I can't do anything. So don't make fun of us. I got sick at Universal Studios.

28:07 and the minions ride. And I was sitting still. I guess they could minions ride in the line waiting. Hey, you go in and it's like one of these kind of like the seats rock and they move. It's like almost like a flight simulator, but it's a movie theater. And I went, just my son and I, and I send him off. To sit with some other nice family. And I'm sitting. Can you take care of my son? I'm watching him from afar. And I'm like, I keep my eyes on him the whole time because he was still pretty little. And I'm like, I'm not tricking my eyes off him. And every time I would look at the screen, I would go, oh. And I'm sitting on a bench, like still bolted to the ground. And I can't even look at the screen. So I just eventually. All together and made sure that the nice family from Omaha, Nebraska was not abducting my son. It's just the Ace thing, buddy. Sooner or later, it's what happened here. When you go on a ride, just shut your eyes. Then why go on the ride, then? Let me go and see what this ride is. But I can't. Do you know why? My eyes are shut.

29:10 They'll make fun of us. So anyway, that's what we have. It's gonna happen. It happens to everybody sooner or later. Do you ever see old people on coasters? No. Those young, young people who Tom Cruise is old. He's still here. He does. He's Tom Cruise. He's a Scientologist. He's got all the secrets. He has, yeah. He doesn't take medicine. He knows how to handle everything. He knows how to do life. We don't. We don't. Live what's your number three. Mine were three. It's from a music video. I think Why did they laugh at that? I just think it's funny that I already see where we're going. Your ones and threes are Flip-flopped, I'm sure. Dave, is he in this room? Is he behind us? I'm not saying what number one is. Luke, all I say is son, that is a great number. Empathet one. That's a great number three for you. Great number three? Yes. Thriller. Is Phenomenal and it's not my turn to say anything. So I I thought this I thought this is was the one

30:14 Gerdau. Who me? Yeah. How do you fucking think your followers are gonna forget Michael Jackson's thriller? Right, like how would he forget that? You forgot a lot of zombie ones. Well, yeah, I forgot, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I didn't say which ones, I didn't say. Brother, I'm not saying any else. This is your number three. I proof. I approve. Yeah. Oh, I'm a john. I can't watch. Yeah. I always love that. He's like, no, I'm enjoying this. Yes, I'm enjoying this. And she gets up to leave. And he's a good actor. The look on his face is like, you fucking bitch. This is what I want to see. He's so mad that she's getting up to leave. He's like, you are just such a little bit.

31:15 See you next Wednesday. It is the same. Play the whole song. Play the whole video, 12 minutes long. It's only a movie. It's not funny. scare work. Wasn't that scared? Scared. Consume. Yeah, you were scared. You were scared. Does she do cons she does chore theater all the time? And we're going to end of October and she's not announced. And where did you get her? Yes. I have John Landis on my. I'm sorry. Yes. I have John Landis on my album. Sorry. So I would love to get. What's your ray? Yeah, I would love it. I love it too because. Everybody knows her name that's our age because at the end when they show the credits, it says like starring Ola Ray. That's like the f one of the first things that you see.

32:19 Otherwise, nobody knows who she is. No. It was, it's fantastic. You know, she's good at walking slowly. Yeah, walking slowly, put one foot next to the other one and super like who walks that slow as your other table. Like, Michael's doing 99.9% of the work. Like, Ola, we just need you to walk slowly enough that Michael can dance around you. Do you think you can do that? Yes. Oh, buddy. Excellent. Is this your number one? It's not my turn yet. Whose turn is now? I've lost track now. Dave. Dave's. Dave's three, right? Okay, and then back to me for two. But Dave thinks that That my three, that R311 is going to be swapped. Oh, come on. I knew the second you said it. I didn't know the order necessary, but I knew what your number ones were. This is like this is like the you know, the outcome that everyone saw coming. Dave knows this world. Dave's been around us for so long. Well, you probably know mine too. Although. Yeah, Luke has a bet. He knows exactly what you're.

33:21 One is he called it. put it on Kaushi. Mm-hmm. What's the original. The Evil Dead. 1981's The Evil Dead. Yeah. That at the time when I was younger, seeing that was the scariest movie that I had ever seen. And the one that affected me the most. I probably have talked about this before. That was the movie that I couldn't shake for a long time. Did you see this when you were like, what, nine or 10, do you think? No, I didn't see it when we were that little, but seeing it then as a teenager, like we're, we grew up with slashers. We grew we grew up with Michael and and Freddie and Leatherface and you know like that that's that was kind of our horror and that was scary to me when I was little but it was still like exciting and titillating and and fun to watch this movie it was not fun to watch When you were little, and when you were even like a preteen, because of how. Overwhelming it was, and this was a kind of like there were rules to these other movies: you know, Jason's going to kill people and then he's going to get shot, he's going to get back up, right? Right, there's a pattern to those movies. This movie was chaos.

34:34 There was no pattern to it whatsoever. And you didn't feel safe watching it as a young person. Trees raping people. There's these long camera shots. And you're right. The thing that really got me was the noise and the sound. Um that were just non-stop. irritating to the point where You really, really wanted it to stop. It was scary and it was also. Irritating. I don't think I've hadn't gondones. like the re-releases or maybe the sequels. I never saw this one way back when until Probably the reboots or something like that. Yeah. There were no rules to this. And that was frightening to me. I don't know, I don't know, but I think it's really some sort of extra sense or something, you know, like ESP. Okay, try this. Okay, um. It's a seven. I don't believe it! Queen of of spades. Hearts. Eight of spades. Two spades. Jack of diamonds. Jack of clubs. Why have you disturbed our sleep? Awakened us from our ancient slumber. You and I!

35:58 Like the others before you. One by one we will take you. That Voice that that that that voice is it's that's that is the scary voice, though it's that slowed down, it's what they do in the exorcist too. And that was another movie that just Couldn't thinking about it. Terrify me. And I would think about it and, you know, and in bed at night with the lights out, like, and I would hear that, that, that slowed down. Um, voice like where it's where it's like downfather, you know what I mean? They like slow down a human voice and it becomes scary. Oh my god, yeah. That really got to me as a kid. And this was the jumping point of a wonderful franchise. Of the ones that Sam Raimi did and the ones that have come after remakes, they're all good. I Luke Luke wants to

37:01 To knock down your what we had number three. No, the creatures in Evil Dead are not traditional zombies, but rather demonically possessed humans and corpse known as Deadites. They are. Right, but they're zombies. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. I'm I'm going with it. Lou Lou looked at him and he's like, Look, I go, Yeah, none of us are zombies. The last of us aren't zombies. Yeah. Who's the girl who pops out of the of the thing? And th in this first one, like the the head that comes out of the the floor and so the one that's in the floor. Yeah. I don't know her name. She does conventions a lot, I think. Yeah, she does. And she spends the whole time just taunting them. The the floor is open to crackers. Why didn't you just leave? This is the first time you cheesy. They try to leave in the car and they get to the bridge and the bridge is out. The bridge that they've come across is out. It's this like terrible matte painting, like an 80s mat painting with like this bridge. It was a coyote painting, right? Yeah, kind of.

38:02 This one really got to me. And even today, watching the first one, and then it, and then they become funny. You know, like, it's like, that's like a whole nother thing that's like great about these. Most people would say Evil Dead 2 is. Best in the franchise, and I'm not going to argue with that. But this one is the scarier, I would say. This is definitely scarier, yeah. That's my number three. All right. Where we at now, Blake? Twos? Does it make two? Is it me? That was his three, so it was back to me. And then you or the UI didn't make? I forget. No, they went with you. No, her number two. Yeah. My number two. Is something that was huge in its time. Was like We watched this shit live. The the original Walking Dead. Like when it started, and I remember watching the first season, you guys were too young. I remember going upstairs, oh, there's a new show on about the zombies. Let me go watch it and see how it is. Loved it immediately. And then I guess as time passes, you guys had you guys watch it. Did you think this show was going to get canceled? I, yeah. Yeah. Cause a TV show about zombies.

39:08 That's not gonna Yeah, I mean or not lasts however long it lasted, but fucking spinoffs after spinoffs, which we watch all the spinoffs. Yeah. The spinoffs suck. Some of these spinoffs are just so fucking bad. The Walking Dead was a show that you watched Sunday nights nine o'clock AMC. Live. So'cause someone got killed, someone got killed off. We went to the conventions, that was a big part of our lives. We went to all the c conventions, the Walker Stalker cons and Monster Manias and we met 80% of the cast. We need, you know, we haven't met Rick yet, but all like Shane and Daryl and you know, everybody, the Coast Guard. Remember when we used to go? Go to a con, we met the person. Did we watch the episode? Who was the your guy? His head got cut off. Hershel. We saw Hershel at your theater. On a Saturday. That Sunday night, his character died all. Yeah. Which kind of explains: hey, I'm at a con, I'm not working anymore, so I'm dead. You know what I mean?

40:11 Walking Dead was a huge part of our lives for the longest time. And we still watch the what's name name all the There's The Walking Dead. The movie even wants The Talking Dead with Chris Hardwick afterwards. Paid on the guests. And there's that Fear the Walking Dead with Colman Domingo, who knew that he's a fucking star now after that shitty show. Um The Daryl Dixon has a show. Yeah. Maggie and Negan. Maggie and Negan didn't have a show that we watched, what's the kid one? kid one. I said I was called World Beyond. World Beyond. We watched that one. Rick and Michonne. Oh my God. Rick and Michonne. What's that? Five? Yeah. I mean we we we watch everything Thing Walking Dead. At all. But at a st Dave, did did did he ever watch The Walking Dead? I don't think he did. Never saw a second of it. No, but I probably would like it, at least the original stuff. I know that people, my son watched it and he has said what I've heard other people say: it's fantastic and it's like the best ever. And then something happens in one season, and everybody just was like, okay, well, this completely sucks now. I don't know what that is. Everybody's saying when Negan joined.

41:19 Yeah, Jeffrey Dean Morgan's character, which nobody cares. This is spoilers. This show's been out for 15 years now, okay. There is What pisses me off to this day still is that hold on is that Negan, there's this character Maggie and Glenn. Glenn is Maggie's. Dave has no idea. Glenn is Maggie's. Boyfriend, husband, Steven Yeun. Is is the actor. Negan bashes in his head. They partners, bashes in his head, kills him his eyeball. Boing pops out. He's dead. Today, 2026, on the Maggie and Negan Show, they're working together. Friends, and we always even Kelly gets pissed off. You killed my husband. I'm not teaming up with you. Then there's a kind of a hinting. They like. Are they falling in love here? You say, Jesus Christ, after the Walking Dead, and then 10 years later, this happens. No. Anyway, Dave, I'm sorry. I just had to go off there. So the thing that bothers you is the romance angle. Well, they're teaming up. Now they're friends. You killed. Like, if anybody killed anyone on my family members, I wouldn't be teaming up with them later on sharing a hoagie.

42:28 No! Even if there was not that many people left on the earth? Well, on these new shows, there's a lot there's towns, there's hotels. People are going to jobs. It's like there's the walking dents out there. They're not like dance parties. Yeah, they're having dance parties. They're having roasts. It's like. There's zombies walking around. So it's not a It is. It's in New York now, and everything's like burned down, and there's all vines everywhere. But they just had to live in their best lodge. And they're just, you killed my husband. And the son is on the show too now. And you killed my dad. Don't talk to me. When the walk did first started. It was a lot of zombies. Oh, yeah. It was the eight cast members and then zombies. Yeah. Or whatever. The Walking Dead, which was great. Like, Just like in Smallville, never no one ever said the word Superman. In Walking Dead, no one ever says the word zombie, ever. I heard the zombie pop culture doesn't exist in that world.

43:31 I don't So they don't know what a zombie is? They're not using the word zombies happens in other movies too. Yeah, which is fantastic. And and that's why the walking dead means that they're dead. and they're walking. And it's the they could combine the long walk with the walking dead and those zombies would all win. Say? Would you like to things that aren't even zombie movies? Were you like if Rocky and Drago became friends? Well see that's ki that that's what kinda happens. Yeah, they and even Rocky and apo but but nobody although Drago did kill Apollo. Mm. Are they friends? Is there a scene where they're friends? There's a scene well, I guess they're not friends. They have that conversation. Oh, but time has passed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This I don't want to see. You can't understand either of them. It's like zombies. Are they saying I hate you or do I love you? I don't know. So, anyway, Walking Dead is a gigantic in pop culture history, and we watched all of it. So, that's my number two.

44:34 That's my number two. Well, guess what? It's also his number two. It's gotta be because he talks about the all the time. Yeah. You love that. Yeah, how many people do you have on that poster? How many counted that? Like over 40 something or is it 80 something? It's like a bunch. It's so much. And that was Caitlin's project poster forever. And then she. Moved out. Does she still have it? Does she have it or do you have it? We have we have hanging actually in her room. So it's it's there. So she whenever she comes and visits or it's mostly it's it's Luke's side room now that he puts all of his shit in there now. But we're never going to get Rick. No, I mean, he's done conventions. I mean, sooner or later, 10, 20 years from now, I don't know. He's the guy from Love Actually? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When did we get him? He hasn't done anything yet. Like, he hasn't done anything. He does shows in Europe. He did Walker Stalker in Atlanta. Yeah. And then we're filming. They're in its prime. Yeah. Yeah. He's not like a big star. But I bet you hadn't. Sooner or later, you'll end up getting him. I mean Michael J. Fox and some of his other people do these conventions. This guy's this guy's the guy that wears the sweaters in Love Actually wears a sweater every scene.

45:44 She even has a spot. It's a cool poster of Andrew Lincoln. on top of like a a bust on its side shooting. And as well. There's all like these zombies. We had the zombies sign on the bottom and the cast all around him. And she had a spot left, like a spot by his arm. That he wants she wants him to sign there and then some other fucking Or the gunshot. Like the gun. Yeah, some other guy signed there. She was, she had a f that. But but now we won't. Just sign on his body. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's that's That's our live day. Sooner or later we'll get him. Does Dave have any pusser? Projects. I don't get autographs really. Every once in a while. Huey Lewis when we went to that one because I wanted him to sign my 45 from Back to the Future. You and I are very mature. listing, which is horrible. That's not it. We mean happy. Luke? We buy everything. We gotta have it. We gotta have a physical copy. We gotta have have it in our hand.

46:48 Ridiculous. We we like the physical copy. No, of everything. Toys, action figures. It's a it's it's just too much. Yeah, what If it makes you happy, it's not too much. Right. All right. Luke's, those you two looking in. Okay. Dave? You're number two. Number two, I talk about this a lot. On lots of shows. I'm going back to the original, to the classic 1968 Night of the Living Dead. It's uh, it's like you know, like what they say about Jesus. At Christmas, he's the reason for the season. Yes. Night of the Living Dead is the Jesus Christ of zombie movies. Okay. It's so great. It will always be. That sentence was never said in the history of life. It's so, it's the perfect jumping off point. And back in the day, this was like horror, like beyond belief. He shows kids now, they'd be like, What the fuck is this? This is so stupid. But this is the archetype for everything that will come after, and it'll never get old, and I'll always love it forever.

47:56 He said, really be scared here. Johnny. still afraid. Stop it now. I mean it They're coming to get you, Barbara. Stop it! You're ignorant! They're coming for you, Barbara. Stop it! You're acting like a child! They're coming for you. Never gets old. watch it at least once a year. Um I hate it when I see people have colorized it. The black and white adds to it. Uh yeah. I mean I I've talked about this a lot a lot, like too much, so I'm not gonna Say too much else, but I really find comfort in this movie. I watched this a lot when I was little. And uh probably is one of the things that made me like horror as much as I do. I I have to agree, like I've seen I never watched this the whole thing. I've seen pieces here and there and everything and I'm I'm curious and all. I never really sat down and watched these. Then there's like all these like

48:58 Sequels and rebate remote reboots and remakes. I know I said remoots. Remoots. I like remoots. It says reboot and remake combined. I just made up a word. Remoots. And some of those are good. Yeah, I'm gonna I know you're not gonna say it so like we get to honorable mentions. Dawn of the 2004 Dawn of the Dead remake in the mall with Ty Burrell and uh Ving Rhames. I remember that one. Really freaking great. That is, that is, that deserves. An honorable mention of the They take this basic idea and the isolation of it. And up the ante with some better acting. Honestly, the acting in this is pretty bad. Way better effects, more contemporary setting like a mall, like they do in the original Dawn of the Dead. The ways that they've gone with this, some of them have stunk, obviously, but there are some really, really good ones. As well. So, yeah, this is this is, and I already talked, I had this on a list not that long ago because I talked about you're still laughing at my word. It's just a word. Removed. Yeah. Um, about the racial overtones of.

50:15 Night of the Living Dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the hero being a black guy through the whole thing and what happens to him at the end. being like this. Okay, this is a zombie movie, but it's also. Social commentary. So watch this in 1968 and remember the time frame of when that was. and digest that too. So this is like more than just And you and you're right, you have to give it nineteen sixty eight, I mean this this when it came out, this this was you know like this meant a lot back. You know what I mean? Now like like you know, like but like Dave said, people watch, oh my god, it's horrible, but It me it means something for for everybody. The spine right two. Number one, is that where we're at now? This one was tough. Let me get this ready for you. Go ahead. Is it a remote? It's not this funny. This is not a remote. It is, I love dogs, Frankenweenie. No, it's not. This is a no-brainer. This is just this.

51:18 Let me just say say this. I did look something up here so I can get I will have to say that I think this is how I was maybe. I don't know, introduced to like Zombies December 2nd, 1983, when it premiered. Is the first time that I saw whatever 17 minutes? I even know how long this is. It was Michael Jackson's thriller. So so this was the first zombie figure. Like, I really don't think, like, I was really like, like, Dave's like, like, like, Dave the Death. Like, I don't think I lay them down. I never really. Think so. I don't remember anything when I was born until this was out, like zombie from one until I was nine. I guess. This would do it for you forever. Forever. Sorry I didn't believe you.

52:29 She sat down. Guys who married me. Yeah, I like you. Yes. I just wonder if Be my girl. Oh, oh my god. Uh So sweet. It's it's it's fantastic. And one of my favorite scenes is when he changes and you know, and the dance, it's a thriller. Come on, it's that's a no-brainer. When he changes into the wolf or the zombie. Well, no, the the the zombies. When whenever he like she when she's like surround they're both surrounded and she looks around and then and the camera's comes in like the like that jaw seen at right him. Yeah. And then he said she'd already changed. Yeah, come on. It's fantastic. I guess I'm not to say. I just it's Michael Jackson's.

53:31 Thriller was, I swear. If I look back in time from whenever I was born until this came in, I don't think I watched anything. Sure. Not positive, but I was really late, you know, about Mel Stallone Arnold watching all that shit. I wasn't, it was Freddie, Michael, and Jason. I never really, you know. Jason could be maybe a zombie. I don't know. Well, yeah, that's there's like a lot of. And well maybe we'll talk about that on the honorable mentions. Jason is a zombie, right? I was thinking because he's the undead. He drowns. But Do zombies age? I guess so because he died as a kid. Now he's a full-grown man. Hey, yeah, who knows? The rules are out the window. I mean, Jason's way more of a zombie than my. The evil dead because they're not, Luke is right, they're not. They're not zombies. They're like possessed. They're demonstrated. They're demonically possessed, but they do die. times I come back from the dead. So there's an element of it. So it's a zombie? There's no rules to this whatsoever. Jason, how does Jason get from the little boy that drowned?

54:35 Mm-hmm. glorious slab of beefcake that he is later in the other movies. So he's out of I was dying for that Crystal Lake show. Shave. That Crystal Lake show. Doesn't it look amazing? Yeah, the first two episodes are out already. Another knot. I'm pretty sure they are. It comes out in October. October. Don't you dare, because I'll hang up right now. This show's over. All I'm telling you is, I saw a thing this morning that said. Now that the first two episodes are out, has this been worth the wait? Look. Is this out? This is October 15th. I'm just telling you, maybe somebody did like a preview. And I heard they're all dropped at once. Yeah. I can't wait. Either way, I can't wait. People have their problems with that already. The whole Jason lore is not lining up according to the show. Oh, whatever. Exactly. I don't give a shit. But anyway, Jason is, yeah, he's, you, you, you shoot him and you cut off his, but then what about Michael Myers? Isn't there one that he gets his head cut off? And then he's back? Oh, that's not him.

55:38 That's a that's a um Ambulance driver. Oh yeah. That's not him the entire time during that chase, so that's how they explain that. He crushed the throat. Of Okay. ambulance driver so the guy couldn't say like hey i'm not michael myers i'm bob Yeah. So that's why he wasn't talked the whole time. Well at least at least they were thinking, you know. Storyline. Well, this is this is retcon for the sequel after when that shit happened. Yeah. Every, yeah, every sequel denies the other sequel or the franchise. Yeah. The Halloween after H2O, she's in a Mental institution, like her brother, waiting for him to come back. And she's there because she has now learned that she killed an innocent man with like a family. Well, that wasn't even Michael Dergen. You got so many different channels. I know. It's it's fine. It's always going to be stupid. If you sit and dwell on how stupid movies are, you're never going to like any movie that has ever been made. Right.

56:47 They really are stupid. If you think about it, everything. Yeah. Divided harmons are stupid. I mean, it's kind of stupid. It's well, it's a, it's a thing like that could happen. It's a serial killer could. Could do it. Like that first one, okay. And then, you know, six times, and that's. Pretty funny. I shot six time leaves. All right, my number one was Michael Jackson's Thriller with Luke's. Yes. It's quite valuable and was a Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, yeah, it was a shaved head and everything. I'm done talking about him. I don't want to talk about him ever again in this house. Wow. Alright, so is this my number one? I think Luke's had to go. I think right your number one is The thriller? Thriller, which three and one are swapped because my three would last of us. What's your number one, buddy? My number one is the last of us. There we go. Dave, Dave called it Dave. wins the Lottery pot. And we know why. You just love tell she.

57:49 Yeah, yeah, I see. Now, Dave's number one, which You know what his One is yeah, okay. Yeah, what is it? What do I? Well Are you sure? Do I need to tell you? Don't we tell you what your number one is? Okay, yeah. I think it's Shaun of the Dead. I agree with that. Never heard of it. My number one is Shaun of the Dead. I gotta have you watch these, buddy. Yeah. It's the best. It's the perfect combination of all this stuff we've been talking about and just drop dead. Fantastic comedy. So yeah, the this the I don't know how many episodes of like this specifiers have we done? Maybe not a hundred, but like maybe if to I don't know. I would say around like 80 to 100, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. I bet Shaun of the Dead has been on like at least 50% of my list. It's getting old at this point. What's this about? He's going to tell you. It's a zombie. It's a zombie movie. It's just people are being infected. The dead are coming back. It's the traditional George Romero rules. You know, you kill them with a, with a,

59:01 force trauma to the head. They're coming back, but He is so self-centered and has lost his girlfriend, and his roommate is such a piece of shit lazy bastard that they don't even notice for a while. That's what's funny about it. I showed you this. It's click. He goes get coffee. Remember that? And then he's like, he's like walking by and getting coffee. They're walking right past him. He doesn't realize that there's nobody awake. Nobody's alive. The teller is dead behind the counter. He goes and he buys a soda. He slips at one point. He's slipping on blood. He doesn't even know. We gotta watch this. Yeah. It is good. And he is just this kind of pathetic dude. And this zombie apocalypse is his. Chance to be The guy, like be a hero and show his girlfriend and his mother and his stepfather. who, you know, that that he's he's got some reason to be on earth rather than just being. A lowly apathetic and terrible electronics salesman.

1:00:05 But this is them coming out of the bar. This is another case where they don't even know. They're drunk. They're coming out. And him and his buddy just drank. Um and they're coming out of the bar and they have no idea that there's zombie shit going on. [Music] What's he doing? To say bass or freeze, no idea. They don't know until the next morning. Which is great. Yeah. So do they think they're drunk?

1:01:14 He thinks that guy's drunk. He thinks that they're drunk. He's drunk. Those people are drunk. And the girl in the background were making that, but she was eating his neck. She's fighting his head off. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah. On the deck. Yeah, I have a statue that talks of him saying lines. He's got his cricket bat. Yeah. Yeah. So this. Was this their first team up? Him and Nick Frost and this guy? No, it didn't have stuff on TV. There's this TV show called Spaced. There's other stuff. Before this, but this was the first one where people were really like, Who are these guys? Yeah, and that's that led to other things. Yeah, he's in I think a Star Wars thing, I think. Nick Frost, isn't he? Is he a voice or something? No, he's in one of those new. He's the new uh Hagrid. And the new Harry Potter that he was in a Star Wars state, I think, to Nick Frost. They're a big Star Wars fan, so I wouldn't be surprised. Simon Pegg, he voiced Dengar on fucking um

1:02:17 The Clone Wars cartoon. And but he said something he was in Star Trek and he said, I'll never do Star Wars, blah, blah, blah. But then he did the voice, blah, blah. It's just, you know, people get pissed because what he says. whatever. That's I knew that we we knew that was your Shaun, your number one. Shaun of the Dead? Yes, yeah. But they didn't team up in other movies, though. Hot Fuzz Day, right? Is that what I want? So, yeah. But um yeah any umentis? Am I first? Yeah, the same order. I know I don't have m many and all. There's just so much I just Did you just unplug it, buddy? What you do? Do you just unplug your headphone? Is it in? Good. I don't know, I wouldn't. I have I don't mention I have um World War Z. I had Um 28 days later, all those movies. And I had a T V show which We watched it. I don't know why I liked it, but it was on the CW. iZombie. It was fun. And it was a cute show. She was like legend.

1:03:21 No, see? I am legend. Yeah. I I just there's so many. I just forget. I am legend is a monster. And I'll look Mm-hmm. There there's so many of them out there. I don't know. They're all just they're all blending together. I get Twenty eight days later the borns. Okay. iZombie. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Resident Evil. Yeah, mm-hmm. It's it's the same shit. iZombie was a fun show. It was a fun show. It was cute. And we like her now on on Ghosts. Yeah. So Dave? Doing a little mentions. Yeah, I I guess my questions, like, I mean, my I'm still with the Evil Dead thing, you know. whether or not that counts and you know for a lot of people they're probably like you're an asshole it doesn't count Uh uh I was thinking about I Am Legend. Are are they zombies? I don't know if they're zombies are they are they whatever um infecting too by I don't know. Yeah, because he's a scientist and he's trying to come up with the cure. And for, you know, I know that in the books, people were mad when that movie is fantastic.

1:04:24 It is fantastic, yes. People were mad that read the books because it was such a big deal because, in the books, they are clearly vampires. Called vampires. They are vampires. And then, when they got to the movie, they made them this. And I don't know what this is. So if that counts, that would change my list. The one that really, really changes my list the most. are the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Are they zombies? They are the undead. Yeah. Like, is Captain Barbosa and Davey Jones? Like, I mean, they become why they vampire the book. I don't know, that's a tell. The book was written. Um I think the zombies, if you're like half skeleton, half face. And you're walking around talking to giant dab, that's a zombie. Yeah, like, I don't know. They become like. Fish hybrid man hybrid zombies, which is cool. Everybody loves that shit. But if the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

1:05:28 Are zombie movies technically, then that's like Whole new The first Pirates of the Caribbean movie is right up there with Shaun of the Dead then. I love that so much. If they're undead. And a zombie is undead. So I, yeah. Yeah, are they ghosts? Are they zombies? I don't know what they are. So I didn't include it just because it's so convoluted, but that would change things. The actual things that are zombie things, there's another, I like the comedy, the zomcom. The Life After Beth is a really great movie to watch with Aubrey Plaza. Really funny. I will watch that, I think. I love Aubrey Plaza. I think I've saw that. She's hilarious in it. Uh and then death becomes her. Oh my god, yeah. They're zombies, right? Aren't they? God, it's been forever. Are these yeah, they're he's still alive, Bruce, right? It's those two? He's still alive. There is definitely a potion that Isabella Rossellini.

1:06:32 Them, you know, to become this ever-youthful kind of thing, but then they die. And then it becomes them being undead and trying to use him as a plastic surgeon. To make themselves look not dead. Goldie Hawn is like, she's dead, dead. And he like paints her. He does like a basically what you would do to a corpse for a funeral home. Is he a plastic surgeon or is he an undertaker? It's been forever, Dave. I don't know. Either way, he's using his skills. And then that's what, because they're both fighting over him because he used to be like handsome and cool. And now he's just this really like. Terrible, yeah, like just like terribly unattractive guy in every way, right? Uh, really funny. I remember liking that a lot. Return of the Living Dead, which I think we talked about at some point on something. The comedy, more infused, not a sequel to the Night of the Living Dead movies, but very funny. And that's the Tarman, which is one of my favorite all-time zombie movies.

1:07:34 Incantations like the more brains, tar man that's really great, and one that There's a lot of Um Korean zombie movies, Japanese zombie movies. My favorite one is called Alive. It came out in 2000. And it's really just one guy in a high rise, like a ta a skyscraper. And him staying alive. Like in this building. Really good. I think it's on Netflix. Not the alive where the airplane goes down and the internet. Not that alive. This is 2000s alive. But like train to Busan would be another. Honorable mention, some of that stuff is really, really great. What are you a more like. A lot of movies. What are you more afraid of? Zombies who can fucking do track and run at you. Or the slow motion zombies that you can say, oh my god, a zombie coming, all right, let's walk, let's cross the street. The runners. Yeah. P people actually actually make videos uh about this.

1:08:35 About what? Which one is which one that they could survive? Oh, like walk like the walk of dead people, they grab them by the head, they stab them in in their in their head and they die. The ones that like the World War Z zombies? Yeah. Forget it. Forget it. Yeah, yeah, forget it. That's that scene at the beginning of 28 weeks later. Where they're chasing Robert Carlyle. Over the plains, and he gets to that boat. He has to run to that boat because it's like, well, if I'm in a boat, at least I'm safe in water. And they're just catching him, and you're like, oh my God. And it's this big sweeping Danny Boyle shot. And it's like, this is, this is like gorgeous and beautiful and terrifying. Yeah. Isn't there a Walking episode where, like, zombies, I guess, don't drown. They can't swim. but they can walk underwater. And stay alive and just walk underwater because they're already dead. Yeah, like pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't want one that's that's like that's like like slow. Then I'll just, you know, I'll walk, I'll walk around him. You know what I mean? Yeah.

1:09:41 Dave. If a zombie apocalypse ever happened, what what would be your your plan? Plan, yeah. We always say that we have a plan here, so we have a zombie apocalyptic plan in this house. plan would be to get his Many Uh canned goods. and seeds. as I could get. To start with. That's a good that's a good good plan. And some kind of water filter. You know what I mean? Like, if it was like, okay, this is going to happen, I would, I would need. I would I would need those things, right? Because it's like you can the can goods will hold you. A while and they're not going to go back. Would you stay in your house? Yeah, would you live in your house? Um no. No no. I think it'd be too easy to get into. Dave's smart. We didn't think about the cane goods and the water. We have a place. If a zombie apocalypse happens, we all, we all, you know how people have, if there's a fire in your house, meet here?

1:10:42 Yeah. We have, I have a rule and I think, and I might blame this on Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker. We need the high ground. Okay. Do you want to go up to the school up the road path and go up on the roof? And that one round circle area rooftop that You can see what's coming at you. And nobody else can get up there because you can pull up the ladder. You need to see. Coming at you. But yes. But it's us, that's us dangerous because what if another person sees you and comes and tries tries to take your shit? We'll see them coming because we have the high ground. That's what becomes more dangerous. And I like that. Luke's point in these movies where, like, at some point. Someone's coming for you. A real person is going to want to take what you have. Right. At some point, your biggest... Problem is not the zombies. It's the other people. It hits each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I g a school would be good. I guess honestly, I would try to probably Live at the grocery store.

1:11:45 You raised me. That's ideal. If you It's got all the food that you're going to need for a very long time. And at the grocery store, they also have means to cook it. you know, at least for a little while. And if not, you build a fire. But you know everyone's gonna be Going there. You're not going to be the only person who's going to go there. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, that's like the mist. That's not a zombie movie. That's a alien movie. I think you should, like, since you live right across from that hospital area, you should go up there. They have food in there. You should go up on that rooftop. But that's a big rooftop. I want a small rooftop. I wanna they they've got good to the high school. Yo, that's a big rooftop. I want that small, that round building in the school up the road here is the round rooftop. And we saw kids up there years ago. Remember, they climbed up there and they were like, look at us. I want to be in a little round circle. Like, so nobody, I know that's my little house, my little spot. I love it, it rains on a certain snow. Then you go inside. Yeah. Yeah. But it's. I'm scared. Well, in dawn of the day, they go on the roof of the mall and they just like.

1:12:48 You know, can see everybody and they're all outside. And then they start, there's a funny scene in the 2004 dawn out there where they just start shooting. Boar. who look like celebrities. Remember that and there's like that guy looks like Jay Leno blows it off. And then there's a guy, Ving Rhames is playing chess with a guy on another roof. Do you remember that? And he's holding up the sign, like Ponder Rook 4. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. So the roof thing is. Legit. I don't want to be high- you need you need high ground. I don't want to go like in the basement because there's no way out. I don't want to trap myself in anywhere. No, no basement. Yeah. Yeah, that you can't get out. Do you think you could outrun a zombie? Well, it depends. Is it a World War Z or is it the Walking Dead? I couldn't outrun a turtle. Or what if the turret you affected from last month? Bloaters clickers. The bloaters are are they're fat and they're slow. But that's the thing, you gotta be quiet. And we just said. Mom said this did the other day, which sucks.

1:13:50 If something happens. We have to kill our dog now. dog would give us away. You know what I mean? We have to take the dog's life. We have to put a bullet in the dog's head. So we can survive. Yeah, that would be a great scene in the movie. When you like, because it's like, oh, they're gonna, they're gonna have to do it. Like, yeah, there's an episode of MASH where, um, being They're on a bus with a bunch of uh like uh uh refugees. And the North Koreans are coming in. And there's a crying baby on the bus and Hawkeye's yelling at the lady leak. baby's sh like baby's gonna get the bell and the lady kills her baby. This is like a merit, this is a sitcom from the 70s. Yeah. Because the baby's going to give them away. Yeah. That's the thing. Like the chewbarks at everything, at the birds and the bees. You know what I mean? We can't. We had to take his life. And then I said I wouldn't shoot it. I would just Choke it. You know what I mean? I can't put a bullet in that, but I'll I'll

1:14:52 Choke it out until it's a little bit more legend. Does he kill his dog? Yeah, that's a that is a really Horrible and sad part of that movie. Remember, the dog gets infected. And then he takes the dog home and he's like, he's trying to like treat the dog, but it's his only friend. And then he's like, He's just waiting and he knows that the dog's going to turn. And he's just kind of sitting there on the floor with the dog in the kitchen. And then the dog is like, He's he's looking at the dog's eyes and they're and the gums and they're starting to like change and he's and the and he's like he waits till the last second and the dog kind of goes like chokes it out. That there's a sequel in the works. Yeah, there's been forever. With Michael B. Jordan, and and and Will Smith. And and Will Smith. Maybe he'd slide each other. I don't know. Money is on Michael B. Sure. He is Creed. Corey Feldman could survive uh a zombie apocalypse? I think he's a zombie. He would entertain them so much with his music that they would just stop.

1:15:56 They would start dancing'cause you know what? They all the zombies saw him, they would hey. That's Michael Jackson. And then they would just dance behind him. Yeah. Come back, King. Don't you worry about Corey? He can take care of himself here, okay. Well, I guess is that it? Is that is that our list? Or our zombie ish lists? Didn't know undead list, I guess. Well How do you enjoyed? Yeah. It was good. It was good. It just, you know. idiots talking about, you know. zombie stuff. Yeah. But, um Resident Evil's out this weekend. Either see it, you know, and then listen to this or vice versa. But either way, I hope you're alive. Listen to the tits episode, and we'll see you next time on. Best of Fives. Fair ninety ninety ninth.

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0:02 To Indiana Jones in Character, the podcast that takes a closer look at the artifacts that make up the world of Indiana Jones. Backstories, histories, and details about some of our favorite characters. And now, here are this week's hosts of Indiana Jones in Character. Hello, welcome to Indiana Jones in Character. You heard it correct. You you heard it here first. Correct. And Luke is joining us as well. Luke is here because we just did something else and he doesn't leave. So he's here just to eavesdrop. He just like sits there, like audience of one. Audience of one. You're right. Our star, our live studio audience of one. Yes, they've had this idea and I think it's a brilliant idea. He you texted me something. A while ago. Hey, did you watch? We actually do an episode. By the Indiana Jones and the Ashes of Nurhachi. And you said, Have you seen this? And I go,

1:03 What the fuck is that? I didn't even know what you were saying. Yeah, it came out like two weeks ago. Yeah. And then I googled it and I watched it and I said, and you said we could do an episode that said, done. It's the AI version of Indiana Jones. I think it's worth talking about because it is very interesting. Good things here, some not so good things here. But like, I was interested in your overall impression. And then I also would like to talk if. If we Can if you not to get super serious, but I also think we should talk as to whether or not movies like this should even be made. Yeah, like isn't this like what AI is taking over the world? They're saying by the end of the decade. They have to wipe out humanity. Skynet's going to happen. Well, I don't believe that. There are other Um debate topics that come up with these AI movies. As to the ecological

2:04 um affect the data centers and and AI has and taking its toll on the planet. Aside from data centers. Was my buddy? The data centers. Isn't it like there's these four big billionaires that are making all this stuff? Well, I mean, this is it's a hot topic now. Yeah. And and whether or not also these movies should be made people's likenesses without their consent. I am, I am torn with. Like, I will say this: there's been two new. Superman. AIs just released that I watched one with him and Supergirl Helen Slater comes back. To his farm, and one is with him visiting his mother. And it's Christopher Reeve. In both of these, I will say this: I don't It's like those old in the 90s when you went to cons and there's like fan-made videos of superheroes. Like it was just people making like their fan thing. I don't mind little clips, like a five-minute thing or less. Just something.

3:12 That comes out there. A two-hour movie like this Indiana Jones thing, or maybe another Superman thing. I don't think I would like that. I don't mind little. It's too long, and after a while, I'm like, this is like little fan love towards something. I guess I don't mind. Well, that's what this is, honestly. Yeah. This is made by people called Lord Skiff. An aesthetic rebel. Now, this Lord Skiff, I look on their page and I'm seeing all this on YouTube. So, if you don't know what we're talking about, there is a prequel to the prequel of Indiana Jones called Indiana Jones and the Ashes of Nurhachi. It came out like two weeks ago. It's got, at this point, 281,000 views. And it is the These people's fan film, and there's a disclaimer even at the beginning of the video saying That they Have no rights to anything to anything Disney Lucas film, but it is made by fans for fans.

4:15 and fills in some of the gaps as to what is happening before. The stuff we see in Indiana Jones. and the Temple of Doom. Yes. And it's it was fun to watch. Like it was really entertaining. Like, and like you said, some stuff like lines up, they explain the little gap. And other things I'm like, why? I just shake my head. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I thought it was worth talking about. So if you haven't If you listen to the show and you haven't seen it yet, maybe it would be best if you Um are not anti-AI. And would Would support something AI made even by just watching it. It is on YouTube. So maybe watch that and then listen to our discussion because we are going to kind of talk about some of the things in this video. It is, how long is it? It's 24 minutes long. So it is not, you know, like the full two-hour length movie thing that you're talking about. but more of a short fan film.

5:18 Mm right. So whatever you think about that stuff is 100% your entitled. response to any of these things and we support that. We're just saying that this is a video that's out that we did watch, and it's worth talking about. Why isn't there any any AI sex things made yet, D? I'm sure there are. I mean, I don't know. If anybody was going to know where to find those, it would be you. Why are you asking me? Well, guess what? I'm going to start searching during this episode. If you're going to go, oh my God, then you know why. Yeah, right. You're gonna find some like Teri Hatcher, Dean Cain kinda I would watch that. Every night. We'll never see you again. No, no, this is my last podcast. This is it. You're giving up on life if you find that. Yep. Done. Well, this thing is, like we said, Indiana Jones Temple of Doom certainly a prequel to everything. This is a prequel to that prequel setting up. That very first scene at Club Obi-Wan taking place in China in 1935.

6:25 And they even do the mountain fade in. Like they do in the Indiana Jones. And it was fantastic. It was it was cute. Yeah. 'Cause it starts with the Paramount logo. Which they also don't have the rights to. But I think there must be a thing. These people obviously know what they're doing. If you say, this is a fan film, I don't own any of these things. I'm not making any money off of this. You can do stuff like this. You know what I mean? Like, that's, as long as you say, I don't own any of these rights, you can do anything you want. I don't know. I think you can do stuff that you want as long as you're not charging people. Hear me out. What if they did, like, you know, we don't own the rights to Indiana Jones, but then they make a video of Indiana Jones like getting. chopped up in little pieces and mailed to his family. Like, that's, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah. Can they do that? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And then eventually, like what's happening with Mickey Mouse, Winnie the Pooh, and Popeye, and soon to be Batman. And Superman.

7:26 Once that Contract runs out, the copyright runs out, then you can make and do whatever you want to do and charge for it. And not be sued by anyone above, right? I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. At some point, it belongs losing the rights to Batman. There's a rule. Like, we're so many years in the contract. I don't know what it is. Like, it's only a couple of more years. Can we renew the contract? No. No. No. In like three years, any single person will be able to make. Any kind of Batman uh entertainment that they want. Mm-hmm. They can't be sued. They can't do anything about it. That's what, and the first thing that always happens is horror. There's a horror movie. It's like Mickey Mouse is free. Okay, well, there's Screamboat Willie. I've watched a couple of these Mickey Mouse horror movies. Yeah. Winnie the Pooh is free. Okay, let's have him kill and eat people. Okay, that is the first thing that's going to happen with Batman. It's gonna be a Batman horror movie. Would you like that?

8:28 Yeah, I think it'd be fun to watch. It's it's not not my Batman. You know what I mean? That's two man horror movie? Yes. I well, they made Brightburn is kind of that, but if they made National Superman in his outfit doing horrible shit, it'll be like the boys. It'll be like the boys. Yeah. But instead of instead of what's his name? Homelander, yeah. Instead of Homelander, it'll actually be Superman though. Or the Christopher Reeve. Killing people. Yeah. I want to see Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, George Reeves, Tom Welling, everyone just team, Henry Cavill, just team up. Well, unlike any of that, that's what we're talking about. This Ashes of Nurhachi is very respectful and true to the spirit of Indiana Jones. It really is. It felt like It felt like like an actual like it made me like The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles back in the day. It felt kind of like We're respecting for what it is with little puns here and there because we're fans of the franchise. Yeah. And it starts with this chase on top of the Great Wall of China with Harrison Ford, not Harrison Ford.

9:31 And David Yip, not David Yip, in the sidecar of a motorcycle being chased. uh on by people on horseback. It's exciting to watch. It was classic Indiana Jones opening. Like, like the big opening of Indiana Jones film is like something that's cool to watch. And it was really. It looked Really good until the camera zooms in and you see the mouth speaking or the bodies don't line up. But it was fun to watch. I was hooked. Yeah. Actually, we, when you sent me this, I'm like, what is this crap? I started watching on my phone. I was like, Oh my God, this is fun. I said I gotta watch this on the actual T V. You gave it the big screen. Damn it. I watched it on the big on the big screen on h on the T V set, yeah. It's the kind of thing where I don't know anything about making these things. Obviously, these folks. Yeah. Did it's not, it's just like AI isn't just going to make this. You have to like tell it exactly what to do. So these folks at Lord Skiff, Aesthetic Rebel.

10:32 Wrote all this stuff, I'm sure, because there are very specific details in this that explain things not only in the Indiana Jones, but there are jokes. Star Wars jokes, there's a Blade Runner joke. There are things in this that they had to have. programmed. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you is this how it works? You tell you everything, then it sends you all this at once or do you do pieces? I don't I've never done, I mean, I used AI at work to do certain things for me. And I just know that the more information you give it, the better your result will be. If I said Write me a letter about this. you know, for work. It'll write me a letter. It's not going to know specifically what I'm talking about. But if I go, write me a letter that talks about these topics and this person specifically who has these characteristics that I want to celebrate and congratulate and da-da-da-da-da, then my letter is going to come out and I'm going to look at it and say, this looks like I wrote it. Do you is this? I wish I could make stuff like this. Well, you probably could if you just look into them. Do you think they'll.

11:38 This is used, you're done school. Everyone's done school in our lives. Like, do people use this to print up their term papers? I would say. Although there are now. Because this is another side business. In fact, if I was into investing, this is one thing I would invest in. There is another side business. is creating uh software that is an AI detector. So if you're a college professor, you run every one of your papers that you're receiving through the AI detector. And it's like barr barr this was not written by a human being. Yeah. Okay. You fail. You know what I mean? So it's like AI checking AI. Man. James Cameron was right. people use this do their homework. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and even think about that. They bring it home and they ask, yeah, AI, what's, you know, but the di-de-de-da-da-da. They don't have to think about it. They could just, holy shit.

12:40 Yeah. I didn't even I didn't didn't even think of that. Yeah. And there are certainly people that get upset about the amount of water that's being used to create AI because these servers have to be cooled. There are now companies that I see are taking that into consideration and saying we are doing this, but we have found a way to subvert the amount of water that's used and da da da, you know, so like I think this is gonna get better and better as things go on. Do you think people are going to take advantage of it? And that's why it's going to be the end of the world soon? I don't think it's going to be the end of the world. But um There's there are people that are very against. Using AI at all. Let alone for something as silly as this. Right. But it is a form of entertainment. Is it the same as Spielberg and the amount of heart and soul that goes into it? I don't think a computer can't recreate that. Because one of the things about this is there, there is dialogue. It's Harrison Ford's voice. Yeah. There is no emotion whatsoever in this. It's it's it is creepy in a way as well because uh it is devoid of the emotion of a human being, but it's technically doing what it's supposed to do. You know what I mean? It is, but you see there's no emotion when he says something, there's no feeling or emotions behind it. It's not they

13:59 Did there They're robots. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it's creepy in a way. Um The there are times in this, if you're watching this and looking for perfection, you're not going to get it. Because there are times when Um Physics and perspective is off. There's like a time, there are times that he's walking and he walks off of something. Now he's kind of in midair, you know, like that kind of shit happens like a glitch. It's very glitchy. There's glitches in video games. It's like, it's very much that. There are times that he's talking and either his mouth isn't saying what he's saying, or at times his mouth isn't moving at all, but words are coming out of his face. Right. Like the opening chase scene, yeah, when it's going off the Great Wall of China, there's like steps or whatever, and it's not even hopping off the steps or it's not even bouncing. Yeah, it's little things. You're not going to get. you're not gonna get perfection like you were obviously if you were Shooting this because you'll sit like something will happen to you, man. Man, that looks great. And then four seconds later, go, that looks like shit. Yeah, yeah.

15:04 But I don't know. Is it still entertaining? I'm reading the comments on the This on the Facebook, or not Facebook, the YouTube page. And I was expecting. You know, kind of old curmudgeonly, like people to say, this should never happen. It's not the same. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing a lot of people saying thank you for making this. It's for the fans, by the fans. We know it's not perfect. It's entertaining. I've wondered about some of those things that you're filling in gaps for that they don't have the right to fill in the gaps for, but they're doing it pretty well. It's like, you know, like the extended universe stuff that we used to talk about on Star Wars and Characters. You know what's weird? This is exactly what this AI is: it's extended universe. It's the books that you can watch. Yeah, Dave, you're exactly right. So I like that kind of stuff because sometimes Your everyday person that's a dedicated fan who has spent a lot of time thinking about this has better reasons for the filmmakers and the owners owners of these things than themselves. You know what I mean? You're right. And I kind of want to.

16:11 I kinda want more of this stuff, like like all the shit that that we love, like someone's whatever storytelling of what they think. how something got there or how it happened. Yeah. That is it's I have nothing against this as long as it doesn't Kill me during the night. That's all you care about. I don't want to be seeing the end of skeletons running down the street. I don't want to see Robert Patrick ring my doorbell and ask me if I've seen this boy. I don't want that. Telling you how much he likes your bike. Exactly. Don't get a bike then. Say that's a nice bike. I don't have a bike. That's next door. Okay. Thanks for watching. The funny thing about I've taken for my work, I've taken a couple of workshops about using AI. you know, m not not just make our work easier, but You know, use y it is a tool that you can Used to make things better in some cases. I'm not talking about necessarily making an Indiana Jones movie, but I'm talking about.

17:12 The real world. Right, right. And I've gone to a few of them, and I heard something at one of these that did actually frighten me. And I don't know if this is going to make you feel better or not. So if you ask AI something. Uh it will always give you an answer. If it doesn't know the answer by instantly searching the volumes of the internet, that's what it does. It's just like, boom. If you ask it, like, who did this and what year? And what did you do? Yeah, that's easy to find. Yeah. If it doesn't know the answer, it will make up an answer because the AI wants to please you. What if I say, like, what's the meaning of life? Is there a God? Like, it'll give me an answer. Or it'll say some people think this, some people think that. But the words that they used that scared me in this is what when it does that, when the AI is Coming up with an answer to please you is that is called the AI hallucinating.

18:14 So even they don't know what they're saying. The AI is hallucinating. point. And to me, that is a very human thing to think of like, you know, like it's, it's hallucinating. What do you mean it's hallucinating? Does that mean it's like it's got a brain and it's hallucinating? No, that scared me. Skynet. Well hear me please. Hear me, I'm see, I'm trying to think, where do you go? Like where do you like if I want to do something right now, is there an is there an an AI app? Like do you goog like where do you find the AI to do this shit? GPT to make pictures, right? Gemini. No. You think of me. You could go right now, like say you wanted to get in shape and you go to Gemini. And you say, Gemini, I'm a 53-year-old man. I weigh this and I do this for a living, and I don't have a lot of time to exercise. Write me a diet and exercise plan that fits my lifestyle. And in You will have that. I'm tempted now. You should you shouldn't do that. But has it no like

19:17 I don't know. I'm scared. I am just scared of the response and the answers. Like, if I can, you know, make me and Chris Sharif fly together and we'll do it. But I'm just scared of like real people looking for real shit on the real world. You know what I mean? You know, each year AI is gonna get better and better. Yes. Absolutely. That's my, I'm sorry. I think, I don't, I think that, I think sooner or later, this is, this is, this will, maybe not end the world, it's gonna fuck it up. Yeah. Well I didn't mean to I didn't mean to scare you. By bringing this up. But I was going down to the school. I'm getting high ground. Yeah, right. And I'm waiting for the robots. What about in this video? How did you feel about some of the humor? Because there are jokes in it. Some of the jokes, what do you think? It's not saying I only watched this once and I wanted to watch it again. There's some humor. There's something when they crash through to like to like a hot To like a sauna, so yeah, all these growing Asian men that they're just on there, and he says they were plumbers or something that stupid.

20:21 I don't think my Indiana Jones would Would joke that kind of way when he barges in. I don't know. Some humor was kind of lean. A one line like in these one line is like one little word or two. All this says solo. He says yeah, because his name's Wu Han Solo. He works solo. It's just stupid puns. But it's the fan it's the fans who did that. Yeah. I kinda like some of the jokes. I don't mind even the well, okay, so. The thing you're talking about is they're trapped. They have to burst through a wall and they burst through into this kind of like Chinese bathhouse. There's a bunch of little. There's a bunch of little men there. Old men and they're old men. And they're all like yelling and screaming, and their newspapers are all wet in the water. And uh Indy says something like, we're plumbing inspectors. Yeah. And they're just yelling at him. And then there's a throwback to Raiders because he goes, large leak, very dangerous.

21:23 Oh, I didn't put that together. So he's doing like, you know, the Sallah line with the snakes. I didn't put that together and even when you said but when you what did he say again? Plumbers were plumbing inspectors, yeah. And that kind of sounds like: are you a teacher part-time? Like that kind of thing? Yeah. I think some of the stuff leads, whereas some of it doesn't. And the one that you're talking about is the Biggest Star Wars reference is pretty terrible because one of the other things I really like about this is we did an episode on Wu Han. So if you're just finding this show, I say this all the time, go back and listen to our old episodes where we actually talk about the characters because I am very proud of some of the past work we've done. I'm not saying I'm proud of this, but the Wu Han episode was one of my favorite episodes that we did because he was so mysterious. Who is this guy? And he's working with Indy and Indy obviously cares about him. And he gets shot, and it's like, who is this guy? Right. And I honestly, I actually compared to Indiana Jones.

22:28 Body and physique, and everything. And then in Temple of Doom, he's like, we went on many adventures. This time I go, I go first. I'm thinking, How did you go on with Indiana Jones? How did you help Indy do something? Right. And that's kind of a spleen, a little mission that they did together. Yeah. It is. At least, this is the last thing. That they've done together. Who knows what came before? But they set this up a lot in this story where Indy is saying, Um have to go down a hole. They're going to find Nurhachi's ashes. And uh And he's like You go first, Indy. And he's like, Well, you always say that, or something like that. So, yes, setting up. And then at they get to the bottom, he says something like, next time I'll go first. So when he says that line then in Temple of Doom, you're like, okay, well, these guys set this up. You know? Right. Um it was a great Call back to remind you about something. But then when he says, I did go for it, I worked Han Solo, I'm like, you know, where's the dumb rim shot? You know what I mean? That is the dumbest part of the entire thing. I will say that. Because I do, the thing I was going to say is, I really like.

23:42 That they give Wu Han a real purpose. Wu Han has a, in this movie slash, Short video. He kicks some ass. He does. For being someone, I'm like, what does this guy do? He's holding a platter in Temple of Doom. What's he doing? They set him up as definitely a worthy sidekick. Of Indiana Jones. And there is A scene where they're separately fighting people and they have Harrison Fordish. Um yell out. Tell me you don't need me. Wu Han, tell me you don't need me because they're both fighting. He's worried about him in this story. Right. And he's like, and then he kicks the guy's ass and he says, I don't need you. I am Wu Han Solo, yeah, and the camera, which honestly, there is no camera because it's all no camera, yeah. The camera zooms into that, so you feel the punness dumb, it's dumb. That's dumb, it is dumb, it is dumb, but then but then you see.

24:45 Short Round, which was, I think, adorable. But then there's times the Short Round did not look like Short Round. Yeah, and Short Round and Wu Han see each other and hug. and Indy and Short Round see each other and hug and it's like, okay. They're a little unit. They're a little family. You know, I like where they're going with this. I love that all of the bad guys are Al Leong from Uh lethal weapon and die hard. Uh yeah, yeah, they were even I even told Looked at, I said, This is this is the bad guy. These are the villains from like other great 80s action movies of mine. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kinda like he's a oompa lumpa. Like Every single person has his face and looks like him. Right. But who doesn't love him that's our age, either torturing Martin Riggs or eating a candy bar out of the concession stand and die hard before they, you know. shoot at the agents and that was that was the great thing the agents was he was in in every he was a villain in every action film and and then i see him now he's he's just an old agent man but still in all he kicks ass like in these movies and stuff you know what i mean yeah

25:57 After the whole scene with the um Ashes, they the ashes they don't get the ashes necessarily, but they find an escape route. It's uh you know there there's we certainly have snakes. We have rats. We have ants. And in this they go with slugs. Yeah, which I wasn't very I guess it was creeper for them to walk through to crawl through it and stuff and everything. Yeah. I like that. It wasn't really. you know, I wasn't I guess I'm not afraid of slugs, but I guess But it was that many. It was a million of them, yeah. Yeah. And that's those scenes work pretty well with me, too, because I think that that's something that the AI probably. It didn't need to be like a famous slug. It just needed to be a slug. So they can do that pretty easily. And there was, they had gas masks on at that point, and they weren't talking. And you couldn't see their mouths necessarily. That was like a good way to cheat. Yes, that is a benefit. Cause I think even with the Star Wars, when they had.

27:02 Peter Cushing's family gave them permission to resurrect him digitally. And it looked and carried. Yeah. Yeah, and it looked really great until he talked. Yeah, yeah. Even the with even Mandalorian, didn't they do that with young Mark Hamill, Luke Skywalker? Looks like from a distance. Yeah, have him fight, have him do his thing, but as soon as he opens his mouth, the the getting the mouth with the words is not There yet with this. But you're right. It's emotion. When you talk a certain way, your eyebrows, your cheeks, your face moves to certain words and emotions and feelings. Yeah. And they can't match it up yet. But don't worry. They were but in the Planet of the Apes movies you can feel the emotions. That is true. Those are masks that are connected to their real jaw. Um Yeah. Yeah, all the dots will go with your face. When Andy Serkis farts, you can tell he's farting because his cheekbones go up a little bit. Rip. Huh?

28:10 I like the the brief Sallah scene even though nothing he says matches his mouth. The thing that made me laugh in this, because I watched it again this morning, is I Sallah has another brother-in-law. I like this joke that you imagine Sallah has brothers-in-law. Everywhere. And they all are a connection to something because that's what happens in Last Crusade with the camels. I see camels, you know. It says, my brother-in-law, you know, like so in this, he's like, he's like, Sal, I need a connection to antiquities in China. My brother-in-law, he sells carpets. You know, it doesn't matter. No, like a brother-in-law means that is his sister's husband, right? Right. Yes. Yeah. So which means like didn't Sallah Have like 10 kids. Million kids, yeah. Okay. And so, which means that he came from a family who probably has like 15 kids, 20 kids, and when he has like. 12 sisters. Sure. So he does have a huge fucking family to pick from. I love that. When I watch that, and when I watch this, and I listen to him on the phone and he mentions his brother-in-law, it makes me smile. You can tell that these people are fans, like they said, by fans, for fans. They are injecting fan fiction into something that we can see.

29:30 And you're right, this is this is the EU in the books now, which When when you put it that way... I love it. I really do. I really love seeing I want to see more of my childhood franchises that I love. I want to see Riggs and his youth kicking ass, you know, in the fucking war or something. You know what I mean? They could 100% make Martin Riggs. Vietnam War. Movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't, but why, why do I feel I don't want a two hour movie in the theater. Make me a fifteen, twenty minute little fan film thing? And I I'll love it. Why do I have That's where I draw the line. Two hours, no. 20 minutes, yes. Well, the other, I mean, maybe you get tired of watching something that you know isn't real. Although you do that when you watch. Um Yeah. Instead of like a fan film, they could do like a like a mini series. Like eight episodes. Oh, don't do this to me. Well the other the other I watch all that.

30:33 The other thing about this that would say is a controversial topic. If this keeps getting better and you keep doing this, actors are done. Yeah, right. There's no need for them. But You would think, I don't know, like, can they use Like this is just fan films, there there's no like if you wanna make something with Harrison Ford as young Indiana Jones a two-hour movie. And he's alive still, you gotta ask permission, right? And then you have then he'll get paid for his likeness and his voice and everything, but he doesn't have to do all the work now. Like, if you're charging, yeah, for right. For that. I mean, that's the deal that he just made with Disney for this new ride that's going to be in. You know, like they're going to use his You know, whatever you call that body capture, he's the model. And for the first time, I'm the model. So this is this is an AI version of him. It's a robot. Like, do you think that he's getting paid because people are paying him to see it?

31:37 To sell his voice? He did, he sold his voice. But in the opening of this new the Indiana Jones and whatever, the the Dial of Destiny. They EI'd Harrison's face on A young actor, isn't that the same thing? Isn't that AI? Yeah, but that's all that's that's a deal that was brokered. Younger. Was it Harris? It was his, it wasn't his body running around on that train. I think maybe at times it was, but some of that shit, obviously, it wasn't him. Yeah. That's a deal that was brokered between the movie studio, him, you know, the creators. Like, that is like a big-time business deal. This thing that we're watching on YouTube. Is a couple of guys. In a In a basement, in their mom's basement. Well, I mean, these people, I've looked at some of the other things they've done. What other shit have they done? Have you done it in the movies? They've done other Indiana Jones things. There is a thing called The Adventures of Short Round. That you can watch. We gotta watch that one. It's Short Round is maybe a 20-something year old. And it really looks like a combination of what.

32:44 Ke Huy Quan looks like now versus a little bit of Jackie Chan. And in the first one, there's a couple of them. In the first one, I think they use Jackie Chan's voice. But in the other one, there's one called this one about. Um Mutt Williams. Having not died. And Short Round rescues him from some kind of prison camp. And it's Shia LaBeouf. Then running around with the 25-year-old Ke Huy Quan. That is that's these are This is better. I will say this. This is better for me because I don't want to read. I love this shit because I can watch this stuff and not read about it. You don't want to read. I don't want to read. Like, I would love to see this. I don't want to read it and make my own image. I want someone to do all the work for me. Yeah. Yeah, I'll show you the I know that people can't see my screen, but there's one called The Lost Sun. It's uh a Dial of Destiny era.

33:47 movie. It's only six minutes and 37 seconds. of Short Round meeting Mutt Williams and rescuing him. And he still has, I see you, your little image, he still wearing his baseball hats. He still wears the baseball hat. Just to tell us that Short Round, just not a short anymore. But it also looks like him. And in that one, I did watch that one. It's it's Quan's voice. It's not this Jackie Chan thing. There's a James Bond one here. I watched a little bit of that. It's. It's Sean Connery fighting Jaws. Bullet for Tomorrow? It's a double. Bullet for Tomorrow. It's Sean Connery and a Bullet for Tomorrow. It's got 147 42,000 views. It's him. Fighting Jaws and Blofeld. I mean I gotta watch these. Like, this is fun. This is fun. Red. And and I'm just

34:55 I am so ama like sometimes I'm like it's scary'cause I'm like that looks like Sean Connery and that looks like Richard Kiel it it looks It's amazing that it looks so real, even though you tell yourself this isn't real. And there might be people listening to this that have known about this kind of stuff for a long time. And they'll think about it. We're just figuring out. Where have these guys been? This is like a thing. We now know that and we're deciding whether or not we like it, I guess. Basically, there's another thing in the Ashes of Nurhachi that I really Got it, got me like to definitely like not just smaba go, like, well done. And his contact, Sallah's contact when he gets to Shanghai to get the ashes. is Victor Wong. Who is the guy? He's in everything too. He's in all John Carpenter's movies. He's in Big Trouble in Little China. He's egg shape. I know. Yeah. I know exactly what he's talking about. Yep. So they did a good job of getting that era's actors to play these parts.

35:57 Right, rather than tossing in Ryan Gosling today or something. Right. Yeah. Or just some random person. It's like, oh, that's Victor Wong. But it's not Victor Wong. I know. You just have to keep reminding yourself, it's not Victor Wong. Did you like the Jaws reference? Yeah, the Was it Smally Summitch? Yeah, they're in one of those tuk-tuks that they have in Dial of Destiny. There's a plane. I mean, some of the things in this, it's like this plane. Like, just easily killing them. It misses every time. The same with the Great Wall. They're like, the horses are. Basically, right behind them, shooting at them and missing. You got to let all that go. I did say that too. I said these people have some horrible shots. And then he and then he shoots one time and shoots a guy off. Yeah. Smiling. Son of a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I did. I turned on the goes like, oh boy. You know what I mean? But, you know, I'm not going to turn it off. You know what I mean? Now. The thing that I thought was the best about this setting up

37:00 right before Temple of Doom was the stuff with Lao Che's son. So all we know from the original movie is he goes to make the deal for the diamond. And Indy says something like Um Somebody broke into my hotel room last night. I think it might have been your son, you know, and he's sitting across the table with a broken arm. Yes, it shows you what happened. You get to see him come into the hotel room. He's trying to steal it and Indy break his arm. Yeah, it connects the dots. Yeah, it connects the dots perfectly. Yeah. And there's something about At the end of this, you see like Short Round outside, and you see I'm such a connery because when Harrison Ford comes wearing that white suit, it always is a callback to Dr. No. Yeah. And then he walks into Obi-Wan and it's like That's where Temple of Doom starts. I want to watch Temple of Doom now, kind of. You know what I mean? Right, to lead right into it. Yeah, they kind of go together, they go together and they separate, and there's a lady outside that's like a fortune teller.

38:03 And she says something about how one of them isn't going to come back. And he says something like, Dr. Jones always comes back, and she's like, I'm not talking about him. Yeah. And then I'm like, who's going to die? Then I realized oh, I've seen 10 won't do it. And I even like the way they ended. It's almost like a back to the future kind of thing because it says, to be continued in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. And that's the way it ends. I have nothing against it if it's Something I like to watch, I guess, you know what I mean? Like, it's fun seeing other people's ideas of what would could happen. Yeah. But. Taking actors' placements like, you know, five, 10 years from now, no more acting, no more actors. It's like, I don't know how I feel about that. I want to see the emotion and the heart that actors bring that some. Robot. You know what I mean? Yeah, I hear you. It's a slippery slope.

39:04 I don't think that these machines are ever going to uh obviously be able to Do. What a human being can do. As far as a performance and things like that. So I don't know if we need to worry about that necessarily, but uh I I agree with you, I think that this has a place. I don't know what place it is yet. Yeah, it has a place right over here on the corner shelf that I don't mind it if it just stays there. Yeah. But I did have fun watching it. Kind of blast. I mean, who am I? If I start criticizing it, criticizing it or am I criticizing myself for liking it? You know what I mean? So I don't necessarily know where I stand either on any of these things. I think it's a good thing to. Maybe revisit and come back to for yourself. I'm not saying on this show. Uh I applaud these folks. What other ones would you like to shake? Anything. Like I told you, there's that new Superman and his mom. His mom is telling him how you can become another person, like how you become Clark Kent.

40:06 and try your hair like this, stand up straight or do this, do that. And I'm like That's sweet. Like anything. Any like I would like to see what what um Brody and Hooper do. Yeah. After they swim back to the shore. I don't know, like just a little side stories. The threesome with Mrs. Brody. That's yeah, that happens in the book. Anything. I guess anything. I wouldn't. Like, Rambo, but I know they're making a Rambo movie. Yeah. Like a younger Rambo. Like, anything. Anything that. The what just came out. I saved your ass. It was a movie that just came out. I saved your ass. It was Spider-Man and the Punisher, he's telling stories I I was there for you in in Brooklyn and no one knows what happened'cause th it wasn't nothing filmed. Show that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It was like Staten Island or something. Yeah, I saved your ass on Staten Island. Showed me the medicine. Anything, anything, I guess. Well, that's all I got. It was it's

41:09 Dave's like, I'm I'm so like, I don't mind watching it. Don't want like a full length. I don't want like a two, I don't want to go to a theater knowing this whole thing. But they was right. Why do I watch cartoons? Why do I watch Toy Story? It's all AI. It's all not real. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't wanna see like I wanna say real. I don't wanna see real people up on screen knowing that they're not real people. Well, also, when you're watching animation, you at least know that that's a human being doing the voice. And in cases of, like, say, Toy Story or Robin Williams, when he would do it, they would. Often animate it than to even match what he had done in his what they're saying, yeah, how they're he's in the booth acting, jump up and down. They they do that. It's it's a it is a weird, slippery slope. You don't know which side you yeah, you're on. You were at least seeing a performance. When you were seeing those animated movies, even though nothing you were watching was real, what you were hearing was a performance. And this. There isn't a goddamn real thing in this. And they do anything, anything that just ends.

42:15 Oh, wow. He went there. Did you hear this, Dave? But do you know what I would say? What it's all AI. Oh yeah. So fake. None of that's real cause it's not real people. That's how I would handle that situation. Right there. Yeah, he And for a while I thought he's serious. He's got talk about Vin D's all summer. No, he went right he went right to to to Michael and his and his beard. Yeah, well, I don't wanna be around two of you the rest of the day. Going to be an all-day fight. This was fun though. And I wanna it's I wanted to do like we should I would watch the rest. I didn't know there was more of these Indiana Jones ones. There you go. Yeah. Do they all connect to one another? Probably not, I guess. They're all just rolling. Yeah, this was like a standalone thing for the Temple of Doom prequel. If you're a listener of the show, you must have obviously like Indiana Jones. weigh whether or not You supporting AI in this way is worth it. And if you, if you do, I hope you enjoy it because I found it enjoyable.

43:22 Well I think we should change your name. in character. Really? KIJ in character. Yeah, okay. Yeah, whatever. Well they thank you. This this this was fun'cause I really enjoyed watching it and I really had had a good time going, wow, this is pretty cool. And then it's like, oh, what's that? I want one but I still had fun watching it how it was a zone someone's idea, which is perfectly fine. And and th And we would just someone of Mike Myers as Michael Myers. That Mike Myers, Mike Myers, Michael Myers, whatever. There's AIs crack me to crack me to fuck off. Some are just funny as fuck. And some were pretty scary, I think. Anyway, well thank you Dave. Excellent idea. All right. We did it. I guess we'll see you next time when another AI Something Happens by Indiana Jones, which Might be soon, yeah. Luke, stay tuned, all right? All right. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time on AIJIC.

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Also mentioned: The Best of Fives – TV School Moments, where the news of Frank Beard's passing came up.

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0:05 Welcome to this edition of Ya Gotta See Them Live, the show where we look at the power of music and the power of love and Something like that. I don't know. I forget what the intro of this show is. I've heard all the episodes that Dave has done, but I didn't write it down. You can hear. Already from the start of the show and from the voice you're hearing right now, I am not Dave. This episode is going to be a little different. I'm Matt. You don't know who I am, I do some of the things at NEOZAZ from time to time. Huh. everybody. And I am jumping on the mic with absolutely no plan whatsoever. Or this episode because of something I Just listened to in a different series from NEOZAZ. I was catching up on the week's releases and I was listening to the latest best of fives, the

1:08 I was going to say back to school moments. That's not it. It's the school TV moments, I think is what its title is. But they. Dave and Dave Luke and Chris hosted that and they Went through some of the Almost unbelievable amount of passings that have happened over the past couple of weeks in the in the entertainment world at large and a couple in the music industry. And one day and they Had mentioned they just weren't going to get the best of fives for all of these. And one of the names they mentioned. was Frank Beard, the drummer for ZZ Top. and how he had passed away. And they actually made I think Chris made a really great Reference to Their appearance in Back to the Future 3 being his number one thing. I think he said it somewhat jokingly, but that's actually a pretty good answer for Chris. And it made me. Well, I don't have a best of fives for Frank Beard specifically because I'd just be doing a top five. ZZ Top. Show, like my top five favorite songs, and that's not really directed anything at him. So I figured in kind of

2:12 An an inspiration or a and let's see inspired by the The tributes we do record for the passing of Entertainment figures we like. I do an episode of Ya Gotta See Them Live on ZZ Top, and that's what I'm talking about, Frank. Beard, legendarily the drummer. ZZ Top since the beginning. And he is As, well, we've just said, recently passed away. Second member of the original band to go. So it's a little strange to say you gotta see him live when two-thirds of the original band. are no longer with us. However, the show is still going on. Billy Gibbons is Touring with Elwood Francis, who has stepped in for, or taken over, rather, is probably a better way to say it, for Dusty Hill, who passed away. We're going to talk about that here. shortly and another drummer whose name I don't have yet, but we'll probably learn. Either by the time the show's over or by the time they come around to Florida, because I am going to make every effort to see them.

3:18 Live again. So My history with ZZ Top. It's I'm a fan. Was a fan, I should say. I'm a much bigger fan now, but I was a fan growing up. I don't think anyone my age Really, um, this liked ZZ Top. I don't think I ever heard of anyone like really. Disliking ZZ Top. Now They may only be able to really Listen to or name one song, and that's fine. They had some huge hits like Sharp Dressed Man. I'll say Sharp Dressed Man is my favorite song of theirs. It's a Basic. Easy, obvious answer, but a friend of mine actually defended the same argument talking about Ozzy Osbourne: that hey, just because it's basic doesn't mean it's not a banger. That's what he said. So I love Sharp Dressed Man. Of course, Legs, Gimme All Your Lovin', Sleeping Bag. Cheap Sunglasses, La Grange, all their hits I like. And that's about all I really knew about them for the longest time. And They were

4:20 One point, and I know this from looking at clips online, they were the biggest. Draw In touring for a period of time. And I learned this when they were on a Episode of The Tonight Show when Johnny Carson was hosting. And it's actually a pretty Fun clip, but it's a little annoying clip at the same time. I would suggest looking it up if you've not seen this before because it's an interesting live. By them. But the Doc Severinsen, I think is his name, and the NBC Orchestra or whatever they were called, the Tonight Show Orchestra. I don't know what the I think it I can't remember what the full name was. Did I see Orchestra? They played an accompaniment to Sharp Dressed Man actually. And it kind of Takes a little bit of the life out of the song. And there is a moment in this that's very annoying. Billy Gibbons starts the song right at the point it should be, but then good old Doc Severinsen throws in an extra, I don't know what, some kind of. orchestral punch that He Billy Gibbons actually stops singing and waits for the next

5:23 Beat of where the song could roll into and starts again. So it looks like Billy Gibbons screwed up, but he didn't. He was actually like covering for something that shouldn't have been added to the song in the first place. But that, okay, that's not what this is about. Again, I have no notes for this. Doing this out of respect for the passing of two of the three members. ZZ Top, but that is a clip I think still worth checking out if you've never seen it before. And my point of this was: this was about the only opportunity I had growing up to see them was on this giant tour. It was a tour for their album Eliminator. I don't know if it was called the Eliminator tour. I don't even know if they have. Tour names for when they go around. They seem to never really stop touring. So I'm not sure when you pick one tour ends or decide when tour ends and one begins when you start. Going through ZZ Top's live performances, but it was when Eliminator had come out. And that has their hits that everybody in my generation knows. I said them already, and I'll say it again: Gimme All Your Lovin'. Sharp Dressed Man. Man, sorry, legs was on there. They were all over the TV, uh, MTV at the time, especially with the legs video. Those

6:25 not only the imagery of course of the Women's legs, but the famous, I don't even. I call them the flamingo guitars. I don't know what they are, but the feathered guitars. they still have a version of today on one of their live shows. They were huge, and this is about the only opportunity, again, that I probably could have seen them when I was young. Played somewhere in Philadelphia. I'm going to say. Is either Spectrum or Veterans Stadium? Because these were. This was a during their height, they weren't playing small arenas, they weren't playing kind of off the grid venues, they weren't playing clubs, that's for damn sure. They were playing these huge venues and we rarely ever. Saw. Any concert in a big venue at that when I was at that age. This was in the mid-80s, so I was. Anywhere between 10 and 15. I wasn't driving, is my point. Not even 16 years old yet. No way were my parents taking me to something like that. And it wasn't because of the music.

7:29 It was because of the The whole process getting from Quakertown to Philadelphia. Getting into the stadium, dealing with the people. My, uh, if, if, One thing I've learned. Definitely gotten from my parents is the unwillingness to be and deal with crowds. My mother's more of a people person than my father is, and I think I kind of land in the middle of the two, but they're both not big crowd people, and I definitely inherited that from them. So we never, ever. We could see the only ever the only time we've ever saw a concert. In one of those menus I just mentioned was Veterans Stadium and it was The Monkees. And it was after a Temple football game. And Temple wasn't very good at the time, so this this these these were the kind of perfect storm factors that My father agreed to go. One, we could get to the city during the day. Beginning of the game. Two, the game wouldn't be crowded.

8:32 So we could kind of easily get in, and then the people coming to see The Monkees would come after that. So that's when the big crowd would. Be there. And then, too, we'd probably, I think the way everything was timed, I think the concert was ending up being like a Four or five, we'd still get home. at a decent hour, as the only time I saw any concert with my parents at Veterans Stadium. I've gone since then once I could drive. That's just to give you an idea. how we were not going to go see them. So that time passed their height had hit, and I think Afterburner came out after Eliminator, and that was one of the first two CDs I ever got. I got for Christmas, I got ZZ Top Afterburner. I got Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet. And I played the hell out of Afterburner. I love a lot of the songs on there. Sleeping Bag, I think is what kicks off the album. Rough Boys ended up being a hit for them on the radio, which is strange because it's so different, and maybe that's why it was so different for them. And it was an album I could listen all the way through, much like Eliminator. So, kept up being the fan at the level I was, not the biggest fan in the world.

9:40 Just someone who enjoyed ZZ Top. really had nothing bad to say about them. Now, fast forward several decades, and I'm talking several decades. And we are now in the pandemic. I have said several times on many NEOZAZ shows that I have I was uh and considered in an industry that was considered essential. Serv services, supplies it was more the manufacturing that we were doing. We weren't really a services, but I had to I was still working during the pandemic. And actually that's probably a really good thing'cause even when the weekends came around, I was like bored and stretching for things to do and start would go a little stir crazy by Sunday night, which is weird because it's the same two days off I always had before the pandemic, but now I mean you couldn't go anywhere. I was stuck for 48 hours plus, not counting the times. Work was over, and before I had to go to work, and I would start to get a little stir-crazy. And it was one of those little stir-crazy Sundays, I think. Where I was like, I have watched every series I needed to catch up on, every series I've not seen before on streaming, and every YouTube video that I could possibly find. So now I'm digging deep into the depths of Netflix at the time to find anything that could keep me occupied. And I stumbled on, literally stumbled on, because I wasn't looking for it. I wasn't even looking for anything music related or a documentary.

11:03 And there's a documentary called ZZ Top. That Little Ol' Band from Texas. I'm like, I don't, I mean, I know ZZ Top's music. I can name a couple songs and albums, but that's about as far as it goes. I'm going to watch this. That was a huge game changer and a huge shift in my fandom. And in fact, before I even get to that, let me tell you. If you're a fan of documentaries, This is a fantastic documentary. Period. That's one statement. If you're a fan of music-based documentaries, We go from it being fantastic to I think I must watch. It is It was captivating. It was interesting. It had a very good pace, a lot of great music, and a lot of. Really fun old archival footage. Of these three guys, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Dusty Hill, that I have never seen it before. I mean, they had footage with them about beards, and then they had the story of how they had the beards, which I never knew.

12:06 And uh that Not only learning the story of them, Which was fun. Very incredibly interesting and educational, informational, I guess is a better way to say that. But they, between these kinds of segments and stages in their lives, they were on this very large open set. And they would get into these jam sessions where they just start kind of playing, and then we lead into a song that you usually knew or recognized, or at least had heard once. And for some reason performance as opposed to listening to a track on a C D. really resonated with me more than their music had than than the single tracks, the radio play, the whatnot. I just was finding myself Waiting for those moments in that documentary again and really, really enjoying. energy the three had. and what they were doing and what they were playing. And then like I said, just seamlessly going into these.

13:06 songs that I knew my whole life up to this point. And that's when I was like, I, you know, I really want to see these guys. I never had the real opportunity to. So that's when I started keeping. My eyes open sort of, well, best you could at the pandemic. I I had a plan to keep my eyes open. be able to see them. live at one point and Once things started to open up, concerts slowly but surely started to come back. And the very first one. I went to in August, I think of 2021. was Freaks on Parade. For that year, and that year was Rob Zombie. He's the, that, that's who like it usually flies under, and Alice Cooper. So that is Obviously not ZZ Top, but concerts had begun. Now I pinpoint that point in time, one, to say we're out seeing concerts again, but This is also now just a little less than a month.

14:10 Dusty Hill had passed away. He had passed away a month prior to this. I know we're talking about this is inspired by Frank Beard's passing, but it's important to. Talk about Dusty Hill passing away too, the first member. ZZ Top to pass away. If for some reason you don't recognize the name, Dusty Hill is the bass player. You also did Accompanying vocals for most of Billy Gibbons' songs. And he also sang I think it was a hit at one point. I'm not sure how far it was. It was he also sang Tush, which is also the second song. They sang on that Johnny Carson appearance I opened the show with. So right at that moment or that period of time that I kind of resided to the fact that I'm just not gonna. Be able to see ZZ Top because there, as far as I could see or understand, there was no ZZ Top and it was okay. It's not like it was one of those opportunities that I kind of just went, ah, I'll go see it. Them next time they're around. I just never really had the opportunity. And it didn't come around before. Concerts really started coming around Florida. So there was nothing to feel bad about, just a little disappointed. Like, that's too bad. That's kind of what it felt like.

15:19 Well it wasn't too terribly long after this. I I don't really have a timeline for this. But Footage started coming up of Elwood Francis playing post Dusty Hill's passing. Now Elwood Francis. If you don't know, that's a name you may not know. He is at the time, he was their guitar technician since forever, since this whole story I'm telling basically. And he actually picked up the bass when Dusty got ill. So there was footage of Elwood Francis playing before this, but now these are shows post Dusty Hill Passing. So I'm learning slowly here that ZZ Top is continuing in some form or fashion. In fact, speaking of Elwood Francis, if you like sharing things like this, obviously, like the documentary, there is a fantastic Interview with some local radio station DJ, and I don't know what city. I wish I could tell you, but I think if you put Elwood Francis and

16:21 guitar tour maybe or something like that in the YouTube. This is before this is while Dusty was still alive and well. Before the you'll see, he has no beard. Elwood Francis has not been growing his beard, much like Dusty and Billy. And But he's giving a walkthrough all of the equipment that he maintains and takes care of, and that Dusty and Billy were using on tour at the time. And there's a. H each guitar literally has a story and there's one story where he picks up these purple guitars that apparently were hollowed out and some kind of lights put in that Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill love, but he absolutely hated because they were hollowed out to put these lights in. And according to him, they sound they are the worst sounding Pieces of equipment on the entire guitar case. And it's funny hearing him tell this story because he pulls no punches. But now, At this point. point of my story and my timeline and my history with ZZ Top, they're touring again. Like, okay, and now I'm gonna keep my eyes open. Now this is a couple years ago, but I still largely kind of do the same thing I do looking for concerts. First of all, I get Ticketmaster and Live Nation emails out the like every day. And I think one out of 50 of them have a band I want to see, but at least they're useful.

17:34 What I Of do is when I'm just thinking about it, I do this with Alice Cooper probably like once a month and BABYMETAL too, to be completely honest with you. I will just be like, Oh, I wonder if there's any tour updates, and I'll go to their website. And that is exactly what I did with ZZ Top. I was like, Oh, is there a Let's see if there's any kind of tour update on ZZ Top. And I looked. And lo and behold, there was one for Florida in Plant City at the Strawberry Festival, which sounds like kind of the um scene in Spinal Tap where it was uh they're playing at Six Flags Puppet show, but it's not. The Strawberry Festival in Plant City is a huge event. It's a ginormous carnival light type thing. Uh the strawberry shortcake stands every you couldn't you can't throw a stone without hitting one and then they have this huge outdoor amphitheater. Which a lot of people, I don't know, know how big this thing actually is. And that's where they're playing. They're one of the headlining acts for one night. A lot of people played there. They always seemed to have the Oak Ridge Boys were like a fixture there every season. The thing goes on for like three weeks. And they have a concert, I think, almost every night. So they got a lot of names in there. I think the last one I saw, I didn't see the concert, but the last one last time I was at the Strawberry Festival, the headliner there was Kevin Costner.

18:50 In his band, I don't know what the Kevin Costner and the heavy lifting supporting cast or something like that. I don't know. But he was the headliner that night. So I was like, okay, as my opportunity, I'm going to see them. It's a little bit of a drive. It's about 90 minutes from me, but there's no Orlando dates, no Tampa dates. And that's about, you know, if then I start going out. Have to go out the perimeter of that safety zone of driving. And they go, okay, Plant City, 90 minutes. I can do that. ZZ Top, I'll do it. Got a ticket. And I will say This one thing that I just uh it's worth telling because And it's going to be a weird story, but The Strawberry Festival has our own ticketing system, no Live Nation, no Ticketmaster. So the price you see, it was I think$63 a ticket. And when I checked out, it was$63. It didn't suddenly go up to$130 with all the fees and everything that you normally see. Like I said, their own ticketing system, the prices, what the price says, and what was super freaking cool.

19:53 And this, I don't think this is unique to them, but for me, it was, I really enjoyed it. You put in how many tickets you want, and it immediately finds you the best seats. And they're all the same price. So it's not like, oh, here's the best seats, the VIP second row for$732. It's like, no, here, here's. Here's the ninth row. It's dead center, one seat, sixty-three bucks. I was like, boom, I'll take it. I mean, nine rows. I can't complain being less than 10 rows away from a band I now wanted to see for a couple of years. Got the ticket, went to the show. It was what I really enjoy about seeing shows of kind of the age I'm at and the acts I'm seeing. Everyone there is there for the same reason to hear their favorite songs, to have a good time, and Not Beep. Out of control about it in any way, shape, or form. And everyone there was a probably a bigger ZZ Top fan than me, but I'm now a bigger ZZ Top fan than I was. Back in the 80s. So I'm very happy to be there as well. One funny thing about this.

20:55 Is that when they do Sharp Dressed Man? When they get to the stanza, every girl crazy about a sharp-dressed man, Billy, the song, the recorded song already stopped. All the instruments stopped: the drums and the guitars. When they do this live, Billy doesn't sing the stanza. He lets the crowd sing it. And if you look up, Clips on that on YouTube, it's fantastic because you hear thousands of people saying this line. We had thousands of people saying it too, but we were in an outdoor venue with no cover. So the sound directly goes up. You know, the path of least resistance for sound waves goes up. So it sounds like. Nobody's barely. It sounds like we're barely saying everything, even though sitting there, the experience was funny, or fun, I should say, but the video was funny. In fact, I have it. I still have it. I'm going to play the clip here. So you can kind of see what I'm talking about, how the sound gets lost. [Clip: Sharp Dressed Man, live]

22:04 But I will be the ring for myself. Believe me, sitting there, it was it was the it was the same experience you would see online inside a indoor venue. So Saw that show. It had a, it ended, the main show ended with legs. And the Encore had a song I can't remember I know I recognized at the time, but I can't remember what it is, but then the very last song was La Grange. Great show, great night. I went and got a strawberry shortcake, ate it on the way back to my car. And was extremely Happy to have seen them and ready to see them again. And I wasn't expecting to see them at the Strawberry Festival. That's why there was. Kind of events where if a band has played there before, they're not going to be back for like four or five years. It's like I said at some point in this whole rambling, they don't ha they haven't seemed to ever stop touring.

23:09 So I knew they were going to be somewhere I could get to eventually. And then Well was it? better part of a month ago at this point. Well, even longer than this. This was this was something building up. Dusty Hill's whole. absence from the band. Passing away and went pretty fast. Frank Beard. Has been off tour for good. quite a bit and I think it was the Hollywood Bowl show they're gonna do, which was is a huge Venue huge event. It was a Some kinda I think it was like as a as a Texas themed music almost festival or one night long show that they're playing and they cancelled. And when they canceled, I was like, I that this is I know it's not going to unfortunately be good and it wasn't too long after that the announcement that Frank Beard had passed away. And that was I mean, I mean, it sucked. It's it's uh had now become a far bigger fan of All their music, all and all the members of the band than I ever had been before growing up with them. And now being able, then finally having that live connection, that kind of whole group.

24:20 Everybody in that audience was there to see this and experience it and have the same amount of fun. You know, it's not going to happen the same way again. I mean, it may happen again. They may come back around. They have started doing live shows again with another drummer, but it's always a little different. I mean, I don't know what a Dusty Hill show was like. And there's and Elwood Francis. Seemed to be having as much fun on stage as anybody else, and it that helped with the energy of the show, but I'm sure it's probably different than what a What an original lineup of ZZ Top would have been. And now, when I do see them again, when I have the opportunity, it's gonna be a little different again because now it's down another member. And that's just I mean the Is there a that you can do about it? Absolutely nothing other than just celebrate. Enjoy the memories and give their proper respect to Someone that was a part of something you really enjoy now. And that's what Frank Beard was for me. I really, really enjoy ZZ Top's music even more now.

25:20 in my older years and I did when they were at their when I was young. So Sad to see him go. Definitely, same way I felt when Dusty Hill passed away. I do appreciate the contribution and part of what he was with ZZ Top. I mean, it's it's I can't even say he contributed to ZZ Top. He was. one of the three people that are ZZ top. It's can't really identify one without the others. So definitely saddened that he's gone, but absolutely positively appreciate What he he brought. Music and Since he was part of Making that music, his drum lines, what I'm sure you would call those. What would he write out for music sheets for drums? I don't know. But the drum tracks, I guess you could say, for his music are being replicated. So it is his work. being performed by somebody else, so if you get the chance. And you like any ZZ Top song. You should see them live. You gotta see them.

26:22 And at this point, while you can, because it is so much fun, and everyone there is going to be there for the same reason to have that much fun, hear their favorite song or songs, and just let everybody. Have the same amount of fun that they're having. And that's one of the unique things about this concert that I went to, and I did finally get to see them. And I'm hoping to see it one more time. That's it. Thank you, Frank, for what you've done for music. Thank you for being a vital part of creating something I've now come to. Really enjoy. I don't think it's ever failed to get me out of a little bit of a bad mood or at least make my mood better when I hear a ZZ Top song. So Thank you for that and thank you for Dusty Hill as well. We should include him in this. And thanks, Dave, for having this opportunity for me to talk about my experience with ZZ Top and share what I think. Gotta see them live. So, all right. Thanks for listening. Hope that wasn't too rambly. I'm sure it was, but that's what I do here. So, until next time, I don't know what Dave's sign-off is. So, I will say what I always say. I'll see you in that next episode.

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Also mentioned: Dave's takes on Buddy and Corey Feldman in Streams and Nightmares – Late Summer Dump, and more Colony talk in The Best of Fives – Zombies.

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0:10 For listening to Pass the Popcorn, the movie review podcast. That's right, yet another movie review podcast on the internet. But here's what this podcast has that no one else does: your hosts, Chris and Tim. Hello, welcome to... Pass the Popcorn. I was waiting for Luke to step in Pass the Popcorn. I was waiting for you. You know, what's weird is I put up my like finger to him. I was like, wait. They so so so so you would go, but no one went. Oh, because I was expecting Priscilla. Bad is the popcorn. There was a time that Luke was so tiny he wasn't even on the show, and it was so much easier. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a superior show. It was a superior show. That I don't I I miss those days. But now he's, you know, he's on everything. Even if he's like not on, if we do like an episode of something, if he's down here doing something beforehand.

1:11 He'll hang around the next episode of whatever we do, just to, you know, listen. He says he says just be part of it. when he gets that job. When he when he finds that special someone. and moves out of the nest. And into that person's nest. Hope he's not a bird. Yeah. You just look out back. This isn't. We always say this every time we record. We have to do it better. We have to start. That's what everybody says. Make the show better. Better. We have to do this earlier or faster. We got to do it months late. We got to do we got like between Tim's moves he's seen that I had I didn't see and vice versa and the combinations there were like 30 films. Seriously. It's it's gonna quick I I have I have fifteen on my list. 16 on my list that I'm going to talk about, but there are some that I literally just crossed out and said, no, we're not going to talk about.

2:16 So I crossed out like four or five. So, but it has been, it has been. I think the last time we did this was at the end of June. Well, I'm looking up because I. But that's when Tim was up here. Yeah. It can't be. We did one after that. 'Cause June and now it's September, it's early September. I don't believe you, Tim. I think we did. I'm look I'm looking now. Oh, I just saw it Pass the Popcorn was on on iTunes, if anyone's out there. you know. It'll all one Listener. Where was it at? Pass the Popcorn. Where's where to go? Yeah, I don't I I honestly I do not remember when we did the last It was when was up here. Whoa, this that has to stop. Because this is our last episode was no, it was released. July 29th. Oh, so it has, it's only been a month. Yeah, it's been minions, monsters, biwani. Oh, yeah. So it has, it's, yeah.

3:22 So, yeah, it's been a month. The one that was released July 6th, we probably did when Tim was up. That was Toy Story, Supergirl, and Master of the Universe. Yeah. Yeah, so all right. So it's been a month. Yeah. Well, it's just we saw a lot of movies. But that's the thing: I was off for I was on vacation for a week. And what did we do, buddy? We saw, I think, seven or eight movies that you saw three. You saw three in a day. We saw three in a day just last weekend. Yeah. Last year. Last Saturday. And it was a very last-minute thing. We saw we saw Terminator 2. the 35th anniversary and then it was over like 927. We saw what nine thirty was um Follow me. And I said, I ain't driving back here. I said we're already here. Do you want to do it? And look smart and he goes, You want to do it? And I know that's his way of saying, I'll do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's like, I'll do it, Papa. It was weird to see. We haven't done that. And since mom worked at the theater back in the day, but it was rough, it was a long.

4:25 Long day. I just has been a very long time since I saw three movies. The one time I remember seeing three movies. Was I don't remember what all three of the movies were. One of them was Movie 43. One of them was Amazing Spider-Man. Two? I wanna say? And something else. And This is back in the day before I had Uh this is possibly back in the day before I had movie pass. But and I didn't have money to see all these movies, I was poor. I still I mean, I still am, but I was poor. And so I would, I would, uh Figure out the times of when movies were playing. And I would be like, okay, I'm going to see this. You really map it out. Yeah. And when I lived in DC, I did the same thing because at then I was, I really had no money. And so that's how I was able to see movies. I would, on the weekends when I wasn't working, I would. Take the subway to One of the theaters that one of the I had like three or four theaters on my rotation.

5:28 And I would plan it out. So I would see one movie and then sneak in to see another movie. Like, oh, I'm going to see this and I'll see Catwoman. Back in that time, it was so much easier to do that because there were no assigned seats. You can just go in there and sit, and that's your spot. Simple as that. No one's saying, Hey, you're in my seat. You know what I mean? I actually, I was in a movie. It wasn't a movie I I s skipped into, but I was in a movie and I was sitting in someone's seat. I didn't I I was just got in the wrong row. And I was like, oh, I am in your the wrong seat. So I remember having to get up. It was like a mom and her I've seen that then all the time. Because the letters on the staircases aren't that bright. And when it's dark, you can't really see. And people do that all the time. Oh, this is Jay. Oh, I'm okay. You know what I mean? No, and I can I saw them like looking at me and I was like, and before they even came up and like, I think I'm in the wrong seat. And then they come up, this is Ati. And I'm like, oh, cool. And you can always, you can always tell when someone's in the wrong seat because someone's walking up, looks down the aisle, and then brings out their phone again and looks at the same thing. Yeah, there's, there's, there's, yeah, there's certain, there's a, there's a telltale sign. I mean, I have that, I have that at work because I have a lot of people that come into where I work.

6:46 It has to use a bathroom. I always, as soon as they come in, I see they always stop in one spot. Their eyes go to one spot, their eyes go to another spot, and then they come up to me and say, Is there a bathroom here? Well, it's almost the same almost every time. It's like A, one, two, three. Are they are they really honestly using the bathroom? Are they trying to sneaking. No, they're they they're they're looking for a bass. Yeah, but but I can't walk in. while pissing and then asked, where's the bathroom? But I mean, there is no bathroom where I'm at, like that's that they can access. Yeah, it's it's not like we have like a like a secret bathroom, but they all think we have a secret bathroom. And there and and we sometimes will get people like, well, where do you go? And I'm like, I we have a bathroom you know, but you can't get to it, you know. Well, that's the thing. A lot of employee a lot of things like for bathroom for employees only.

7:47 And a lot of people don't understand that. Like, when you can't go into certain places and use the bathroom unless you buy coffee or something. Well, yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's not even. It's like Starbucks is. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's not even that. It's just that we don't have. I'm like, I, I'm like, why would I lie to you about us not having if we had a bathroom? I would let you use it, but we don't have a bathroom for you. Right. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. We got a shitload of movies, and we're just going to go down. The oldest to the newest, and we'll jump in of what we Tim's seen and I see, and it's just going to be just. Just ride along. Just ride the wave. Hopefully. Did you guys eat before we started this? Yes, yes. Can you eat? Yeah, I had a ham sandwich. I was like, I can't. I need to eat something. We What a c what a cow makes? I'm kind of like Code's code. Chicken. With like peas and noodles all mixed up, it's called salmon. She made like a like a casserole. Not a cat, it was like a hot casserole then, I guess, but it was, it's, it's, it was really good though. And it was crock potted.

8:52 Cockpotted. Is that a word? All day long. So the chicken just fucking just tore apart. Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, it was casserole-esque. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we had our celery. Then we had our celery and peanut butter, which is our snack of the evening sometimes. And I just like, I love, I can't eat celery. I can. By itself, it's boring. Yeah. I just don't like that. With peanut butter, oh, it's pure heaven. I have a hard time eating peanut butter in the evening because. What? No, because it like forms like a. It gets all oily in my stomach. Yeah. And like if I'm If I'm lying the wrong way, like the oil, like it almost like it, it's almost like S reflux, but it's not. It's just like peanut butter, like coming back up. Yeah, you know. This is hard. This is, God, we haven't even talked about anything yet. I delivered this a story I wanted to tell you and mom, Ashley, and I forgot. And Tim's.

9:54 This description of today? Yeah. This happened this happened today. I went to the hospital. I got to go desktop to to to desktop. And I saw this this man in a wheelchair. Pretty big man. With, you know, the the bathroom robes on, whatever the the hospital gowns. However, like he's sitting there and he has a nurse helping him. She's looking at me because. She knows. I can see what's happening. Tim, I can't describe it. It looked like his. It looked like either a piece of skin you or Ball sack. And I'm not making this up was the size of like 15 footballs and it was just running in. It was hanging down Like almost touching the ground where he would sit in the wheelchair. And I was just bothering him. He probably had like a crazy infection or something going on. I was like thinking, what is that? And then I also had gynectophilic with the fake balls? No, it was a gigantic, it was something huge. And I just wanted to take a picture of it and later on zoom in and say, what is this? But it was just, and then I had, then I parked at a hospital, at a doctor's office.

11:12 And there was a big opening, three handicaps and two spots. I parked right there. I do my shit, come back out, and some, you know, some old guy will be with like a cane. You know what? He blocked all the handicapped spaces. UPS doesn't even do that. Yeah. And I said Nothing. I didn't even, I didn't even, he was right. I was blocking parking spots, but I can't bargain anywhere else. Anyway, back to the show. The oldest movie we're gonna go back to. is Motor City. Which you saw. I remember I remember we talked about this. You saw it. Or did I s did Did I see this? Did we already talk about Motor City the last one? No, no, no, no. I think you saw it, but I hadn't seen it yet. I don't think you did. I think that this one was something that came out last time. You saw it. Yeah, we did talk about me and you. Oh, on the last episode and Pip didn't see it. But I don't think we gave full details of it. I mean, it was.

12:18 It's it's we love Reacher. So yeah, it's I think we have blind blinders on That he's in a new one coming out soon, the runner, which we have this past week's. Mystery movie I heard. It's getting torn apart. Everyone's hating it. I have Reacher blinders and when I see him. In a movie, I enjoy it. Yeah. And Motor City to me was like a pretty cool like 90s ish action film. with Part of this movie, there's hardly any dialogue, which made it fun, interesting. And it's him kicking ass in the 70s, right? It takes place. Yeah, late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. And I enjoy it for what it was. It's not an Oscar winner. It's not going to be. Gone here and gone, but I enjoy. Those kind of movies. It's a movie that definitely was made. On purposely different. Like it really was like a movie that was. made almost as like an experiment.

13:20 Um, and it is, it, I mean, there, it, it's, it's essentially a silent movie to a classic rock soundtrack. Yes, you're exactly right. And that was a great soundtrack, too. It was. And that. There was one song that stood out. There was a Fleetwood Mac song, and it was. Uh how when it came out of the surround sound. They was, it was the, it was him getting arrested and taken to jail. It was that. And they they remixed the The uh The sound, so the drums were like a quarter beat off. And so it it made it sound like the made it sound like the drums were echoing. Through the theater. It was, it was really. a cool effect. And I think um Jack White. was the music supervisor. on this so It so he selected a lot of songs and I guess did chose the remixing and that sort of stuff. But it was who's the best Ben Foster. You had Ben Foster and you had

14:26 Pablo Schreiber as the corrupt cop. And Ben Foster, I love him and and and everything. He's such a he's he plays a great Dick, such an evil motherfucker. He's so cool. I mean, we've been following him. For years. Like he, I first noticed him. Mm TV show Six Feet Under on HBO. And then the first time I really noticed him was in The Punisher. Is he in? Jon Bernthal? No. No. The the the the um let's um The guy Ray? Is it the guy? Ray. Stevenson? No, no, the 2003 or 2004 one. Oh, Dolph Lundgren? No, that's fucking name. Oh, my God. Thomas Jane. My God, I got it. Thomas Jane. It is Christ. Yeah, we met who held you, buddy. Mm-hmm. He played he played Dave like when uh There, when he goes in and pulls out all the little facial things, Dave, little Dave.

15:28 I'm gonna introduce you to a new world of pain. Was Ben Foster in a wet? Was he in that 3:10 to Yuma or some Western? Yeah, yeah. He was the bad guy in 3:10. Every time I hear him, I think of that. Movie. He was in that other Western, that kind of Western with Chris Pine. Um I have to bring up his uh Chris Pine, like from the guy from Taylor Sheridan, Chris Pine, then you mentioned yeah. Well, Taylor, I saw that I forget what I got, I'm gonna bring it up though. He was in the boxing one. Yeah, the boxing. Yeah, yeah. I hated him in that. He was so good in that because he was good in that. But that's why he was so. He was fantastic. And he did such a great job for me to say. Hell or High Water. That's the movie I'm thinking of. which was written by Taylor Sheridan. Yeah, and I didn't watch that in theaters and one di one morning years ago. Up early. I was like, everyone's in bed. Let me see what's. And then he's seen it. I'm like, ooh, I'll watch it. And it was good. Yeah. It was good. Even in that movie, even though he's not.

16:33 Bad guy. I mean, I th it's there's not really a bad guy in this, but He's just kind of like the fuck up in that movie that. causes the bad things to happen. Right. But like Chris Pine and him were brothers. It's a cool movie. If you if those If the person that's listening to this hasn't heard the one person Motor City, though, I really enjoy. This is my kind of movie. It's not, it's, it's this, this is what I like. I like Reacher. I like. him. I enjoy his his presence. I like the no dialogue. I really had a fun time watching. And they had a cool elevator fight. Which makes sense been so long. Yeah. And Pablo. And I even also love Pablo Schreiber. I think he's really fucking cool. I even told Luke, which I was exaggerating. I was like, I think. This isn't this now Trumped Captain America is no, no. I know that too. I know that too. But the point I was saying was: that was a kick ass fight, and the guy's leg. And then he grabs it and he tries to put it back. Yeah.

17:37 Yeah, Pablo was good. Publisher. Hey, Pogmore Sammy, did you give I, you know what? I'm going to give this one 3.5. Five. I will say this now after all the years of doing Pass the Popcorn. I my first reaction when I give my rating I don't know. I think sometimes I'm really generous or really mean. As I as I look at my rating, I gave it four and a half. Yeah. Cause I just enjoyed it so much because I like him. And I like that Timmy said that. It's different. It wasn't like like the the ordinary action film. It had the the no dialogue was like really intriguing like where you You knew what was going on without Well, there were parts where Like the the no dialogue, it was really heavy-handed. You know, you have this like overly melodramatic, like holding the ring and staring at the ring and there was some slamming something down and the dead look and like ah, and like the overly dramatic gestures. You were absolutely correct. There was kind of comical, but you know, but it worked.

18:54 It worked, yeah. For what it was. For yeah, exactly. How many buddy? What do you give it? Well Oh, he liked it less than you liked it l less than me. That's fine. You're allowed to. All right. The next one Dave was on a little bit earlier. Um The Dink on Apple Plus. I don't even know what this is. Hold on. Tim, bring it up. It is. Who's that guy? From the board? Oh, Jake Johnson. Jake Johnson. I do like Jake Johnson. I do like Mary Steenburgen. It is a funny fucking movie where you find. Like there was 10 chuckles in the first half an hour. Ed Harris is in it. Ed Harris was in it. Yeah, Ed Harris. Ted Danson's wife was in. Chris Parnell. Oh, Lennon Parham, who I like Lennon. I like her. Ben Stiller. Yeah, he had a little bit of a cat. It's funny as fuck. It reminds me of a 90s. Like a Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, kind of like a Tommy Boy 2 kind of thing. That's like those kind of style movie. And it was.

20:00 Funny forcing them. I can I can I already Can tell that I probably wouldn't like this very much because the director. Uh Josh Greenbaum directed. Barb and Star Go to Vista Del Mar, which I would be all about. They also did strays, which I really liked. You like this movie a lot, Tim. It was we watched it open a weekend, like at home on Apple Plus, and it was just funny and and Dave oh wait this is when we John McEnroe. Red buddy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim? John McEnroe, I think, plays himself. Um Every scene that he's in, and then I wish. He didn't do this at the end. At the end. Yeah. He has food. It's either like a hot dog or a soft pretzel or like a slice of pizza tam. Dog is the size of your arm. The fucking pretzel is enormous. And the pizza was like, it looked like a pie, but it was cut at a triangle. And then, and then someone's like, well, you, you.

21:04 They sell some pizza here. He goes, no, I brought this from home. I like McEnroe when he shows up in movies. There's something about him where. He's always he usually shows up in comedies and he's but he's always funny. Tim, I'm telling you, this is this is your I would think I would probably want to see this because it's better than bus boys. It is better than Lafaymore. Well, I'll say this: it might be better than a bus boys. I gave it two and a half. I gave it 3.75. Five for the jammer's stuff. Alright, the next one came out a long time ago and now it's the biggest movie I think of all time. Spider-Man, what's it called again? Brand new day. Brand new day. Which I think brand new day. Um. I mean, I know people love these movies. All of these movies are great. I. Personally. Think that these are flawed movies. I think Tim just hates Spider-Man. Tim has really talked down about.

22:11 Spider-Man films. It's the Tom Holland ones. He's really not like the first one, I think it is Tom Holland of the four. The first one is the is Almost flawless movie. The second one I think is the funniest one. And he hates the multiverse. That's why I hate the multiverse. He hates multiverse. So this one had nothing to do with the multiverse. No, but it's a continuation from the last one. It's a continuation. At the end of the second one, when MJ finds out that he's Spider-Man, and then all of a sudden the world finds out that he's Spider-Man. It's like, all right, we're going to get a real Spider-Man no more. Get out. And then we get we go to the next one, and then it's like fucks player man no more. We're gonna do this multiverse so we can stunt cast and throw all this shit. the shit in rather like play on nostalgia rather than push things forward. Go back, go back to the well. Oh, well, people like those movies, so let's bring all those old villains in. For no fucking reason. And then at the end of the movie, have everybody forget that he's Spider-Man.

23:15 And so in this movie, there's no friends. And so the So the side characters are less. Let's uh important to well maybe not important must involved Um and so this one this one I think is Probably the weakest of the four in my opinion. But it is still good. It's still a good movie. I think I thought it was shit. They explained why do you think it's killing it in the box office then? Like, why is it avatar now? Like, one of the other things. Because people love Spider-Man. Um, it came out on so many different formats. You had 3D, you had 4DX, you had ScreenX, you had IMAX eventually. Um And so and you and you also have people going back and seeing it. multiple times, which I saw it. I've seen it. We saw it twice, right, buddy? Yeah, back to back. I've seen it three times. Weekends. Yeah.

24:16 But there's a lot of things in this movie that don't make sense to me. But I'll say the things I liked about it. I love that they introduced Jean Grey. Yes. I love that they brought in Jean Grey. Instead of multiversing it and saying, Oh, hey, well, here's a here let's go with one of the other Jean Grey or the you know. Uh so I liked I thought that was great. Um I thought the accent sequences were awesome. I didn't understand why the hand Was I remember you were saying that, yeah. Um, that to me was like, what is the hand doing here? And it never really, and it still doesn't really make sense. Um Yeah, but I mean, but in general, like, I thought, I thought a lot of it was really great. I did think it was emotional. I thought. Punisher was A little goofy. And I don't understand why, when at the end of the movie, when he's doing his thing at the end.

25:19 That he isn't being arrested. Like, he's like, he kills. You know, he's killed hundreds and hundreds of people and yet he's allowed you to sit there. in the in the hospital and uh not not be arrested. So There's things that didn't make sense. All right, well you you you you you said you say what you need to say. I think I think the chemistry between him and the Punisher I think is phenomenal. Yeah, I think they're like real-life friendship shows on the screen. Um Jon Bernthal is just Perfect punisher. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I got something to say. He is fantastic. I think the Hulk. And the Punisher and and Spidey scene. Phenomenal. I thought that was fucking one of the best. Marvel action moments and the MCU universe. So far. I don't understand. Okay, I I don't understand this. Okay. I thought the Hulk

26:21 Yeah, and and the last time we saw the hook, which was what, the l the adventures? I thought he had gotten A hold of the whole Hulkness. And all of a sudden, he had it on. He's wearing that Apple Watch, whatever it was, to control him. But Jean Grey took it off. Took it off. Yeah, but. I thought when when when in Endgame. He had already like was able to Blend the two together so he could be smart hulk. He was, he was Bruce Banner. He was wearing that back then in that one, but no, but if he was able, but he seemed to say she. He did wear in She-Hawk. Yeah. He seemed happy to be. green hole. In those things. And then this one is like, no, I gotta keep it hidden. And oh my God. Well, guess he's just afraid of what's going to happen if it comes out, I guess. Yeah. I mean, well, I can't, yeah, I get that. But, yeah, you know, we had already we got past that like 10 years ago. Man, Tim, I'm shocked. Shocked that Tim is not for me.

27:23 I think this is the best Spider Man movie. Everyone's saying that. Everyone's saying this is the best of the Tom Hollands. I got four words. Of them of all, even including the other ones. What Andrew Garfield and Tobey Dancing? Yeah. Okay. I have four words, two words for each of you. Luke, two guns. Luke, you're done. Chris, you're dumb. Why do you think, and I hate to say this because I'm a huge, I'm a more of a... DC guy. Why do you think, like, Supermans and Batman's, like, like, why do you think Spider-Man is really? This shows you the Spider-Man, like Tim said. Could be everyone's favorite hidden superhero. Yeah. To anything else that comes out, he's funny. He's got that youthful spunk. I guess so. It's less serious. So he's able to. You know, and and I I Spider-Man is I love

28:25 The old uh Stan Lee Spider-Man, like those first hundred issues of Spider-Man. Are so fucking great because It's it's about Peter Parker. And that's what I like. I like the I prefer the Peter Parker stuff. To him as Spider-Man. I mean, I understand for a movie and it's called Spider-Man, it's gotta be Spider-Man. But the Peter Parker stuff, I think, is the best stuff. And I think that Tobey Maguire handled. The Peter Parker, being the Peter Parker aspect of it really well. I think. Tom Holland. Awesome in the first two. It was an awesome Peter Parker in the first two. Movies of his. But peop I think people love the Peter Parker, but the Spider-Man is the icing on the cake. Yeah, that's it. It was, it was, I mean, it's it's it's killing it. I think it's like third or fourth now in the top films of all time. Who's your favorite Spider-Man, Tim? Uh the uh the I I like the Tobey ones.

29:30 I think the First two Tobey movies are. The best Tobey movies, or the best Tobey movies, the best Flint movies, the first two. I think I said, I think I sent you guys a A list of them. Yeah, you'd have to find it. But I think I sent a list of ranking them. Well how many popcorns, Tim? I mean it's for This one gets three. Oh. Tim? I got two words for you. Two words for you. You're dumb. Um five here. Five. Yeah. I I I loved it. I liked all the callbacks to the comics, like the cover arts were appearing. They even played the spearmint, the old spearman thing. Yeah, I like the Andrew Garfield when she buries her back in the web. Like that happened, and this kind of like it had flashbacks to all the other. Spider-Man's like when he's learning how to shoot his jiz web out of his hand. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was, it, it, it,

30:33 Had nice callbacks too. And you called back the first time. That he was watching Part 6 back. Yeah, I saw that immediately. Yeah, on his on the there's a Star Wars reference. Every Tom Holland movie has a Star Wars reference to it. Even even in even in Civil War, he's like, you remember that old movie? Yeah, the old movie. Yeah. When they fly around the legs. Uh alright. Spider-Man's done. Um all right, let me say a few that that we've seen, then then Tim can give some of his. This is gonna be fast. Dave. Dave Force me and ask me. And Luke, we saw Corey Feldman vs. the World. Short and sweet. It was at the Mayus Theater. It's how many years ago, buddy? How long ago is this 12? How long ago is this? 10 years. What? How long ago was this movie made? It says 2025. Yeah, this came out last year. Where? Where did where did this come out at? It's about his personal life of what he went through. I mean, it is a piece of shit. He's he's yeah. Of his angels.

31:40 His dancers, Corey's angels, how he treated them. There's rumors that they were sex slaves, almost like a cult. A sex cult. He's just, it's his way. But come back, come back, king. It was horrible. It was horrible, but it was fun to watch that. I I would I would this this I haven't seen this movie, so I can't say for sure. Remember that. That Joaquin Phoenix movie that came out a bunch of years ago, uh, where he had the beard and And he wouldn't change characters. Not change it. He would stay in character for this role. This is what I think. I think this is one of those. Like, I think that this was a loosely scripted. I don't know, but it was like it was a bus tour going around to where he's doing these nightclubs and bars with his Corey's Angels, where he met his wife, but they're no longer they're not married anymore. It's and we s something Dave and I saw him in concert, you know. Unfortunately. Twice.

32:41 Is he upset about this movie for coming out? I think so. Yeah. That's why I don't know when it came out a year ago, but I never even heard about it until days of hey, the Amazon State is showing it. I'm my guess is that they that this is a purposely Like marketed movie to make it seem he like. This is a controversial movie. He doesn't want you to see this. This is all marketing. He probably. Wants you to see this movie, but I think what it is, is he's leaning into. The negative press. and is playing up that character. People. I mean, I don't know how he is afraid. He might be a piece of shit, but. I have a feeling that this is all part of the plan. It's it's it's like the Joker. Yeah. I didn't give any popcorns'cause I don't I just don't have any. interest in reading it. I don't know, it's it's not playing anywhere for me to see it other than that.

33:44 Tenth. If Corey Feldman Near you, would you go? Tim would, I think. Just for the experience. If I wasn't working and I, you know, and it wasn't too expensive. And if you had nothing that's better to do. Yeah, I mean, pretty much. Cause there's a lot of concerts I go to because that I that I'm like, oh, I'm not working tonight. Oh, and yeah, I'll go see them. And so there's a lot of things that I do, but it's just because I have the night free. So I'm like, oh, I'll go see so-and-so. Pim would definitely go see Corey Feldman if he had time to. He would he probably wouldn't go out of his way to see him. But like, Tim. Yeah, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like to say, oh, he's going to be here in four months. I'm going to buy my ticket. I'm going to get the VIP. You know, it's not going to be like that, but. I do, I honestly do think that Corey Feldman is Playing a goof on people. I really think he's. That's his brand. He's just, he's just, he's just a jerk. He thinks that. His shit don't stink, and it's his way or no way. Do it like this. And again, everyone loves to hate a villain. So I think he's playing up the role.

34:54 uh as as as a villain. I think that's what he's doing here. I don't I mean he's he is He is Much wealthier than we give him credit for. I think a lot of people think that he's this poor guy. He's making good bucks. He's doing a tour with a Um Wil Wheaton and Jerry O'Connell, they're doing a Stand by Me tour where they're always reading or watching the movie and shit with like the audience and and everything. I do believe that this is a Constructed persona. Do you like Nintem? I like some of his early work big time. I was always a two Corey's fan. I don't have a problem with him. I mean, there was a time where I was. Thinking, oh my God, this guy's going off the rails. But I don't, I really don't think he is. I think that this. I he he might be crazy. But I think he's he's kind of discovered that if he just leans into it.

35:55 He could be more successful than to fight than to try to fight it. I mean, two thumbs up for this guy. I didn't see the film, but Two thumbs up. Um the the next one, which Timmy didn't see one night only? Did you say they saw that? I did not see that. I I didn't really Uh want to see it. For real, no? I had no I had no interest in seeing it. It's like the purge. It had a twist. Oh, sex. Yeah. You can't have sex. It's the purge. No, you can only have sex one night a year. Yeah. I'll tell you what turns me off for this movie. It's him. I know you don't like him. You think he's like, I do not like Callum Turner. He doesn't bother me. And she, I adore her. She's so cute and adorable and like when she's acting in this movie. It looks believable. She's great. I mean, I do like her. Um Clever little twist like about one night only you can have sex with, you know.

36:59 Anybody, and just how they how they met in the it's a sweet movie, it's it's stupid. But it's still Sweet movie to watch. Callum Turner reminds me. Mm-hmm. Early James Franco. And I really hated James Franco when he was first starting out. Oh, yeah. I can see I thought he was a terrible actor. I still don't think he's a very good actor. Have you seen him lose his mind on TikTok? No. Lately? Yeah, he's been. He's been like filming himself like Like insane. Like, you gotta watch these. On drugs. I mean, he looks a mess. He looks a mess. And even when's his name? His brother? What's his Dave Franco? Dave Franco. Talks of Like, whenever he talks about whatever his family, he never says his brother James. He just says my family. Like, he never brings up James Franklin's name anymore. because James Franklin has been cancelled. But um This was cute, Tim. It's a cute movie. And the whole time, you see side boobs on her.

38:03 I mean, I do like her. I think she is. Uh I think she's Great. I liked her in that the Bob Dylan movie. Um, she's got some stuff coming up. Let me, let me, where's that moment? Where's she at? How many pop words would you give it, buddy? What do you give it? I asked you first,'cause you don't know mine. give it a three. I gave it 3.25. Uh oh. Uh oh. What if I pass it over? Then I'll say one more and then Tim can give budgets and then we'll go back to what we both saw. All right. Um Last house. It's on Netflix. Tim and Tim will never watch this. Time will never watch it. I kept seeing the hype online on social media, like how everyone's watching Last House, Last House, Last House. So we watched it. It is it's a town or a neighborhood where it starts raining. Everyone gets trapped in their house. They, they can't, the rain is controlling like the doors won't open, the windows don't open for fucking years. Am I right? Yeah. Where they're growing, when the kids are growing, like five, six years, you know, their time's passing.

39:20 But the whole moral of it is they're putting a garnet in their house. Yeah, they're they're like they're making crops and they're fucking Living room. Yeah. The whole thing though is that it's it's about It's They're like ocean creatures. Ocean creatures, like ocean gods. From the old books or whatever that that were here first. like taken over the earth. It was I thought it was going to be better than than everyone was hyping about. It was just Once and done. You know what I mean? It's like, and it starts the girl in the movie, don't know her name. She was fantastic. She's the voice of. The Lily Pad and Toy Story 5. Oh, Greta Greta Lee, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She was she she was good. And it's it's a movie that after a while, you know, oh, we're home. That's oh, this is great. Then after a while you go nuts a little bit, you get d each other's nerves and everything. But it was and it was just it was just like a creature. Horror kind of movie that was like, this is it.

40:25 I like the director, Louis Leterrier. He's good. He did, um Mm-hmm. Transporter. Uh I think you did the He did the transporter too. The Incredible Hulk, the original one. Clash of the Titans. Now you see me, Brothers Grimsby. Uh he did Fast X. Uh oh, buddy. So, but I like I do like him. I think I think he's I think he's a good director. I didn't see this, but I likely won't. I probably did give me a buddy. It's been a while. I gave 1.75. All right, Tim, give us some of yours and then we'll go back to what we both saw. Then we go back to again what I saw. Save, say, like save, say, half of yours now, and then save another half later on. Uh one I forgot to mention earlier. Uh I saw the Magic Faraway Tree or the far away magic tree. The Andrew Garfield, right? Yeah. Which you said you would never see. Well, never, I have just no, I don't, I'm, I have no interest. Like, if it comes on here and I got nothing to do, I'll watch it. But Tim's response, I was like, I ain't watching this. I don't care about this. I don't care. And Tim's response, yeah, but it has a bearded spidey. Yeah. Yeah, it was like your spidey smoothie. I like my spidey smooth.

41:45 I uh It was, I mean, for a for like a kids fantasy movie. It was actually pretty good. Like Like Andrew Garfield was was good. In it, th th he he plays the dad and his wife's clairvoy. And it it it's it's it's like a good a good This is this is the kind of movie I think. Once uh Once it gets onto streaming and people start Watching it, they'll pick up on it and be like, oh, that was actually a pretty good movie. Can I say this too? I think lately and recently, movies and theaters anymore, like a lot of the shit that we're seeing. Should be definite streaming movies. Yeah. It's more nowadays. Like the past couple of years, it's like this didn't need to be in theaters. Well, I think what it is is you. You had all those movies that would show up on streaming and then they would disappear and no one would ever talk about them. And it's it's this is it's kind of the same thing with with the whole DVD.

42:48 uh era. Where sometimes the theatrical release is really Just a commercial for The home the home yes, yeah, yeah, true. So, like I'll tell you right now, this Spider-Man thing is gonna be the biggest fucking thing in streaming ever. when it gets on streaming. Like. All the people that saw it now. Two-thirds of them are going to watch not streaming. And then you're going to have. 200% of those people are also going to watch it. Yeah. So let's say let's say a billion people watched it now. 3 billion people are going to watch it on home streaming at some point. So. Yeah, it so something like this where they put it out. It gets a theatrical release. It gets reviewed. People talk about it. It's a, it's a, it's a good movie in general, I thought. Um let's see what what did it I'm trying to see what it got rated. It got 6.2 on net on IMDB, which is it. Um is that more the bus boys?

43:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is more than bus boys. But it I mean it's it's it's funny. It's it's it's got it's got like the it's got all the like the the tropes of like kids movies of the past where They live in the city and then something happens and they have to leave and they go to the country. And Andrew Garfield decides he wants to become a tomato farmer so he can make pots Make pasta. Make pasta sauce because I make the bed. And he always talks Italian and they go, you're not Italian, you've never even been to Italy. And he goes, but how do I make it a good sauce? Um, yeah, and they and they keep and they go off. And the one girl is angry and she wants to go home. She wants to go back to the city. She doesn't like to live in the country. It it's it's just one of those things um But I mean For a kids movie. There are far worse kids movie out there that far more people have seen. That is true. Uh but I would give this one I would give this one 3.25. I mean, I will I will check it out when it's when it's all streaming. I I I will. Just I ain't gonna mush it to the theater. Yeah, I mean, it it it's it's kind of like a Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, the witches.

44:54 Uh the witches, man, that's that's a call, it's kind of like those sort of movies. Uh, and Rebecca Ferguson's in. I've always had a thing for Rebecca Ferguson. I like her too. And she plays like a villain. She plays like a like a evil principal at a school. And uh so she and she's great now. And she's got this weird wonky like snaggle tooth. In the movie, that they don't really explain. I think you said you liked that. Didn't you like? Kirsten Dunst snaggletooth. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a Tradems or Tims. If you have, you know, boobs, you know, an ass and a nice face. Fine, but if you have that snaggle tooth in there, it's so well. I mean, for Kirsten Dunst, it makes her stand out. It gives her like a unique In this next movie, she doesn't

45:55 I don't think Rebecca Ferguson actually has a snaggle tooth, but in the movie they give her a snaggle tooth. Okay. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I hope you see it when it comes out. I will in time. I do like him. I do like Andy Garfield and all that. So yeah. And it makes it a good pasta sauce, even though he's not an Italian. Uh what else did I see? Um Legend of the White Dragon. Which I think we saw this trailer once before we used Yeah, well, uh I mean This is wait a minute, was this like the Power Rangers thing? Yeah, style, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, Jason David Frank, he's the Green Ranger and And you saw this? I did. I did. He yeah, he he um He wanted to he wanted to make a movie of his own. Now he's been gone for. Almost four years, I want to say.

46:59 He died like four years ago. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, he he uh he was wasn't he the guy always always at the cons? He was always at the cons. He was like a hallway. I know he died. Like, yeah, no, he committed suicide like four years ago. Uh he was at I I mean I was at his last con. His last con was in Indianapolis and I drove up there in the snow. And I remember walking by him and he always would wear these suits. These like nicely tailored suits, and he looked really cool, but he was always like really super fan-friendly. Like, he was a really like interacted with the fans and people loved him. He always had a line. I swear to God. Yeah, he always had a line. Well, the Power Ranger have a huge fan base. Like, I know it's not something that we're into, but a lot of people really grew up. Yeah. And the pink. Ranger, that the girl is always doing shows too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he, yeah, he, he, there was a situation, I guess he was going through a divorce.

48:03 Yeah, and he got an argument with his wife and then The next thing they know, he had went up to A hotel room and I think hung himself. Something to that effect. I may be having that. But it was like really shocking when it happened. Like, cause I, yeah, he was at a, he was at the, he was at the last, I was at his last convention. And I remember, and I do remember saying, wow, look at his. Look, look how many people are in line for him. He looks he looks cool. Right. So this movie was filmed back then? Yeah, it was filmed. It's made by a guy who made a lot of these old. YouTube Batman movies and like shorts, things like that. So this is his first like. Um, feature film. And it it is it is one of those movies where This should have played on like the sci-fi channel or something like that. Like it's it's it's a it's a sci-fi movie that Has You know, it doesn't have the big Hollywood effects that you would expect today. It does look a little. little rinky dink at times. But it but it is like there's there's like a certain like earnest

49:08 Yeah uh It the like an earnestness. Like it like they made it out of love, but they but understanding that they don't have a hundred million dollars to make the movie. So they made it as best as they could with what they had. But it is basically the most generic. Sci-fi. action movie ever made. It's like Were there people in there too? Was there more than one in there? Yeah, yeah. I would say. When I saw it, there was I saw it in one of the smaller theaters. There was probably 30 people in there. Jesus Christ. Wow. Theater that fit about 70 people, I think. Wow. Um And you could tell they like I saw a lot of them wearing like Power Ranger shirts and stuff like that. Right. So they knew what their fan base, they knew who was going to come. In the movie, he basically plays a Power Ranger. in the movie but he he but it's it's like She fought a guy. So it's it's like

50:10 Batman vs. Superman. Batman versus Doomsday, Star Trek. Star Wars. It just all all the all the the the tropes. That you see in every movie. Like, if you're watching this, you could probably put take a notepad and say, That reminds me of this movie. That happened in this movie. That happened in this movie. So it was all, it was like basically like a puzzle of all these different movies all. put together. It was For what it was, you know, you gotta, you gotta give them, you know. applause for finishing the movie and putting it out there. That being said, I give a negative four. It wasn't very good. I give them, I give them. You know. A for effort. D for delivery. It was, you know, it just wasn't very good. But. Honestly, if you watch this on the sci-fi channel. You would probably think It was a fun movie to watch, but it's cheap and stupid. It's one of those dumb ones that I still had a good time watching. Yeah. But I feel bad saying this because you could tell, like,

51:17 Jason David Frank put a lot of himself into this movie. You know, even though I think he knew it was going to be like kind of a dumb movie too. Right. But Still, it's still kind of cool. His daughter plays his daughter in the movie. Um It uh I yeah, but he's been gone for like Three or four years. So yeah, so he filmed it and actually there was a I think it's on Hulu. There's like the dark side of shows. And there was one that was like about the Power Rangers. And I remember they do talk about this because they talk about his death and all that on there. But they also said, and he was making, he was making a movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he really wanted people to see it. So I went and saw it. I give it I give it 1.25 Um Okay. Right. Uh and what's another one that I saw? Tony. Which I do want to see that. That's that's one that I'm interested in seeing. Sometime, yeah.

52:18 This, this is a, this was a good movie. Uh, you, I think you would like it. The dude Dominic Sessa from uh Was it the In-Betweener? What was that show that was on? Poji Marty, yeah. Was it The Holdovers? The Holdovers. The Holdovers, yeah. Yeah. Eddie was in the last Now You See Me. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's he's good in this movie. Uh Emilia Jones is cute as a button. Antonio is cool. It's just a nice movie. Um It takes place in the 70s, and it's, you know, when you watch it, you sort of wish you were in the 70s. Based off of Anthony Bourdain, no, no, he d he died like 10 years ago, something like that. Um but it yeah, it basically talks about his like how he came to start working in kitchens. He wanted to be a writer.

53:20 But he Uh Got a summer job working at this restaurant at the beat. He was trying to impress this girl. That's why he went to the beach and he got the job there. Okay. And he's and that's that's where he developed his, I guess, his love, his passion for. food and for restaurant lifestyle. Yeah. But yeah, it's a good movie. I would give this one three and a half. Okay. Yeah, it's it's one that I I do want to check out. And do you want me to go do one more? Yeah, yeah, all right. This is probably the worst fucking movie I've seen the entire year. had a guess at what it is. Okay. Her Private Hell. Never what's that? What's that, Tim? Uh, Sophie Thatcher is in it. She's the she's the one from that. What was that movie with the robot girl? That came out last no, no, no, um The where like where like you you could buy a girl and she's your girlfriend. Isn't that the one coming out with

54:23 Do, um or tag it, then you or take it? What else was Quades in it. Yeah. Uh You love that. Yeah, what was that one you call it? Companion. Companion. Companion. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This movie, it's made by a guy, Nicolas Winding Refn. who makes these controversial movies that don't make any fucking sense. Okay. Uh he did The Neon Demon, Only God Forgives, Drive. Those are those are three Valhalla Rising. Um, those are. Bunch of his movies. They all fucking suck. Drive is the only one that has. Penny. They still haven't seen it. Ryan Goss is that thing right here. Uh well only God forgives. Only God the first like 10 minutes of only God forgives is cool. Uh, and drive the first 20 minutes of drive is okay. They all these movies start out good and then they get so.

55:28 Wackadoo. that you're just like, oh, in this movie. How long was this movie? It felt like it was 112 hours. And it was less than two, hour and 50. It was so. I hated it. Fucking zero, zero. I want more. I want my popcorns back. Negative Three popcorns. What made you decide to see this? Yeah, because it's part of his of his, um Regal unlike. I have right Regal Unlimited. The great thing about Regal Unlimited is I can go and see shitty movies. Yeah. And then it pays for itself. Like, if Tim, what how much is it? If you see three a month, right? It pays for itself. If I if I see two a month, two, it, I, I, I'm. I more than get my money's worth. Bring even, yeah. So you gotta go see as many as you get as you can. So I ended up seeing like. On an average month, I probably see. 15 plus movies. And I can also go back and see.

56:32 movies multiple times and not, you know, not feel like I'm like wasting my time and money. Um so yeah, I'll go and see these shitty movies, and that and that's but that's the great thing. When you start to see bad movies, you start to appreciate the good ones that much more. That is true. And also, some of these bad movies, you can appreciate them for other things. Like this movie is like a cool movie to look at. Like the lighting and the colors are cool. Sophie Thatcher is attractive, so she's fun to look at. Right. Watch Yellowjackets. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So, I mean, it really is. It's like you go see these movies and you find things about them you like. I mean, as I said. I know I said this is the worst movie I ever saw, but this year. But I mean, there are the parts of it that are kind of neat. Like, as I said, it takes place in this like. Oh not really a post-apocalyptic world, but a an alternate future.

57:34 And it's almost like they're the Jetsons. They live above the clouds. They live in those penthouses. Yeah, because she's she's part of like the social elite and she lives like way above the clouds. So when she looks out the window, all you see are clouds beneath you, but it's always night. It's never day. Okay. So everything is dark. The whole movie is in purples and pinks and blues. And it's in that respect, it's interesting. But in every other respect, you know, I just want to shoot myself. Right, right. I just want to drink strychnine. Uh because the movie was so fucking boring other than other than that stuff. So zero popcorns. Damn. Damn. If I had to, for the good stuff, I'll give it 0.3 popcorns. Tim, this was a sequel to Bus Boys. Would you like it? This would have nothing to do with bus boys. Had bus boys, had they come in and said, where's my dick money?

58:35 Uh that would have automatically given it one popcorn. Boom. Taking money. Alright, let's go back to s stuff that we've both seen. Ice Cream Man. Ooh yeah. Eli Roth. Yeah. Not a reboot, not a retaliant. Just we saw this with Dave. We saw it. Was this a movie that we saw? Yeah. It wasn't one of those. It's not a chunk. Um Was different. It was kind of corny and cheesy. Ice cream man is giving the kids ice cream and it possesses them to. kill adults any way possible. And it was, you know, like this is the movie that could have been on like, like on the sci-fi channel or some kind of service. It didn't need. be in theaters. I'll tell you right now, it did need to be in theaters because if it wasn't in theaters, I would not have seen it. That is true. That is, this is for these movies are for Tim who don't have. Streaming services. And I know I went and saw this movie, and I know I said I kind of liked it.

59:40 But I honestly don't, I can't even talk about it in terms of like trying to critique it because I don't remember. To be specifics about it. Yeah. Wasn't it no, at the very end, didn't Dave was pissed? Wasn't it? Oh yeah, yeah. They use your word. That part. No, I'm thinking about like was it like a say satanic cult? What was the s the supernatural? Yeah, that's what pissed them off not as much as your word. That it was like that he wrote this movie and then at the very end, ah, there's no no explanation. We'll just, you know, we'll have this like as a cult kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I I prefer the Clint Howard ice cream man to this ice cream man. Yes. But I did, I did think that some of the deaths were funny. I did think like when they swarmed the adults. And we're killing the adults. I thought that was funny. Like, you saw adults running and these girls and kids running after them. Um And and the fact that some of the kids got killed, like you actually saw kids get killed, which you never see in movies. Never, yeah, yeah, you never see that. Like, like, the part I laughed at was when the daughter comes in and cuts off her mom's head with a hacksaw, yeah. And then, and then the husband's like, oh, honey, you like spilled something on me. But it's her, her.

1:00:57 Her neck blood oozing out. Yeah. I laughed at that. You know what I mean? I mean, and that's that, this goes back to, it's kind of like those 80s horror movies where it was, or those, or those 90s straight to video movies like Ice Cream Man and Jack Frost and. Gingerbread, man. Where they're horror, they're comedies. I mean, they're bloody comedies. So I like Eli Roth a lot in his work. The best part of this movie was a fake trailer. Oh my God. Yeah. Don't don't what was it? Like the house, bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Because he made a big trailer for Thanksgiving and then sooner or later that came out. As a movie. Yeah. So maybe this will. Happen, yes. Don't go to house, bitch. And they had Snoop Dogg who were then Doing the voiceover. And that's what made it kind of funnier. Like, they would see, you know, they walked by the house, it's all dark, and you know, and the door was inside. Yeah, and the kid walks in and they're took what it has, bitch. That was the best part. That was the best, the whole best, the whole best part of that movie.

1:02:02 Was the trailer before the movie. Yeah, yeah. Well they was it? They started doing that with uh with the grind house. Yeah. Cause they had Eli Roth do a couple of those. Um and they like some of those some of those turned into like machete was just a fake trailer. Yeah, yeah, and they made the customer. One of them, yeah. One of them? Yeah. He w in and for the Grindhouse, he was in Deathproof. Deathproof, yeah. Which I think is is one of Tarantino's best movies. Yeah, I prefer that one over Planet Terror. More. Yeah, Planet Planet Terror. Planet Terror was they're they're both very different, but yeah, yeah, between the two I prefer. Like I could I could sit down and watch. Probably more often than I can when it's there. How many scoops of popcorn, Tim? This one, honestly, I would give it 2.75. Wow. Luke. I give it two. See, this is always my first reaction, I guess. And I think having Dave there in my ear too helped me. I gave him half a popcorn.

1:03:10 What? Yeah. I got two words for you. No, no, no. You got it. Dave's done. No, no, because you listen to Dave. Don't listen to what Dave says. Dave's not the boss of you. Yes, he he is in a boss. That the boss is. I work for David. Did you ever get ice cream from my ice cream truck? Buddy is kids. Every time ice cream, man, the whole Andy Murphy skit, whenever we even. You guys were kids. It usually drove behind us and the neighbor behind us. And we always would track it down and buy it. You should yell and hop in the car. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we all ran there. And you guys. I got something. One of them. Site. And then Tim actually was up here in June, and we went to the like a little shack, a store. And Tim got like what they sell in ice cream trucks, like the stupid pops. He got two of them with two gum ball eyeballs. Yeah, there was some little girl walking by and she saw me eating.

1:04:14 Batman one. Eating the Batman one and She and and and her she went in with her dad and and she came out and because she she was she saw my bat and she she wanted the one that I was eating. And she came out and she showed me your Batman little ice cream thing. I'm like, yeah. And and Sam got two did he get two Batmans? I got a Batman and I got a spon I think a Spongebob. This is SpongeBob. I thought it was TD Bird. It was Tweety Bird. Oh, I did get a Tweety Bird, yeah. I don't like the gum eyeballs. I never did. Well, the thing with those gum eyeballs is they reduce so much. That it's, it's, it's almost like you're like. eating like a piece of skin. It gets so small. Penis is so small. It gets so tiny that the gum just disappears. It doesn't like it doesn't even really exist. Cause you know why? That ain't gum. You know what I mean? I don't know. That probably is some kind of flesh, sunburned skin peeled off someone's shoulder. Yeah, I've I I believe I've only gotten actual ice cream cones because

1:05:18 when we and where where we're from. The ice cream truck would go around, but it was always pre-packaged stuff, like good humor bars. And I was like, Were they nutty buddies? Would that be you can get nutty buddies? You can get. You can get the the um The Italian ice that came in little cups, push-ups, like the Flintstone, Flintstone push-ups. You can get those sort of things, but they didn't have like soft surf. I know I was in New York City once and they had a Mr. It's a front tasty freeze or Mr. Tasty. They had one of those trucks on Times Square, and I remember getting. a soft serve cone out of one, which would be kind of like what this This guy was serving. I remember Tim, my old street as a kid, Moore's Court. I could I could ride the bike down the alley. Down ten and then up whatever the road in front of there is mill. I don't even know. I could just ride my bike and like I couldn't cross any streets. Okay.

1:06:19 So I could ride around the block, wee, wee. And one time, my mom gave me one of those. This is fucking horrible. There's push-up pops and they're frozen ice. Yeah. And I said, I'm going to go for a bike ride. Yeah. So I like rode around the corner and on 10th Street, I'm like, I'm enjoying this. And the best part is when they is when they melt. Yeah. And you drink what's what's left. Some kid Older kids wrote wrote by me and like I don't know, didn't hit me, but like scared me or came too close to me. And I spilled it. To this day, I'm still devastated. Dude, when you drive by that spot, you're like, motherfucker. I figure that because it's the best part. It's the corner of the tenth and the road that that's I don't know, I I live the road that Friggers are. And there was that's that Strayer is on? Like down that's big. Well, I mean old Strayer. That's technically What is it? No, that's not Main Street. Is it Main Street? I mean like Tenth and Park.

1:07:24 Well, no, it's the other end, Tim. It's not Tenth and Park. It's the other way. It's the other. It's like, if don't make it left and hit Park Avenue, make it right and hit that main drag that goes. Oh, Juniper? No. You're going too too far. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was devastated. And I always think of that. Like, I had it. I might have even saved it. It was a hot day. And I was like, I want to make this whole fucking thing's melted and juice. Oh, are you talking about like the things that come in like triangles? No, like the long plastic strips. Okay. Oh, like the like the oh, I know what you mean. Yeah, you're you're like the popsicles that come with a little plastic. Yeah, it looks and you and you push it and you bite it and you push it up. I've saved the whole thing, I think. So it's all just this liquid juice. Did you feel like? No, but somebody hit me or tapped me or scared me and I and I and I went limp and then it just poured right out on the fucking on the side. Yeah, the juice the juice is the juice is where it's at with those things. You like how the juice? The juice is good. Yeah.

1:08:34 I don't even know what we what we were talking about. Ice cream man. We just finished ice cream man yet. Ice cream man. All right. Um that's a little little sim Backstory. The next one we all have seen, which I don't know how Tim, I forget what Tim said about this. End of Oak Street. Um yeah. Oh, okay. No, I I was Looking forward to seeing this, and I was surprised and entertained, yeah, and I really. I guess it was it was comical at times, but it had some Great moments with dinosaurs, and it was just like what would happen if this would happen. And then it explained it of like a time warp bubble. Portal, whatever took and took that Town out and I really enjoyed this and had some shocking moments. And this. Yeah. Okay. Same? I am just now realizing that Maisie Stella played the daughter.

1:09:36 And I met her when she was real young, like eight. Well, she used to she was well, she used to be on the Nashville show. Oh, okay. And she so she was on Nashville and She and her sister, her older sister, Lennon Stella. were played Connie Britton's daughters on that. And so where I worked, we had a partnership with that show. And so a lot of the people who were on that show. Yeah. Do meet and greets and stuff. So I would handled a bunch of those meet and greets, and I know I handled at least two. With her. I didn't realize that that was her. In this movie, also, she's like what 18 now or something, right? Right, right, right. I don't know, and she probably doesn't look No, she's 20. She is 23. Well Anyway, um. But all right. Remember seeing the first trailer thinking, okay, what's this all about? Yeah, and then I remember.

1:10:42 Thinking to myself, ow, this movie's probably gonna fucking suck. And I went and saw I wasn't super excited to see it. When I saw the trailer where, oh, it's dinosaurs. When I saw the dream, I'm like, okay, well, I'll go see it. You know, I mean, I was going to see it regardless. I mean hell, I went and saw I was gonna say you've you've seen it, like where it's Fucking Super Troopers 3. Yeah. So I went and saw it. And I and I did. I really enjoyed it. That the end was like they couldn't figure out how to end it. So they just rushed it. They kind of rush in and make things like really, really convenient. Uh everything was like wh there right where they they yeah, everything was like oh oh oh oh. And you know, for something that's supposed to be taking place in like nineteen eighty. And the the this is this is my big beef and I think I talked talked with you about this. In the movie. Ewan McGregor is a dad who has lost his job.

1:11:47 Yeah, it's a big point of contention with him and Anne Hathaway. Um So he, the job that he has is a pizza delivery guy. So they're there, they're in their town. HM They somehow make it to where they need to be. To uh to get a hold of their dad so they can save him'cause he In the movie, he dies. Shocking death shockingly when when Anne Hathaway is on the deck and she he comes over and whatever Baseball bats, the dinosaur leg. And then the dinosaur turned over. And I'm thinking. He's not, he can't survive that. But I think I said he can survive getting. Picked up by the leg, thrown around. And then, you know, get up and walk away. And that didn't happen. No, he did not get up. He did not walk away. No. No, it was, it was, I mean, it really was. That was like the moment in the movie. I was like, I was like, oh my God. Like, that was, that was like my chest exploded because I was like, oh my God. And it didn't seem like you, at that time, you think.

1:12:59 Holy shit, he's dead. Not thinking the whole back to the future time warp thing, back in time kind of kind of moment. Well, they yeah, they they they They're what what happens is they're entire neighborhood gets pulled into a time warp. The past, I guess. Prehistoric, yeah, I guess. And they somehow find a little tiny warp that brings them back to. The future but Conveniently brings them back to the future like a half an hour before they left. So it was like that to me didn't make sense. And then they get up. Do you know how time bubbles work? I don't. I clearly don't. Then they get up to the top of the hill. And they're like, hey, we can say dad, dad's at work. And he's delivering pizzas. And miraculously, there is a bus station with a gigantic digital clock on it in the middle of suburbia. There's this is like a town that nobody lives in. And there's a bus, like, why do they even have a bus line here? And at the bus line, there's a payphone. So all these things that are just so convenient.

1:14:02 And then they call and order a pizza. Here here he goes. He knows. Pizza Battle. I have delivered, I have delivered pizza. They have like, in the, in the movie, they have like 15 minutes. So they have to call, order the pizza. And he has to get there with the pizza delivery in 15 minutes. That is not fucking reality. Hey, okay, I don't know where the pizza shop is in relation to where they're at, but. It didn't look like there was a pizza shop down the street. You got a call. Someone has to, and this is back in the 80s, so someone has to write down ah, pepperoni or something. Someone has to make that pizza making the pizza over the toe. Pepperoni on it, all that. Oh, oh, oh. Then they gotta put the pizza in the oven. And as you know, then you sing the Jeopardy theme 10 times. You gotta take the pizza out, put it in the box. Hopefully. Ewan McGregor's right there to take the pizza directly. Like he's not out on a delivery to the Swanson's house and comes back. So he has to go back, get the pizza, then buh buh buh bubba bubba in his little Jetson car. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

1:15:02 the hill. Find them. And all within like 15, 20 minutes. Impossible. Tim is the only person I think who's seen this movie. who thought about the pizza process. I should I should go on all the like Pizza Delivery Men United and see what they think of this movie. But in the 80s, if you got it in the third amount of time, is it free? Back in the day, Domino's did that. But I think someone died. I think I did it. There was Domino's had a 30 minutes or less. And what happened was. Uh a driver was speeding to get to where to get to the delivery. And Got into an accident, and I think someone died as a result of that. So they did. I remember when that happened while we were working at. The theater because they stopped it. That was like a big thing. And I remember one of the dudes because we worked next to a Domino's pizza, there was a domino's right next to the pizza, buddy. Yeah, they used to go over there and trade pizza. We trade them a lot of tickets to make a pizza. Like, we probably gave them the equivalent of like$40 to make an$8 pizza. Yeah, like we just threw whatever we want to.

1:16:13 Corner. And they would let us go behind the counter and make our own pizza. We made our own pizza and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that guy coming back after they took away the 30 minutes or less, and he was just like taking his time. He's like, I don't need to run. Think about that, no need to run anymore. There there was we used to I used to not make I used to always like tease one of the one of the drivers there. Um he used to like you could park they could park in front of the fucking Dominoes run in there, get their orders, and he was like funny in the flash. He was the flash. There was one time I remember, this is this, it's cruel. He he parked there, car running. He ran in to see this detective. That's right, you stole his car, didn't you? I had this car and I drove it to the end of the parking lot. Other side of the parking lot. He came out and it was gone and he looked around and he was like so pissed. And I said, Is that your car over there? Yeah, and he was screaming a certain way that.

1:17:18 That was just how he did it. And he ran. Yeah, I used to tease those guys a lot. You know what? You know what would have been really, really cruel? And I'm glad we never. Did this and I didn't think about it till now, like 30 some odd years later. Yeah. At one night, we took butter flavoring and doused it all over the front on the grass and where they would run in and out of. Yeah. Because you know, Rich would go, oh, and the pizza would fly up in the air probably and land. That would have been fun. But we went to RetroCon. There's a, there's a, A wrestler character named Sergeant Slaughter. Sergeant Slaughter looks yeah. And one time we went there with mom and it was him. It was this guy new dressed as Sergeant Slaughter walking around. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Well, they both have kind of a hair lip kind of thing. Go one, or that, or that. Wait, like almost like a cleft palette kind of thing. I'm not really sure. This is another side story. I thought it was you, Tim, but it's not. Didn't him and the podcaster Steve, who's been on this Neil's ass, didn't they drive together to a place? He went.

1:18:30 He offered Steve Yeah yeah. a ride to Disney. So yeah, yeah, so Steve and and and so all Steve had to do was pitch in for gas. And I guess part of the hotel. So for Steve. It was a really inexpensive way to go to Disney back in The 90s, the like 98, 97, 98, 99. I forget when it was. So Steve like went Went down there for like super cheap because. He rode along with Rich. Rich's sister and Rich's sister's boyfriend. That's the first time. Yeah. Four of them. Collectively covered the cost of gas and a hotel room. And Steve didn't hang out with them outside of the ride. Down and back in the hotel and sleeping. Steve was basically on his own. So he he He took it as an opportunity to get down there and have a cheap place to stay, even if he wasn't too fond of the people that he was with. Right. It was Steve doesn't, he never complained about it. He never said that it was like a bad time. He always, Steve always kind of.

1:19:41 sort of acknowledged that it was strange, but he never. He never said that it was like Like a horror show or anything like that. And that's the and good for Steve. Like, like going to the mall, like a local hour drive, half an hour drive away. Okay. But to drive down to Florida with Like that's that's falsy. That's that that takes really like That's what you don't know. Yeah, you're not social. Rich. You know, we make fun of him because he was unique. He was unique. He's a lot. At least the last I heard he was Tolman. He is he is a unique. One of a kind of gentleman. Yeah. But he was a nice guy. He never did anything mean. He was, I never heard him say a bad thing about anybody. He was a He was a oh, he was a righteous dude. Like he was, he, he was, he was not, he was, he wasn't an asshole. He was nice. I mean, if we're being honest, we were the one who. I was the asshole. Yeah, we were the assholes. He was a nice guy, but we always picked on him. But in a way, he.

1:20:52 He kind of like he, if we didn't pick on him, he would be upset. Like, you know, why aren't you picking on me? He just knew that that's what we did. Yeah, he pushes bones. Rich Rich Ferguson. Wherever you may be. Um we did say this. We did say this, or I, you and I talked about this. Part of the reason why this movie worked. It worked as well as it did. Was you had Ewan and Anne Hathaway two great actors? Yes. Do it. I mean, taking what is a ridiculous premise. And making something of it. And the two of them. Are they so good at what they do that they were able to elevate the quality of this movie, which easily should have been like a sharknado kind of thing. Absolutely. And and when Ewan McGregor is just he's an actor. Even Dave said they Can't look away. What he's doing, it's pure shit. You just he's so good at it because of who he is.

1:21:55 It was very, yeah, yeah. Even in the even in the trailer when he does that thing, like aliens. Yeah. Yeah, like like I like that. Like I just I just like him in the movie and she's and she's really very good too. Well to give it that was funny too at the end, which says That if a dinosaur? Yeah, at the very end, there's like no F-bombs in the whole fucking movie. And then at the very end, where he sees like the whole town in a bubble, and he sees dinosaurs, and he's like, Is that a fucking dinosaur? That was hysterical. Yeah. Not knowing that, yeah, you were just eaten by one. Half an hour ago, you know? I would give this movie... 3.9. Oh Luce? Was that where you get it? I'm not saying anything. You? Say, I gave it a four. Four. So that's the closest we've been to so far of all these movies that we all like agree. 3.9. You know, just.

1:23:00 Round it up to four of the movies that we talked about on this show. This is the one that surprised me the most because I really was went in there. Expecting to be underwhelmed. Right. And it did not, it did not underwhelm me. If I was to see it a second time, I might feel differently, but. That with this, that first viewing and just with the shock, I'm sorry for those of you who are listening to us that didn't know that Ewan McGregor dies in this movie. Well, he he he does, but then he doesn't. Yeah, he does it, he does it. He doesn't but I mean, there are those moments that are shocking, and then there's the moments at the end where you're like, what the fuck? So it gets a rise out of you for different reasons. Oh. We didn't even mention what? The the the pornography in this movie. Oh yeah, you do get to see some uh Bronto on Bronto sex. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, on top of a house. So if you want to see, you know, two Bronze Horsees getting it on.

1:24:05 Luke was like clutching his shirt, you know, trying to keep his heartbeat down. He was so excited. Oh. He's like, he's like, this is what we're missing at Jurassic Park. the last whatever the last Jurassic pork we need Jurassic pork you know yeah Jurassic pork Alright. Um Let's talk about two movies that are classics, which we came back at in theaters, Point Break and The Fast and the Furious. For their anniversary, what's Point Break's? 35th or 35th? Point Break is 35 this year. 35. And what was The Fast and the Furious? 20. The Fast and the Furious is 25. 25. 25, yeah. And I don't care. I mean, yes, I love Point Break. It's one of my all-time favorite 90s films. The Fast and the Furious is like your franchise that started all. Even you were laughing at Vin Diesel's actor. But fuck, I don't care what anyone has to say. I want to hear Tim's story of seeing The Fast and the Furious and how. He saw it. Oh yeah, I I saw it what what last week.

1:25:09 And I actually didn't realize I was buying a ticket. So you didn't know? You just went to see Fast and the Furious. Yeah, because it was playing at a certain time and I I I think I had something to do that night. I'm not sure. Why why? But so I went to see it and it was at it was at a different regal. It's not the one right around the corner from me. It was the one I had to drive a little bit to. But they have a 4DX, which is the basically the movie ride. Basically, these seats were made for this movie. Yeah. And all you know? And I have never seen. The first fast, the fast and the furious. I've never seen him ever seen the original. This came out when I lived in Washington, D.C. And I just never got out to see it. I remember seeing trailers for it. Uh every time I go to the theater because it was a it was a big summer movie. I it may have come out when I was this two two thousand one?

1:26:14 It may have come out, I remember spending like Four to six weeks in Houston, Texas. Oh, for a flood that I was working with. the time. So I don't recall. I actually don't recall going to a movie once. during that time frame. I might have saw Tomb Raider. But I did not see this. Of course, you did, yeah. Yeah. But I did not see this. So I never saw it. I did see part two when that came out a few years later. I remember watching that with Dave. Uh but So I'd never seen it. And I'm not a car person. I'm like, when I watch these sort of things and I see this like, Car racing culture. And I know that it exists, but did it exist like that then? Was it like that then? Or is it like what it is now because of these movies? Like, which came first? The chicken of the heat. Yeah, the chicken of the heat, right. So I don't know. I don't know. But I saw it in 4DX and

1:27:16 I'll tell you. 4DX is the way to see this fucking movie. I believe. Uh it it it it Tosses you around. The smoke, they do smoke at the front of the screen. So when they take it. Do they have like a burnt tire smell? At all? No, no, no. They they they do have like smell of vision. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There, but it's they don't choose the smell. It has one smell. It smells like. floral, but I didn't I don't recall ever smelling anything. They might have done away with the smell of vision. At these things. And there was no water. It sometimes sports water on it. Yeah, yeah, they. Right, yeah. But yeah, it had smokes. It had the, like if they're being chased by cops, there's flashing lights in the theater. Seriously. Yeah. And and the seats move. And When and when and like when you're sitting there and they and they're they're in the car and it's like idling your seat's rumbling that is amazing. Yeah, you would love that luke. It was we did we we saw a 40

1:28:19 One of the Star Wars Horse Wagon. You have to go through. We have to go down to King of Prussia, right? King of Prussia is the only one here. Plus, Janet won. Yeah, there is Maverick there, too. No, I don't think the one in Warrington has a 4DX. Do they? I don't think we were doing it. The one in Warrington is like a. That's like a 4DX. That's like a flagship. That's a huge, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that was really the way to see it. Um there's the seats like when they're jumping. Or or whatever, do they tilt back so it makes you look like you're The seats the seats like they can move back and forward and left and right. And there are different things like when it when it's there's like a pan, like like kind of like a crane shot going down or up, the seat will move. So you like, like you won't, unless you're really paying attention, you don't really realize your seat's moving because the screen is moving at the same time. So you're just sort of.

1:29:21 You're in it. I wonder how that works. I wonder how they They program it to do that. Like during every scene, it must be already in the system. They just boink hits. They probably, there's probably someone they say, okay, we're going to have. This movie. You know, coming out in 4DX, they probably send it somewhere to be programmed. So, okay, there's a 4DX guy that says, okay, when it does this, we go forward. When it does this, we squirt. When we hit this, it's a minimal position. So yeah, and when we're doing here, we just have the seats rumble. Um yeah, I mean, it really is cool. I I I think the last time I went to a 4DX. Maverick was in 4DX I think. The time the time for you people, right, yeah. I didn't see that in 4DX. The last one I think I saw was. Kong. Godzilla vs. Kong. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that one, I was like a fucking wet rag. In that movie because I was I was so

1:30:23 Shaken about I wanted to start crying. I was in pain. I was in pain. And like I remember, I remember watching that the Kong movie thinking. Much longer. And it's in four seats. And I think there's a way you can turn it off. Bye. I was in, there were four seats. I was at the end, and there were two people on the other end of my same little row. So I couldn't turn it off where I'd be like, fuck you guys. I don't feel good. Like, Uh, but so I was just kind of like this movie gonna be hard! I don't like this. Are you actually crying? No, no, no, not really. But I I know I know Chris had it had a, not, not, not in a movie theater, but I know Chris had it had a. Instance where he felt like crying. It was when you were coming back from uh Was it Chicago?

1:31:25 And you're wearing when you're wearing Chris's Yankees jacket, and you were so hot on the plane. He forgot it because we all went to celebration and he forgot it and he left before us. And he goes, can you, can you bring my jacket? Because he lived in the area too. It was an expensive T jacket. Like that, those are like$300 jackets. Yeah, it was like an actual. And I don't know. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. I don't know why I wore it. on the plane. I don't know. I could have pa I don't think I could it could fit in my suitcase. I don't know. And I wore that the entire flight from Chicago to to Pennsylvania. How do you take it off? Cause you're sort of stuck on the seat. Yeah, as I sit down, I'm stuck. I can't get out. But if you were, if you were driven, if you have a window seat, if you had a window seat, if you're in the middle, you have to get up. It's a whole thing. I had I had Do you know when you sweat so much and you just feel it going down your back to your crack of your ass? That's how it was. You were like super uncomfortable, like two and a half, three hours. Yeah, it was the worst. I was like, it was, I was like, that's him work.

1:32:34 I wasn't gone. Yeah. No, I were all doing our own. You guys all left before me. I was, I was, I stayed back to sight. I remember like, I was still laying in bed. See you later, man. Yeah, then uh wearing a jacket. Then like an hour or so later I I I checked out and then I went to The art museum with like Ferris Mueller. But yeah, I know you were on that plane. So hot, so uncomfortable that even though you weren't crying. I was crying. I was deeply inside. I was crying inside, yeah. It's a similar luke, this will happen to you eventually one time where you're going to be so uncomfortable. That you, you're not going to cry, but you want to cry. But you want to cry. You just want to just release every. Yeah, you just. Want the world to know how uncomfortable you are. It will happen. For Chris, it was on the plane. For me, it was Godzilla versus Kong. Dave said that he saw something too. He goes, don't ever buy like a popcorn and drink. Because whenever, as you sit down, it just starts moving and you're spilling your drink everywhere. The popcorn's flying everywhere. It's like, it's not worth it. You can't, you really can't have a drink because there are two around. Is there a cup holders? There are cup holders.

1:33:54 But you but when it shakes, like let's say you just sat down and you have a full large soda. Right. That lid is gonna pop the fuck off. Oh, yeah. And and and yeah, well then you're gonna cry because you spent$25 for a fucking for soup and popcorn. Yeah. And plus the 25 to get in. And and you don't get to drink any of it. And you're going to leave all wet. And it's not because you're excited, it's because it's full of fucking tap. And everybody's like, pissed your pants. It's okay. I have to pee my pants. Yeah. So yeah, that was uh that was my fast and furious. Um Hi, I mean. Those movies I've never been gigantic fans of. This one was way more serious than anything else was. Way more, I'll say realistic, even though it's not. Right, right. But way more grounded than they have become. Cause they wanted there's.

1:34:56 Those V players. DVD, those VCR TV combos. The technology is funny. Yeah. Because, yeah, like someone. They're stealing an entire shipment of, well, it starts out, it's VHS TV combo sets. Yeah. Which is like, but back in the day, like 20 years old. That was gold. Now you wanted one of those DVD, the DVDs were just coming out. So you're like, oh, well, that's the future. So I guess when they did that, it's like, well, these will, this will still look current in five years and probably did. But when they, when they showed, like, they were on the computer, like showing all the technology, it was all like. Fucking like Netscape Navigator, you know, 2000 internet stuff. And it was, it was kind of funny to, to see how. How 25 years to progress where they're up in up in space in a car. Yeah. Yeah. Saving the world now. Saving the world now from terrorism and whatnots. Yeah.

1:35:57 Yeah. But all that that point break is, yeah, hello. Faster as it is, is is point break. Both cars. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's the same movie, just different stuff. I love them both. And point break, I mean, I had seen point break several times. When I was younger, I always had a crush on Lori Petty. She. Gorgeous and it's been forever since what 9091? What's that? She looks like Ellen DeGeneres. Some she looks like Ellen DeGeneres in that, like sometimes. And I don't know what this says about me, but I love Lori Petty, those blue eyes on that big screen. Yeah. It was just captivating. I mean, she looks nothing, you know, like that now. She's, I mean, she's she's she's aged into a mature woman. Uh but yeah, which like 10 girls point break. He was she was hot bag like, you know, not not Her looks, but like she was like in a lot of the big movies in the 90s and shit. Yeah. Yeah. She was like the it girl for about five years. Yes. Yeah. And then they moved on to someone else. Yeah. It was a what have we had? In the army now, which I loved her in Tank Girl.

1:37:10 Uh free willy, poetic justice, league of their own, point break, catalog man. Uh so she she had a run from 90 to A good five-year run. And then she was live wire on the Batman Animator series, The Voice. Was she really on Superman and Batman? Yeah, she played Livewire. And she's she's not a great voice. She's got a great cartoon voice. I don't know why she doesn't do more animated. Yeah. Tell Tim we've been making making fun of that guy at at the ending. See, Luke's Luke Luke is is is is a person when you hear something, it's for the next like three weeks, it's it's that same joke. All right. It's it's funny once. At the end of point break, Tim, when You know, when s uh piano goes Johnny Utah goes to rest Bodie in Australia. Oh, he's down there. Yeah, yeah. All right. And, you know, I'm not going to paddle to New Zealand, whatever he says.

1:38:11 And then he lets them go and all the cops come. And there's this one cap. Who just screams, don't worry, we'll get him when he comes back in. Just how he says it. And now Luke laughs. Every time I do that impression, every watch that look clip on YouTube and and then Johnny Utah says, you know, he ain't coming back. It's just, it's, it's Luke just is now laughing at that moment for next three weeks. It's in his head. We're getting when he comes back in. I don't know why. Yeah. And that, those are one of those things where, like, they have to kind of put that in there just so. I still think he could have survived it. You see him bouncing. But he said, no one has survived it. Yeah, but Bodie is the best. Swayze is out there surfing right now. Somewhere else. They did that. I'll tell you why they did that. They did that in the hopes of making a sequel. A sequel. Yeah. Don't kill. Don't kill the star. N The point break remake, reboot, whatever. You know what? I didn't hate it. I hated it. I loathed it. I despised it.

1:39:22 When did I work? 2015. I didn't, I didn't hate that one. I only saw it once, so I, it's been a really long time. Wow. Where did these guys all go? Edgar Ramirez, Bodie. Bracey, he's disappeared. Ray Woodstone dead. Uh, Teresa Palmer, um, she's kind of disappeared, you don't see her anymore. She was she was kind of like uh um Lori Petty and where she was pop she was popular for about five years and then she disappears. Uh, Max Thera, yeah, oh, James LeGros. He, yeah, he was. He he was uh he came back for this one. Yeah. Who direct who directed this one? Well, we're gonna give point break. I get point, I mean, I didn't even rate them. Point break for me. It's like a, it's like one of my, I think four points out of five. It's like one of my, one of my all-time favorite. Johnny, you know. Utah. Him too. Gary Busey. It's just a great, stupid action film. He was still creepy back then. He was creepy back then, yes.

1:40:32 I might have missed I might have missed something in. Uh fast and furious. I'm sorry to go back. Point break, point break is like 3.5. It's a fun movie. It is good. Super fun. And also that song at the end by Rat. Yeah, I love that song. That was like one of the last hurrahs of the of the hairband era. Um But uh Mm-mm. I missed something. Maybe maybe I got up to use the bathroom or something. Why why is the The police station in like a house. Oh, The Fast and the Furious? I think that's just that's undercover. Yeah. Those are the undercover. It's like a house that they don't want. It's like a house where you wouldn't resp uh not um you wouldn't suspect it to be a police station. It wasn't, it was just like a hideout house or whatever. Yeah, yeah, like like I was like, why are they gonna have like like why is he getting into a fight in the kitchen? It's it's like and what's funny is that when I see the

1:41:39 Um Put the Lucian in the basket. That guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's words. It's everyone's like seeing him. She's not a great big fat woman. Yeah, she'd be my fat person. We knew that. That's a furious parody. Super fast. Yeah, we watched that we watched that. It was like some on some streaming service is coming. They would be like, all right, we'll check it out. Alright let's where would you get fanned furious? The Fast and the Furious is is It it was the original and I love Paul Walker. Yeah, I really do. I will give that link, link. Maybe like Four and a half. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's not a perfect film. But still really entertaining. And Michre Michelle? Rodriguez, when they introduce her on screen, she gets out and she does that. Why? She is just a badass. She's hot as hell and she's a badass. Yeah. And uh Who was the other girl? Jordana Brewster. Jordana Brewster.

1:42:40 I can like Like she was, she was just like perfectly. Beautiful blue eyes, and she was tan. Yeah. I want to know this also. Yeah. But, but yeah, she was, she was just like dropped dead gorgeous. Still is. I mean, she's dropped dead gorgeous. Yeah. Want to know, okay, so they had uh They're their their restaurant slash market. Yeah, you only see it the one time. It's like, and then the rest of the movie, they're not there. Who's running the shop? Like it's supposed to be like teenagers. Teenagers. Like Toretto. Yeah, like that's that's that's his office. He just sits there. Was that like a yeah, was that like a Like um an auto mech auto mechanic shop and a coffee shop? I don't know, I thought I thought it was a no. Wasn't the like left side like a garage where they were I thought his garage was like behind the house that we saw, but Luke didn't see the actual house. That's right.

1:43:43 We won't buy and and and and Luz could be jealous. But yeah, Toretto's the coffee shop. Yeah, you never, that never returns. It's like, did it go out of business? Do they You know, what happened? What happened? They they were too busy saving the world. They were up in space. I mean, I can see, I can see how well they, like, they knew that. Uh Dominic was guilty and they went and they raided the place and shut it down. So maybe that's what happened. What would you give it to him? Um I didn't I I mean I don't I don't love those movies like you guys do. Uh I did enjoy it. I'm gonna give it I would give it like three points. Two five. Yeah, I mean, I did enjoy it. I mean, I can see why people love the movie and the ridiculousness of them as they as they get progressively crazier and crazier and crazier. I can I can see them. I can see why people like keep going back. Well, let's continue. Let's continue. Luke and I will say we we saw. You finish what you saw. Then we'll finish what we've both seen. Okay. How does that sound?

1:44:55 Well yeah, we'll we'll do ours first. Meaningly, yeah, you'll you you you. We'll c continue with the old movies Luke and I Saw T2. Was anniversary Judgment Day in 3D. We saw it on Judgment Day. Yeah, oh, yeah, we did. We saw Judgment Day on Judgment Day, August 29th. 29th. 29th. Yeah. Oh. Which was cool. They had an opening interview with James Cameron, Robert Patrick and Edward Furlong. Yeah. Um just you know Edward Furlong couldn't fit on the screen with the rest of them. He was enormous and he was like in a diner or or something. You know, he he said he was to come back. He wanted to come back. He thanked James Cameron because James Cameron's making the next Terminator. Yeah. Whatever. Uh you've heard me say this and I'll say it again. They just have to fucking give it up. Dying now. And stop it. There's a thing called a dead horse, and they are beating it. I will watch this dead horse. You will go see it. I'll go see it. I'll go I'll go see that dead horse and I'll and I will pet it um

1:46:00 Seeing this, this I remember worked in Tim and I, we were back in the day, worked at the theater, had a midnight showing. broke the cops came in the back door thought we broke into Fucking watch a movie or something. Was this uh Terminator? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was that was before I worked there. Oh, for real? Yeah, I was not there. I didn't. That was I did see that it at that theater, but that was Two years before I started working there. It was and is still one of my favorite Arnold films ever. It's the best, it's one of the best sequels to anything. It's just really soundtracks great. Soundtrack's great. Arnold's great. Linda Hamilton's great. You could be mine. Yeah, I mean, it's just a great movie. I love the whole shotgun thing. It's a movie that I will watch any day. It's fantastic. We saw it in. Which is actually kind of, it was nice. Like everything was like popping out at you and shit, and all it was good. When I When I think of that summer. that T2 came out.

1:47:02 Yeah. I think of Yeah. That's, I think of three things. Terminator 2, it was all over the place. You could, the TV, everything was Terminator 2. That Guns N' Roses song, You Could Be Mine, was all over MTV. You could that mean it was in heavy rotation that entire summer. And the extreme song. Um More than words. More than words. More than words and wholehearted. We're all over the radio. At that time. And so I think of Extreme Terminator 2 and The Guns N' Roses. So that was the summer of 91 for me. It was 91 was the year I graduated. So this is like a major. milestone in in in my life and all T2 is just, I met, I have on my poster what I got, buddy. I have the T1000. Sarah Connor, who mom thinks was her twin sister. Yeah, mom thinks it's her twin sister. No, it was, it was, it was the actual Linda Hamilton, all right?

1:48:09 Oh, you think you think she had Kelly thinks that that Linda Hamilton didn't want to go to the chore, so she sent her twin sister. No, that's not how it works. Have you compared autographs? No,'cause I don't know if her sister, who I think passed away. signs autographs or or sign that I mean I would but if you if you compare But the Hamiltons autographed your autograph. I didn't look into that. But no, Linda Hamilton was cute back in the day. She's a badass. And she was getting, she was. I didn't, when I was younger. I did not find her attractive at all. As I've gotten older. And I see her back in in In those days. And I'm way older than she was then. I'm way older now than she was then. I can see it. I'm like, ooh, yeah. I mean, she, cause she is like a hot badass. Yeah. I got who I got uh T1000, John Connor, Sarah Connor. I got Miles Dyson's son.

1:49:11 Yeah. Um And I got another person. Not in not on T2. You got him on your. But there is a scene. I think there is a T2 version out there, uncut footage. And a special edition. Yeah, of him in it. Yeah. That was, she was having a dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But um Art. T2s. Oh, eh. All the runtime this is funny. Luke last remember when the T1000 finally comes to the nut house and he walks through the bars, the bars, yeah. Okay. And he's shooting at at Arnold and Arnold using his body as a shield to protect John Connor, his soul connor, he's he's running with his arms up in the air. kind of it looks really bad. Any list. You laugh too. It is funny. All right, buddy. Let's bang up. And then you hate when he says, I need a vacation. I hate that. And then you always say, because in the movie, he's telling you, now I know why you cry. He's becoming learning the human traits. But you don't know what a fucking vacation is, first of all. It's that program to your system.

1:50:26 What's wrong with the buffy? What would you give it? Yeah. Oh, T25. Hell fucking here. Yeah, that's a that's a The easiest five in the history of fives. Yeah. That's the best five of fives. What did we s all right, buddy? It ends. We went to my first. What is my first? Our first? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our first scream unseen. Wh we thought it was gonna be buddy. Turn out to be it ends. Dave said, was it a letterbox movie? Was it Letterbox? Like, Didn't they say they letterbox was making their own movies and they put this out there in theaters? And it's Bad, it's boring, the it's about a road that never ends. And four people just have to just You know, drive, drive, drive, drive, drive. If you stop. People from the woods come out and start chasing, and they gotta keep driving, and then you drive and you drive and drive. And after a while, you go nuts, you go crazy. It's just it's it's it's not that good. I was glad when it when it ended. I did yeah.

1:51:29 I'm glad when it ends. Yeah, it did. It it's it is currently playing in theaters, but I was like, I don't really Want to see it. When I see it, and you see these kids, when I'm Look on the regal thing, and it shows like a little screenshot of the movie. And it says, It ends, it makes you think for a split second that it is a sequel to. It Because you see, yeah, well, at least that's what I think. Like, I think, wait, is this a sequel to it? I know it's not now, but Ted, are you smoking drugs? Well no, but we got T or Tours for Tim. You're stupid. You're stupid. Yes. Yes. We also saw Insidious, was that what's the full title? I have no idea. Oh, into what's into the further? Into the further. What do we say this is? Out of the further.

1:52:33 Well, no, because in the thing, there's another. It's out of the front. Yeah, insidious out of the further. Out of the further. It's just a continuation the sixth one sixth one I mean it's the same thing and it's some jump scares here and there. Some what's going on moments. I'm not watching. I haven't seen any of these. I'm not starting any now. Oh, for the part in the movie. That means you crack the fan. Yeah, there's there's there's dead people and then they're married in real life and they die and And she points somewhere and he's not pointing and then she like bumps him like, point you know, it's just like a old husband and wife thing. Yeah. It's just it was okay. I didn't Hated it. I didn't love it. If there's Insidious 7, I'll watch that. I only gave it two popcorns. Luke, what'd you give it? Two. Two. Frozen off.

1:53:35 Why? 'Cause it was the same guy in the same kind of horror. I was like, is this insidious? Is this conjuring? What's going on? Patrick Mark. Yeah, these these two are like the same to me. Yeah. It's a insidious conjuring paranormal activity. The same three fucking movies. Alright, what's this title? Camp Miasma. What's this one called? Seth with teenage sex. I don't know. Teenage sex and death. And uh at Camp Miasma. For the record, it has a 7.2 out of 10 IMDB rating. It's very different. It is a different movie. Lesbian, I mean lesbians. You guys are cool. Skully's in it. Skull. Kevin McDonald is in it. That is so funny. From the kids in the hall. That's I just saw his name there. It's a different movie. It's like it's like Scully was a Horror actress back in the day. And they're trying to revamp her franchise and they she goes to the

1:54:41 The writer goes t to where she's lives and they start talking. Shit's happening here and there. And then they fall in love and then they make out and Yeah, she did it for like a little back chair. There's a lot of comedians in this. It is like a funny Horror dark Comedy thing. It does say dark comedy. It listens. Dark comedy. Psych psychological drama, romantic epic, and slasher horror. Uh, is how it's how it's uh it wasn't for me, I didn't really. catch it and jump on board with it. But I wanted to see it. I mean, I want to see the same thing so bad because our theater. didn't have it the first week. Then I saw the nighttime shows the second week. I was like, oh, they got it. So we went, I'm like, oh. I thought it was going to be better. Maybe I think I had high hopes. It Uh yeah, it was only playing like nine it was played at nine fifty.

1:55:46 At night. Like I couldn't, I couldn't see it. At like a regular time. And I didn't, I didn't want to go at nine at 10 o'clock at night to watch a movie. Right. Even if Sarah Sherman's at it, I'm not. And I love I love Sarah Sherman. She's my favorite. She's my favorite SNL cast member. I think she's gone now. I think she left. Did Sarah Sherman leave? No. I I think she did. I'm never watching Saturday Live ever again. If I ever, the years. We saw The next one that we saw was the scream on scene again, our second time doing this, where we thought buddy was going to be the first week, but it was this week. Yeah. So you buddy. Buddy. Okay. I'm bringing it up so I can look at Super fun. It makes fun of like a Barney-style kind of kids' show. Where

1:56:46 It's like the whole movie is like episodes of the show, like little little clips, little hips. But but the the buddy characters Kind of weird and going nuts and and and killing kids. And then it's like it's funny, and then the kids start talking. Kid and Michael Key does the voice, yeah. Billy, oh, he went away. It's a stupid fun. It was a good time, and it was. Very different, but it still was Original. I guess. Yeah. I mean, you got Christine Cristin Milioti, who I like. She's in the pig one. Yeah. Patton Oswalt, Keegan-Michael Key. Yeah, a lot of good people in this the movie that all these people are in it. I watch a lot of talk shows and and and late nights. Not a single person has been on any talk shows to promote this. Uh they probably don't have the budget for it. Uh this looks like maybe it's not it's not

1:57:49 Village Road Show is It's not put out by studio, it's an independent. Film, but this is like what Dave does, you know how he counts. The opening Um Companies for movies. This had a lot. This had, it didn't hold the record. It was like six or ish or so. A lot of these independent. horror movies ha yeah, they have like fifteen. production partners. Yeah. And that's that that's when you know it's it's an oh boy. Here we go. Well, I mean, it's just, it's just. A lot of work. Is it it all has to do with like funding? You know, so let's say the let's say the movie costs$10 million to make. Someone will say, we'll give you$500,000. Another company will say, we'll give you a million dollars. So it's all just sources of funding and distribution and that kind of stuff. Well, it's funny because there's scenes where He no, he's he's a dinosaur. No, he's a unicorn. Yeah, he unicorns. But his ass is kind of thick.

1:58:52 Kind of big. Yeah. And these kids are in this well because they're trying to escape. And then he tries to get down there, but he gets stuck. So he hops out, gets a knife, and cuts off one of his side. Fat hips. But he's a Kind of thing. So he's cutting fur, but underneath the fur is like blood and organs and flesh. Yeah. It's just, it's a, it's funny. It's a fun. A fun romp. I may watch it one more time, but it's it's like it's it's and then at the a at the very end when this girl finally does find her way out and escapes blah blah blah. It's like it's kinda like the ring where she finds this T V set and climbs through and then she's in then like. Japan or something. She or was in Mexico? Somewhere. Yeah, she's in the another part of the world. But she walk runs down this hallway. on the on the on the on the in the hall there's a drawing of Buddy. There's two other ones. Two friends. So there might be two more of these unicorn things out there killing people, Terrence.

2:00:00 It's definitely worth seeing'cause it's just I knew I I did want to see it. It's just yeah, it was just Now it's playing at uh 10:50 at night. It's playing almost 11 o'clock. Jesus Christ. So it's like, no, no, no. No, that's that's way. That's unless you work, unless you can sleep during the day and then go see up all night. Sleep all day. That's right. Um yeah, no, I would I would fall asleep on the way to the theater. Maybe crash. Let me backwards a little bit. I'll give it two and a half. I give it 2.25. And the last one that Go to Tim's do other ones he saw? Well, we we'll do we got one more of us and he'll do all his. And then we got a few more that we both saw. The last one that we saw that Dave just watched, I think, too, was this colony. Mood, which Tim was surprised I even saw it because I know that you are scared. I was very intrigued. It's not it's it's the other one more. What's the other?

2:01:05 Asian horror movie coming out soon. Hope. Hope. How those that look very different and original. Yeah. This one It was about like this this outbreak, but got the only thing I mean you know the whole the whole movie I really enjoyed. Just the reading. I think the reading takes my eyes away from what's happening on the screen. You're always looking down. Yeah, like something's happening on the screen. I gotta look down and then read something back up, and whatever was just there, it's gone. I don't like that. It just takes practice. I guess so. I'm not used to that. Yeah. Yeah, it just takes practice. I mean, Yeah, I mean, that's all I can say. It just takes practice. It was, it was, though. Original, it was fun. Does Teb have the hearts for Asians? He loves Asian women. And if you're listening, what's your name? By link too. Yeah yeah. Um yeah, if you're listening if you're listening if we have if we have two listeners now.

2:02:08 Um It's it's a very I Pandemic, like the outbreak happens fucking fast. And it's, it's the colony. It's like it's it's like ants. Like like they're all realizing so they're connected. Yeah, like like like how ants act when they, you know, are in a colony is how these things things are acting. And the effect sometimes was was when they would attach to each other. How they would move. Yeah, how they would move and flip and their and their bones would snap around and break and everything. It was it was it was fun. Yeah. This is the one that we saw after T2. After we saw, which we're going to talk about soon, Dogstar, right? So Dogstar first. And then T2. And then after that, and I think it was this, which had damn. So I was kind of drowsy during this version. So I think I did conquer. You did, you did. I did conc a little bit, but I was still. Awake. Yes. Well, you guys are talking about much in kind of the trailer. silently on the on IMDB and I'm like

2:03:11 That then some of that stuff looks really cool. I don't know how these these people got possessed and how they would be on their back and they won they was like they would flip. Like these, these stun actors that were doing this was like, and then how they would run, then they would scream, they would all talk, they would all scream and they all connect. It was good. I gave it three. I was like, this is this is this is a good movie and all. Very good. Why change it? Whoops. tire the next day. Well, what when we saw that on a Saturday, I think on on didn't we just do something Sunday or we just stay home? So Sunday we went to Olive Garden. Yeah, for for mom's birthday. Yeah, I I was tired. Yeah, I I just wanted to stay home all day Sunday. But I couldn't'cause of the birth of of my wife. But um, all right, Tim, you finish up what you seen that we didn't see. All right. Uh I saw super troopers three. Nope.

2:04:12 Um I honestly don't. recall ever seeing Super Troopers 2. I don't think I ever saw Super Troopers 2. How are you going to enjoy part 3 to me? Well, yeah. So. I didn't I'm watching this and I remember seeing the first one and thinking it wasn't. Mm-hmm. It wasn't the first one, it was not funny. I didn't think it was funny. And um but that one is has like a cult classic. Like, in terms of like comedy content, I don't know why. I don't think it's funny. And I went and saw this, and you know, my 10-chuckle minimum: zero. Chuckles. I don't believe you. I don't believe you, Ted. I don't believe you didn't smile or chuckle once. I don't believe you. There was, there was not. There was not a single chuckle. at all. in the movie. Andrew Dismukes is in it. And he couldn't even

2:05:14 Give me the chuckle. Chase Crawford is in it. And he couldn't get me to smile. Oh, he faced the D and the boys, yeah. Yeah yeah. Not eat Kevin. Kevin Heffernan Not funny. The Broken Lizard guys have never, the only good movie they ever made was the original. The Dukes of Hazzard with Johnny Knoxville. And Seann William Scott. William Scott, yeah. That is the only one. All of their like Club Dread. Beerfest. All those movies all fucking suck. They're not funny. Okay. And uh Sucks. There's a guy in here who's in three movies that I saw. this this this time around. Uh let me let me bring up let me bring up his movies. Um Iqbal Sabah. And I believe that's his name? Okay.

2:06:16 I believe he maybe I'm getting it mixed up with someone else. Oh, I guess no, I guess he's not in the other things. There was a guy that was in two movies. but this is not the same guy. I think there's a guy in Mutiny and he was also in. Um the magical faraway tree. This is not. Uh there is there is a there are a scene there is a scene with with breasts. So If There's that. But this movie was not funny. It gets and they and they set it up for a Super Troopers 4, which I have a feeling they've already shot. I bet they've already I bet they shot these back to back to keep to keep production costs down. I give this point one when a point. Two. Popcorns, nipple nipple. It's gonna say for the boobs. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Uh yeah, this movie was shit. But One four comes out.

2:07:19 probably sit. Uh next movie. Do you think? Tim liked it, but he's just not telling us? No, Tim Tim's honest. I think Tim knows what's funny and what's not. Did see bus boys in there, and that is a funny film. A funny, funny film. Uh I saw I don't think this one got 10 shuckles. Uh, spa weekend I saw. Which I wanted to see this. This is something that I do want to catch down the road. Is I mean You would, you'll probably like it enough. Um I like Leslie Mann. Actually, I'll I like everybody in it. Um Leslie Mann. Isla Fisher. Who I mean it's kind of like Bridesmaids, where Isla Fisher was sort of like the loose cannon. Right. Leslie Mann, you know, is the Kirsten, what's the name? Kristen Wiig.

2:08:21 And uh Michelle Buteau. I think Michelle Buteau is funny. I've always liked her. And Anna Faris, who I've always loved Anna Faris. Yeah, both Anna Faris and Isla Fisher are funny in this movie, but I don't think I don't think I hit 10 shuckles. Danger. But uh but I mean I when you see it, I have a feeling you'll like it to a certain extent. I don't think you're going to come, you're going to. walk to the bathroom saying that movie was fantastic i'm going to go take a dump Okay. But it's you know It was it was okay. I I've always I've always liked the the the lead actresses in it. I went. Uh I would give this uh probably two Yeah. Okay. One and a half to two popcorns, somewhere in that. 1.75 popcorns. Um And I saw a movie that you said you will never see. Yeah, The Brink of War.

2:09:22 This is that Reagan's the seed the one in that it's Jeff Daniels as Ronald Reagan. It's made by Angel Pictures. Which I will see. You're going to see one angel. Finally, you're going to see an angel picture. I don't think you've ever seen an angel picture. No, it wasn't the other one that he was in angel picture. Ordinary angels? Ordinary angels. Was that an angel picture? Was that? I don't know if that was an angel picture. I don't know this. Uh I mean In terms of Historical inch it Interest I thought this movie was okay. You would fucking, you would fall asleep. That is why I know. You would be grabbing the door. Go into the theater and you would pass out from boredom. This door handle is boring. Yeah, the most boring door handle I've ever. Oh scene click me But yeah, I mean, it was interesting to see it. And it is.

2:10:25 What age on Angel Pictures, I do believe Angel Pictures is. Uh And I mean, it is a word and I don't and I don't mean it in a in a in a negative way. I do believe that it is sort of a conservative propaganda. Um Yeah. Production company. Like they they are making movies. That have A slant to them. They want to show you the idealized version of. classic conservatism. Right, right. And so And this and this is a prime example of it. Where it it shows like the best. The best of the best when it comes to uh the like conservative and republic republican ideals. and what it can do. And you know, and this and this is basically shows the beginning of the things that happened that eventually brought down Uh the Berlin Wall and communism as we knew it.

2:11:29 During the Cold War and ended the war. Is that seen in there? Gorbachev take down that wall. Is that in it? No, no, that that scene it that it does. That takes place after. The events in this movie. Sequel? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The broken war. No, uh like what what happened was I guess We had our Star Wars missile. Shield. Yeah. And Russia was They had Uh missiles pointed at the US. And so it was basically the US saying, stop it with the nuclear missiles. And they're saying, well, you stop it with your nuclear missiles and you stop it with. this with the shield. Because if we take our stuff down, then you can just attack. And so basically, it was, they were both talking about what they called mutually assured destruction. You know. you once they start launching on one it's just going to destroy the world they both know it And so basically it was it was just a de-escalation of that, but like how close it came to not happening.

2:12:35 But you would be so bored out of your goddamn mind. I'm bored now. Yeah. So I would give this. Uh, one and one and a half. One and a half. I will never need to see it again. Okay. Uh was there anything else I said? Is that everything? Nothing else. Is that everything that I saw? Feel free to tell us what you saw. one night that I'm jealous of. Oh, last night, oh yeah, I went and saw uh Braveheart. Yes, you did. Which I don't believe I've seen that in. At least 25 at least 25 years. I did see the theater. I remember seeing it. I had to go to the Tillman. To see it. It did play at our theater, I believe. Eventually, because when it I think I think when it got nominated for best picture, they brought it back and I think it did play at our But I when I wanted to see it during its Initial run, I had to go out to tell me to see it.

2:13:37 And um And I loved it back then. It is funny to watch it now because. There are there are some filmmaking techniques that are like really clunky. Like there's certain scenes, I don't know if it was just in this, that are out of focus. For real. Yeah, i and and and some of the some of the uh Edit cuts uh are are clunky. Um Yeah, and I honestly, I did not remember. at all. The whole opening where he's a kid. Um yeah, for real. I did that that was that been completely erased from my mind. Okay. But uh but no, that movie's that movie's freaking fantastic even with its I never saw it. It's a movie that I still, and I'm shocked that, you know, me of all people hadn't shown my own son Braveheart yet. And I keep saying that's. That's on our list. Every time he wants to watch it, it's a, you know, it's like, I don't know, late or something, or it's like, I can't watch it now. It is a, it is, it, it is a three-hour movie. So, yeah, yeah. But it's, it's, it's, it's fantastic. Yeah, it was.

2:14:43 Regal is doing their month of month of classics. So tonight they were showing. Um, streetcar named Desire. I don't, I don't know what else is on the list for the month. I'll have to look that up. But yeah, no, I went and saw it last night because I wanted to see Buddy. That's right. But it was full. Like He uh like the the the theater that it was playing in. Thinks I looked at the, I looked at the, they have the, you know, the little seat numbers on the outside. Yeah. It seats 47 people. I'm sorry, 37 people, 37 people in that theater. And uh and it was Almost every seat was taken. I was like, oh, no. Well, that's when I've never done these. scream unseen moves, whatever they're called. And when we saw Buddy. I was packed. It was like watching Infinity War. It was packed. I just didn't get it. Do they have a special where the tickets are cheaper and then you can also get...

2:15:44 Like at Regal, the tickets are cheaper. It's like a$9 movie or something like that or$8 movie. And you also get a seven or eight dollar concession combo. No, I don't think they have to. The tickets are cheaper. Is there a combo for food, though? I don't know. I don't know either. So yeah, since I have Regal Unlimited or the the the crown club or whatever. You do get a discount on concession. So you get a small drink and small popcorn for like seven or eight dollars. Total? Yeah, no. So it's an inexpensive night out. And people. They for us it's It's, they tell you what it is. It's like it'll be like, they call it the Monday Mystery Movie, and it'll say horror edition, or it'll tell you if it's rated R or rated PG or what have you. But they're almost always. sold out. Yeah. It was weird because we we saw, what was the first one we saw? Um it ends.

2:16:46 And then we went back to next Monday to see Buddy And we saw like Six to ten of the same people that we saw the following week. Previous week, or actually, of the same people. I think they must go there every Monday night to see. It's something to do. It's it's even even when it comes to like movies viewing, it's an inexpensive way to go to the movies and have a good time. I was shocked. I think people were just curious. And it's funny because when we saw when we saw It Ends, we all wanted it to be buddy. And then there's a trail where Insidious, and here people go, oh, it's it's it's not that. And something else stupid. And then up came Buddy, and the crowd went, aww. Yeah. Cause that's a way of knowing it's not gonna be Buddy. Well um I found that very rarely is it a big movie. It's usually A smaller movie that they want people to talk about.

2:17:49 So it's a movie that people go in afterwards. They're like, oh, yeah, I went and saw, like, one of the first ones I saw was like the boys in the boat. And then. But one of the times I went, it was something that was a big movie. The Last Jurassic Park, like a week before it came out. It was like, that was, that was, yeah, I was shocked that you were like, yeah, and even you were shocked. Yeah, I was like, I forget what I thought it was going to be, but I was like, oh, Jurassic Park, okay. Um yeah. So Those those movies are really kind of cool because you do get to see. You know, you get to see a new movie. for cheap. cheap uh and in in my case you get cheap concessions And you get to tell people, oh yeah, I saw such and such. It comes out next week. It's really cool. We're down to our last three. Thank you for handing in there. Gang guys, sir. Yeah. We have three more to go. We saw mutiny.

2:18:51 Yes. Oh, well, I didn't like they uh yeah, I don't like Tim's responsor. This movie, okay, well, yeah, I think hear me out. Jason Statham is the younger Liam Neeson now. Every movie is the same. However, I still enjoy the dumb movies he makes. Is it what's that say about me? I just enjoy Statham. Taking action. Yes. I don't care about story, plot. Whatever. Just him doing what he does, which is all he does, is this. This was die hard on a cargo ship. That's it. Yeah. I'm looking at the All the movies he's made in the past five years, which I think 20 Shelter was last one, I think, right? 2021, Wrath of Man. The f9. Operation Fortune, Fast X, Meg 2, Expendables 4.

2:19:54 Beekeeper. This is where it starts now. B shelter. Shelter. Mutiny. Yeah, they're all the same. They're all the same movie. Working man, beekeeper. Are exactly in this and Mutiny, almost all they're almost all the same. And Beekeeper 2, I think, is in the works. Yeah. I liked Beekeeper. I thought Beekeeper was cool and I liked Working Man a lot. Uh I thought Wrath of Man was cool. That's isn't is that the one where he was the bank robber? I I think so, yeah. He used to park across the street and and watched the bank for hours, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank yeah, this thank for everybody. This movie was fun. He's a stupid he's he's a bad actor, but when he looks at you and kicks your ass and he fucking that harpoon gun, I screamed at him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's he's yeah he he's I'll say this.

2:20:56 He's like Chuck Norris. Where Those Chuck Norris movies that he made back in the 80s. We're all just kind of like Whatever fucking movies. They were all like, they were the same fucking movie every goddamn day. And he got a paycheck and that, and he went off to the and and and those are those are these these are all enjoyable. I none of these movies that I said over the past five years. Out. Bad movies. No, they're just fun. They're fun to watch. Because he's just like, Like e I I know I g I groan when when when I said mutiny. It's still like you go see. He's like Gerard Butler. Like you go, you go and see those Gerard Butler movies. Greenland 2. Yeah, and one. Uh yeah, no, it's uh so I I He has five upcoming movies. Let's see what they're called. Oh, they want more titles. Uh John Doe. Fast forever. Viva La Madness. That sounds fun.

2:21:59 Beekeeper 2. Yeah. And something here, which I'm kind of curious, I'm going to click it on it. Jason Statham stole my bike. Did hear about this movie and nobody else in this movie I have not heard any of these people's names. I am hoping that Beekeeper 2 has like a colon: Beekeeper 2 getting stung. Or beekeeper to a lesser boogler. Yeah. The honey. David Leitch is directing. Jason Statham stole my bike. But he directed Bullet Train. Uh Atomic Blonde. Hobbs and Shaw. Oh shit. The fall guy. Oh my god. All kinds of my films. All kind of action films. The Deadpool 2. Uh so I have a feeling that that's going to be a fucking We're going to all pop boners over that movie. Over Jason Statham's Steeling Bike. Yep.

2:23:03 Um How many popcorns blue glutes would you give it? Begin with three. Tim, how were you? Uh two two point five. I think it was four. Oh my God. Like I said to him, I get my two words for you. You're dumb. I love I love these these these kind of movies. I mean, yeah. I I Part of me was like, Thought I was going to not see this movie. I thought I was going to miss it. Well that's what we did with with with shelter. We we just missed it and I haven't seen it. I don't think I saw shelter. Did I see shelter? I don't think I did. Yeah, with the woman with the girl. Yeah, okay. Let me look. Let me look here. He's protecting a little girl, I think, or something. Yeah, I don't think I saw that one. I think that one, I think I just completely missed that one. Bill, yeah, Bill Night, no, Naomi. Yeah, no, it's on something now, isn't it? It's only those transporter ones are fun. Those are you can watch it on stars. It's on stars, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But we don't have stars.

2:24:06 Caitlin came up here for Mother's Day. We're going to Knoebels. Knoebels. And we and she wanted to watch Michael. And I have it. But then just for Shiza Giggles, I went on to, you know, to Michael and it says stars is play free for me. I'm like, how? So I played it. We watched it through stars. We never had stars. There was no ads. It was just like, maybe it was like a free trial. Maybe you're going to start paying for it in a week. You're going to have a seven-day free trial. Oh, boy. But I'm gonna grab a beverage right out. I'm arched football. Tim's mouth is very dry. He needs to wetten his mouth. He needs to moisturize his mouth. What's he getting? What's he getting, Luke? I think he's just kidding. Water. I think like some kind of coke. Soda? A soda. I don't know. Yeah, yeah um

2:25:08 Yes. I wanna s I wanna think it's a and I'm back wait wait okay hold on to it Do you think it is? Luke and I are betting. I think it's water. Luke thinks it's a soda. Tim? What is it? Innovative, it is a Roger Grand. Cherry cola zero sugar. I lost a bit. Um What was the matter between us? Did you guys bet? We didn't read him there either. Um Two more to go. Both of these came out this past weekend. Movie that was filmed. Four years ago? It's from 2022. Yeah. And pulling the show. Warner Brothers, Coyote vs. Acme. When we first heard about this production or being made, I was like, this is a perfect idea. And then it got showed and like, ah, shit, we're never going to see it. Then the fans complained and shit happened and it's out there.

2:26:10 And I'm so glad it is because it's exactly what I what I thought it was gonna be and it was fun to watch. Yeah. Um This movie I I think it was a mistake for them to shelve it. Totally. Totally agreed, Tim. But I I mean, I mean, I kind of knew it wasn't going to be the greatest movie ever made. It's not better than Roger Rabbit, first of all. No. But it is a fun movie to see. Uh I I'd I'd be curious Like if we were able to like go back in time and change time. To see how it would have done had they. released it. Would this have been an HBO Max thing or would this have been A theatrical release. I was thinking more of streaming. I think for some reason, I thought they were going to push. Cause like. Wonder Woman 2? Wasn't right the fucking Streaming, I think. No, no, that was M Theaters.

2:27:13 Were you streaming and theaters at the same time? At the same time? They might have done because that came out that came out what, Christmas 20. 21, 2020. But we watched it at home for the first time. Yeah, I swear to God. I was at the theater, I was on Christmas Day. I watched it. Maybe, maybe, yeah, maybe we just said, fuck it, it's homeless to just watch it at home. I saw that at the theater. It was. The theater was supposed to be uh limited seating, but it was still packed. Um but that happened that that happened um There was a bombing. here in Nashville. There was a guy who blew himself up outside the AT&T. Transmitter downtown about two blocks from where I work. I remember this story. And it knocked out communication. So on Christmas Day, I had no Nobody, nobody could get a hold of me because I had no idea. cell service. I had no cell service. I had no internet.

2:28:16 Nothing. Um so for that whole day, there I there was nothing I could, I couldn't like call anybody say, Happy Christmas. Um for that entire day because of the bombing that was right right around the corner from where I worked Um But yeah, that's where I saw Woodworth. I think that this whole point of this movie is everything that himself is this the movie you saw late at night and you fell asleep 10 10 saw it slice, but only remembered seeing it. But I really only saw it once. Right. Yeah, I had it was. I had been working all day. It was like I worked like that. 11 to 7 or something like that. Right in the middle of the day, yeah. And I went and it was like an 8:30 screen, which isn't very late. No, when you worked on that, and as soon as you sit down, you're like, but yeah, I sat down and just went and basically after. About 10 minutes into the movie, like he had just gone to to the lawyer and I just sort of concked out.

2:29:21 And I was just sort of like fading in and out. So I'm like, oh, John Cena. Oh, oh, they're in court. Oh, they're so in Washington, D.C. It was kind of like that. And I got to the point where I was like, I'm going to have to come back. And I just finished the movie. I think it was a great idea of everything happening to the coyote. The whole when we went when we sat down at Turner Cayago. What do you want? Like, what's gonna make this? Cause she's a big Looney Tunes fan. What's going to make this happen? She said she wants Bugs Bunny's voice to sound like Bugs Bunny. Like a lot of them in the past don't sound as she said he was okay, but it still wasn't as. Bugsy as You want it. I said I wanted, he better not talk. Don't have the curry talk the carry talk, unless he's t talking to that dog, sheep dog. Morning, Roger, whatever they say. Have him and he didn't talk. And I said, I gotta see the Wile E. Coyote genius business card, and it was in it. Sold.

2:30:24 There are For longtime Warner Brother animation fans, this movie delivered. Like, it really was. A lot of I d I you know, I I complain about nostalgia. Right. But I think doing fan service for the sake of like making a few Fucking cry babies happy. Right. It's stupid. This, I think, is the way it should be done. Callbacks to things that you loved, but without having it. Be the center of Focus. Like the main focus. Yeah, because I think all the cases, you know. Did your parachute blow up? Did you do? And they're showing the old cartoons that it happened to him. They didn't reshoot it, redo it, redraw it in 2026 time. It was the old animation. From Free ling, whatever cartoons that you're like, oh my God, there's the, I wanted the whole bat wing, the whole bats thing that he did. I want everything, and it everything was perfect.

2:31:31 They did I they did such a good job. I mean It really was a fun movie to see. Um There you go. For them to choose Porky pig movie over this one? Yeah. To release? Yeah. Because that porky pig movie. Didn't they make it exist for tax purposes to make something or money? Something like that. Like, like it was a tax write-off. So they could say, okay, we put this much money into this movie. $100 million, so it would be a tax credit. So they so they would it would they would count as a as a loss. So they wouldn't pay taxes. Take they would be able to scrub a hundred million or whatever off of their. And the only thing that it's it made 15 million, which isn't a lot, but they're saying that it may it's making money, it's making more than they thought. And now the only thing that has my fingers crossed is Batgirl, yeah. It's like that's on a shelf. Somewhere. Release that. Even if it's streaming, just put it out there. Have the fans decide and judge it. You know what I mean?

2:32:40 Yeah, um I mean, I would watch Batgirl. I would prefer to take release in theater. Warner Brothers would have to do a similar thing to this because even though it said Warner Brothers at the beginning. This is distributed by Other companies. It's the Warner Brothers. Doesn't I don't think Warner Brothers has much of a stake in this. I heard Will Forte was on a bunch of podcasts about it. He was saying that there's this company called Ketchup. A movie company that Ketchup bought the rights. to it and thanks to them they put it out there. Yeah, something that I'm part of, the Legion M. which they have a stake in this too. They they they put out They help distribute and finance and movies. A lot of times, Legion M does they'll put money towards. already made movies like independent films and help get them on. screens and stuff. So they had something to do with this one as well. But it was. And two, during the movie, you leaned over and you said,

2:33:45 You you love John Cena. I d I don't think I said that once. No? Uh yeah, I think you were on a sign and held up. I yeah, I didn't no one heard me. I he was okay. He he was it's okay. He's not he's in everything. I just I'm not a fan of him. That's it. Tim, we hate John Cena. No, you love him. Every time now, there was a point in your life that you love him, love, love, love him, love him. And I always said, I hate him, I hate him, hate him, hate him, hate him. Now you're trying to say, I hate him too because I do. It's okay to love it. But you, it's okay to love Cena. I love Cena. Listen, I'm going to open my door right now. I love Cena. I just let my entire In the neighborhood, now I like him as Peacemaker. I like him as Peacemakers Farm. I do like him as Peacemakers. All right. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go to the. John Cena filmography. And I'm going to go. Oh my God. I'm just going to go the last. John's CN in character. Let's see. Okay. No, no.

2:34:46 Pastor John Cena. Alright. Uh h his last few movies. Go ahead. Cody vs. Uh I almost said coyote versus ugly. Yeah. Coyote versus Acme. Good. Little Brother. I didn't see it. It's on. I do want to watch that still. It's on some. Same thing. Peacemaker. I have not seen Season 2, but I do like it. I like it. Very much, actually. Very, very much. It is very, very fun. Uh has a super Oh, he was he was in Superman. Yeah, he was Peacemaker and I forgot about that. Uh wow, there's a lot of it's, I mean, there's a lot of WWF stuff here, right? Jackpot. And didn't see it. I heard of that, didn't watch it. Did you watch that? I don't think we did. Ricky Stanicky, which you saw. Yeah. Yeah. That's alright. Argyle, he had a small part in that. I that movie was like just okay. But it wasn't the, it wasn't because of him.

2:35:49 Uh freelance. I don't know. No. It sounds familiar. Oh, that's with Alison Brie. You love her. I don't think I saw that. Yeah, Alison Brie. Yeah, that that's something Fuck it. It's too much to get through. Exactly. You know why? He's not that good. Well, no, what it is, is he's got everything. He's got him on like TV shows and all the WWE stuff. Like it doesn't just say WWE it's like The different special like Made in America, Backlash Tampa, Monday Night Raw, WrestleMania 42, SmackDown, Saturday Night Main Event, Survivor Series, NXT. Clashing pair, like like it's I just have to go through all of those. That's just twenty, that's just 2025. And I and I I love Wipeout. And then he hosted it. And I was like, I can't like it. Like there's so much.

2:36:50 Oh, vacation friends, I remember that. Oh, he was Rocksteady in Mutant Mayhem. I forgot about that. Barbie, he was a Ken. Yes, he was. Was for the eight seconds. Yeah, yeah. He was a mermaid camp. He's he's got a lot of stuff. Vacation friends one and two, yeah. Anyway, how many hay popcorns would you give it, Tim? For this, uh three three point seven five. Not quite a four. I got a C.75. Alright, this is what was the last movie that we were all Almost close, end of Oak Street. Yeah. We each gave this movie. 3.75. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. That's it. You guys aren't as dumb as I thought. Yeah, cover a green with tip. The last movie, finally, two hours and some change. Later maybe. Ridley Scott's biggest bomb. And it's sad, dog stars.

2:37:53 That uh Dog stars? The dog stars. The ends of the names. Yeah. Yeah. With Keanu. With Keanu Reeves now. The the dog stars. Take a billy, um Danius was the guy. Josh Brolin? Josh Brolin. Like What was it, 2035? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it takes like ten years in the future something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what happens to like viruses and, you know, illnesses Um I didn't think it was that bad. That yeah, everyone's saying that it's it's Horrible. I enjoyed it. Yeah. It's not great. But I did have fun watching it and It's the it's it's the cast. Yeah. But even her. What's her name? Margaret Qualley. Margaret. I love Margaret Qualley. I love her so much. I love her. I love her mom. Yeah, I love it. I love her dad who made love to her mom and made her. Yeah. Yeah. This is a movie that I kept seeing the trailer, and I kept saying that movie is going to be boring.

2:38:58 Right. And what do you think, Tim? I don't think it was boring. Time saw it today, actually. Yeah, by the way. Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. Right about an hour before. We started, I had I got out of the movie. I had to go to Walmart to get some stuff for my car. They came here and I got on to do the show. Um I I I went and saw it. Um If It started out exactly what I expected. I expected it to be. like a um walking dead without zombies. That it was like The Last of Us, too. We kept on saying The Last of Us Walking Dead style. Yeah. So it's definitely not. It's not a. It's not original. Yeah. And even freaking Guy Pearce. Who I love Guy Pearce. It is based on a book. You know what's weird, though? Is Tim, I never liked Guy Pearce. I don't know why. I never liked him. But in this movie? Fucking adored him. Yeah, guy. I like Guy Pearce. He's he's one of those guys. He was the movie he was in. Like he was like the lead action star or the leader. There was that memento. Um

2:40:05 Oh yeah. He that he was the bad guy in Iron Man Three. Uh yeah, LA Confidential, which I LA Confidential is kind of like this where I, the fucking movie, I'm like, I don't want to see that movie. And then when I finally saw it, I'm like, oh my God, that was a really good movie. Yeah, yeah, I do like him. I just never was drawn to him. But this one here, I thought he was. He was he was great. Fantastic in this. I uh So it started out, and it was like, it was exactly what I expected. It was just like, all right. So here they are, they got to protect themselves from this. And then it started to get a little wacky, like. It almost like turned into like the fucking Warriors where Like all these different gangs of scavengers, and we're all coming, and they're all dressed the same. Like these guys the the the one guys all look like they should be in the frickin War Road Warrior. Well that's the kind of thing. I I kinda liked how they're like in groups now, like like like clans. I did like the whole Road Warrior feel. Like like they're just like this is

2:41:07 The evolved to the to link to that. kind of species and a group. For storytelling, it's easy because it's like, okay, you can immediately look at someone and say, that's a bad guy. You know, if they all look like, like, if we're talking about visual storytelling, you could tell that, oh, those guys look very different than these guys. Those guys are bad guys. And so, and they and when they went out to Guy Pearce's farm, all those people look like They made them look like Native Americans, like the other ones look like Road Warrior skinheads, what do they call them, like happy boys or proud boys or whatever. Um Then they get in the plane and they go to Castle Rock or whatever it was they were trying to get to. And then it got weird. Well that as soon as as they got to that area I was like, something's a fuck yeah. Something isn't right. But I kinda liked. It it was so futuristic, like like Last of Us and Walking Dead, like I liked Areas aren't what you what you think they are. You know what I mean? And I like that that they were gonna get raped or eaten or mauled or or something and it was just a different twist.

2:42:16 And that that was kind of like uh that one. series of episodes in um Uh Walking Dead where they they go to the what is it the terminus? Terminal or the term where they go there and it's the cannibals. Yeah, yeah. Although they didn't say that there were cannibals, but you knew. Yeah. Yeah. But they get there and like, oh, she's a doctor. Hey, would you like to marry a doctor? Yes, I would. Yeah. That whole thing was just kind of surreal. Like, okay, they're in an airport. Yeah, they're playing the whole airport theme. They're weird. And then it just, it kind of, it was almost like Snowpiercer. Like, Like she's dressed up as a stewardess. Tan in flight attendant. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of like that. It was just sort of like. It was just sort of like goofy. Um but that actually took me took me out of it a little bit. I'm like oh yeah.

2:43:19 And then and then when they get back, you know, they go. I thought he was going to fly into the side of the mountain because he said that he was going to. Well, that's the thing. That he was so sad and distraught that his wife and daughter died. And then he kept on saying, I want to crash this mountain. But now he has purpose. Yeah. Like now he, I don't know, he's falling in love with her now and a little bit. He has nobody. And I really. They killed a dog in this. Which I'm shocked. That never happens. You never, you never kill the dog. As soon as I heard the yelp, I'm like, well, maybe the dog's just stabbed and it was fine. But no, when he buries it, it's like, oh boy. No, no, that dog's not getting out of that. No. And it was, it was, I don't know. I thought it was a good movie. I love Josh Brolin. Josh Brolin was great in this. And you got to see him in his underwear. And he's for being in his sixties and fifty-sixties now? Yeah. He looks good. And I thought for certain that Guy Pearce was gonna die.

2:44:22 And honestly, I think they probably should have killed him. Well that's the thing is that I I think I I s yeah, I think you're right. He could have lived or died and it wouldn't have changed anything in his Had they yeah, had they I thought he was going to die when they were taking off. Either either taking off from His farm when they're being chased by the the the Indian looking people or when they were escaping from the the the airport. Like he could have, he could have been shot and died and we would have had that moment. And then That would have given Jacob Elordi, like reason A, he's got to take care of this girl. And B, he loves her. And she's giving him A reason to live. Right. That I it would have worked, but instead Guy Pearce lives to stair. Yeah, he he was good. I liked everything about it. It's it's not great, but it's a shame that it made nothing. And it's it's gonna bomb and and flop and his biggest flop of his career and shit. Well, and they were and they were trying to push it as an IMAX movie. I'm like, I'm like, really? This? I mean, I could see there were, there were some sweeping.

2:45:35 sweeping shots of like the city and the the mountains and like it was a scenic movie but If I had paid $23 or whatever it costs to see an IMAX. I would have been pissed. Well, why don't they just like he kept him going home to his old place? And getting medicine or seeing his wife's picture, why not just stay there? Like, why are you? 'Cause are you scared you're gonna get attacked? Well, I I don't think he wants to be alone. I think he just wants those moments. So he doesn't want to be alone. He also has a responsibility with. Uh Danus. Yeah, with Anos. So, yeah, there's that. He has something that's keeping him. keeping them there. Well how many popcorns would you give? The dog stars. Uh, two. Two. So look. I go to three. I give a 3.25. I like Jacob a lot and I like Thanos.

2:46:37 So let's just say this: out of the whatever 25-ish movies that we talked about, only one. We had the same ratings. I thought there were two. I thought there were two movies. It was close. No. It was the other one was NAOK Street. It was like 3.75 and 4. It was. There, it was Coyote. Was exact rating for all from all three of us. Okay. Sam? The episode was fucking long. Was a long episode. Uh should we see what's coming out? Yeah, let's see what's coming out. Hold on, let's see. A release calendar. So hopefully. We can see something. Something in the next a bunch of Hopefully we'll have, let's just say by the maybe the end, beginning of October. Yeah, by October 1st, let's hope that we have. 'Cause today's what? The third. Third. Third. Okay. So we'll just shoot for the the beginning ish of the month. We s we we say that now. So this would if we weren't recording tonight, this is the movie I would have went to see tonight.

2:47:39 Uh by any means. with Wahlberg. Oh yeah, we're seeing that over Saturday. Yeah. Uh onslaught, which I do want to see. That looks fun. I think I want to watch that too. Tom and Jerry, Forbidden Compass. No, I saw the trailer. I'm good. It's the Mattel Jerry. Hope comes out next on the ninth. That's the other Korean movie. Yes, that's the one I want to say. That's probably going to be. Ooh, this pack will be Monday night. It comes out on the ninth, like next weekend. Uh yeah. When what day what day is the ninth? The ninth is a Wednesday. So yeah, we'll probably have like a They'll probably have like with it like an early screening on the nine. Maybe it'll be like this. Uh uh screen unseen maybe or the money. Uh Practical Magic 2. I'm not going to see it. I forget part one. So the first, they actually brought the first one back in theaters last week.

2:48:43 And I considered I'm like, well, maybe I should see it. If I see it, then it'll give me a reason to see Price Manager too. I didn't. I the the the the draw for me for practical magic. A Nicole Kidman, for being almost 60, she looks fucking. Amazing. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like, I would just be like, va-va-vum. Uh, and and Lee Pace is in it, and I love Lee Pace. Uh he plays like the male lead. Um What else is there? The runner comes out on the 11th. Yes, reacher. Reacher. I'm done. Take my money. All right. All right. So you have a choice. That weekend, you have the uprising with Andrew Garfield. Or the runner with Alan Ritchson? Which do you see? Well, we're both. We're saying the runner first, probably like on a Friday night thing. And then we'll make the other one and yeah. And I heard that rumor that that's like a like a A Robin Hood? Origins, yeah. It's like supposedly, it's a story that inspired the story of Robin Hood.

2:49:48 Um there's the fix, which I kind of want to see with Liam Neeson, and Zach. Uh Zach Levi. Yeah, Trero looks like the same. Yeah. Resident Evil, which I do want to see. Done. Yes. It's got Paul Walter Hauser, who I never miss anything that he's in. The same guy who made weapons made this. Yeah, I think it looks different than what we're used to of the other movies. The Wait with Ethan Hawke and Russell Crowe. That looks good. Yeah. Uh there's nothing really like like a big one that's all just this Sid here and there. What's that? It's the clay nation Shaun the Sheep. Nope. Oh, the Wilds and Grammar, people? Yeah. No, I'm good. Tim, did you get your tickets for the Avengers: Endgame re-release? I will get that on the day after I go see it. I don't get that. Good luck in search for that. I'll trust me, I'll get seats. There's four minutes of new stuff. Four minutes, Tim, four minutes. I'll get seats. Don't you worry about me. Okay.

2:50:57 Uh september 25th, Heart of the Beast. with a Brad Pitt dog and Brad Pitt done. Take my money. Oh my God, I cannot wait for that. I am really, no, I am being serious. I am so excited at seeing that movie. I really am. Do you want me to come and say, hey, how you doing? Enjoying that popcorn, enjoying that soda there? He's like, who's that sitting next to you? Luke? Is he your son? How old is he? How old are you? Yeah. You're free to live. And then I'm going to run out of the theater and get tackled by four cops. You're free to leave anytime. Uh Forgotten Island. That is definitely a movie that I'm so tired of seeing the trailer for. What's that one? You're silent. That's the animated one with the two girls. Oh, yeah. Don't you fuck it up, I mean. Yeah. Uh that's uh Charlie Harper.

2:52:00 with Emilia Jones. Stunt driver with Jay Baruchel No, I'm not sure. Jay Baruchel, Ed Helms, Ben Foster. Stuck driver. I wonder what that's on. That's probably a streaming one. Hot, hot Sam, take your booty. What is that? It's it's uh it's a uh it's a Chinese movie featuring a She wants to become a dancer and she gets like. I guess she li she lives a conservative Shawnee's life and she meets this dancer and then she gets it's kind of like how Stella got a groove back but Chinese them saying it. I'll see it. I do w I see the trail and I think the I think the trailer looks looks looks good. Uh uh uh Terrifier 4 on October 1st. That's a must. And there's another. That's when we're going to have our next episode drive. Yeah. Well, and then October 2nd. This is another movie that I'm tired of the trailer. And I never thought I'd say this. digger. Well, there's different trailers. I mean I don't mind seeing like other ones, but the same one is getting kind of old, yeah. That that first one where they basically I mean I it's it's kind of funny how they're how they're promoting this.

2:53:15 They're saying they start out by showing you, hey, you, even though you say you don't like Tom Cruise, you love Tom Cruise. Look at all these great Tom Cruise movies. And guess what? He's got this one coming out where he plays something you don't know what it is. And then the new one. Is just kind of like, look, it's Tom Cruise and he's being wacky. Yeah, come and see this weird, wacky Tom Cruise. And that's kind of what the whole trailer, because it doesn't really, you don't really know what's going on. And they look like a surrealist like all the shots are like weird everybody's making funny faces and stuff Um I think the movie will be fine, but I'm sick of that damn trailer. Yeah, but guess what? We'll be watching it over the weekend, right? I'll be there. That's the only thing we're. Oh, and then Verity with Anne Hathaway, Dakota Johnson, Josh Hartnett. I can't wait to watch that. Kel's reading the book. I think she's actually. Done it, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So So yeah, that's everything that's coming out in the next month. All right, well, hopefully we'll get it. Michael Showalter!

2:54:19 directed that. It's a, it was a second. It said, wow, I would have thought Michael Showalter is usually does like these kind of like. Sweet, goofy comedies. And I did not know that. This was Well Maya's the director on this. Anne Hathaway in the mood in the trailer. I don't want to know anything from Cal, so I don't ask. She looks paralyzed. Yeah. But she's an author. But every once in a while she moves. Dakota Johnson sees her looking at her and moving. I think she's just faking it. She's faking it to make a story, to write a book. That's what I think this whole thing's about. I don't know that. Anyway. Michael Showalter, this I'll I I'll go through his his movies that I that I like. Uh He did. Eyes of Tammy Faye, which I enjoyed. He did embrace uh Uh The Big Sick, which I enjoyed. Hello, my name is Doris, which I I loved that movie.

2:55:24 The Baxter, which I think is great. He wrote the Wet Hot American Summer movies. Uh, he did, he did, wrote a lot of the comedies that I really like. Yeah, he, he's, he's fucking awesome. I'm gonna see that movie now. Well, I guess is that is that a wrap? Are we are we? Finally done. Well, all right. Well, thanks for hanging in there, everyone out there, for listening for this three-hour episode. Yeah, tell us to. All right. All right. Luke. All right. I will. I'll I'll I'll say I'll say hey Luke and you say hey Tim, okay? Yeah. Hey Luke. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What are you new to this show? Can't you do anything? I said, hey, Luke, and you go, yeah, I go piece of popcorn. And then you go, hey, Tim. I heard you say, You go, hey Luke. They'll hate Tim. Which, which, which, which meant I do hate Luke, you respond, yeah, piss popcorn. And then you go, hate Tim. Okay. That's what I meant.

2:56:31 I didn't say I didn't mean to say literally say hey Tim after I said that. All right, ready? Hey Luke. Yeah. Bobcorn. Mm. Item. Yeah. Passive popcorn. Philip. They crippled. Oh shit. Yes. Yes, sir. Wait, is this used popcorn now? Yeah, but could you please plastic some penana all fruit? Yeah. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time! On PG Dave! You know me! Thanks for listening to Pass the Popcorn. Pass the Popcorn is a NEOZAZ.com production and part of the NEOZAZ.com podcast network. For more great podcast and original entertainment, please visit NEOZAZ.com. For all the latest news and information for Pass the Popcorn,

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More from Ya Gotta See Them Live, including Blues Traveler and ZZ Top. Tim, Dave's companion at the 2002 show, co-hosts Pass the Popcorn.

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0:13 Hello and welcome to Ya Gotta See Them Live, a podcast about the power of live music told one band at a time. My name is Dave, and although I'm usually alone, I have the pleasure of being joined on this episode by the voice of NEOZAZ, Khrysti. I was gonna say, you are not alone, but that's not what I'm saying. Not the song, but Don't Give Up, Dave. Oh, thank you. I'll try not to. You're you're the Kate Bush to my friend. So you saw it on the screen grab, but we are doing Peter Gabriel on this one, and the reason that Khrysti is on because Peter, Khrysti and I saw Peter Gabriel together. Yes, we did. So we'll get to that in a minute. I did see him another time, which you're going to have to sit and listen to. I apologize. You just sit and wait, okay? Okay. You'll get your turn later. Okay. Um But I did want to ask you, do you see a lot of concerts, like a lot of live shows? No, because Orlando seems to repel people like dirt off of a mudflap.

1:22 Um We just we don't get a lot of motto. Yeah, yeah. Um A lot of times the I mean the really good concerts usually come to either Tampa uh which I'd rather drive to Detroit or uh Miami. And I'm not willing to be in a car that long. So sometimes we'll get good concerts, but like the really good like stadium shows They they don't they don't necessarily come around here, so I don't get to see a lot. Yeah, you don't I mean there's the Orlando Magic Arena. Um I would think they would get shows, but they're they're not getting people even. They do, but Night. Any Buddy, I want to see. Right. People that do shows like that are generally like new bands. Like when I see the bands that come through and do shows where like the Flyers and the Sixers play, like, I don't know who they are. Yeah. And then you get an old person. I'm like, hey, this is for the old guys, you know, every once in a while. And and at this time, you know, the people that I would go to see, there's usually some kind of like,

2:25 Early Bird Special that is sponsoring it. So Yeah. Well, and you have a hard rock right near you. Every once in a while they sound good. Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, they must get people, right? Oh yeah. So if you're a a long time NEOZAZ listener, you know Khrysti from I sound like uh The Simpsons. You and you might know Khrysti from uh Lots of things, including the Grady's and and uh She and Matt really kind of run NEOZAZ. So thank you both. for being the first family of NEOZAZ. Whether you wanted to or not. Yes. You're like married. All of our little digital children out there into the world. So before we get to the second time that I saw him, and I'll let you tell that story as to why you felt you had to do what you did to see Peter Gabriel. I'll talk about the first time I saw him, which was with Tim, another longtime NEOZAZ person. From lots of stuff like Pass the Popcorn and Star Wars and Character and things like that. And that was November 18th, 2002.

3:32 God damn, that was like a long time ago now. But I wish that I had s could have been able to see Peter Gabriel like in the like in the late 70s and early 80s. And even into some of the stuff that he did with Amnesty International. Because that was like the the the Quintessential stuff that now we're seeing him. I mean, in 2002, I remember thinking he was old. Because he was balding and he was kind of heavy. But now, I mean, like, we, when we saw him, he was even. That much older. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we weren't seeing the young. skinny dancing around. Full of energy, Peter Gabriel, but it was still great because I mean, think you think about seeing him, it's more than just a concert, it's a cinematic experience, like a multimedia art experience. And I hadn't been to a lot of concerts like that because most of the time it's like a guy on stage. And you're you're seeing the band, they're doing their hits and there might be some lighting and l like a normal show, but uh

4:34 You see him and I remember seeing Roger Waters for the first time and getting this kind of experience where there was a lot of stuff going on in the arena. And it's it's you listen to him, if you're a fan of him, it's it's deeper, it's intellectual, it's complex. And there's a lot of global awareness and that kind of stuff with seeing him. But the first time that I saw him was the tour for Growing Up. So do you remember that album, 2002? I do not. I do not. So they almost called up. And this was back when you would buy a CD. I'm sure you did this. Remember when you would buy like a CD? And you would just listen to it like start to finish over and over and over again. Oh yeah. I did that with So. Yeah, that was So. And that's how you got to like know the the B sides of the deep dives and really You know, get to really be a fan of somebody. And I was so into that album. It was 2002, like my son was a.

5:36 baby. And I remember listening to this a lot, like a lot, a lot. So I knew I was going to end up going to see him. And the opening act that night was The Blind Boys of Alabama. Yeah, because this is Peter Gabriel. It's going to be kooky. It's going to be cultural, you know, like he does a lot of world music. So the funniest thing about the Blind Boys of Alabama was they are literally like five Old? Blind men. Okay. And the stage was in the round. And there were two guys on each side of the stage that I'm not even kidding, they were spotters. Make sure they didn't fall off. Make sure they didn't fall off the stage. Because they I guess they refuse to stand still. They didn't dance necessarily, but they walked around and sang, and the harmony was great, and there's this legendary kind of like. You know, old RB kind of blues kind of thing. And it was like, okay, well, though, and Tim and I were watching, I'm like, those guys are there to make sure they don't fall off the stage. And sometimes they would both be like two guys would be near the edge at the same time.

6:41 And the guy would have to like run and push one back and then run halfway around and then get the other guy just before he fell off. Please tell me that guy was like super, super skinny. He was, he was fit. It was really, really great. But it was a great show. It was a little bit weird because. Usually, when a guy comes out, we were talking about bands or artists, they come out and they hit you, they hit you with a heavy hitter. He comes out to, Here Comes the Flood. I mean, I can't think of a more depressing song than Here Comes the Flood. And that's how he opened the show. So it was like, okay, this is going to be different. But Blind Boys of Alabama came back out and did one of the songs off of Up with him. But the thing that was great about this, and you would have loved this, because when we saw him, it was more of like a standard concert. Like stage and performers and that kind of stuff. Because this was in the round, there was a lot of really cool things going on with the staging. And they really called it the sky stage and the earth stage. So when he was on the stage and you were supposed to be looking at him, he was literally standing on the stage.

7:51 There was like almost a secondary stage above him that was curtains Projections, things like that. Oh, wow. Giant inflatable, like curtain balls that they would project things on. It was really, really neat. Um So he got into some of the songs from that album, but then he does, are you familiar with the song Downside Up? So this is where you know you're in for something special here. Starts putting on a harness. Oh, so the song before starts putting on a harness, and he's talking to me. What the fuck is he going to do with this harness? Putting on the harness because he is going to hook. And he spends the whole song hanging upside down. Wow. pulling himself around the stage by his arms. The song. It was insane. It was really insane. And that whole show, if you ever want to watch it, is on YouTube. Oh, wow. And I have, I have just, it was November 18th, 2002.

9:00 Uh and at that point it was called the First Union Center, but it's b had about seven names. The F U son. The F u anthos or we call it the F U. Um So the beginning of the song, there's a woman singing, it's his daughter, it's Melanie Gabriel. Oh, wow. I don't know if you can see it on this, and if you haven't seen this, it's really cool to know that this old Englishman. Pulling himself upside down around on monkey bars basically while singing this song. All right, so he hadn't hooked into the harness yet at this point, but then he does. I never saw anything like that before.

10:35 Oh wow. Yeah. It was pretty amazing. The next song off it was a song called The Barry Williams Show that was on that album and it's about like a Jerry Springer talk show type of host. Okay. He spent the entire song that time with a spotlight like you would have on a TV stage shining. And it had a camera attached to it, shining it on people in the audience and putting them on the screen. Oh wow. It was crazy. And then he did something, like he did things like Mercy Street and Digging in the Dirt. The title track then was Growing Up. He did it in one of those giant inflatable balls that you can kind of put yourself in and run around on the stage. It was insane. Everything that he did was more and more artistic. While this ban That was killing it was playing like Tony Levin has been his bass player forever. And I like to gravitate to a bass line in a song. He was amazing. It was a really, really great show. He did Solsbury Hill on a bike. This stage is in the round. He he rode a bike the whole time.

11:40 And you can see, I think he's about to clip in here, Khrysti, if you're still watching this on my screen. And I'll and his daughter's in one too. His daughter is just singing, I think. Okay. Um But the bike thing, it was so much fun. Uh it really, really great. And then he ended with the song Father Son, which is like the saddest song ever about a guy. You know that song. No. Oh my God. It's about like a guy who's, you know, remembering what life was like with his dad. Oh, no, there's his daughter going in her harness too. So they walk. around upside down. It's insane. Um And it was, that was the last song. And you can't help but listen to this song and cry. And I'm sitting there next to Tim from NEOZAZ, and both of us crying. And that was it. And then we left. It was crazy and I'll never forget it. It was a really kind of monumental groundbreaking show for me as a fan.

12:41 So flash forward then 14 years. June 26, 2016. And I get a text or something from you saying I think I'm going to come to to Philadelphia to see Peter Gabriel because Well, I'll let you tell the story. Why did you do this? Uh I think I think the key was, um At some point I realized that All of the people I ever wanted to see in concert were dying. Right. That was that was kind of the impetus for that one. And I realized it the man's never coming down here. And then when I saw him there, I was like, oh. Go to, I know people there. I can go there and not go by myself. And then, when you said you were, because it was, it was him and Sting in a double bill. And I was like, well. I can knock out two aging rock stars in one night.

13:46 So that sounds great. Two for one that might be dead. Two for one. Yeah, yeah. So you were doing like your death tour. Of like old musicians. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Okay. Have you added anyone to the list? I. I debated whether to go see Violent Femmes again, but because I saw them in college. When they were like super like, oh, actually, no, they weren't super hot at that point. They were. Cooling down because they were on a college tour. But I feel. Like if I see them now, it might be sad. Yeah, or that that is a risky run with these. Yeah. It's like you s I saw them, but they were They were the shell of what they were. Yeah, and and I have really great memories of Being in a mosh pit to the violent femmes in a college. So there are certain concerts, I try not to go see. theater shows more than once, and I also do not go seek

14:50 concerts more than once and and actually the opposite Matt. Because we have now seen BABYMETAL. Three times. Yeah. I've seen them three times. Uh we've also seen Alice Cooper. I've seen him. Well, he qualifies on that button nearly dead. And and honestly, his show never gets bad. It's never bad. And so that's kind of like my exception to the rule, but. I really I gotta I gotta bug up my ass that I really wanted to go see Peter Gabriel and Sting before they die. And uh And then so I flew up there. We went. drove through some parts of town that I was very frightened of. Um And I'm really glad. I felt like Country Mouse and you were City Mouse. Country Mouse. Well, this was actually technically in New Jersey. It was Camden, New Jersey. At that point, it was called the BB&T Pavilion. It's that's another thing that, you know, the contract runs out and some other bank names it or something like that. Yeah. The tour was called Rock, Paper, Scissors. And I like that as a.

16:04 Name of a tour because it's almost like they really did that. They played rock, paper, scissors to see. Who was going to go out next? Yep. And it was a really great way to say, I have seen that was one of the times I think I've seen Sting. And I never saw him like that. with another legend. felt like it was kind of like when you get those bogos at s at the store. That's a good way to put it. I had a weird unhealthy obsession with Peter Gabriel for a very long time in in that bubble of time and just with that one album. Okay. With so because of of Say Anything and I I like I made I forced my very first high school boyfriend. To play. In Your Eyes. What you forced him to do? Reenact the scene.

17:09 Forest is such a Such a strong word. Um I forced him to watch the movie with me. Okay. And I said, isn't this romantic? You said you forced him to do that. I said, guess what? We're gonna watch a movie tonight. It's Say Anything. And isn't this romantic? Look at this. And he had a I I mean, he had a trench coat, so I kinda felt like It was a You know, John Cusack-esque. Did you call him Lloyd? Lloyd Dobler, even though his name was like Rick Jones. I did not I did not call him Lloyd, but I was like, look how sexy this is. There have an awkward section of card to this song. Isn't this romantic? And now I watch it and go. Isn't it? Mm. Others. This is overrated. You've grown out of it. I've grown out of that. What did was he into it? Like, was did he watch it and go, like, yeah, I really get why you like this? Or was he like, she's freaking nuts? No.

18:18 Uh it was early enough in the relationship he knew not to say the second thing. Um He liked it. He thought it was cool. And he was like, This is a really pretty song and You know, he would leave it on my answering machine in college. It was funny. Oh, he was romantic, yeah. Yeah. So, I, I mean, this song for me, and then. And then listening to the rest of that album. Like you were saying when you you Get really focused and fixated on an album, that was me with So. Right. And then when the, um, Concert album came out. Oh, what was it? The one with Paula Cole. Okay, well there was Secret World Live. It was Secret World Live. When that came out. That I played. On repeat. Constantly. Constantly. And um Almost maybe listen to Paula Cole.

19:20 Uh it just I After where how where did all the Cowboys go? I was like, I nope, nope. That's how good Peter Gabriel is. He'll almost make you want to listen to Paula Cole. Oh my god. Well most may agree we're on a listed paper. I like her her later stuff, but that that that well Fine here. Yeah. When she had another baby, see, you know the words. I I was yeah, but so so I was really Um Washing of the Water. is just oh. Breaks my heart every single time. And then there was that weird. anti-suicide commercial that used don't give up. Oh shit, I remember that. And I remember because they only played the Kate Bush part. Yeah. And I was like,

20:20 Rest your head, you worry too much. Oh my god, this is so sad. Then you listen to the rest of the song and you're like, damn. Forgot about that. That's the whole reason I didn't even. I didn't even Because it's I don't it's on it's like one of the if you can have a B side. It was one of the later ones in um In uh on So. This is what is on my screen. I tried to find the uh commercial on This is nice in a way. I tried to find this on YouTube. I wrote Anti-Suicide, Don't Give Up. Uh and I got uh you're not alone. If uh someone you know is having a hard time. Call 988. You know, it's like, no video. Like, I mean, they're worried about me now. But it says show anyway. Where does it say that? Yeah. There's the that's the actual video underneath it. But not the other one. Oh, that's it. That's it.

21:23 Go up a little bit. It I think it's These are pretty long. I'll have to like I do remember that now that you that you say that that's crazy Yeah, and and I think the First time two together that are like, oh, this is that song. Right. I loved I loved that show. in the fact that it was that I'm going to go on now. Now it's my turn. I'm staying. And they did each other's songs. That was the fun. That was. I was I was worried, however. That Sting would come out and do In Your Eyes. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Don't need a cover version of the song that I came here to see. Yeah, I think that would have been I mean a duet would have been okay, but yeah, for them to do like the major, major thing would have been a slap in the face because Peter Gabriel came out first.

22:32 He came out and it was it was interesting for him to come out first because He is so intense. Oh yeah. You know, and it it started it started with the The Rhythm of the Heat, which is like a driving, pulsing, almost Completely instrumental song. And then it's it's like crazy intense. And then out comes Sting all Lottie Dottie like sings it If I Ever Lose My Faith in You. It was a weird kind of juxtaposition of these two guys. And then they sang together. For a couple of songs. They did No Self Control, and then they did Invisible Sun. Games Without Frontiers. And then Shock the Monkey. So I thought that was really, really great too. In fact, I have this is a lot of this is on YouTube too, as well. I think it's really great that they

23:53 Yeah, like so Sting doing Shock the Monkey is really great. And that reminds me too, just I saw him on the video. The thing that I didn't know that I thought was really neat, and this is like a geeky kind of thing. Peter Gabriel's drummer at that time was a guy named Vinnie Colaiuta. Jazz drummer. He was Sting's drummer for like three albums. Oh, wow. And he hadn't played with him in a long time. And now this is Sting singing in front of Vinnie Colaiuta. And to like Sting fans that knew who that was. I was like, holy shit, this is like, this is hasn't happened since like. nineteen eighty eight or late ni you know, like since nineteen ninety one or something like that. And he had a thing up there that He had a cowbell that says more cowbell. It's actually painted and it says more cowboys. And Sting did more police songs during this set than he normally does, maybe because. It was

24:54 Peter Gabriel. I'm just wondering, like, if he Maybe changed his setlists because I, because I've seen him so many times, I was hearing songs that I didn't normally hear. Which was fantastic as a Sting fan on top of the the Peter Gabriel stuff. Yeah. So it was really good. It was a really great show. And when we set It's one of these places where there's a band shell and then general admission lawn seating, which is where we sat on blankets. I'm too old to do that anymore. I still go to places like this and I rent the chair. How embarrassing is that? Could you sit on the ground and watch an entire show anymore? I could sit on the ground. I could not get up from the ground. Yeah. But I could sit on the ground. I, I, also am at the point of my life where I'm like, you know what? Well yeah. I'm I'm there too because I've to a ton of shows this summer and a lot of them were at these places and

25:55 I'm like I guess I gotta really start just Trying to stop save a few bucks. And just sit in a real seat because you can rent chairs. It's like 10 bucks. Yeah. That that's what I do now because I'm Old fart and I can't sit on the ground. Like you said, I can't get off the ground. Mm-hmm. I also, I mean, for the especially for these These shows that are, you know, you going to see people on borrowed time that You Also, on part of the time, and you want to sit in a seat, I will pay for it, and I will buy one of the little more expensive seats. When we went to see. Rob Zombie and Alice Cooper. It was in one of those one of those theaters where there was a a lawn and and the seats. And we were like, mm mm, we're getting seats. Taking our

26:55 Taking our ear protection and we're sitting in the chairs. Yeah. We're sitting in the seats because it's like, I really, if I'm going to spend money on a On A concert? I want to spend that extra money so that I enjoy myself. Yeah, I think I'm I'm there now too. And if it's going to be too expensive for me to sit there? I don't need to go. Appreciate you. having that attitude where you just go, I don't need to go. I still have this compulsion. that I can't. I mean, it's it's not it's not good. It is It's a cheap. But it's like, I have to go. I have to go. If I don't go, it's this FOMO that, like, you know, like, I can, it will bother me. It's so stupid. But if you enjoy the experience, then what the heck does it matter? Well, you're right. You're right. But they played, I mean I'm counting, I have the whole set list. Printed out here between the two of them. Fifty-one songs. Now, some of them were snippets. I'd say maybe not the entire song, but like you said, it was a little bit of them doing each other's songs. And it was pretty cool. Peter Gabriel stepping in, singing.

28:07 Sting's first solo hit. [Clip: If You Love Somebody Set Them Free, live] But doing it in a A different way, like a new arrangement. I mean, do you think, do you think either one of them? I can't remember, were they both on stage when they would do each other's songs? Yeah. Yeah, because Well you think they were going, mm, huh? That's a choice. Right. At this point, Sting wasn't on stage, but like it just kept going back and forth and back and forth. They would trade off. It was like tagging in and tagging out. But for the end.

29:09 They're on stage for In Your Eyes. Which I think Sting sang a verse. But he takes a step back and let Peter Gabriel do it. And then Every Breath You Take. which was vice versa. Sting takes the lead. Peter Gabriel steps back and finishes with Sledgehammer. Yeah. So really, really, I mean, you don't, like you said, get to see too many people. Do that of that stature. Uh i and at that age. Um it was a really memorable night. I'm glad that you came up because it it made it even better. Yeah. It was, it was a lot of fun. And the experience of Having to leave New Jersey. go back at 12 o'clock, 1 o'clock in the morning. That was fun too. Why, because you were leaving New Jersey or just because you had to do it? Just because we were in New Jersey and we were leaving at one o'clock in the morning, and that probably was the most adventurous thing I'd done in years.

30:15 Yeah, it's not an easy place this place to get to because you have to go over the Ben Franklin Bridge. You can go other over other bridges, but that's the closest one. And for anybody that lives in the the Philadelphia area knows that it is free to go across the Ben Franklin Bridge to get to New Jersey. But you have to pay. back into Pennsylvania. I think we joked about all the way back. It was like. One way you got to pay one way you got to go because they don't want you coming back. Yeah, and Camden is not a nice City. I'll just say that. They actually have it. You probably, if you're listening to this and you go to concerts in your cities, it's the kind of city where they don't want all these people in the city. Really late at night. So they close all of the streets, and there are cops lining the street to get you back to the bridge, to get your ass out of there because they don't want you to get dead. And even even as we were

31:18 Cause it's right near the water. Cause we went to walk along the water, and I just kept joking, I think, that are we gonna see like, With cement shoes in the water in the Delaware River. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds. Are we going to see people in there? I mean, it's the kind of place that now You know, have you ever seen the magnet fishing? Yes. I imagine that if anybody went. Magnet fishing in the Delaware river, they would probably find some people. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's funny that you flew. All the way from Orlando. Yeah. Pennsylvania to see a show in New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, the logic the logic does kind of strike me there. But I was so excited when you said you were coming up. I was like, I'm gonna pick you up at the airport. It's gonna be great. You know, like, so we even I even we even got Wawa before the show. Do you remember? Yes, we did. We ate it along the Delaware River. Right, right there on the Delaware. Oh.

32:21 Oh, we ate our hair. Yeah. Next to the wooder. Water. Yeah. It wasn't your Florida Wawa either, that fake Wawa that you got down there in Orlando. This was real Wawah. I I felt the authenticity as I was Using all those napkins too. the drippings because it was a very party sandwich. Of course. Well, that was the two times I saw the one time you saw and a memorable thing. I don't know if he'll ever tour again, but because of my FOMO, I'll definitely go just one more thing. One more time, one more time. Because he's still making new music at his age. And it's always a little bit experimental. Out of the box, he doesn't give a shit. He's making music that he wants to make, and his fans are dedicated. So, I mean, it could happen again. Honestly. There Very few people that I would actually go see in concert anymore.

33:24 Also because I just don't want to sit for that long. Um But I ha there was also the one year that I went to see Donnie and Marie. Mia Marie. Like I said, I try to go see some, it's go see them before they die kind of thing. Yeah. not at the same caliber as as Peter Gabriel. And um I'm sure that will never be a concert you're gonna cover on this show, but No. It was a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll. You come on the show whenever you want and talk about whatever you want because I'm just glad. I'm glad that you did this. I'm glad that I had somebody to talk to, especially somebody that shares a passion for. uh a uh an artist that's very, very important to me and I'm glad that he's very important to you too. Yes, I I have gone down the rabbit hole several times. Even in the last few months where I will go back and I will watch the Secret World tour.

34:26 again. Nice and again and again. Because I just And I love Every single song on there. Shaking the Tree is just such a joyful song. I, you know, that's. If I wanna get into like a a Mood. I know I have an arsenal of Peter Gabriel's songs that I have to selectively Select because some of them are not. Most of them are not. They're very introspective and down. But when he goes joyful, he goes joyful. Good way to put it. All right, well thank you, Khrysti, for joining me on Ya Gotta See Them Live. It was uh it was a blast. I hope you had fun. Yes, I did. And and it was kind of fun, like reliving. Oh gosh, that was that was. 10 years ago, that we went to that. Yep, it was. You're getting old. Yeah. But so were they. Exactly. That's why you got to see them. Yeah. Well, thanks for listening, and we'll see you at the show.

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More from Big Monster Brewing, plus beer reviews on Matt Likes Beer. Find Matt's homebrew club at Brewers Anonymous.

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0:00 If you've been a long time follower and listener of the NEOZAZ Podcast Network, you know we have a little bit of a philanthropic history with the Artmore Project from Star Wars and Character and helping Haunts and Helping Pups with the Catacombs of Halloween Horror Nights. We've taken that hobby, been able to do a lot of good with it, and now it's time to take another one of my hobbies. and try to do the same thing. That's all up next. Welcome to Big Monster Brewing. It has been as long as you think it has. It's been a long time since I put one of these episodes out. And I'm going to say it's been a long time since I put one of these episodes out, but not a long time since I tried to put an episode out. Long story short, I think I went into this in the recordings. Of preparing for brew day, I had some episodes recorded on the app that I usually record all my brew days for. Sat down to record an introduction and a tasting like I'm doing right now.

1:10 And also download the files so I could put the episode together. And the files were gone and the. App was clearly updated because it looked different from the last time I used it. And I did everything I knew how to do to look for just the files alone, forget finding them through the app. That clearly was not going to happen. And I could not find them. And I was a little disappointed. I'm not upset because I could have. pulled them off earlier. I should do that, knowing how technology tends to work against me many times, but I was a little disappointed because they were recordings for a brown ale and then recordings for a Belgian dubbel. Beers, most beers which I've never had made before, at least not in I know I haven't done the Belgian one. Maybe I've done a brown ale like as a one gallon or something back when this is a YouTube series, but it it's been so long I don't even know for sure. So two brand new beers, brand new styles I was planning to bring to the feed. Gone forever. So

2:14 Oh well, I mean not a whole lot I can do about it. They're gone. So then with that The other brewing I've done since then kind of didn't feel real motivated to record because I was like, What's the point? It's probably just gonna disappear again until we got up to this beer. This beer. Both the beer and why I'm brewing it have given me reason to record this episode. I am brewing what I think is going to be a very special beer. And it's going to be for a very special event. It's something we have never done before as a club, and it's pretty amazing that we're getting the opportunity to do it. So getting into the event first, we've done a lot of festivals. I've recorded a lot about brewing. I've done for festivals. I barely ever record for festivals. I've made that joke before, and it still stands true. I always forget to record at these events, but this is not a festival. This is, its name is Taste! Central Florida and it is the biggest Culinary and beverage event. In central Florida, and it's 100% for charity ticket sales. There's a couple events that go on inside for fundraising. There's something called the wine door where you can buy a key, and if your key opens the door, you get X amount of dollars of wine that's behind the door. There's also another thing for liquor as well.

3:35 I think it's a door, I think it's another thing like that. There's a thing called a giving tree where you buy I don't know if you buy a ticket or give a s specific donation, but then you can pick one of the leaves in quotes, little envelope on the tree and there's something in there. You definitely get something for your money, gift certificate from somewhere or some kind of prize, as it were. And every penny of that. Did I mention the ticket sales or I'm going to actually look, I think I know what they are. I'll check it in a minute. Everything, everything goes to charity. It goes to help. Hungry and homeless children in Florida. All the proceeds go to Coalition for the Homeless of Central Florida and the Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida. And we were at Science on Tap, the very first. Festival of 2026 for us, usually the first festival of the year, period. And one of the recruiters for the food and beverage participants was there, and she was absolutely blown away. about what we had at our tent. And she asked me for my contact information.

4:38 And I just kind of thought, okay, that's, you know, she's really happy right now. That's the last I'm going to hear of her. It was either that night or the next day I did hear from her, and we got signed up and we're part of this. We are the first and only home brew club, and that's Brewers Anonymous. If you've forgotten what my homebrew club is, I'm still vice president as of this recording. First and only homebrew club to ever be invited to this, and we are stoked. We are absolutely excited. We are bringing our best beer possible. And I am going to be making something super special. And actually, let's. It's here's why, because I'm looking now. The tickets are, that's what I thought they were. They're$200 tickets. So we don't want to be serving beers that we're not going to drink ourselves, and two, that is a clone of something you can get anywhere. So we're going to bring special beers. And then, while I'm here, let's see. What is the. Wine door. Wine door is$75 a A key, okay. All right. And the liquor locker, that's what it's called. That's$50.$50 a key. So every penny, and I'm mentioning that because every penny of this.

5:42 It's a high price event, but it's a fundraiser and every penny of it goes to charity. And with that, I am going to make probably my most complex, complicated beer where so many things can go wrong, but if it goes right, it's going to be worth taking to see event. And it's going to be an Amburana Aged Wee Heavy. If you're not familiar with Wee Heavy, it's a European strong ale by style classification. It's a high ABV beer, very, very malty, barely any hops. The hops are kind of there just to curb the cloyingly sweetness that this beer can be, but the hops are there just to knock it down past cloyingly and still be sweet and very rich and very complex if done right. And The Amburana, if you're not familiar with that particular wood, it's a wood. It's the Amburana, I have spiral. Wood spirals for this. I'm gonna soak them, I think, probably in Four Roses Select. So it's kind of gonna be a bourbon barrel. Amburana aged, wee heavy. Amburana brings a very unique flavor to beers that it's aged on, particularly a blend of vanilla, cinnamon, and then, of course, that kind of natural wood flavor.

6:50 But it's not directly vanilla or cinnamon. It's more of a natural, smoother. Cat, well, should be smoother if you remove it from the wood quick enough because it can get very aggressive very quickly. And that's probably where the hardest part of this is going to be to dial in. But we're nowhere near that yet. But the we have ye alone, it's gonna be a big beer. It's gonna be somewhere around 10%. My recipe is aiming for, I think, about 10.5%. With efficiency drops, which there very well could be, I could go as low as nine, but that's still good. Nine is like the bare minimum I want. I'm hoping closer to 10. Nine and a half, nine, seven, five is kind of where I would like the beer to be, but if it's a little over or a little under, I'm fine with that as well. And the malt complexity in this should be. one of the easier things to do. What's going to be difficult in brewing the beer is the mash. There is no way my Anvil Foundry can do the amount of malts it needs to make a double-digit

7:51 ABV beer and and actually make it all malt. I could do liquid or malt or dry malt extract. I probably use dry if I was going to do that, but I don't want I want this to be all malt-driven ABV. No sugars, no nothing like that. No candy syrups, no nothing. I want it all malt-driven. So I'm gonna have to do a reiterated mash, which I'll explain more as I go through the process. But it's basically splitting the grains in half. And you mash with your first half of the grains. Then you take the grains out, but you don't remove the liquid. You don't put the liquid in the boil kettle. That's usually the next step after mashing. Use that same liquid to mash a second set of grains so that. Mash, the with sweet wort that's coming from the mash sort of doubles. It doesn't double. Uh the calculation isn't double. It's more like a 1.6 uh Amount of sugars that come out of the second one, I guess you'd say, or 0.6 instead of or 60% of the sugars rather than 100%, somewhere around there. I'm giving some really round numbers, but that is a way to utilize my Anvil Foundry for mashing and then transfer all that liquid to the boil kettle.

8:57 Which I'm going to boil on gas for the first time in, like, I don't know, three, four, or five years. I'm doing that because I want a super heavy rolling boil for two hours because I want the melanoidins in those malts and those sugars that come out of the malts, I should say. To really caramelize and really thicken up, get heavy, and Bring the complexity that this beer will need to carry all of the flavors I want to bring to this event. So, different brew than I think I've ever really done on this show. And a lot can go wrong. But hopefully, I have been planning on this, the recipe and the calculations for the better part of a month now. I've been really working hard on this. We should be able to get something. We'll see what it is. So, a lot of work. It's going to be the longest brew day I think I've ever done in my life. I think I've scheduled like 14 hours for it. Hopefully, I can get done at 10 to 12. but I'm planning on actually being out there for 14 hours. Um now why I guess one question I didn't answer I don't have any notes on this if you're wondering why if I'm already going to a gas boil why am I not just using my old system that can handle all this because my old system does not have temperature control for the mash and one of the most important things for the complexity of this beer is to make sure I have long chain sugars which you get with higher temperature mashing.

10:16 I can mash in at a temperature, seal everything up, and hope it holds for an hour. It tends not to. It'll drop a degree or two, or maybe more, depending on the weather. With the Anvil Foundry, it's going to hold it at that temperature I need to make those complex chains the entire hour for both mashes, not just one, but two. Although, arguably, and not even arguably, I will concede that if I were to use my old system, I wouldn't need two mashes, but I also wouldn't. Necessarily get the results I want. This way, I'm assured the results. Putting in the extra work and the extra effort is going to assure me the closest chance of the results that I want in this beer. So that's why that's happening. So, a lot more on that to come as we go. In fact, this show is probably going to be a very long one because we're going to start right off with me digging out my old equipment that I haven't used in, like I just said, three, four, five years. And making sure, one, it functions, and two, that some kind of life form hasn't grown in them out in my hot garage since I. This stuff away less. So let's get right into those recordings, and this should be a fun one. I'm really looking forward to this beer turns out and really excited about this event. So let's hit those recordings right now.

11:21 Been a while since I've done one of these episodes, I guess. I'm assuming this will be done. And I say that because it's not been a while since I've recorded one. Because I recorded two full episodes of beers I've never made before: Brown Ale and a Belgian dubbel, but those recordings disappeared after an update on this app and completely disappeared, not just from the app. Like I thought, okay, the app just indexes them differently, it doesn't see them. So I used some tools that I have. when I connect my phone to my computer to actually see files that are saved, they're gone. Hopefully, this doesn't happen with a new update. I did a couple tests to make sure the files are still there, and I'm going to probably, best I can remember, I'm not very good at this, upload the files. Somewhere to my computer or to my cloud account from this app the day I'm done recording that set. We'll see. Oh, what was going on with that? Oh, the reason I want to make sure this one is done. I haven't been brewing as much this year as far as the amount of times I've brewed, but I think I've been brewing about the same amount of beer. I'm brewing much larger batches so I can spread them out over competition, which is turning out to not be the best idea because now that we're in the second half of the competition season.

12:33 They're starting to show their age, so. I mean it is what it is. That's that's what I ha the the Methodology I had to take this year, just between everything that's going on. We had a very large competition for our homebrew club. for the state of Florida. Homebrew Con came back and it's just things in life. Crop up that need my attention more than brewing. But speaking of actually, in the same vein of that, something has come up that I really want to make sure I document because I think it's going to be fun and it's a pretty exciting opportunity. At one of the festivals, which I'm sure I've explained this in the opening, but I haven't recorded the opening yet because it'll be done in the future. So I'm kind of going to give a recap of that here. to make sure that's all covered. The first festival we did this year, Science on Tap, we got invited to pour at Taste! Central Florida, which is the largest culinary and beverage event in Central Florida, and it's 100%. For charity, every single penny that they take in from the ticket price to the events they have inside, they have a couple of things they got like a wine door that you buy a key, and if it unlocks the door, you get like

13:36 I don't even know how much wine. I think they said like$5,000. I'm not sure that's right. I don't remember the details, but it's a lot. Even$500 is a lot, but I think they said$5,000. Same with it. There's like a liquor cabinet type, same kind of deals, a ring toss for like rare and expensive bottles of wine. There's a thing called a giving tree where you buy a leaf and you pull it down. There's something in there, like a gift certificate or something inside that. Everything they take in is for charity. It's for the coalition. them in Central Florida and the Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida. feeds the homeless, it focuses on kids first. A tremendous cause. They've raised, I think, millions at this point. They've been doing for quite a while. Biggest thing we've ever been invited to be part of. And it's such an incredible honor that they thought so much of our Yeah. invite us to this and Because of this, I'm trying to brew a very special beer. I'm going to brew a couple standard beers and ones that you probably heard before when I get to those recordings, if I record those. The special bear I'm making is a Amburana

14:39 Barrel-aged, Wee Heavy. And I'm starting that process today, and I'll be brewing it in a week. And what I'm starting today is that. Uh, with how big this beer is going to be, I'm gonna have to do a reiterated mash, which I'll talk about when I get to that. But I also have to do a gas boil. Even it's not even a power capacity thing with my Anvil Foundry, because I do have a 240 or 220 adapter, whichever, I think it's 220 actually adapter. So I could get it to the boil I need. It's the capacity. I am going to be boiling for two hours and Between the amount of liquids I need to do the mash and then follow up with the boil. I think technically it'd fit, but it gets a little dangerous. So I'm not gonna chance that. So I'm gonna dig out my old 15-gallon brew kettle and brew on gas and give it the most rigorous boil to just drive those melanoidins. And get that really rich flavor. This beer is kind of gonna be like my contribution to this event. So today is tearing down. I haven't used that thing in like years, two years, three years.

15:51 actually probably pandemic, so six years. I think that's right. No, that's not true. I remember doing some pandemic videos. Let's say, those will say on the safe side, three years. I haven't used it. So it needs a scrubbing. I need to tear that down. I need to tear down the higher, more closer to industrial professional pump I have. That's not. made for the anvil. I need this for the kettle. So I need to tear all that down and clean it. And that's what it's about today. That's what today's recording is about. Although you'll hear everything in one episode, but that's what I'm going to be documenting today, that cleaning process. And I have to find the hose as I go with that, too. I just thought of as well. So that should be an interesting ordeal. I think I know where they are. Usually I'm I got a 50-50 shot of being right on that. So, I think I started this recording to avoid all that because it's a lot of cleaning. So, I gotta bite the bullet, pull this stuff down, start cleaning, and that's what I'm gonna do right now. So the first thing I wanted to get was the tubes because I said there was a like 50-50 shot that I knew where they would be. I wish I hadn't said that because there's two of them.

17:00 I found one. I found 50% of them. I feel like I set that up karmically. And let's see. Is this going to be. Yeah, it's gonna be. It is going to be a showstopper in a sense of uh Uh Uh, what I'm planning to do, but I mean, I can adjust. Um, what I'm going to do is dig around where I found this. I would assume the second one is not far, but that's not always the case. So. Yeah, uh that's where I'm at on this. I just thought that was freaking hilarious that. There was only one after I said I have a 50-50 shot of finding the two. So I had to share that. So I'm gonna keep digging. Maybe I'll get lucky. Ooh, I think I just did. Oh my God. Could I be that lucky? Could I be this lucky? Come on. It's really stuck in this box if this is it. You son of a gun. It's gonna make me fight. Under ah, ha ha! Huzzah!

18:05 I found them both and they were within vicinity of each other, but they weren't together. So, okay, we're good. Okay, back to the same plan. So, I'm gonna pull down the kettle, break that down, and start cleaning next. I pulled the kettle down and I was. I want to say, I'm curious about the inside. I was going to say concerned, but that's not true. I was wondering what state I left it in when I kind of wrecked it up on the top shelf three years ago. It's really not bad. There's some dusty little particle stuff that it's in the garage, so every time you shut the door, something. kind of Rattles the ceiling and whatnot. It's not a living area, so something falls into it. So it has some debris in it. So I'm just gonna give it a good rinse, wash it down. Otherwise, it's in pretty good condition as far as cleanliness goes. I'm gonna break down, it's got two ball ball valves. I think they're called ball valves, they're not butterfly valves.

19:08 Two ball valves on it. I'm gonna take those apart, soak them in some really hot PBW to get anything that's in there out. Technically, I mean, I guess. Everything that's going to go through those. Connections in the hose is going to be boiled, so it'll be sanitized. But I'd rather not, you know, kind of pull out unnecessary gunk and put it into beer. So I'm going to give those a good cleaning. The pump I have eyes on right now. I'm going to grab that. I'm going to take the head apart and clean that. And I should probably oil it. I don't know that I have it. It uses it like. That kind of chainsaw oil, the same little metal can. Well, maybe they're plastic now. It's been a while since I bought them, but a little can, little drip can that you use for that and for like weed whackers. I haven't used this as long as I've used the kettle. It probably needs some. I can't imagine it's gonna hurt putting it in. And then I think I got everything I need for the boil side. I'm still gonna mash with the anvil, the big anvil. I'm gonna do a reiterated mash, like I mentioned before, and we'll talk more about that.

20:11 Brew day and then I think I'm all set. Oh, no, actually, I did think of something and I'm glad I'm looking around again. The chiller I have, I have an immersion chiller. I have JaDeD Hydra, I think. It's a 75-foot coil that I use for immersion chilling. I haven't used that for a while either. First thing I'm going to do is pressure wash it. And then I'm gonna actually run some water through it outside of the kettle and see if there's a lease. Make sure there wasn't any kind of corrosion in all these years because I don't want to be putting unsterile water into my beer when I'm chilling it. If it does leak, I don't expect it to. If it does, I have another one. It's, I think it's 50-foot. It's called Macilla. I use it for the Anvil Foundry. It'll work. It'll cool it a little slower. It'll work just fine. But if I could use the more surface area, the 75 foot, that's what I'm going to try. But I want to wash it first and test it. So that's where I'm at. Gotta get back to it. I'm gonna go ahead and work on the pump first. I just dug it out and pretty simple from what I remember. It's got a stainless steel head. I'm gonna take that off. There's four screws that hold it on. I've got quick, I've got another ball valve on the outlet, I believe. Let's see, yeah, out, it has an actual arrow. So I'm gonna tear that apart.

21:31 Clean that. I have quick disconnects on each one. If you were to ever see this, if I start doing videos again, my disconnects for my hoses are backwards. Like the ones on the pump and the kettle, there, see if you can hear it. That's the thing you slide to disconnect. You usually have that on the hose. And then the that's this is the female end, and then the male end is actually on the pump and the valves and whatnot. Because while hot water boiling water goes through these, these Get really hot and they're hard to touch with your bare hands. And I did that because I was impatient. I wanted my quick disconnects now, and they didn't have the size to do it the right way, but they had the size to do it the backwards way. And I thought, well, it's not gonna be that big a deal. Well, it's not a big deal. I mean, I get a little like. Utility rag, and that's enough to block the heat. But I wish I had exercised a little patience and done it the right way. If I end up doing these kinds of boils in the future, I may go ahead and re-plumb all these with everything going with the opposite connections. But it gets the job done, it does exactly what it's supposed to do. So I'm going to take this apart.

22:47 My only concern until I open this, well, first is that it runs. I haven't even tried that yet, but after I open it, I'm a little concerned that there's, I think there's an O-ring in here, and I'm hoping that hasn't dried out and degraded because I don't know what size it is, and I don't know if I can get one by the time I'm brewing, but we're gonna find that out right now. So that's kind of putting a cart before the horse. So let's find out if it's okay first, and then we'll see. What we need to do, if anything. Pump is a part, and O-ring looks good. It's a silicone ring. It's not like the black. kind of I don't even know what the the Material is called. So I think this is gonna last quite a while. It does feel a little dry, but I am going to. I think that might be like surface dust or like maybe corrosion, I guess you could say. In fact, the more I'm handling it, the more it's kind of getting on my fingers and not on the O-ring, which is good. So I'm gonna soak that. And otherwise, everything's okay. The propeller is gross, but if I knew that.

23:49 That's why I'm cleaning this. The head is a little, I got a little bit of buildup in here from sitting all that time, but I'm gonna give that a little hand scrub first with a Sponge, one of those blue textured sponges, and I'm gonna soak everything in PBW and we'll be good to go. So, looks good. I'm not too worried about. The uh well I haven't tried it firing it up yet, but the mechanics of it, like the parts? I'm pretty confident in it. So if it fires up, we'll be in good shape. If not, I will use one of the anvil pumps. They're not as strong, and I won't quite get the. Whirlpool, I want when it comes to the chilling, which is really what this is going to be used for. But again, I mean, it'll still work. It's this, it's just going to be a little slower. Same with the chiller. So I have everything I need. It was really the. Hoses that I didn't, which in fact, you know what? Now I think about it, if I didn't have these hoses, I would have been okay with the anvil anyway, I guess, with some of some adaptations because they don't have quick disconnects. Anyway, that doesn't matter. At least I hope it doesn't matter. We're gonna find out when we fire up the pump. But first, I gotta clean this before I even think about firing it up.

25:01 While I'm waiting for the water to heat up that I'm going to use to soak these, I'm going to soak them in PBW, which is a caustic-based cleaner. It's not a straight caustic, so it's a little safer, I guess, for home use and it won't. Skin off. I'm not sure if this caustic does that. I don't think it's great for you, either way. Anyway, that is not even what this recording is about. While I was waiting, I looked up the how to oil this pump again because it's been a while, and I actually found the manufacturer video on YouTube, and it is a 3-in-One oil. That's that's what I remember being. But they also say use olive oil. So I don't know. I'm thinking maybe just go ahead. We have olive oil. We've got all kinds of olive oil. For some reason, we have more than one type. But I can get the cheapest one than the cheapest looking bottle, I guess, and use that. Or maybe I should get some real oil because I'm not sure if one's better than the other for the longevity of the pump. I'm not sure if I will be using it again. Um I'm glad I have options. Uh w chances are, actually, hmm.

26:03 Because I know I bought a bottle of that 3-in-One oil when I bought this. I think I might know where that is too. And I'm not gonna say this is 50-50 shot, I'm right, because I don't wanna find half the can of oil, because that means the other half is. Like, not in the can. So, I'm gonna check. I'm glad I have options when it comes down to. If I would think, in my mind, I prefer to get the 3-in-One oil, but if I don't have time to get it before I brew, I have an option. So, that's good. That's kind of what this recording is about. Actually, the recording is for me to remember that when I forget to buy the oil. To use the olive oil, but you get the benefit of hearing me remind myself, I guess. I'm not sure if that's a benefit. I'm now outside with the pressure washer, as you can probably hear, and giving the JaDeD Hydra, a really good once-over. Well, actually, a several over. I'm going through it several times with the sprayer. And I also have my scilla out here to give that a good cleaning. It's been a while. But, quick story.

27:10 Because I could make it. The first hour of this ordeal was getting the pressure washer to work because the spray tip was completely rusted over, so we had to soak it in a CLR mixture. For a few minutes, and then give it a good kind of Scraping and cleaning on the inside, but after that, it worked fine. But of course, that story was much quicker to tell than the actual work that went into. Doing all this. So, all right, I gotta turn this and get the other side, so I need a free hand, so I'm gonna get back to my power washing here. Everything is cleaned and reassembled and looking good. The cleaning wasn't as bad. What am I trying to say? It wasn't as things weren't as dirty as I thought they were going to be. So, well, I guess that makes cleaning not as bad. I didn't know what to expect with it sitting around for so long. I mean, I clean everything before I put it away as it is, but I guess there's just like that idea of things that. Might have been missed even if it was a little bit when you put it away. If I'm brewing like the next week or even the next month, it's not that big a deal. But three years later, it could have been a big deal. It could have grown into something that was problematic, but none of that. So that was good. The two things I haven't tested yet are: I haven't tested the immersion chiller for leaks. That's not a big concern. I don't think that's very likely.

28:30 And if it is, or if there there are some, I do have. The one that I know doesn't leak because I just used it. So I have a backup for it, which I don't think is going to come to that. And I have not tested the pump's power yet. I wanna oil it first because of the three years again. And I know I can use olive oil, but I gotta go to the hardware store anyway to get a canister of welding oxygen because I'm gonna have to directly add some oxygen to this beer because it's gonna be so big. Instead of just shaking it like I usually do, I want actual real O2 going into it. Since I'm go since I'm already going to the hardware store, I'll see if they got like whatever the smallest container of the 3-in-One oil that they have, and if it's not like super expensive. I don't even know what I would consider super expensive. I guess I got to see the price first for what the size is. I'll just get that. I feel better doing that. I know the manufacturer themselves said I could use olive oil. I just feel better using 3-in-One oil just because it seems like more an appropriate thing, I guess. But hey, I got again, not a terrible concern because I have a

29:34 Backup. I have olive oil and not a terrible concern if the pump doesn't work. I have the anvil pumps as well, which that'll be a little more challenging, but it won't be a deal-breaker. So we can still get through the brew day with those. So I think that is. All I have to do right now, oh no, it's not. I actually just set up to do this. I guess I'm going to be testing the propane burner, which I haven't. I wasn't planning to do, but in hindsight, it seems like a good idea. But I'm going to do that because I'm going to. Boil that immersion chiller I just power washed for like 20-30 minutes to get a nice oxidation coat back on it. Although everything I read, in more than one spot said like a power washing is not going to remove that oxidation coat because that's a chemical thing. That's not a physical thing. I guess it's a physical thing through chemicals, but you need to chemically remove it, is what I'm trying to say. Just to be sure, I'm still gonna boil it for 20-30 minutes. To make sure it Is still there. And I also saw one comment in all of that that I was researching. It said, if you're not sure.

30:38 Go ahead and boil it for 20-30 minutes and taste the water after. You know, if it tastes metallic, okay, you probably need to passivate it and make sure you get that layer on there. If it tastes fine, you know you're good. I'm like, oh, okay, well, I wanted to boil it anyway to be sure, and I'll also do that. And then I'll know for sure. And if that is a problem, I will passivate it with some Bar Keepers Friend. But I don't think I need to go that far. For everything I read, the power washing. Does not strip that. So I'm not too concerned about it. But for my own peace of mind, I'm going to boil it. And it also gives me a chance to make sure the propane Burner is running. And we have like plenty of propane tanks. We bought a Grill from a friend of ours, and he gave us all his propane tanks. One was already half full that was attached, and then two that had never been opened. Plus, I already had two from my brew days. So we have five, five, and two of them are full. And so I am not concerned about running out of propane. So that is one thing I'm definitely not going to buy. Come in another.

31:42 Testing phase of a piece of equipment that I didn't consider testing, but makes perfect sense that I should be testing it. And that was I have dug out the gas, the propane burner, which has also been sitting for. Three years, so of course I should test that. I hooked up the gas, lit it up, saw that not all the little holes on the burner were firing, which of course they're not. I mean, God knows what's in them after three years. So I hit it with a wire brush pretty good, lit it again, a lot more lit up. It's not 100%, but it's a lot closer. So I'm letting it cool down again now. I'm going to hit it with a wire brush again. Then I think we'll be good. And then I'm going to boil that water to put the immersion chiller in and Marked off my to-do list before Friday's brew. As far as the water goes, my wife had bought a new hose that I thought it's not a green garden hose. Maybe this hose will be okay. I can just put in some Campden tablet with some and get rid of the chloramine and I'll be able to test the water. Now I tried it. I didn't fill up the kettle, but I filled up a little bit and.

32:46 Took a little cup, tasted it, and it was, it's definitely hose water. And I'm not entirely sure, it's so strong of a hose water. I'm not entirely sure if there was any metallic flavoring being drawn out of these coils that I would pick it up. So I went and filled up five gallons of water, one gallon at a time from the sink inside the house, poured that in there, and I put a Campden tablet in to burn off the chloramine. And now it's it's It tastes like water. It doesn't taste like anything. Just tastes like water. So now I'll definitely be able to tell. Once this test is done. Once I give the burner the thumbs up to try. So glad I'm doing all this now and not figuring out that these were things I needed to have. Done before I started brewing on what's already going to be a very long brew day. I got all but four teeny tiny little burners to fire. And it's a big, I think they call it the banjo burner. It's not like the small single one that you get with like on the side of a grill, and it's not the.

33:53 Next bigger ring that's like a kind of a ring of these small dot burners with a couple down the middle. It's the next size up from that. So it's a lot of them. Only four not firing. I think we'll be okay. And maybe the gas pressure will eventually just clear whatever's stuck in those last four. But I painstakingly lit it and turned it off. I don't know. The better part of 10 times, not quite 10, to take a visual account of what wasn't burning and hit it with a wire brush. And I went as far as got a paper clip to really clean out those troublesome burners. So, all before I can live with that, I am boiling the water now. And of course, it looks like it's going to pour. Why not? Sure. Let's throw another thing in the mix to. Slow this process down, but either way, it's it's going now. Water should be boiling within no longer than 30 minutes. Then I'll throw the chiller in there for 30 minutes and then let it cool for like probably an hour before I can actually taste the water. Now, probably like 30-40 minutes again, everything's 30 minutes. We'll see. Those are.

34:58 Possibly the famous last words, and I'll be up all night doing this. I just left the hardware store and I did end up getting the 3-in-One oil. And it wasn't terribly expensive, it was like$9, but there was a little hesitation buying it. And not because of the price, but because how much there was, considering I need like four or five drops. It's a lot. Even though it's a small bottle, it's a lot for four or five drops. But It's I guess it's paying for convenience. If it gets the pump running properly, which I still don't know that it is or isn't, but if I definitely don't want to try until I oil it, if the pump runs properly after adding the oil, I paid for the convenience of being able to use the proper pump. I do have a backup pump, but it won't be as easy as this will be. So it's paying for the convenience of having the correct equipment, assuming everything works. If it doesn't, then I'll be mad that I bought it. It's a little frustrating too that I know I bought this before and I don't think I'll find it.

36:01 Before Friday, if we even have it, there is a good chance we don't. I'm not sure what the odds are, but we may not even have it anymore. So I got that, and I got the reason I was going anyway, I don't remember if I said this before or not. Is to get an a oh, I did, I did, I said an oxygen tank from uh their welding section because I'm gonna be adding direct oxygen to I already having a deja vu, I explained all this, and I'll probably explain it again when I actually do it. So I think I have everything I need now. I did finish boiling the coil. And the water, of course, was near boiling hot when I turned the gas off, so I'm letting it cool for a little while before I attempt to taste it. Maybe by the time I get home, I'll be able to taste it, see if there's any off-flavors in there. and then decide whether or not if I'm going to do anything else to that coil. prior to brew day. I did the taste test of the water post-boiling the coil, and at first I thought maybe there was just a

37:02 Hint of something, maybe from the copper, maybe metallic. Couldn't quite put my finger on it, but it was quite warm. It was really warm. It was almost like you just got a coffee and let it sit for 10 minutes warm. So it may have just been a, what's the word, a physical reaction to that. Cause then I just put that sample in the fridge for. More than an hour because I forgot about it. Then I took it out of the fridge, tasted it, nothing. There's absolutely no flavor change to that water whatsoever. It was just water. So I am now more than confident in using that coil for the chilling of the wort, except for the, I guess, the only lingering question, it's not an exception because I don't know yet. The only question is: is there any leaks? Did anything corrode in those three years? So I'm going to have to do that test as well, make sure it's not going to spew unwanted water into the finished boil of the wort when the brew day comes.

38:07 That strange humming noise that you just heard for a couple seconds is the sound of a pump successfully running. In fact, you can probably hear how strong the whirlpool is in the kettle with the test water. So that's good news because I've waited till the very last minute. It is about 8:30 a Thursday night. I'm gonna be brewing 8 a.m. Friday morning, so less than 12 hours. And if it didn't work, I'd have to adjust the anvil pumps. But I don't have to do that now. So what I'm going to do now, well, first I'm going to shut this down, drain the water, rinse the Boil kettle because this is hose water again. I don't want any of that left over tomorrow. And then I'm gonna set up the anvil inside the house so I can run the timer. I mean, I can run the timer outside, but I don't know what the weather's gonna be like tonight. It's that time of year in Florida where a freak thunderstorm can come out of nowhere. So I'm gonna set it up inside, set the timer. Get it up to temperature by 8 in the morning and wheel it out here, plug it back in, hook it all up. If I take another 10-15 minutes for whatever temperature drop there was moving it, and I'm also going to mill the first part of the grains tonight, so I might talk about that. But let me get sun is going down very rapidly, so let me get this uh

39:25 Pump test all cleaned up, and so I can move everything inside and start doing everything I just talked about. We got the water set, and altogether we're using 11 gallons of water for a five-gallon batch, which sounds like a lot, but what we're really aiming for is six gallons. And when the boil is done, a little more than five and a half of that is going to go into the fermenter. The rest will be what is the trub in the bottom of the kettle. And I know this kettle, and it's roughly about 0.4 gallons is what usually is left behind without picking up too much of the particles and matter in there. So we're starting off and Along with that, we're going to have evaporation of a gallon an hour, which is exactly what you get in the sun here in Florida with a gas boil at the rate and the rolling boil. I'm going to do this. So that's two more down, and there's going to be a lot of grain absorption because this is a huge. Recipes, huge grist. My goal, one of the many goals of this beer is to make that 10% out of malts completely. Well, out of grains, the grist. No sugar, no DME, nothing all malts. So now I'm going to go measure out the grains for the

40:43 First part of the reiterated mash. And I'll talk more about that there actually right after this. All right, so I've been saying reiterated mash several times in these recordings and probably did in the opening as well. It's time to talk about what that is because we're starting it now. And what what it is And we'll talk every step of the way through this, but setting up, it's Where you take your entire grain bill and split it in half, and you're going to. Add it to your mash tun. We're gonna have two additions to your mash tun. And it's not. Here's the thing: this is where the reiterated part comes from. It's not a double mash. A double mash is when you fill it up with water, you mash your grains, you drain it, you fill it up with water, mash your grains, and drain it. When we're filling it up with water, which I just talked about in the last recording, we're going to add the first half of our grains. We're going to mash for an hour, we're going to sparge the grains, and then we're going to take the grains out. But we're not going to drain it and fill it with water. We're going to leave that initial sweetwort that that first mash made in there and we're going to add the second half of our grains to that sweetwort. We're going to build upon the first mash, the first sweetwort we created. We're going to double-ish it, not really like.

42:04 About 1.6% duplicated, I guess you call it. I'm not sure what the math term is there for that. That's what a reiterated mash is. If you did clean water twice, or fresh water, whatever to call it, with unmashed water, not no sweet wort, basically, twice, that'd be a double mash. That's a reiterated mash. And the reason we're doing that. Is a big grain bill. It is, oh god, what is it? It is 20. It is almost 21 pounds of grains for five gallons. Most of my beers are like 10 to 12. And once you get past 12, your efficiency drops. And what that means is the amount of fermentable sugars you get out of your mash. So we need to keep it under 12. And we're doing that. We got a 10 and a half, no, we got a 10.3 and a 10.5. mash our weight grist grist sorry grist for our mash So the, I'm not quite sure how to read out the recipe here, but I'll tell you what's in the first mash. I'll tell you what's in the second mash when we get to that too. We've got

43:05 Six and a half pounds of Maris Otter. That's our base. Then we got two pounds of Golden Promise. That's also part of the base. Then we're gonna put in A let's see, what is that? It's more than a half pound, about three-quarter pound. of Crystal Twenty. Then we're gonna put in Six ounces of Crystal 40, and then we're going to put in half a pound of honey malt, which actually pulled that off another recipe that sounded really interesting for what we're trying to do at the Amburana. And then I'm going to put in a quarter pound of Cara-Pils in this first mash. That's not the entire grist, that's the first grist. So I'm about to weigh all that out now. And mill it for tomorrow so that when the strike water is ready and I get the anvil outside and get ready to mash, I can dump it right in. We want to start, like, I want to get up at eight o'clock. I want to be dressed and ready by 8:10. And then I want to be hopefully mashing in by 8:30. By the time I move everything and get the

44:07 Water back up to temperature. So I'm weighing out the grains now and I'm going to go ahead and mill them. And I'll weigh out the grains for the second mash tomorrow while this mash is going because I'll have an hour to really can't do anything until I have all my sweet wort. So that is the plan. So right now I'm going to go ahead and weigh this out, gonna mill it, and then I'm gonna haven't turned the foundry on yet. So I'll turn the foundry on and set the timer. And then that'll be it for the night. Now I'm gonna have a beer, relax, and go to bed a little earlier than usual so I can get up. Actually, it's not true. 8 o'clock is not, I actually don't even get up that late for work, so 8 o'clock is not too terrible. So I'll probably go to bed at a normal time. Not that that has anything to do with this recording. Not sure how much you can hear me over the mill. I'm milling the grains out I just talked about. It's the spike mill, I think I've talked about it before. One of the best investments I ever made. It does such a freaking great job chewing through these grains. I kind of want to do a quick recording: one, during the milling process to give you another idea of what's going into everything. And second, I want to talk about the.

45:12 If you're familiar with a Wee Heavy, you know it has a very distinct mahogany-like color. Okay, we're almost done here, so I can finally turn this off. Okay, there, much better. So we'll see if the first half of that recording came through. That mahogany color, you've just heard what's going into this first mash, and that grist, not a single thing in there except some of the caramel malts. To a degree, but not even enough, lend to aiding in that color. And that's because the darker malts are gonna go in the second part of the reiterated mash. And I do that, I don't know it's necessary, but here's my thought process: even though it's gonna extract some of those, a little bit of that rose flavor, which I actually kind of want. In this beer, because there's going to be some pale chocolate malt, some roasted barley, just to give you a little hint, it's going to extract some of that roasted flavor. I don't think, though, having it in a sweet wort from the beginning is going to make any difference in putting in the second half of this of the reiterated mash, but I don't know, so I'm not going to take that chance. I want a little bit of it, I don't want it to be overpowering. So, we're going to add.

46:18 Those stronger, specific specialty flavors in the second half of the mash. So that's the thought process there. And we'll talk more about that when we get to that part of the mash. It is brew day and I'm pretty excited to get started. But if you recognize the acoustics of this recording, if you've heard the show before, you probably know I'm in my car. That's because I'm gonna get breakfast because I got up early. I didn't set the alarm early, I just got up early, which is not unusual when I'm off. And on the weekends. And this is actually the paid holiday for July 4th. It's Friday, so it's a weekday, but I'm off and usually. On those days, once I'm up, I'm up. I I I don't fall back asleep even if I want to. For some reason, I can fall back asleep on workdays, no problem, and hit the snooze like seven, eight times and sleep between each snooze alarm. But weekends, when I'm up, I'm up and I was like, I could lay down, but I'm not going to. I know I'm not going to sleep. So I'm going to get some breakfast, which is probably a good idea with the heat and the.

47:23 Labor, it's going to come with this mash to have a proper meal of some sort, at least to have more in my stomach than I usually do. I usually have like a cereal bar and a Red Bull. But I'm going to Wawa to get a big breakfast sandwich of Sizzli, and I'm going to, of course, get a Red Bull. I'm going to pick up some more Gatorade. I do have two bottles of Gatorade, but I'm going to get another two if they're, or one or two, depending on what the if they're on sale, just to have it because it's going to be hot. I was sweating, like my shirt looked like I was in a rainstorm after I did the grains last night, and I was just 20 minutes in the garage after the sun went down. So I know I'm going to be just sweating from the second I step outside to the second I'm done. And it's going to be at least a 12-hour day, if not more. And with that, I think I'm probably gonna go through like three or four shirts because once the sweat. Just sets into the shirt and in this humidity in Florida, it does not dry. So, I'm predicting three or four costume changes along the way, too. But I am about to go in the Wawa, get breakfast, and then I'm going to get started. And like I said, the opening this recording, I'm pretty excited about today.

48:32 Got the anvil foundry outside. I have the pump hooked up. I got the water recirculating. I just added the brewing salts, so I'm letting the kind of water recirculate for a few minutes to get those mixed in, and then I'm going to mash in. In fact, I'm actually going to the garage to get the grains now. It is about well, let's see, not about, let's look at the clock. It is 10:18. So, by the time I Mash in, I'll be about five minutes ahead of. I want to say schedule, but I don't really have a schedule of my estimated schedule. My only schedule of anything is to Be done, however long that takes. But so far, so good. We'll see, I didn't lose any heat in the transfer of the foundry to outside. So I didn't have to wait for it to heat back up, which I kind of put in my plans. But that's where I'm starting to save time. So gonna get the grains mashed in and We'll be started. I am mashed in on that first half of the reiterated. Reiter, oh man, this is gonna be one of those days. Reiterated mash. And this one was a little tricky. I don't know why. I had a lot of doughballs, which I usually don't have with the.

49:48 Since I've been using the spike mill, but there was, and I it was easy to take care of. I got out my old mash paddle that Quinn had made me, Quinn from NEOZAZ made me with my three vessel system. The end of it looks like a hop cone that smashes through dough balls. Just give it a good 30 seconds to a minute, go back and forth, up and down in circles, do that, and they're gone. So. That took care of that. So I have the timer set, not recirculating yet. That was a lot of mixing with that mash paddle. So I'm letting the grain bed settle a little bit and then I'm going to start recirculating in about five minutes. If I were following my predicted schedule. I am a couple minutes ahead, but again, not really worried about that. One thing I added to the grist that I didn't mention yesterday, but I also didn't add it yesterday because I did it today. Put in about a half pound of rice hulls. I think I've talked about those before. They don't add any flavor or aroma or anything to the beer. They just help create. Flow pockets in the grist so you don't get a stuck mash. And the Anvil Foundry, since I'm still mashing on this, since it's tall and skinny and it's a lot of green, it could easily get stuck. So that'll help it not get stuck. Or if it does, help it loosen back up so it starts flowing properly again. If I had my, if I was using my mash tun, the non-temperature controlled mash tun.

51:04 Probably wouldn't do that because it's much wider. So the grain bed gets spread out more. But in this case, I added it and I'll be adding it to the second one as well. Again, it doesn't do anything to the grist and it doesn't really even take up all of its room. Even though when you put them in, when you put a half pound in, it looks like you're not going to have enough room to put your entire grist in. That's because they're so. Light and airy. Once they get wet, kind of shrink down a little bit as far as the compression goes. And they don't really expand or anything. They're just there to let water and at this point sweet wort roll through them. So that's what they're That's what I'm using for. That's what they're typically used for in brewing. So, all right, I am going to eat my breakfast. And by then I should be ready to start recirculating, and then I'll get the crisp together for the second half of this mash. I had the recirculation going for a couple minutes now and then we look like we're good as far as the mash not being stuck yet, at least not starting off stuck. And I usually determine that by taking off, there's a, it's called a, I don't know what it's called. It's a perforated plate that goes on top. It's a drip plate is what I've heard it referred to as. I don't know what's actually what it's called. And that's where the recirculated sweet wort goes over.

52:17 So it can spread across the top of the grain bed as it goes through again. But I take that off and I look, and if the liquid on the sides Of the malt tube that fits inside of the boil kettle. The liquid on the sides is within like a half inch of the liquid that's in the malt tube, pipe rather, not tube, malt pipe. Then I know it's not stuck. This was like dead even. I think, I don't think there was any difference in height. So we're good there. So now I'm gonna get the second half of the grist together. I'm gonna talk about that real quick. And this is where the darker malts are gonna come in, like I mentioned in the last, I was gonna say yesterday, but you heard it in the same recording. But we're gonna start off with the other half of the base malt. And that is another six and a half pounds of Maris Otter and another two pounds of Golden Promise. So that is alone. That's, let's see, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 pounds of base malt, which is already way more than my entire grisp for most of my other beers. Just to show you how big a beer this is intended to be. And then with that,

53:19 I'm going to put in a Pound of flaked barley, which should give a really nice, smooth, textural element to this. We'll see. That's a lot. Sort of, well, I mean, it's not terribly a lot. It might have. I was going to say, it may affect the. Uh, clearness of it? I guess that's the word I'm looking for. The clarity, that's the word. But I'm not real worried about clarity because it's going to be listed, well, it is going to be barrel age, even though it's going to be an oak spiral, but or Amburana spiral, not oak. So I don't think clarity is going to be expected. So I'm not worried about it. And I, again, I'm just trying to make this a unique beer. And along with that, There's going to be six ounces of pale chocolate malt. which I find brings a nice color and a little bit of that Roasted flavor without being acrid or ashy. It's actually very smooth. It's not too chocolatey to me, maybe dark chocolate in that realm, but it's a I like it and you can use a little more of that.

54:20 Than a regular chocolate malt and not overdo it because it's a lower kilned and lower roasted malt, at least in my experience. And then at the end of that, four ounces of roasted barley, which I was thinking originally I was gonna add to the sparge. Use it more as color, but that's a quarter pound against almost 20 pounds. I'm not too worried about four ounces of it taking over. So I think we'll get the color contribution. I don't think the flavor is going to dominate. the rest of everything we read the past two recordings on these mashes. So. save myself a little more time and go ahead and put it in. The rest of the grist on the second mash. So I'm gonna get that together now, mill it up, and then I'll be ready and waiting to be added to the sweetwort once we get past this first phase of the mash. I had a little bit of an oops on this one. Getting the grits together. I was on a roll measuring, dumping, measuring, dumping. I measured out the.

55:26 The flaked barley, and I dumped it in the bucket with the rest of the grist. And you're not, what's the word? I'm gonna say this, although it's more a little less definitive than a statement. You're not supposed to. Mill flaked ingredients. I don't know that you're not supposed to. You don't have to. That's more the word. So I did take out as much as I could. There's still maybe like an ounce in there. It is what it is. All it's gonna do is break it up. It's not gonna destroy it or gum up the works, I don't think. It shouldn't have gone up to mill that little bit of it, but I was like, ah, crud, I didn't need to do that. But oh well. I haven't milled yet. So we're about to find out if that's gonna make a difference. But it's not a lot. I've now mixed up everything. So that like those flakes of barley are kind of in with a bunch of grain. So it won't be a, it won't hit a clump of what was left over on the top of it. So it should be okay. We're about to find out actually. Everything got milled. There was a moment where it kind of like slowed down, and you can see if I stand over the mill, and you can see it kind of funneling down, and the middle of the funnel is where it's

56:38 Hitting the rollers, and that middle like shrunk to a very tiny spot. I think that might have been the pocket of uh. Flaked oats that I didn't mix in as well as I thought I did, but it got through. And everything seems okay. I will probably. This it's a do a cleaning just for the um Oh, what is the malt dust? Anyway, just do that once a year. I think it's been over a year. While I'm doing it, I can actually access the rollers and give them a kind of feel and make sure they're not gummed up. The reason I'm worried and say gummed up a couple times here now is that the flaked oats are pre-gelatinized. There's not a whole lot of heat, but there is heat when it goes through those rollers. So it shouldn't have really, they shouldn't have been in contact long enough to make. Any kind of buildup on them, but I'm gonna check. I'm gonna check the blades or whatever. They're not blades, they're I don't know what they are. I call them rollers, but they're the mill rollers. They're what actually crushed the grains. I'll give them a look, make sure. And if they feel a little tacky, I'll wipe them down. I'll look on the internet. I'm sure not the first person that did that, so I'll see.

57:43 But the remote nations are to clean that off, but They made it through and the grist looks okay. Like whatever other grains were at that pocket, they still got milled. As far as I can tell, good enough. It's tw it's over 20 pounds of grains. If the two ounces of those grains didn't get properly crushed, only partially crushed. I ain't all that worried about it. I just gave the first phase of this mash its second stir. Got another one coming in about 20 minutes. And temperature's holding is at 154. I don't think I mentioned what temperature is mashing at. I was thinking of doing 156, but with the high gravity we're already gonna have and some of these sugars that just aren't gonna convert, it's not, and I don't mean under-attenuate, they're just not gonna convert. Won't be cloyingly sweet, but there'll be a little more sweetness on it. I decided not to. I decided to knock it down a couple degrees to keep it from being cloyingly sweet. At 156, and with the addition of the Amburana, which does bring a unique. Perceived sweetness with it. I thought might be a little too much. Although I do want it full body, but that's why I added like the flaked oats and a few other adjustments I made. So I don't think it's a risky change, but it is a change kind of last minute. And the mash nowhere near stuck, which is great. The water calculation, I actually used.

59:05 Claude to help me with that, the AI agent, because I don't know that it's still right yet. I won't know until the boil's done and I put everything in the fermenter and see if I fill the fermenters and how much is left. But I'm glad to see that the at least the mash side of it seems to be working because that always concerns me with this much grain. And that's about it. I am going to. I was gonna get the hops ready, but really, no sense getting the hops ready now, considering I have a Full mash to do. So I guess I'm gonna maybe relax because sweat level is about four right now. And it's going to get to a 10 within an hour, if not sooner. I'm getting the sparge water together now for the first half of this mash. And I'm actually gonna heat that up inside, even though I have a propane burner and a full, several full propane tanks outside, which would heat it up quicker. I know this is gonna happen. You're gonna hear it in my voice as the day progresses. Once we get to the boil.

1:00:07 Propane exhaust from the burning, which there is some, it's not the smell of the propane, it's actually the exhaust from burning off. And the heat and the inevitable hydration, no matter how much I drink, is going to give me a blazing headache at one point. I know it's coming. I knew that going into this. You'll hear the energy drain from my voice as we get to that point. I'll try to keep that all in check, but I know it's gonna happen. So, with that, I'm waiting till the last minute to have to turn the propane on. So, this is gonna take a little longer, but it's gonna get the job done. It's gonna get it to 170 degrees. So it's no big deal. It's so it's two gallons. It's I have the salts ready. When it gets up to about 100 degrees, I'll put the brewing salts in because that's when they seem to incorporate best over 100 degrees. And then I'll very carefully lock it outside and sparge outside. But that's the reason I'm doing that inside. And I'll do it again for the second mash inside as well. We're 50 minutes into the first mash, and now I am setting this to 168 to do a mash out.

1:01:13 Which just made me think of something that I did not. Consider going into this is will that temperature drop? Back down the 154 when I put the second mash in. I think it'll be okay. As soon as the mash out is done, I'm gonna drop it to 154 again. And oh, I just had the best idea, okay? I am going to, the sparge water is at 142. I'm gonna stop it at 150, 155, just to be safe. That will definitely drop. The 168 down, maybe not the 154, but it'll be less time to wait for it to get down to 154. Actually, 150. I'm gonna stop this at 150. Yeah, I'll do that because I'd rather it'll be easier without getting more equipment out. If it drops before below 154, it'll be easier to heat it up than to cool it down. I won't have to hook up the chill or anything. Didn't think of that. The mashout, it's part of my routine. I'd hate to skip it, especially when I wanna draw.

1:02:23 Every last bit of convertible sugar out of that, which it gives a little bit more, not a lot, but in this case. I need everything I can get out of it. Like I said, it might be a completely unneeded step, but I will feel better having done it. So I'm gonna do it. And it's more for my peace of mind. It's gonna be one of those things where, if I don't do it and I taste the beer and something's wrong with it, I'm gonna blame myself for not doing it. So, I'm gonna go ahead and do it. But I think the sparge idea will help. Now, the hotter the water, it supposedly rinses the grains off more, but I don't see how 150-degree water is going to make a terrible amount of difference as opposed to 170-degree water rinsing the grains. So, I like that idea. I'm glad. I talked this through on this recording. I'm not sure I would have had that idea without verbalizing everything. While I'm waiting for that mash out to hit and hold at 10 minutes, I'm gonna explain what I'm gonna do after I sparge because that is, there's a lot going on and I don't really wanna stop because that's where I could lose time.

1:03:34 So what I'm gonna do, since I'm adding another two gallons of water to the wort, of which like a gallon and a half will probably make it through, is I'm going to, after that's done, I'm gonna stir everything up really well because now we have the lighter wort on top. Stir it all up so it's nice and everything's incorporated. Then I'm gonna drain a gallon of that sweet wort out of the mash tun. I'm doing that for two reasons. One, to make more room in the mash tun so I can add the second grist in there. Two, I'm going to boil down that first. Gallon to about half. Traditional wee heavies, you boil down a certain amount, gallon, gallon or two, well, gallon to a quart. I'm not gonna go that far. I think that's a little more than I would need to do. Plus, it's a new thing I've not done before, so I feel like I could overdo it. So, I'm gonna boil it down to roughly half. I'm still gonna do the traditional. Boiling down to the wort, the initial wort, to bring more richness and fullness to the beer, but I'm not going to go push it all the way because there seems like there's a danger of overdoing it. And

1:04:48 This beer is not going to be lacking for flavor. Overall. So if it wasn't the, if I wasn't going to do the Amburana edition, maybe I'd be a little more, what's the word I'm looking for? A little more daring in doing the full court or boiling it down to a doing the full boil, I should say, down to a court. But I'm going to be a little conservative. So I'm going to boil it down to about half. Not going to be real clinical about it. Gonna kind of eyeball it. And then I'll add that in. Once I drain that final sweet wort after the second mash, I'll add that in with it. We'll start a two-hour boil. So that's all going to happen, like I said, very quickly to get to that point. And it's going to be sparge. Mix, drain, get on the heat, empty the grist out of the malt pipe, rinse down the malt pipe, add the second grist, stir, mash. I gotta do that. Like, I can't stop in any of those steps. That's why I'm recording this now. So that's what will have happened by the next time you hear this recording, or you hear the next recording, I should say.

1:05:54 Got a few more minutes for the sparge to finish making its way through everything in the malt pipes. I can give a quick update. Using the 150-degree sparge water, I think, helped a lot. It dropped at the 160. And I think once I get the malt pipe off the top and let it kind of sit in the air, in fact, I might even fire up the recirculation to help cool it down. Should get down to, if I can get to 158, that should be good because putting in the grains are gonna drop it a couple degrees, and then once things get recirculating, it'll even out. Pretty quick. So I think we're okay there. The sparge did get stuck, which is what didn't anticipate because if you don't have a stuck mash, you usually don't have a stuck sparge. But that's fine. Unsticking a sparge is way easier than a stuck mash. You just break up the grain bed a little bit and whoosh, it goes through. So that was an easy fix. So. You got, let's see, five more minutes to let it drain out. I let it drain for 10 minutes to make sure I get as much as I can out of it. And then I'll go on to that list of things I just recorded in the last segment and get to the second part of the mash.

1:07:02 I'm in the middle of all those things I said I wasn't going to stop and record about, but I am because I just thought of something. I have my one gallon of wort. It's gonna bring it in a boil, but I realize that's only half of the sugars. Like we have the other half to go. So I'm not. Going to do that boil until I have everything together. So, what I'm going to do, and I'll do this in conjunction. Actually, I think everything's going to work out just fine. Once I get the second mash done, I will then collect. I already did pull out a gallon of the wort because I needed the room in the anvil. But I will, once I drain, once I have that second half of the reiterated mash done and everything in the boil kettle, I'll take a gallon out of the boil kettle of all the sugars and then I'll boil that. I'll boil that while the Boil temperature is ramping up on the main kettle. So I don't think I increased any more time except for the few minutes to do this recording. But I'm realized, it's like, wait a minute, this is not going to bring the this half-sugared wort that I'm going to boil down is not going to bring that richness that I intended to do. So

1:08:09 Little change of plans, not boiling it now, but I'll boil it later once I have all the sugar. So we're still gonna add that step into it. It's just now been pushed off about an hour or two. Okay, another quick update. During all of that, the anvil, the sweet wort in the anvil dropped a 156. I rinsed off the malt pipe with cold tap water, cold, and quotes in Florida. So the malt pipe's probably about 75, 76 degrees. Drop that in, 155. Target's 154. We're good. I'm going to get the second bucket of grist, mix that in, and we'll have the second part of the reiterated reiteration. Wow, I'm going to get worse with that word as we go. Reiterated mash. Okay, second half of the reiterated mash is mashed in. Yeah, you deliberately heard me slowly say that word to try to get it out. And that actually sounded more, I think, more awkward than when I mess up the word. Just to recap, what we're talking about, we're talking about a reason, there we go, reiterated mash.

1:09:20 So I mashed half of the grains in the entire Grist, so a little over 10 pounds in fresh water, RO water treated with brewing salts for proper pH and all that. So, but fresh, clean water. Did that for an hour, sparged it. Did not do anything with that sweet word except take a gallon out so I could have the capacity to do the second half of this. Then, once I cleaned out the Malt pipe. I put the malt pipe back in, put in the second half of the grains, which is also a little over 10 pounds, but put it right into that same sweetwort we just made. So no additional fresh water. And that's where we're at now. Stir that in. I'm going to let that mash for an hour. And once that's done, I'll get that into the boil kettle and then we'll get onto the boil. So what I'm going to do now. I do not have what the measurement should be for the first half of this mash, but I still want to get a measurement anyway out of curiosity. I want to see how many more points.

1:10:26 The second half of this mash. gives. So I can kinda get a better number. Of how my system handles a mash like this, because I was basing it on what other people have done because I've not done it on this system before. So I'm gonna go ahead and get that measurement, record it, and then measure the pre-boil gravity coming out of the once everything's incorporated into the boil kettle and see what the difference is so I can use that later if I ever decide to do something like this again. The gravity measurement pre-boil, keep in mind, on this first mash is 1040, which is pretty respectable for a pre-boiled gravity. With a gas boil, it'll probably would be around 1050, or yeah, 1050, which is a five, over 5% beer. Maybe a little more, depending on how well your yeast attenuates. So if I can get 30 more points, that's 1070 two hour boil. 1090, my goal looks like it's 1095, and that's a variable goal. That was me knowing the percentage could be swayed one to two either direction. I explained that in the beginning. So I think we're on a good path. It all depends on how.

1:11:39 Well, this second mash does, because their second half of the mash does, and I don't know how it does on my system. But if we're in like 170. I mean, we're in good shape for where I want this beer to head. So I'm pretty encouraged. That's fun. This has been fun so far. So yeah, we'll see what's going on. Quick heat level check: sweat levels about a six. We're into one bottle of Gatorade. I have four. I don't think I'll have all four today. But it would not surprise me if I do have all four today. And I'm staying as hydrated as I possibly can because I want to. Because I know, and I've explained that before, by the end of this, I'll be hurting. The less I can hurt, the better. So I'm trying. I'm gonna weigh out the hops now, and this is super easy. If you heard just about any other show, especially a hop forward show of any of my beers, there's a whole like list of different editions at different times. This is not that, this is a multi-beer, so it's the hops are there for balance.

1:12:45 It's not adding a whole lot of bitterness. In fact, I think it's gonna be like 28 IBUs in the end. And let me just check. I have the amounts. Okay, uh the times. So 1.6 ounces of East Kent Goldings at 60 minutes and then 0.2 ounces at 15 minutes. And those numbers, they were originally 2 ounces and 0.25 ounces, but I got the package I got of the hops this year for this brew: 6.6 alpha acids, which is kind of high for East Kent Goldings. And I gotta trust that this was checked properly. So I put that in to Get the actual calculation to stay at the same IBU range, which I'm glad because the less hot matter in there, the easier it's gonna be to rack this beer off in the fermenter. So that's good. So, yeah, that's all I have to measure out. That's gonna take me like a minute. I'm going to do that now and then just some more sit around and wait, which I should not complain about because we're not going to have a whole lot of that today.

1:13:52 We're about to get to the mash out step of this phase of the mash. And right before that, that's when I get the sparge water ready. So I'm back inside of two gallons heating up to 170. I'm gonna get it heated completely up to 170 this time for this one. This is gonna be my usual sparge method. And let's see. I guess that's really it for the reiterate, except for saying the word for this mash process. I'm not even gonna bother anymore. I thought I'd be talking a lot more about it, but it's I think having stepped through it now, phase one, explain what I did at the end and start phase two. That's the best way to approach how to explain what this process actually is. So I thought it was gonna be a lot more complicated to get across verbally, but I think talking about it along the way paints a good picture. You let me know if anyone wants more information on that. I don't know who.

1:14:54 Listen to this at Bruise, but be happy to explain what I did. Don't know what the result is yet. Maybe stick around to the end. When I do the tasting, maybe you won't want to know how I did this. We'll see. Got the second half of this mash draining, as you hopefully heard. I kind of pointed the mic at the kettle here, and sparge water is almost at the temperature, it's not quite there yet. It's got like another 10 degrees, should be another minute at most, probably not even that much. And then I'll be able to sparge this, and then we're gonna move on to draining this into the boil kettle. And then I'll grab that gallon of sweet wort, boil that halfway-ish down, and add that back in as the boil is ramping up. That should actually help bring up the boil another degree. Now I think about it. It's not done yet by the time I come back out here. And then the long, long part of the day, not that it hasn't been a long day already, it's been about, let's see. Uh

1:15:55 Over three hours so far. So three-hour mash process, and we're not completely done yet. So it's probably about three and a half hours by the time the mash is done. Long brew day, but I knew that getting into it. And yeah, been fun so far. I'm really enjoying this. I am sparging the second half of the reiterated mash. Yes, I did slow down to get that word out. And the sparge process, no different if you heard the show, but it's been a while. I heated up the water, I have a two-cup measuring cup, and I am pouring it over the drip plate. So I don't know what the thing's called, but. That's what I'm doing. And it's the mashed pipe, the malt pipe, I'm sorry, is well outside of the wort. So it'll go through all the grains, rinse them, pull those last valuable sugars out, and add them to the wort. And once this is done, I'll let it sit here for about 10 minutes. so that everything can drip out.

1:16:56 And then I will drain this into the boil kettle, give it a good stir, and grab that gallon of sweetwort to boil down. I have completely drained the Anvil Foundry and I've got eight and a half gallons, which feels right because I'm about to pull a gallon off and boil that down to a half gallon. So that'll drop it to seven and a half. Add the half back off eight, two gallon burn off for the boil. Six gallons, about five and a half into the fermenter, like I want to get, and leaving that half gallon behind for trub. So, numbers are looking good. Oh, speaking of numbers, I am going to, I almost forgot I wanted to measure this. So, I'm going to go ahead and get a sample and measure this before I pull that one gallon out. Took a real pre-boil, or the actual pre-boil gravity reading, I guess you'd say now with all the words in there. It is 1070 on the nose. So that's what I was hoping it would get to at the very least.

1:18:06 I think my calculations that to get it to 1090 say Like, it needs to be closer to 1075, but it's I'm not too worried about it. So, even if it like Only goes down 10 points, which I'm expecting to go down closer to 20 points, the way this boil goes. Let's see what that comes out to. It's still gonna be in the 8% range beer. So if I do get the total... Ninety five, yeah, nine. Nine percent on the That and if it goes over, well, of course, it's just gonna be higher from there. So, yeah, I mean, I'm happy with this. I think we're gonna get at least eight percent out of this. That's assuming the yeast doesn't over attenuate, which this yeast can kind of do. I don't think it's gonna dry it out, I don't think it can dry it out. The mash temperature I did on this, but it could over-attenuate, and the expected attenuation is 1025. That's the ending gravity. It could go to 1020, could go to 1015, and that's just going to increase the alcohol level. So, my point here is. This is in the range, I think. By the time we're done, I'm very confident this is going to be in the range I want it to be. So assuming the yeast ferment everything properly, we don't have a problem there. But the starting point is where I want it to be. So I'm very excited that this first test of doing the mash on my anvil.

1:19:19 This way, this reiterated mash seemed to have worked out. There's some tweaking to make it a little more accurate, but. That's pretty cool that we're that close. Got the gallon of sweet water up to a boil. I'm fiddling with the adjustment on the electric burner knob here. I want it more of it to simmer because I don't want it to burn. Or scorch, which I'm not really worried about because this is my induction kettle that I use for one-gallon batches, and it's with a thick bottom. It's really good at not scorching things, but I don't want to take the chance. And I'm just kinda gonna watch it. Gonna go back and forth, check how the boil temperature is coming up on the boil outside, and check this. And when it looks halfish. I don't have anything to really measure it, but when it looks noticeably reduced, I'll stop. I don't really want to push this too far. I want to kind of test the waters on this because we got a lot of things that will help the flavor. This is, I want this to do what it's supposed to do, but if it falls a little short.

1:20:25 I'm not terribly worried about it, but I would like to. Try to be a little more, try to include some traditional things in the style I've not done before. And plus, since it's for a special occasion. Make that extra effort, but again, not to the point where I think I'm endangering the beer. So that's where we're at now, and probably. Be doing some time filling once this boil gets up because there's a whole hour where I don't have anything to do. I have to clean things, but that will not take an hour. Just added the boiled wort back into the boil kettle. It's a little more than half. I just, I don't know. There was, I wanted to try this, but I didn't, again, didn't want to push things and screw this up. So it's, it's, uh, It's a little more, or yeah, a little more than half, but not quite three quarters of a gallon. That's fine. What's really cool is that this is the big boil kettle, the full runoff is now almost out of boil. And I thought it would be faster because it went in at about 160 degrees. All I needed to go up another, what's that, 52 degrees to get to boiling in Florida?

1:21:39 So it's pretty quick. I mean, it is about to, the hot break is starting to form. It's going to boil here in less than 10 minutes. So I scheduled again in my seeing how long this might take, I scheduled way longer for the skin up to a boil. So that's going to save us some time here as well, which is great. In fact, okay, I starting to see there's always a little spot that. Bubbles first, and it just started. So we are going to be at boil in less than 10 minutes now at this point. I cleaned up everything I possibly can. I put away possibly everything I can. And I still have an hour and 40 minutes, actually, a couple more minutes than that left on the boil. So I'm gonna do something I usually don't do on brew days anymore. And that's have a beer. Usually that kind of just derails everything, but since I've got so much time to do it, I'm gonna go ahead and have a beer. And I'm having a Helles from Zillicoa in Asheville, North Carolina. We were just at this brewery about this time, two weeks ago, I think, actually. Yes, lunchtime.

1:22:51 Saturday. We were at Zillicoa. It's one of our favorite places. We're there in town for Homebrew Con, and we went and got a couple beers and had lunch. And this, ironically, is not a beer I bought from there. I found it at a local bottle shop just two nights ago, and I grabbed a four pack, and I'm going to have some right now. And it's quite good. So, if you ever, I don't know how widely distributed, I didn't know they distributed in Florida. That's the first time I ever saw it, but I'm happy about it. If you see it, get it. I have never had a bad beer from Zillicoa. One really important thing I forgot to do, but I'm doing right now, is to check the old immersion chiller for leaks. I meant to do that. Like when those first recordings started. So, as you can probably hear. That's water coming out of the coil, so water's going in, water's coming out, and I see nothing spraying or dripping.

1:23:54 anywhere else. So we're good. Okay. I feel better now. Well Not that there was, I had the backup, we discussed this several recordings, but for sure now this coil is ready to go. So I will definitely be using it to chill this batch when the boil's done. We finally hit that one hour mark and I added the first hop addition after what felt like an eternity of waiting. So I put in that first edition of 1.6 ounce of East Kent Goldings and then nothing for 45 minutes. But I'm gonna start sending up the chiller stuff. Although, I mean, it's still a little early, but better to have everything connected and be able to drop it right in the pot than rush to get it done. That's what I'm going to focus on next for the little bit of time that'll take. I will say, surprisingly, with one hour left to go into boil and then probably two hours after that to chill and. Rack everything into the fermenter and then clean up. That I'm not as overheated, sweaty, or just like hot as I expected to be today. I mean, it's as hot as it was all week, all summer, as hot as it always gets in Florida. But I'm not terribly overheated. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm hot, I'm sweaty. I'm not soaking through my clothes like I expected to. So I haven't.

1:25:15 Change my shirt, and I probably won't at this point. I am going to. I can already tell between with all the water and cleaning and the movement it's going to take to clean up, that's when I'll soak my shirt. But I'll be done then, so it doesn't really matter. I do have just the hint of the beginning of a headache, probably because of the more. More of the propane exhaust and a little bit of the heat, both like a double whammy, but more of the propane exhaust. So I've come inside for a little bit to get completely away from it. Maybe that'll help keep that at bay. It'll just make everything easier, obviously, if I don't have a full-blown headache. And I guess I could take something. But when I get headaches like this from the heat, it's like I. Take something once in Like that that's Whatever good that does is the less good it'll do. So if the headache increases after taking something. Even if I take something again, it's really not going to curb it, if that makes sense. I'm not quite sure how to explain what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say is like, I'm going to wait till I feel it's at its worst, then take something, and then that should be the best approach to getting some relief.

1:26:23 Yeah, um And I think this day is going to end up being shorter than I anticipated, but I'm not going to say that because anytime I say something like that, something comes up I'm not expecting. Been good so far. I'm really enjoying this. I wouldn't want to do this method every brew. Like, not at all, obviously. But it's nice to have this option and nice to do something different. So, been fun so far. I'm running the pump now for about 10-15 minutes to sanitize everything in there. I do have a fairly significant airlock issue with the outgoing. Tube for some reason. It seems, I actually disconnected the end going to make sure it was flowing. It's flowing pretty well. I don't know where this airlock is coming from, so I'm not really going to worry about it. More oxygen in this work, the better, because it's going to be a big beer and it's going to need the oxygen to propagate that yeast. So I'm going to let it go. I'm not going to mess with it too much.

1:27:23 More. I already disconnected and reconnected it several times and just cannot seem to get rid of that airlock in that hose. It might get better when it cools down, but I don't know why. But I think it'll pump out the wort out of the kettle. That's the main thing. I'm hoping it whirlpools, but I have a spoon, a big mixing spoon. That I can use to whirlpool. In fact, I mentioned that. I'm going to put that in there too, which I just did, so that gets sterilized as well. And we're getting to the last end of the boil edition, so that's what I'll be back with next, probably. Second hop addition went in. That's the 15-minute 0.6-ounce of East Kent Goldings. And in five minutes, I'll put in the yeast nutrients, and in five minutes of that, the Whirlfloc tablet. And I will actually start pumping the water into the bucket that's going to feed the chiller. Because, let's see, it's two minutes. Yeah, actually, that'll probably be about.

1:28:26 It'll fill it up pretty nicely by then. It's like two minutes a gallon out of that faucet. It's a five-gallon bucket, and it's five minutes. Yeah, that should actually be perfect. And then we'll chill this down and that will take Sometime, but I need to get. I just realized I need to get a thermometer to check the chill rate of this because this is not the anvil where it tells me the temperature. So actually, we will go do that now. 510 minutes left in the boils, I added the yeast nutrients, and that's just about it. I got a little graduated cylinder filled it with sanitizing solution, and I have my stick thermometer soaking in that because I am going to have to take actual physical readings, which I did not consider until now, but I have everything to do that obviously. I kinda just went through that in the last uh recording or at least talking about how I needed to take physical readings. So all prepared for chilling. I'm not prepared for racking yet. And I'm going to rehydrate my yeast, which I never do. But I'm going to this time because I kind of need them up and running, so to speak, when I pitch into this huge wort.

1:29:36 That I think it's going to be huge. It's actually reduced quite a bit. So the starting pre-boil gravity is already pretty high, so I expect the ending gravity to be quite high. So I'm going to rehydrate that yeast. That's going to take about 15-20 minutes, but chilling is going to take quite a while because this is quite a large amount of wort as usual. Okay, boil is done, whirlpool is running, pump is running through the chiller. I have zero airlock now in my chugger pump. I'm wondering if it had something to do with the turbulence of the boil, which I kind of, now that I see that and experiencing this again, I kind of remember that being a thing. Not a problem, just a thing. So now we're good. We are cooking. So, well, not cooking, we're chilling actually. So. I'm gonna let this run for about, I don't know, 10-15 minutes and then take the, I almost said gravity measurement, that's not what I meant, take the temperature and see where we're at before I start adding ice to the boil because we're outside. That ice is gonna melt faster than it does inside. But I bought more ice to compensate for that, but possibly not enough in the Florida heat. We shall see.

1:30:55 Brewing is done, the wort is cooled. It's been transferred to the fermenter, yeast is pitched, put into ALDC. I did take a final measurement. The goal, the target was 1.095. The actual was 1.104, which means we're now out of 10% range and possibly into 12% or severe under attenuation. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it. I have some ideas if it stalls. I think yeah, this is gonna be an interesting Beer in the end. So I'm pretty excited again. I know I've said that all day, but really have been. Good brew day. Cleaning up is going to stink because it's been a while since I've done this. I don't recall what the best way to do this is, especially with this chiller, but we're going to figure it out. Probably have to reinvent how to do it. A little while after I cleaned up and put everything away, and didn't record any of that because it's cleaning up and putting things away. So, nothing exciting there. As far as any tricks I couldn't remember about cleaning everything, nothing really came back to me because I don't think there was any real trick to it. The pump.

1:32:09 is was a little tricky. It's not as easy to Take apart as the anvil ones were, so I just gave it a really good spraying with hot water through one end of the pump out to the other. That should at least get enough stuff out of there so that it won't grow anything or kind of seal shut from anything drying sticky. So it should be good to go next time I use it, which may Mm, nah it's not gonna be three years. It's not gonna be the next brew, but probably do something like this again, not the whole mash, but some kind of gas boil with the anvil as the the Mash ton. I did, let's see, I'm trying to think of things I didn't record. I did add direct oxygen to the wort for about a minute. I do expect the yeast to eventually take off once they do, so I'm gonna put a blow off tube on tonight before I go to bed. I actually thought of that before. Putting it into the fermentation fridge anyway. But I was tired and wanted to be done, so all I wanted to do was airlock it and get it in there.

1:33:10 And put the blow-off tube on later because I knew the yeast are not going to take off that quickly. They may take off tonight yet, like even before I go to bed. But as far as getting to blow-off tube levels, that won't happen. The earliest that would happen is overnight, if even that fast. So, not too worried about that. I should have time to do that. And I think that's about. All except, oh, I did want to mention this is a reason I recorded in the first place. All in all, it was an eight and a half hour brew day. So I'm reasonably sure it's the longest brew day I've ever had. But it not it's not as long as I allotted for. I thought I actually thought it was gonna be 10 hours, but I allotted 12 hours in my schedule for it in case I was wrong there. So eight and a half is pretty. I'm pretty surprised by that, especially with the double, not double mash, I already messed that up, the reiterated mash and then the two-hour boil. That's. Eight and a half hours is pretty good for that. I usually Have a six-hour brew day with the five-gallon batch at the anvil. Sometimes a little shorter if I start the water overnight, but.

1:34:16 Eight and a half for to get it to one point one oh four starting gravity. That's, I'm surprised. I'm pleasantly surprised by that. That's pretty cool. So now it's in the hands of the yeast. We'll see what happens next. It's 15 hours later after pitching the yeast. We do have a Krausen, so the yeast are active. And with that, I added a second dose of oxygen, which is something I planned to do during this whole process, but hadn't talked about it until now. What that does is help the yeast kind of propagate longer and create more cells and take care of the large amounts of sugars that we have in there that use the oxygen to build their cell walls, which The healthier their cell war walls are, the more they're going to propagate. And what I have read, I haven't done that before, but what I have read is: this is about the time to do it. The time listed varies. Like some people say 12 hours later, some will say 18. Most say, I will say, I haven't seen anyone said, do it past 24 hours.

1:35:19 But the kind of physical indicator that I've read, and I've not done this, so I'm not entirely sure, but what I've read is once you have your krausen started to high krausen in that range, we're not quite at high krausen yet. I expect that to be later today. But when you're in that range, that's when it's a good time to do that because the cells are propagating and they'll need that oxygen. It was clearly fermenting, they're clearly propagating, so I added. the oxygen and hopefully it helps blow through the ridiculous amounts of sugars that are in there, even more than I planned. So that's where it's at now. And that's just a waiting game. I expect in about another eight to ten hours to really see some activity and Be really happy that I did put a blow-off tube on last night. I didn't report that, but I did put that on before I went to bed because I was afraid there was a possibility of. The need for a blow off tube overnight didn't happen, but I would be willing to bet money if I didn't put it on there. It would have happened.

1:36:24 For three days in the fermentation, in fact I'm even gonna look at it to kind of describe, you can still see a lot of the colonies of yeast and the turbulence that the whole fermentation process creates with the CO2 release and everything, it's still going very strong. And I think we're past In fact, I can visually see it. We're past the blow-off tube part, which we did need. The blow-off tube was absolutely needed. I'm sure it saved me a mess because for two days, Two full days it was pushing krausen out of the blow-off tube into the of sanitation solution and just the bubbling constant bubbling that was going on. Sounded like a like a witch's cauldron just continually just for for about two days. They didn't actually Check it every hour for 48 hours because I didn't sleep, of course, but it was going strong. But I think we're past the blow-off tube stage, so I'm going to put airlock on. Later today, no hurry. And there's a huge. Let me look at it again. Let's see if I can get like a, there is.

1:37:29 like a good two inches, maybe more. Of trub on the bottom of the fermenter now, and all that is. There's most of it, I should say. Some of it is going to be proteins and particulates, but most of it is yeast because the yeast propagated so much. Now, when I Cold crash it, that'll condense. But right now it's about the biggest. yeast cake, I think I've seen in maybe ever because of the big beer. One little frustrating thing, and didn't dawn on me until I saw the problem. I put in one of my Tilt hydrometers, which they're not. I don't know why I have. Such bad luck with them in general as you're going to hear. But my first bad luck is that they're never accurate, but I don't really use them to measure the gravity. What they are is they're floating hydrometers, and they're supposed to show you what your current gravity is so that you know how your fermentation is progressing. Mine have always been wrong, but the one thing it's really good at is letting me know when things have slowed down or even stopped because the number stops changing. Even though the number is wrong, at least the number stops changing.

1:38:33 Last time I used this particular one, the red one, I have a red one, I have a blue one. The red one, Gave me some bizarre wacky numbers in temperature and gravity. It's like, okay, something, either this battery is going or this thing is dying. Forgot that, and I put that, that's the one I put in. And now I'm getting no reading. So definitely, either the unit is dead or the battery is dead. Hopefully, just the battery. No terribly big deal I have in EasyDens. that only needs a few drops of Beer to get a reading on, and I have the starting gravity. So, between getting the reading, I can even use a refractometer if I want to, but the EasyDens will be more, I guess, more accurate. It'll be less work, less calculations. So, I can still get the reading. with not Terrible amount of effort. So, but I'm nowhere near checking it yet. I'm not going to check it for at least a week. In fact, I might, let's see, it's three days into it.

1:39:34 I think by day five I'll start raising the temperature a little bit. Kind of boost the yeast. So today's day four, right? Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. So tomorrow, maybe. I'll raise it a degree. For two days, another degree for a couple days, up until it seems like we're kind of. Past the point of uh We're levering out on fermentation, I guess. That's what I'll start measuring. So that's where we're at and looking good. Hoping this. Attenuates enough to Get it to that percentage I want, somewhere between nine and ten, though it could be more now that I overshot my original gravity. But if we can at least get in that range and get rid of the cloyingly sweet sugars, I'll be happy. I replaced the blow-off tube with an airlock, like I kind of mentioned I was going to do in the last recording, and the airlock's popping not as aggressively as I expected it to. And now I say that, it seems to pick up maybe the build up in the headspace after the short time the blow off tube was removed, needed to build up. Okay, it's pretty. It's a little more active than it originally was when I just took a look. So, okay, that's probably about the pace it should be now at the fourth day.

1:40:54 Of fermentation, everything still looks pretty active in there, so not terribly worried about it. Like I said, I think in recording I'll take a measurement tomorrow actually, or I'll ramp up the temperature tomorrow. I'll start adjusting and filling with the fermentation and seeing where everything is very soon here and make a plan of when I'm going to think. That this is done. It's gonna be up to the yeast to figure that out. It's really not in my hands, but I at least can kind of plan to see, guess what they're going to do. So my initial fears were a little unfounded, maybe a lot unfounded, because with these readings and the calculation, our gravity right now is 1.020, which for any other beer I'd be making would be sweet. I would say that stalled if that's where we're at in nine days. However, this started very, very high, 1.104, which you probably remember. much better than I do, since you just heard it and it wasn't over a week later. That puts us at exactly, exactly, and no decimal, twelve percent.

1:42:05 So I think we're okay. Wow. Okay. I did not expect to get to 12. And I have some here. In fact, I. I'm going to taste it now. Actually, let me pull. I'm going to do one more read, like a secondary reading. I'm pouring some in another cup to taste and leaving enough to do a secondary reading just in case. I don't know what the problem would be. There should be no temperature range difference. It's at 67, and the room is at 74. So I'm just going to take a second reading for a second opinion, but I'm going to taste. What I have here So, oh my. And no carbonation. That's that's pretty good. Hot. 12% nine days old. And by the time we serve this in August, it is, to give you an idea how long it's gonna sit, it is July 12th. Right? Yeah, July 12th. So we got a month and 16 days, so a month and two weeks, roughly, for it to age. Oh, that's going to be nice.

1:43:11 I'm pretty excited about this beer. So, with it being 12%, I clearly don't want it to ferment anymore. I'm not sure it could ferment anymore. Like I said, there hasn't been any activity for a couple of days. There's probably something going on, but not enough to bring it up. Terribly much, maybe a measurable amount, maybe like 12.1 to 12.2. So I think I'm going to go ahead and start cold crashing. I am going to be, this is my only concern, I'm going to be away. Starting Wednesday. It's Sunday. And I'll be back the following Sunday. So I don't want to cold crash it too quick. Usually the preferred method of cold crashing is over a week, but I might be able to cheat that and do it over the next three days if I give it 24 hours for each step. I'm going to look that up. To see if that is a good idea or a bad idea, but I'm also not wanting to leave it at the temperature it's at for the next week either. So I'm a little torn. So I think I'm gonna lean towards the cold crashing unless I see something that says to 100% not do that. So I'm actually gonna look that up now. And if it's safe, I'm gonna do it now because it is six o'clock and I

1:44:27 will be leaving uh that gives me to date and then I can set it again Monday that's a second temperature drop and then Tuesday that's a third temperature drop then I'm out Wednesday maybe I could like shave off a couple of degrees and do it before I leave Wednesday'cause I have a m I have a close to noon flight. It's 11 o'clock. I won't be leaving the house till about 9.30 10 so I can do it on the way out if I set a reminder. So I'm going to look that up and see what my best plan is. I'm really hesitant to leave it sit another week at 67 degrees because I don't think it'll get too much more for a minute. But again, I can taste where it's at. It needs to age. So I'd like to get that aging done as quick as possible. And then I'll start thinking about doing the Amburana addition when I'm back. So let me look that up and I'll tell you what my decision is in the next recording. Possibly one of the first times in my life I think the internet unanimously agrees, or at least close to unanimously agrees, or closest I've ever seen, I should say, is to let it sit for another week because it's such a big beer and it's still got a lot of things to come together. Letting it sit at this higher temperature.

1:45:38 Is all it's going to do at this point? If it's not fermenting anymore, the live yeast that are still there at the generation they're at in this beer are going to continue to clean it. Everything I've read for big beers like this is to let it sit at this higher temperature. So that decision is pretty much made. In fact, I think I'm going to bump it up just one more degree to kind of get it going again because that's what I've seen. I've actually seen 68 to 70 at this point. I don't feel comfortable at 70. I think that's too warm, but 68 I can live with. So that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna bump it up to 68 and let it sit for the time I'm gone. And when I come back, we'll work with the Amburana. Back from my trip, and once I got in and settled, unloaded, and all the things you do when you return from a trip, I checked out the spirals and they're completely submerged in the bourbon now. They've taken on enough liquid, absorbed enough liquid to now sink and no longer be buoyant. But I did ask my wife to shake that mason jar.

1:46:39 Every time she could think, could remember, just to make sure it all got covered. So it looks good. I am going to let it sit for. Couple more days and then I'll add it. And then I'm going to take a sample every day. Everything I read said sample it every two days, but I really don't want to accidentally cross into what I think is too much. By one day, if I can avoid it. So I'll be sampling it like every 24 hours until I get the balance I like on the beer. And I did buy a medical pipette, a Pyrex glass something. Some kind of medical grade, not well, I don't care about the medical grade, but it's a medical type of pipette. To take a sample, it's a little more maneuverable than my wine thief in the top of a carboy. And I should be able it's I forget how many milliliters it is, 20, 30? I think it's 30. Yeah, 30, because I wanted it long. I wanted to get it a sample from the top, middle, and bottom, because I'm sure without agitation, those flavors are kind of gonna congeal around the wood. So that should give me a nice sample and a little more controllable too than the wine thief to do samples like that.

1:47:52 Uh, yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but I will soon. Probably in three days or so, it'll be probably very soon in recordings for you. So that's it, that's where we're at. Looking good, ready to get the Amburana on and Kind of finish off the flavor profile of this beer and then get to packaging and aging it. It's another brew day, but that's not what this recording is about. I'm just saying that in case you hear the fans for the Anvil Foundry going from where I'm recording, I am talking about, I just added these spirals to the fermenter, and two things I wanted to talk about. One was spirals, it is plural because I had to break it to get it into the jar. That I was soaking in with bourbon. I don't think I mentioned that before. It just kind of dawned on me now because the process I went through this time, I had to go through twice, and it was a little more ordeal than I thought it was gonna be. Everything I had read said to add the spirals when you're at fermentation temperature, not after your cold crash. So I, and Amburana, as I've mentioned several times.

1:48:57 Does not need a lot of contact time. So I'm figuring I'm gonna take these out in a couple days and then I have to cold crash for like you know week after that. I don't wanna leave them in that extra week because then it's gonna, it may not draw as much flavor when it gets to the cold crash temperature, but the cold it's not like if flipping a switch. So I wanna get those spirals out before I get through that process. So what I did was get I got some fishing line. Cut a couple strands of it, a few feet, I don't know how long I didn't measure it, and I actually soaked them in sanitizer. I don't know how dangerous unsanitized fishing line is, but I figured why take that chance. And then I tied them to the spirals and then tied them to the other side of the fishing line to a toothpick so I could just pull them out when I think the flavor is ready to go. I here was the tricky part. I put on not rubber gloves. I think they're called nitrate gloves. They're blue gloves. I'm not even sure. Nitrate sticks in my head. I'm not sure that's the right word for them. It begins with an N, but I put gloves on so I could tie them because I knew I could be handling the spirals with this, tying the fishing line onto it.

1:50:05 Fishing line is very difficult to maneuver with any kind of gloves on, apparently. And it took me way longer than I thought it was going to. But I did get them tied on. And then I could tie the other ends to the toothpick with my hands because that part of the fishing line wasn't going into the beer. But oh my God, I thought this was gonna be like. I don't know. I was gonna say 10 minutes, but I don't even think I thought it was gonna be that long. I don't know how long it was. It was way longer than I expected. But they're in. I'm gonna start sampling in a couple days, maybe even just one day, 24 hours, just to see how fast this is gonna add character to it. But they're in, they're soaking, they're hopefully doing their job and making this beer just a little more. special for this event. It's been two and a half days since I put these spirals into the Wee Heavy and I checked it just like the, I think the internet almost unanimously, if not unanimously, has been talking about Amburana in beer has said start checking in two days. And now I see why, because it is.

1:51:14 Exactly. what I want in this beer right now. In fact, Just to save another recording, I've now taken them out because I could see how. Well easily one more day wouldn't be too much. I just didn't even want it to give it another hour. I was like, I'm getting up now. This is exactly what it tastes like. And it tastes phenomenal. The wee heavy bass is still there. There's an accompaniment of that cinnamon type. Flavor that Amburana brings without being like that, the kind of sharpened little burn that cinnamon actually does bring. It just has that little bit of flavor. There's a nice wood tannic quality to it. And then there's just a hit of vanilla. It's the vanilla in from the wood, but just a little bit of all of that. Mixed in with the or accompanying, I should say, well, mixed in, I guess, technically with the base that Wee Heavy is amazing. This is exactly what I hoped it would be. And I'm glad I checked the beer when I did easily. This has only been two and a half days, roughly. I'm guessing the half. One more full day would be too much. If this is what two days has done,

1:52:23 And one more day would have been too much. So this is. Yeah, the, I don't even say the rumors, the reports of Amburana infusing quickly is no joke. No joke. So I have got those spirals out. I am now cold crashing because it did say when working with wood in general, whatever it was, Amburana or otherwise, should do it at your fermentation temperature. Not, you shouldn't do it cold, is what it came down to. So now. I've already set everything up to Cold Crash. I put the CO2. Straps on there and yeah, just gonna cold crash it for probably about three, four days. Well, after it gets down to temperature, so probably next five days, I'll do the temperature ramp down in three over three days. So it's doesn't shock whatever yeast is in there and make them do anything weird to the beer. That's Of the Few yeast that are still alive, and then keg it and carb and start getting it ready for the event. I am in my car, but I'm not driving out to get anything related to this beer nor dropping off anything related to this beer. I'm in my car because there was such a long time between kegging and letting that beer just kind of mellow and age and blend together and then actually carbonating the beer. But by the time I got to carbonating the beer,

1:53:46 Apparently I forgot I was recording this episode because it didn't even occur to me to record while I was doing that. So it just hit me now that I didn't do that. I did it like three, four nights ago, day actually days ago, it was on the weekend. Little while ago, so I'm recording now. There was nothing special to report. It was, I looked in the style guidelines to see what the carbonation level should be, and it's moderate, which is good because the Blichmann QuickCarb that I use is what it does the best. It's a little It struggles with getting it highly carbonated and the like a lower carbonation, like for a British bitter, it does okay. I think it's still a little too much, but that's actually easier to remedy than when the beer's not carbonated enough. But that middle ground, that moderate, medium carbonation, whatever word you use to describe the middle ground of carbonation level. It does that pretty much. automatically so

1:54:46 That's what I did. Ran it for an hour and 20 minutes. That's 20 minutes longer than they say you need to, but. with the Florida. heat the temperature rises On the beer very quickly when it goes through the lines and is to the open air, because I don't really have a way to do it in a refrigerated system. So I put the extra 20 minutes to get a little more in there. I also increased the carp the PSI. On the regulator about halfway through to push a little more in there too to compensate for the temperature. But that was done. I tasted it when it was done. It is. Better than it was last time I tasted it, and now it's going to be Aged for, let's see, I did it Saturday. The event is Friday, so well, a week. It'll be a week by the time I'll be a week in a few hours by the time I serve it. but I'm gonna probably pour myself a glass. Ish, just a little bit, half glass, because this is mostly for the event Thursday or Friday to record an in-studio recording of the tasting. So that is actually next. I don't think there's anything else to talk about.

1:55:48 If there is, that'll be before that, but the tasting is coming very soon. You've sat through probably the longest episode I've ever recorded. We're nearing the end. Alright, it is finally tasting time and I'm incredibly Excited to talk about this beer and describe it. And first, let's start with the appearance. It is generally, I guess you call it a mahogany brown. And if you Hold it up to the light if the light catches it right. This is kind of hard to take a picture of, but you can see it in the picture. There's like a ruby-ish highlight to it, not quite bright red ruby, but definitely in the ruby spectrum. And like I said, you can see it on the cover photo. In fact, if you see the cover photo, you'll see it's held right under a light to try to catch a little bit of light to give the Color a little more of a showcase of this beer because it's just not a flat brown. It has a very small head that is already gone, had a very small head on pour, I should say, because it's actually medium light carbonated.

1:56:53 And it's a little undercarbonated for style. And that's not really what I planned. I did actually carbonate it to the volume it should be, but Do you believe the very high alcohol percentage on this is what kind of didn't let the carbonation set into. The rest of the body of the beard. It's still carbonated, it still has some body to it. I'm not saying at all that I wanted more, I'm just saying that's kind of where it went. And that's and the head just completed it dissipated, which I expect with every high ABV beer Russian Imperial Stout, barley wine, old ale. They're not known for their giant head retentions. But let's get to the important part here, aroma and taste. You rummage right off the bat. You get a Completely I mean a completely incredibly complex Array of aromas. And it's hard to pick out what's first. In fact, Every time I go back to this

1:57:55 It's something is different. So, I'm just gonna tell you everything I'm getting from this. So, first, I get a very light. Like a breath of alcohol. Like, there's a little bit of that heat sweet alcohol just coming off the top of this. And behind that Is the malt character definitely the specialty malts the long boil melanoidins are present really present a hint and I mean a hint Of what I might call a roast character, maybe slightly closer to coffee. I think, I mean, coffee is a roasted type flavor, but it's a little less harsh and straight up roast from my description. So I'd say just a touch. Kind of that coffee roast. And then. Get That wood character, but not super strong, not like a raw wood, just a little bit hidden of it there. And Weaving in and out of everything I just described is a cinnamon-like aroma and a vanilla-like aroma. And that's

1:58:59 Actually, a characteristic of the wood. That is from the Amburana. It's Pulled that, well, the last three things I said there. The wood character definitely has pulled that out. The cinnamon character, that is from the Amburana wood. And the vanilla, it's the vanilla in the wood itself, in the yoke itself. So. That's where all that is coming from. There was no vanilla, no cinnamon in this beer whatsoever. Now on to the tasting. This This is a beer that just gets better. every time I taste it. And I think it's because This is the first beer in a long time. I made that benefits from aging. It just gets so much better. I can't believe how much better this is. I just had this. Let's see, it was that was Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, three nights ago. In fact, I probably had it. Almost exactly now. It's it's three nights and plus some hours. I know I think I had it about four o'clock. And it's a Six now, if you wanted to know. So it plus two hours.

2:00:02 Three days later, it's not a completely different beer. It's an even better version of the beer than what I had three days ago. It's as un Unbelievable. And everything I described in Aroma. comes out so strong in the best possible way on taste. So let me Let me get you some specifics other than just help. I'll just say it, how fucking good it is. Mm-hmm. One thing I've noticed as opposed to when I kegged it. I actually kinda noticed this a little bit Few nights ago. The alcohol, like when I first, when I after I carbonated this and then ran the lines, there's about 15 feet of line. The beer just gets stuck in there after you carbonate. You don't want to push it out either because then you're pushing oxygen into your keg and that's bad for beer. So I just drained the lines into a glass and tasted it. It tasted very good, much like this, but it also tasted like someone put a shot of whiskey in my. beer, but it was a it was in a good way. That alcohol heat that That burning, that kind of like spirit.

2:01:07 Character, that's gone. It is smooth. You know, there's alcohol in it because you can taste it, but the burn is completely gone. What is a little more prominent than it was before is the tanic character of the wood that kind of tannins that pools. That gets pulled out of the wood. So there's a little more wood character, or at least it's coming out more now because that alcohol heat is gone, I think, but in a very pleasant way. But let's keep going here. Depth. That rich malt character. Is just such a good base for everything else this does. And the cinnamon and vanilla character from that that wood is just such a compliment to that. It's not a, I wouldn't call it a Direct character of the beer. It's a compliment to everything else in here. Maybe a little, I am entering this as a wood-aged. Now, since I have some left over, in fact, spoiler alert, Taste has come and gone. We'll talk about that here shortly. And oh oh man, I'm swirling it and I just Took a bit of I have it in a snifter basically, a tulip glass, so is actually what it is.

2:02:13 The aroma is so good. What was I saying? Oh, I entered this as a wood. Uh beer, and if the judges really need to know what Amburana is, they also are going to say it should be in a spice beer because it can kind of taste like a spice beer character. In fact, like Be interesting to enter it in both, but I am not giving that much away to beer judges and beer competitions. I'm keeping. But little what there was left. There's enough for the next competition and then enough to enjoy with some friends and hopefully let's sit for a little while, a couple bottles as well. So let's see, let's keep going here. It is just so incredibly complex. I mean, this is without a doubt. I mean, there's not even, I can't even think of a close second place. This is the most complex beer I've ever made in my life. And it's just so. It's not crushable because you don't want to drink a big glass of just this because it all that complexity can get a little palate fatiguing, but a nice 10-ounce tulip glass, which is what I have.

2:03:14 And I actually had to split it with my wife. Uh she said you shouldn't drink all that, it's twelve percent, so you should give me half of it, which is what I did and uh it's this is that's as much as you you want of this. You may want two of these eventually, but probably not back to back. I am this was made exclusively for Taste. But I'm going to make this again for me. It's. I am entering what I have in the next competition. One, because I need the entries, and two, it would be fine. I think it's fine. There's not like any kind of contractual obligation. Be kind of cool to put a follow-up post that the Taste exclusive beer is now a whatever metal award-winning beer if it happens to place. We'll see. It might not do anything, and no one will ever know who I entered it. But I'm gonna make this again for me. And um for for friends and and people in my brew club to share, uh this is not a festival beer. This would not be appreciated at a festival the way so many people come and just

2:04:17 Drink to drink. This, this might be one, it might be one when I do make it again. I might grab like four bottles. And when you start getting people that you know appreciate beer, say, hey, you want to try something? Unique, but it's not something you want to make five gallons of and put on tap because you're you're basically Giving away a lot of work. That's the other thing about this. What I'm really, really happy about is that. I can taste every bit of work that went into this. And I'm not just saying that because I put all that work into it. You can really taste. You can taste the three hour boil. You can taste that it's all grain. There was no Direct sugars or what was the other thing? Um Any malt extract put into this to get the ABV. It's all grain recipe. The you can taste the three-hour boil, that really rich. That's, I didn't talk about body, so let me talk about body real quick. I mean, no doubt it's full-bodied. It's lightly carbonated, which is fine. It has some carbonation to it. Um I was aiming for more, but I think within it works. And I think that's about all you'll be able to get into it with this 12% alcohol. Um smooth and I'm not sure what else to say about it. Body is it's definitely uh

2:05:28 What you'd expect for That beer, so but you can taste that. The whole three-hour boil is in that. The the very careful timing of the Amburana noticeable, I think, or uh recognizable because it's not too overwhelming and it's just enough to balance it out. And I think the fact that it's starting to age now is also showing as well in a very, very good way. So I take one more sip before we talk about taste. So this was a pretty big hit at Taste. In fact, we were a pretty big hit at Taste. We had the most beers. Brews. I shouldn't say beers. We had the most brews of anybody by far in the beer garden. We had 16. Five meads. Four siders. No, four Celters, sorry. Three Celts, sorry. Hold on, was this? Let me see. Five meads. Yes, five meads, three seltzers, one cider, and the rest were beer. Okay, I had the. Go through that again. I don't even try to name everything that was on there, but this was one of them. And having it listed at 12% and having it listed as a Taste exclusive really made this beer move. It was probably one of the kegs.

2:06:33 was The most Well, I don't want to say this empty. Here's the thing. This was not a beer fest. And these aren't, weren't all. There were 2,000 attendees. It was a huge event. Absolutely huge event. 2,000 people, 2,000 tickets sold. Not all 2,000 people were beer people. So we didn't kick anything, which was good. We had everything available. But we came home with a little more, I'd say a little more than half of what we brought as far as total capacity. The Amburana. This one, the Wee Heavy Sweet Charity, that's probably about half full when I brought it home. What else did I bring? The Pale Ale was a little more than half full, and I made a black IPA. Now it was about half full. And that's about what everything was: give or take. Some were a little, a little more, some were a little, a little more full, some were a little less full. But we know now what we can. expect as far as how much we're going to serve next year because we were invited back on the spot. Having 2,000 people having paid an incredible amount of money for their tickets, I was incredibly shocked how friendly, I know this sounds weird, how friendly, nice, and happy everybody was to be part of this. Because I don't know that I didn't expect this directly, but it wouldn't surprise me that someone came in with a chip on our shoulder saying, I spent this amount of money. I am going to be.

2:07:53 Ultra-critical to everything that I'm getting for it. And no one seemed to be. Or maybe our beer and cider meads and seltzers are that good. I'm not sure. My point is: it was an incredible night. It was a lot of fun. Again, I said this before we got invited back on the spot. We got invited to three other events as well. One we can't do. It's like a music festival that it's actually a for-profit festival. So we can't do that legally, but we can do the other two if we decide to do them. I made no commitments because we already do 12 local things. Branching out to a 13th and 14th might be a little. little much, but incredible night. And here's the thing, here is the biggest thing about this. Is the money that it raised in one night in one event from five o'clock? That's when the media came in. There weren't even people there yet, five o'clock to 11 p.m., six hours. Of coming in. And there was other chances for donations. There's a thing called a wine locker where our wine door where they had like hundreds of keys. I couldn't even count how many keys yet. 75 bucks a pop. One of those keys opened a door that was on standing on a door free on a door frame and behind it was a huge mountain of wine. I think it was like$7,000 of wine.

2:09:01 So I don't know how many of those keys got sold, but a lot. There's a liquor locker. Same deal. You're given, I think, a combination or maybe a key as well to open a locker. And I think that was like$1,200 or$1,500 a beer. That one was a four-digit, or not beer of liquor. That was a four-digit price. So another thing you said, I think that was a$50 fee. There was the giving tree. You paid whatever the fee was for that. I want to say$50. I'm not sure. It was some amount, and then you just go and pull one of the Cards, the envelopes that are on the tree. They're envelope-branded envelopes for Taste. You pulled one off, and inside it was something like. I don't know who gave what, but let's say if Big Monster Brewing was an actual brewery, I probably would have given them like a$100 gift certificate. So they would have doubled their money. Something that's the kind of things that were in there for restaurants and breweries and wineries and distilleries. And then there was, we got to participate in something this was pretty cool. There was called the Beer Passport. Had all, there was 18 beer stands, 16, sorry, 16 beer stands.

2:10:02 And in this passport was the uh every every brewery and a little description of them and a little block like you would stamp your passport. They give us these little circle stickers to put in. And if somebody, anybody, everybody, everyone that had the beer passport, if they had that completely filled out with all 16 stickers, they put their name. Phone number, contact information on the back of the passport and put that into a uh drawing box. And there was two prizes. We were in Beer Garden 2. Our Beer Garden 2 had a really nice Metal BrewDog. Cooler that was full of BrewDog cans. And then the other side had a Lost Coast branded. Refrigerator filled with C V distributor. distributed cans. So two prizes for that. So we got to participate in that. So that was a lot of fun as well. There's not much about any of this episode I'm not happy about. The brew day went well. The fermentation went phenomenal to get a 12% when I was aiming for nine. And the final product is, I don't know if it's the best beer I ever made because I've made a lot of beers I'm really happy with, but it's definitely the most complex.

2:11:18 Yeah. It's one of the best. It's definitely the best high ABV beer, hands down. Take my old als, take my. Barley wines that I made during the pandemic, and they don't hold a candle to this. So, if I were to classify my beers, I'd say this is the This is the best high ABV beer I made. And here's something I hadn't noticed until now. I'm swirling it again because that armor is really good. There are legs. Down the sides of my glass. And that is an indication of how thick the how viscous the ABV is on this. They're sheeting down. Usually that's something that's reserved for sack meads because they're in double digits. But this is doing it in this beer. And I'm going to have another sip of it again. I can't believe how good this is getting. And it's warm now, too. And that's just as good. This is one of those rare beers for me where it's as good as it is cold as it is warm. Most of the time, when they get warm, something about it starts to express out, especially the hoppy beers. That's when things like start getting a little grassy and vegetable. You want to drink an IPA cold or a pale ale. Pale out is a hoppy one. This tastes exactly the same.

2:12:31 As it did when I poured it, only warm, but it still tastes the same. Fantastic. I am So happy how this came out and how much work I put into this paid off, and I am. Happy to do it again. All right. That is it. That is, I believe, now officially the longest. Episode I've ever recorded of this series. Might also be the only one I've done for 2026 so far. So we'll see what I can do about that. No promises, but with this one being such a special occasion, a special event. And a special beer, I wanted to record this. So, on that note, thanks for hanging in there for however long this comes out to be. And until I see you in the next episode, cheers.

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2:15 Prowl it did. That evil's name was Kevin Campbell. The son of a poor man, his mother left when he was just four and a half months old. His father always told Kevin that his mother had been a sophisticated lady. and that he had never understood what she had seen in him. this. Kevin idolized his father. a mechanic at the local Oldsmobile dealership. Childhood was tough for Kevin. But as his father said, Only the tough survive. Being alone most days after school. Kevin got lost in his own imaginary world. A world in which he was loved, and the center of everyone's attention. Kevin eventually followed in his father's footsteps, becoming an ASC certified mechanic specializing in Oldsmobiles. Friends described him as an intense person and difficult to get to know. Kevin was an intense guy. Obsessive, you might say, he once spent three months searching the Midwest for a 1915 REO Speed Wagon for a collector who claimed they were impossible to find.

3:24 Kevin ended up finding one in a farm in upstate Michigan that was pristine. not even a scratch on it. back before the internet. God knows how he tracked that thing down. He made quite the profit on that one. That was Neil Dunby, a co-worker at Rich Rath Oldsmobile from 1976 to 1981. Kevin was a bit of a loner, but Every now and then I could talk him into going out on the town, so to speak. Champaign only had about three nightclubs and a few bars worth going to. I remember one lonely night we were at Golden Country. That's the cowboy saloon down by the farmlands out west. And we got to talking to a couple real fine ladies. One of those ladies was named Deborah Harold. Deborah, or Debbie as her friends called her, had just moved to Champaign in 1979 from Wisconsin. She was a wild eyed blonde with a big personality. The complete opposite of Kevin. But you know what they say about opposites attracting.

4:26 We saw Debra and her friend Kimberly at the end of the bar doing shots and throwing darts. They were loud and wild and hot as hell. I had to get a few drinks into Kevin before I could convince him to come with me and talk to them. Neil and Kevin approached Deborah and Kimberly hesitantly. But as soon as they were in arm's length, Debbie grabbed Kevin and kissed him drunkenly. When she was done she pushed him away. grabbed her lipstick and scrawled her number on his arm and said, Homey. Call me anytime. Kev was head over heels immediately. He was almost like a Looney Tunes character, you know, floating in the air while she was kissing him like Bugs Bunny with his feet trailing out behind him, you know? Kimber and I just watched and laughed and I said, I guess we should kiss too, right? We did, and we've been married 42 years now. When you know, you know. That was Kimberly Dunby. Debbie's former roommate, Neil's wife.

5:29 An owner of Kim's Candle Collective. I remember Kevin. He was shy for a guy his size. He was built like a truck, but he usually let Debbie call the shots. At first at least. After she broke up with him, he kinda changed. He ever really accepted that it was over. Neil and Kimberly kept in touch with Deborah after she moved to San Francisco in 1982. I visited with her in her modest studio apartment on the bay a couple months ago to discuss what happened between her and Kevin between 1979 and the spring of 1981. Kevin was a good looking guy, real shy. I was a bit crazy back then and wasn't looking for anything more than a casual hookup every now and then. I'd just been dumped by someone I really like back in Wisconsin. Probably all my fault. I was a bit much. I actually scared the guy so much he hopped a bus to Canada and went off the grid. I mean I did kinda kidnap him after an argument at a bar one night.

6:32 Anyways That's where I was when I met Kevin. I never really said we were an item, but he acted like we were married. I was seeing a few guys at the same time and it wasn't a secret. But he said, You know I know all about those men, but it was us, baby, way before them. And we're still together. Kevin became more obsessed as the year went on, telling everyone that he was engaged and that Debbie was his soulmate. This was news to Deborah. One night Kimberly asked her if they had picked a wedding venue. And Deborah had had enough. She went to confront Kevin. He was under a car at the time, but I couldn't let this go any further. He was telling everyone that we were gonna get hitched. I tried to explain that I don't like to get pinned down. At least not like that. I like my love like I like my fast food. I take it on the run, baby. If he wasn't gonna let me be who I am, then it was time for me to fly.

7:34 I can hear him sobbing under that Cutlass Ciera and I almost caved right then. Then he rolled out from under it and looked at me with this intense look. He said, I don't wanna lose you. Look, I'll roll with the changes and we can take our sweet time. He looks so sad and vulnerable. I decided to go against my better judgment and I stayed. Kevin's obsession with Deborah grew each day. He started following her home from her job at the local Sears Catalog Call Center. even when she worked the long shifts during wishbook season. I told Debs I I feel better walking her to her car when we got out at three AM. She had just told me about Kevin and his dedication to her happiness, but I told her, I can't fight this feeling that something just ain't right about him. That was Bruce Hemlock, former call center colleague of Deborah's and now owner of Bruce's Tattoo and Tea Shop. I talked to him over a Darjeeling while getting a small tat of the infinity symbol on my wrist. A couple of months later in February of 1981,

8:38 Deborah met Kevin for dinner at Sizzler. There she had planned to end their relationship once and for all. She had hoped that he would be too full after eating the king's cut prime rib to be upset with her. She was wrong. He was super quiet. He just kept nodding his head as I explained that I had to follow my heart and pursue my dream of working at Ghirardelli's in San Francisco becoming a sundae girl. I needed to cut all ties and be free. I told him that we had been riding the storm out, but I just couldn't do it any more. I wanted us to have one last good night before I left in the morning. I was so excited for Debbie. She was gonna live her dream. But then she never came home that night. I called the cops, but they told me that she had to be missing for 48 hours before they would consider her a missing person. So I just had to sit at home by the phone hoping she would call me. Kevin called in sick that day, which was weird.

9:41 He never called in. Never missed the chance to get up in a chassis. A few days later he was back, but was even more quiet than usual, and he kept looking at the clock. He would run home for lunch, also weird. He normally had a bag lunch with some tuna helper. That man lived on tuna helper. Sometimes, when he came back, he had scratches on his arms. He said he got a cat and had to check on it during the day. That cat was actually Deborah, who was locked in the unfinished basement of the home left to him by his late father. Here she slept on a bright green beanbag chair and paced on the dark orange shag carpet, plotting her escape. Her only light source, one of the few things left by Kevin's mother, an oil rain lamp with two brass dolphins. Each day Kevin would come to check on her at lunch and ask her to reconsider staying with him. Every night he would sit and plead his case.

10:43 I remember he would go from sadness to anger. He said I think I learned what love is, but I'm afraid I let it go and How can you just turn around and let me go? Let the story of your life with mine forever go untold. He always started rhyming when he was upset. Every night for seven days, I dealt with him saying, I'm gonna keep on loving you, cause it's the only thing I wanna do. He wasn't sleeping. He just wanted to keep on loving me. Champaign was a sleepy little town, with only a skeleton police force. The biggest crime they had ever needed to investigate was a notorious pie thief of 1976. So investigating a missing person wasn't their strongest suit. I spoke with now retired deputy David Dink. We figure she probably moved on without telling her roommates. I mean heck. Kim and Neil are too busy looking at each other, so she probably didn't even notice Debbie saying goodbye.

11:47 Those brass dolphins became my salvation. I found that they were just loose enough to pry out of the lamp and just heavy enough to knock Kevin out. They put up more of a fight than I ever expected. The oil from the filaments clung to everything, turning the whole thing into a greased mess. I had to brace the base with both feet, hauling with everything I had just to pry them loose. When they finally gave way they shot free so fast, and so drenched in oil, that it slipped right through my hands and blasted upwards, catching me square in the mouth and taking my two front teeth with it. Luckily the carpet was already pretty dark, so Kevin didn't see the blood when he came to bring me my daily tuna helper. I knocked him out, took his keys and ran out of there. My adrenaline was pumping so hard. I don't even remember getting in my old gremlin and driving back to my apartment, or if I locked that damn basement door. She did not. Kimberly called Deputy Dink and he went to Kevin's home to arrest him, but he had gotten into his Oldsmobile Starfire and fled.

12:55 despite a nationwide APB, he was never heard from again. That is until 2005, when Debra received a message on MySpace from someone with the handle MusicMan72. I get this weird DM from this random guy and he messages me. You are still in my dreams. No matter where you are tonight, a part of you is here with me. Then a picture of Kevin standing on a beach with this necklace that I swear had my two front teeth in it. He was a little older. A little grayer. But it was him. Deborah showed me a screenshot she took of the photo, and I recognized it as being taken at the Venice Beach Pier. a location I knew well in my investigations. I spent several weeks showing this picture to the locals. Hoping to find Kevin, but to no avail. It just left me with more questions. What happened to Kevin?

14:05 Is tuna helper better than hamburger helper? Why did Deborah seem so familiar? How does one make a necklace with human teeth? Will I ever solve the case? All burning questions I hope to answer. Until next time, this is Rocked. I'm Larah.

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0:02 To Indiana Jones in Character, the podcast that takes a closer look at the artifacts that make up the world of Indiana Jones. Backstories, histories, and details about some of our favorite characters. And now, here are this week's hosts of Indiana Jones in Character. Hello and welcome to... Indiana Jones in Character. Are you surprised? Were you surprised when I was I'm I think I'm all you're always surprised. I'm always surprised, especially I told you a story off recording. We were driving, and you sent a text: I have an IJIC idea. And I hit play through the car and it said, I have eject. I was like, what is Dave saying? And then, rather than look at it on my phone, which you know, it's whatever. I'm driving, blah, blah, blah. Well, you shouldn't look at your phone while you're driving. You did the right thing. Yes. I played like three more times. I'm like, what's he saying? And they had to look. I go, oh, Indian Jordan character. And I was like, ooh, we haven't done that in a while. Dave had a stroke.

1:04 Yeah, yeah. It was autocorrect. though. I'm excited for this one because I have no idea what we're doing because I never do. Well, I barely do either. But been long enough. We need to do something because It's it's uh always gonna be my favorite thing, even if I don't I know people are excited about this ride. I know that's going to be coming out. I'll check it out if I ever have the opportunity, but it's not like. But the new ride? Yeah, there's a whole new with Harrison Ford. It was on the D3, D23 thing. His image, his voice, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I mean, how many times are you going to see this ride? Like, I haven't been to any Disney, I love Disney parks. I haven't been to one in. Over a decade. So even if I go, I'm gonna ride it once, maybe twice? And then I'll I'll probably never write it again. I'll probably be dead. You know, like fingers crossed, you'll die on the ride. Yeah, right. They could just throw my old bones in the corner, it'll be part of the scenery.

2:09 If it was me, I'd be wearing an Indiana Jones shirt and of course signed by who's that pilot name? I don't even know that guy's name from here. Jock Lindsey. Yeah, him. Yeah, yeah. It'll be, it will have his autograph on my shirt and I'll be a dead corpse in the corner. People get excited. That Disney thing, I watched some of them. It is, it is crazy. It is a cult. People screaming and oh my God. And they cry, you know, at some trailer or that some announcement is made. They're going to put the Yeti back in the Expedition Everest. Oh my God. And they all go nuts. I I love that people love it that much and it's important to them. But I just don't understand sometimes. They have Harrison Ford come out and he's like For the first time ever. Yeah. So this is the, I mean, I hope they de-age it because they're waiting at the thing, yeah. 80-82-year-old guy like, don't go that way.

3:12 I'm now I saw a thing too. I'm drawing a blank. Mink Wicks and those nudge of where I saw this at. Work with Nagnoch. But I saw somebody too. Very excited and shaken and hopping up and down and jumping over this news. And I didn't get it either, Dave. I'm glad that people. Care that much and get excited because that means that they're going to keep doing stuff and it'll keep adding to it. But Um I would be more excited if if it was a Like a new project that you could you could watch over and over, like a movie or a Or animated thing or something. Animated thing. I understood why people got excited about the video game because that's something you can really interact with and spend some time with. This is cool. I never saw the one. The one in uh Disneyland. is closing, right? Is that what did I read? I think so. That they're or they're revamping it or they're revamping it. But the stun show? No, that's down in in. In Florida, right? That's always going on.

4:13 The stunt show is still the best thing ever. Yeah. Even when the ball jumps off the track and comes toward the crowd. And a guy goes over and stops it with one hand. Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Because it's made out of styrofoam or whatever. I do love Disney and I love all that stuff. But how long is it going to take to build this thing? It'll take several years. Yeah. I don't know what this episode is about, what I'm going to say, but no. However,. Did you guys I know Luke did. Did you see that new little TikTok thing with Harrison and Cookie Monster? Yes. No. And scream. Nobody? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I wasn't sure if Dave was gonna like that and all I wasn't sure he was gonna be like, oh my god, it's corny but I thought it was fun. Yeah, who wouldn't like that? Okay, he's in his like the quick mindset in the end Jones kind of outfit. They had uh Elmo was Han Solo. I didn't see that one. I I just saw the one where they're eating cookies together.

5:15 Uh yeah, there's there's like a whole thing where I didn't see the hot one. They're all together. Here you go. Let me see. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Yeah, get off me. Yeah, I can see that. When did I play a chicken? No one told me! I thought we were all just playing dress-up! This is awkward! So embarrassing. Oh, sorry about that. Should I play a chicken? Oh uh mister Ford, we're um really big fans. Get off my plane! Yeah, get off me. The idea. I don't see that one. That's a muppet. And there's a plain muppet. Yeah, yeah, he goes, Yeah, get off me. Yeah, fantastic. It's really great and I'm ex I'm excited to see this maybe one day, but That Disney thing I think just gets a little out of control.

6:18 But if that's your lifestyle and that's important to you, I shouldn't judge it. Right. Enjoy. And I won't. And I think I will. But Disney to get money. Oh, yeah. Disney will always have money. Well it's great advertising. I mean these things are all over YouTube constantly. Oh, you know, Chris Evans came out and then so-and-so came out and then they brought out the new X-Men and it was frickin' Nikki from Obsession. Yeah, mm-hmm. She is a fucking star now. Another movie Portland. Another franchise she's joining. X-Men. Yeah, and there's something else. There's another big franchise. Star Wars maybe or something else huge. I don't know. But this is Indiana Jones the character. So it's like Indiana Jones. But well, there are come out with new comics. For Indiana Jones. Yeah, they are. Indiana Jones, yeah. There's a new line of comics by Marvel. I love it. I love that there's still. stuff coming out and people care because really this could have gone away. A long time ago, and we'd just be like talking about this, and young people would be like, I have no idea what you're even talking about. Right, right.

7:23 So we're doing our small part. And trust me, it's as small as small can be. This is Moinette Jones content for everyone out there. Um for everyone? Yeah, for all two of you. And by everyone, you mean that one person. Yeah, everyone. For I'm sorry, I misspoke. For your only one. This is what this episode is about. I saw. A little blurb. And it caught my eye. And you probably already know about this because you know a lot of things about this. Okay. But I'm going to save that for last. That I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting. And I know Chris will really like this. So I'm just doing this for you. Which is really what this show was from the beginning. This show was a birthday present to you. A present to me, yes. I remember that. I remember the little. Was it this with Dave's idea? Yeah. I remember like Matt send me or Dave and him talk and send me like the whatever that's called, the icon, whatever. What's it called? Like the logo. The logo of the thing. And then boink, and there it was. I'm like, no.

8:24 And they've had the idea to do where the Star Wars characters do Indian General stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And we did the characters. So if you're hearing this and you haven't heard any of those, we're running out of gas. We're running on fumes. This is like Mad Max in character. We're searching for gas wherever we can find it. Yes. We are sucking it out. Of a cont of a truck and spinning it into a container. We're siphoning gas, but for a long time we did. Have a nice little stride where we talked about. The secondary characters of the Indiana Jones saga and did a deep dive as much as we could with information that we could find about that or personal story. So hopefully, maybe this will send you back to NEOZAZ.com where all of those episodes are. Housed for free. But today We're going to be talking about times. celebrities visited The Indiana Jones movie sets. Which happened a few times. This is cool. I've heard some of these stories, I think. Yes. Okay.

9:26 And that's what triggered this whole thing. First one I want to talk about is not one that I'm All that fine. I mean, it's not a big deal. But in 1989, the Queen Noor of Jordan visited the Indiana Jones set. You know, great, whatever, big deal. Don't necessarily care about some of that kind of stuff. But I mean, the celebrities that we care about, mostly because they're related to other George Lucas. Properties, starting with Warwick Davis. No, no, no, I never knew this. I never knew he was on the set. So I have a picture on my screen. You can still see my screen, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it. So, Warwick Davis in 1989 visited the set of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. This is after Willow. So Warwick Davis' relationship with George Lucas was still very strong at that point. He had done Return of the Jedi, done Willow, and here he is here as a grown-up now on the set. And we're looking at the picture. I can post this maybe somewhere. Wow. This is a great shot. I never saw this.

10:29 It's a really great chat and we'll try to describe it and then I'll try and see if I can put it on our, on our NEOZAZ Facebook page. It looks to me, correct me if I'm wrong. This is the room of Grails. That's what I was thinking too. Okay. This looks like from the end of the movie, all of the Grails sitting around and And that's the cup of a carpenter that after he gets past the trials. Someone's got to choose wisely, yes. Yeah. And it's Spielberg in a terrible sweater. George Lucas, who looks like he's dressed up like Indiana Jones. A little bit with that with that leather jacket on, yeah. And Warwick Davis wearing a denim, he's wearing like the Canadian tuxedo. He's got the jeans and the denim jacket on. Can I say he looks like The outfit that Marty McFly wears? It kind of does look like that. But all staring at a smiling Harrison Ford.

11:30 looking dirty but handsome and ready to uh save the fucking day. So Warwick Davis is a good one. Also another good one, and not from that movie, but both Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher visited the set of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I never knew that. That's cool. I never knew this. And the story was told by Ke Huy Quan. Because he was a kid. He didn't even know who they were. And he he told this story to Screen Rant. And I'll read you his quote. He just met these nice people. I mean, it's like it's probably like he's a little kid, and there's all these white people walking around. You know, they were like, who the fuck are these people? Right, right. So he ended up spending time with these two people and realized after the fact who they were. So here's his quote. There was one day we shot the majority of the movie in London at Elstree Studios, and one day two grown-ups came to visit us, and I didn't even know who they were at the time.

12:34 It was Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill, and we just spent an entire afternoon together. It was not until after the movie, when they showed me, when George Lucas screened Star Wars to me, that I realized, oh my God, that one afternoon I was having so much fun with Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia. Oh, man. It's Harry Boy's dream. Right. So he gets to hang out with these people. He had no idea who they were. Just two of George Lucas's friends that happened to be on the set that day. But yeah, I mean, because he ends up having a relationship with George Lucas. As well. That was a big time in his life from Goonies and Spielberg and this. So I also thought that was really neat too. I had seen that before. That is cool. I never knew that. That he had visited this and he had no idea who they were. And that sounds right. Like, he hasn't seen him. He doesn't know anything. Do you think he knew who Hans Solo was? I don't think so. I mean, he said George Lucas screened. Star Wars to him. I don't think he had seen it.

13:36 Wow. He's probably too young. I guess. Yeah, he was a little kid. So he's like, this is an experience for him where he gets to see this and he's like, oh, that's who those people were. That's a story. That's a story. What an insane way to be introduced to Star Wars. Yeah, right. And I love hearing these stories of people visiting and there's some from other movies. One of my favorite ones, I think we covered on Star Wars In Character. where it was whenever Paul Simon and Carrie Fisher where together. Were they married or were they just dating? I think they were for a little. I don't know they were married, you're right. They were together. They had dated for a while, yeah. And we were reading something, and it was like, oh, and by the way, Paul Simon was on the set in the Hoth base that day. It was like, what? Like, right off screen from him telling calling C-3PO Goldenrod, Paul Simon standing there watching this. He was like, I see you in hell, Paul Simon. So I love those ideas, but this is the reason why I did this. Okay. And you may know this already.

14:40 All right, this is where I knew it was going. Michael could have heard about this. Yeah. Michael Jackson was on the set of Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade around the same time. So you knew this already? Yeah, I did know this one. I knew Michael was on the set. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I found this fascinating that Michael Jackson was there. It was shot, the movie was shot in 1988. And he was on his world tour for bad. Oh, right doing his year. So that's why he was there. But he went to Elstree Studios as well. And watch them film scenes, and there's several pictures of him. And you'll be able to tell based on their costumes and their way they're dressed here. This is definitely the end of the movie. Uh when The the floor is cracking, the seal has been broken with the grail. The knight comes out and says, hey, thanks for fucking up all my shit. Right. Can I say this photo of the what's her actress?

15:47 No offense, Allison. You don't look very excited sitting next to Michael Jackson right there. I thought the same thing. He's looks like he's having a blast. He's like, oh, little kid excited to be on a set here. Yeah. She's barely smiling. Yeah. So the first picture is Spielberg, Michael Jackson, Alison Doody, and Harrison Ford. But you can tell based on her costume, some of the stuff in the background that this is. End scenes. I don't know when they shot this in continuity, but this is her, this is her death scene. Right. Maybe that's why she looks upset. If I can just reach it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when Henry Sr. Calls Henry Jr. Indiana and he and saves his life. Yeah. So that's when Michael Jackson was there. He got to see all this shit. There's some really great pictures. Um, of Michael walking around the set, watching watching them film. I didn't see these pictures, but I knew he was there. They're great. Look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're really great. It's funny because I didn't.

16:49 This is going to happen for the rest of our lives. Anytime somebody sees something, they're going to go, It's AI. Yeah, the the nowadays with what's it called chat GBT NBC, whatever it's called, ch chat GPT yeah, everyone can't trust anything. So this is a bunch of people, I love Reddit a lot because it's usually very funny. And sometimes I get important information from Reddit. But then there's threads like this, where it's just a bunch of people arguing as to whether or not. This is real or not AI or not. And then it devolves into Michael Jackson jokes, which you probably don't want to hear. I'm okay. I'm all right. I believe what I believe, and they believe what they believe. All right. I'm not. I mean, jokes like this one: Was Michael Disappointed to find out that Short Round wasn't in this movie? That's funny. I get what they're saying. And it gets worse. Things that I won't necessarily repeat.

17:54 But here, read this one. Can you see what I'm circling? Yeah. Read that one. I can't. It's too low. I need glasses. I don't want to repeat some of these things, but it, you know. You know probably more. You're a huge Captain EO fan, right? Yeah. That's before this. Am I right? Yeah, this was a couple years after California. Okay. So that's probably why he his you know, with with Lucas and whatnot. Okay, all right. There was a connection there and and a relationship. So he's He's there in London. doing a show. They're right there. He goes to visit the set. He's a movie fan. Michael Jackson loved movies. Yeah, he wanted to be in as a drawdown. He wanted to be in Star Wars. Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about because then there was always this rumor. that Michael Jackson was offered the role of Jar Jar Binks. So this is more actually something for Star Wars and character, but they're all related, so I figure what you're talking about. But what, did he turn it down? He was never offered the role of Jar Jar Binks. He is the one that went to George Lucas and said, I want to be Jar Jar Binks. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. So there are a lot of people that think that Michael Jackson was offered the role, but that wasn't the case. And I was reading about this all morning, actually.

19:09 He, Michael Jackson wanted to do it. I guess he knew enough about it that he knew what the character was like because he wanted to do it in costume. He wanted to do it like a thriller. Where he was in heavy prosthetics and practical makeup all day on the set. And George Lucas. Had to basically tell him no. We don't do that anymore, I guess. Right. But George Lucas wanted this character to be 100% CGI. He was committed to doing this style of filmmaking and furthering this kind of effects for movies going forward. And he also said, and this all comes from an interview with Ahmed Best. That George Lucas told him he actually didn't want Michael Jackson to be in it because that would have overshadowed. the rest of the movie. The movie? Do you know when they should have done that? You know, it's too late. No, they should have just had this him in it as a costume and really not say anything. Well, then it would have came out. But they just released it not saying who he was until you saw the movie. Yeah.

20:13 Well, I found that all interesting that Michael Jackson was trying to like push his way in and throw his weight around with that. And George Lucas told him no, but he let Samuel L. Jackson do it. Yeah, with his purple lightsaber, bad motherfucker. Yes. Yeah, like Samuel Jackson was the one that went to them and he was like, I want to be in Star Wars. Right. And they were like, okay, I guess we're scared of you. He maybe wasn't scared of Michael. Maybe Eggboy, who is, right? Who is. The funniest thing about all this was the way that Michael Jackson found out, according to Ahmed Best. And he has no reason to lie. was vilified for a long time, but now And they were like, yeah, it's fine now. Whatever. People have moved on and they grew up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And at the time, people were like, fuck that guy. Ahmed Best. And now he goes to these conventions and everybody's like, all right, well, we accept you. You're good now. He did an interview that said he didn't even know. This is how he found out that he was going to be Jar Jar Binks.

21:15 He met Michael Jackson. And George Lucas, they were at something. I don't remember exactly what it was. Oh, it was one of his shows. It was a show at Wembley Stadium, they said. Okay. Um so he's back in England. And uh they all met each other. And George Lucas introduced Ahmed Best to Michael Jackson as Jar Jar. By accident? No. Tell Michael Jackson. You're not Jar Jar. This guy is. And Ahmed Best at that point didn't even know himself. And he was like, wait, what? I'm Jar Jar? Can you believe that? Was Michael hurt? He must have been crushed. I mean, maybe. Oh Now I feel bad for the man. You feel bad for him. Yeah. Well, you wonder with the big dopey head, you know, like how they had Ahmed Best put that thing on top of his head so everybody could look at the eyes. But Michael Jackson wanted to walk around like that. It would have done like a move. I wonder if he would have done like some kind of weird.

22:19 Michael Standerson. I don't know. Would you put something in there? Probably. I'll try to anyway, yeah. Well, that was that I that one story led to another story. I just didn't know if you knew that Michael Jackson. Had this Indiana Jones connection. I think being the biggest Michael Jackson fan ever. I really, I wish maybe when Michael II comes out, hopefully they'll write that part in there. But I really didn't know. That he was on the set of any even those those pictures that you looked that you posted that I looked at. I know it's real. But he doesn't he looks Not e you know, Michael's always thin. But he does his face looks doesn't look like Maybe I'm not used to his real face. His real face. You know what I mean? Like that right there, that photo, does it look it. It's real. But I can see why people think it's not real. Yeah. That other one you posted with with all four of them, that's Fucking them. You know what I mean? Everybody is always going to suspect everything from now on, saying it's not real.

23:23 Aye. Fake. I wonder if Harrison ever Spoke about meeting Michael Jackson. I never even heard him saying he met Michael Jackson. I didn't find anything about that. I mean, he's those were the those were the ones that I found that were most interesting and had something to do with like the things that we like. Namely Star Wars and and Michael Jackson in your case. Do you know if um Did Lucas reach out to Michael for Captain EO? It was Captain EO's idea. Was that Michael's idea to be in Captain EO? I don't know. Okay. I'm happy to do a whole episode on Captain EO at some point for any of our podcasts and learn everything about it because I freaking love it. I've been EO in character. Yeah, there's well, how many people are in that thing? Six people? They just started releasing new merchandise in Disney Park speaking of that of Captain EO. Is he is is it him on the shirts? No. It's um I guess they won't have that. You know the little the one creature that kind of sits on his shoulder? It looks like a it looks like a monkey with wings or something. But didn't you you can buy that now.

24:30 Didn't you do a Grady's source and character beyond a backcutting to you? Yeah, I think so. We did something about it at some point, but I yeah. But didn't you mention that just no, they took it down after whatever happened to him because of what happened to him? Yeah, yeah, they did. So that's why I said it was Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, but then they brought it back. And they brought it back one time when I was in Disney World and I got to see it again, but then it's gone again. Yeah. You can watch it at home anytime you want. It's on YouTube. This is cool though. I never knew Michael was involved. And maybe that's why I love Michael even more. Yes, yes, well that it. Stop it. Stop it. Well, there you go. I also have a game for you. Alright, does it involve Michael? No, this is switching gears completely. Okay. And it's a little trivia game. I don't know if you're going to like it.

25:33 But people can play along with or against you two, just like we do on the box office bozo or anything. Is Luke going to be any help here? He might. I don't know what you two know. I don't know anything. Go doubt me. Okay, I'm sorry. He's he's already angry. He's already angry. The game ain't even started yet. I have thirteen here, so I'm gonna say you gotta get Yeah. Let's say seven. You gotta get more than 50% of these. Okay. I have a list. Every country that is featured in an Indiana Jones movie. No. I mean, I'm not good with the globe and where shit is. Hang on. Okay. I didn't include Young Indiana Jones Chronicles or any of the expanded universe books comics because there are tons and tons more countries. I'm saying this had to have been in one of the actual. movies, one of the five Indiana Jones movies. But see, here's the thing.

26:35 I'm not g I'm not gonna have you guess the countries. I'm going to give you. country. You have to tell me what continent it's on. It's even worse. I don't know. Is Kennedy yet? I hope she is. Can I know? Like, she's good to countries. Like, like Alabama, is that a state or countries? Sometimes I just don't know. Like, I get my countries and continents and everything confused, but I will do the best that I can to my ability. I think you can get half of these. Okay. All right. Starting, well throw your softball. The United States of America is featured in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Indiana Jones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. It's in four of the movies. It's not. Princeton was filmed for Crystal Skull. Yeah. So can I say that? What continent? Let's do this. I'll give you the continents. The United States.

27:38 North America is North North America, South America. Europe Asia Africa Antarctica or Australia. You got seven things to choose from. Okay. I might need that rundown again. But I know North America is guaranteed, yes. Yeah. Yes. So we're going with North America for the United States. Yeah. That is correct. Okay. You're one for one. Question. United States of America. My doubtness is in North America. All right. Moving on. This is going to show you. You could drive down there one time. Where? Up there pretty? Yeah, that's what Tim wants to do. I know it's a college. I'm good. We're moving to Peru. And Peru was featured in Raiders of the Lost Ark and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Do you have any idea what Peru is, buddy? What continent is Peru? I want to say it's not like an Egyptian. I want to say it's South America. This is fucking horrible. This is going to show you what I know about the globe, which isn't much.

28:42 I wanna say it's South America. I think Peru. And Dave's probably laughing. Dave probably muted his mic and he's laughing. I've never seen it. Or is that by Chili? Peru, I don't know. It's either. I want to say it's either South America. Was Peru by like by like Africa? God damn it. No, not Africa. We need a globe. I wish I had a globe that said Lake America and Gulf of America right now. You can just write it on there yourself. That is true. Dave, can you read over those seven things again? Continents? Sure. North America. No. South America Okay. Europe No. Asia No. Africa. Antarctica. No. Australia. I want to say South America. I think Peru is by South America. Peru sounds like Sassaner. I don't know. All right. Sounds like you have an answer. Or it might be Africa. No, I don't know. Dave, South America, Peru.

29:47 Final answer. Peru is in South America. Was that put down by Mexico? Yep, south. Keep going south. They keep going south. Yeah. So you're two for two. Oh my God. This is showing you what I know. All right. So I'm guessing you're not going to, those are done. Rule this out or done. No, you can reuse these. Damn it! Go ahead and narrow down. Okay. No, you can reuse them. Your next one. You you maybe one of the best scenes in any movie ever. Where Indiana Jones is reunited with Marion Ravenwood. in Nepal. Okay. Where is Nepal? What is it? Think of the plane and the dot and the lines. That's why it goes. That's why it tells you where they're going to the continent. Indiana Jones is just one long geography lesson. Yeah, it's the fucking da da da. It's not a fucking mind. I want to say it take.

30:52 Give us a continent again. I think it's Africa. Is Africa a continent, Dave? Yeah, you you know what you could do? You could write these down. North America South America. North America. N A S A go ahead. Europe. It's not Europe. Africa Asia Boo, I think it's Antarctica It's not that. And Australia. It's not that. So Luke, I'm torn between It's it's Nepal. It's not Europe. That Europe Now Asia, help me out here, Dave. Ready for this? Mm-hmm. Where is like like Stupid. Where's China and all that? Is that Asia? China is the eastern part of Asia. Asia is by far the largest continent, taking up. Mostly Russia. Yeah, there are several other countries as well, but Asia's the largest continent.

31:57 I think it is Asia now. Dave, Asia either Asia or Europe. I got tossing a coin. I want to say Asia. Final answer to Dave. Alright, Nepal is in. Asia. I am surprised in the fuck myself. Three for three. Okay. All right. Doing great. Your next one, also very famously, a lot of time spent here in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Egypt. Yeah, that's Cairo. That's all that shit. That's that's that's the um hot stack Africa. I think it's Africa, yeah. D Dave, I forget final answer. Africa. Egypt is in. Africa. Yes. And a tiny bit of it is even in Asia. So I would have given you credit had you said Asia, but it's mainly in Africa. I knew all the deserts, Shando, Cairo, is Africa. You're four for four. I'm shocked with James. I'm shocked. This is your new thing. This is your new thing. Good thing I wrote these down.

33:03 Alright, your next one. Yeah. Let's get to a movie we haven't gotten to yet. Okay. Indiana Jones. Temple of Doom. Your country is India. Where most of the action takes place. Yeah, in the is that in Africa too? It's Asia. It's not in our gauge. I want to say it's Africa too. Or does Africa have left force? I don't say Africa, Dave. I think it does. I've never been there. Dave, Africa, final answer? Now the question is? Okay. Country of India. Is n Asia. That's your first wrong one. But you still got four, you only need three in total. A was right. No credit for A. He's a moving on to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Indiana Jones and the goddamn dial of goddamn destiny. Italy Now see that is the boot.

34:05 I want to say. It is the Asia area, but I didn't I didn't know yet it's not no, it's Europe. Europe? I think it's Europe. Yeah. Fucking A. Eric Moore, where are you? I think it is. You're showing everybody how stupid we are. Oh, yeah. I, this is in school, this was not my favorite class. You're four for five. I think it's Europe. Europe There. It's out there. there, there's a boot. It's either Europe or Asia. I actually get half points. It's Europe or Asia. I want to say Europe. Europe. Yeah. Cause we just did Asia. Yeah. So they wouldn't do back-to-back Asias. Bow s fails C Europe. Faved Europe. I didn't give them letters, but whatever. Italy. Yes. And Venice it within it. Is in Europe. They got five. You got five. Okay.

35:09 Okay, moving to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And I'm giving you Brazil I want to say that's Mexico. No, no, no. I think that's down by Mexico. Mexico. Which is South America. That's what I'm guessing. That's what I'm guessing here. I wish, I wish Potsy was here to sing a song to me. I want to say it's South America. South America. Yeah, day final answer. It's South America. That was a very quick answer. Was it was it too quick? Was it yeah, w did did I think? Should I should have thought should I have thought first and then answered? Well Brazil Is in South America. You got six. Yeah. That I know. Okay. All right. All right. Only one left. That's one of the things in any of the movies, but I don't I don't know. All right, I'm right, Dave. Okay, we're gonna go to, well, I'll let you pick the movie. Do you want Dial of Destiny or do you want Last Crusade for this next one?

36:15 Last Crusade. Last Crusade's a good one. Yeah, okay. I will give you then turkey. I'll even give you turkey slash Syria. And get that whole area. So Syria is a is that Egypt area. Yeah. I think. Which I wanna say where's Edibet again? Was it Africa? Africa Day final answer. This is reaching. I don't know. This is a guess. African final answer. This is horrible. Don't if anyone's out there sees me on the street, don't bring up a map to me, okay? All right, so Turkey slash Syria was used as the fake area in Last Crusade where the Canyon of the Crescent Moon was where the resting place of the Grail is. And they believe they called it Hatay, like H-A-T-A-Y. It's really turkey. Turkey is a pretty big country and it's over two continents. So if you got one of them, you're going to get hear me out. If I didn't even get one of these, if I had two with the right answer and I still didn't say it.

37:21 I apologize. You said Africa. Yes. Turkey spreads over Asia. Net Europe. Wait, you're still in the game. Oh, my God. Running out of chances. How many more do we need? Two or one? You only need one more. And we're not going to do it. Okay. Uh let me see. What do you mean you're not gonna do it? Dave, y I don't know continents. I don't even know where I'm at now. to. You got it as your first one. Okay. Alright, I'm gonna go, we'll go Dial of Destiny then. And I add a few more. And I'm gonna give you Morocco. Yeah. That sounds like it's by Asia, Cairo. It sounds like it's like African kind of thing. This is horrible, Dave. It's because no, cause it was just Asia Europe. Antarctica I don't think is even a choice for any of these movies. Is there anything cold going on in the Indian Joe's movies? No.

38:25 But isn't is Antarctica always cold? Just Karen Allen's loins. That's the only thing cold. Um Say it again, Morocco. That's in Australia. It's not fucking Morocco. Yes. I want to say. Ooh, I wanna say South America. Or Africa, it's South Marango or Africa. Luke, you pick it. Me? Cause I don't know either. Would you say South America or Africa Morocco? I I wanna s maybe South Africa E. Africa E, Dave. Final answer. Country of Morocco is contained within the continent of Africa and that's it. We take our You that was rough. That was rough. What are you talking about? Is there anything in Antarctica? I didn't think so. Definitely. In Australia? No. Okay. All right. The rest were China.

39:28 which I didn't get to but you is also on Temple of Doom. uh which he said was in Asia already. So you would you would have won anyway. How many got that? Uh there's a couple in Europe, uh hi Germany, obviously. I know that one's up at Europe, yes. Yeah, yeah, the the Grail Diary. And then uh they're in the United Kingdom. In Dial of Destiny. Europe. So that's also Europe. So yeah, you had this in the bag either way. Nice job. It's usually like it's usually between We in Asia sometimes language, okay. Even I know where they are. If if you show me a map, I know where they are. If you if you ask me ask me of this, you know, right now you know. Not really, I'm sorry. Like it's Africa. And south or Well, the north of most South America Dave. Break my map. North America, South America is us. And then the next thing is Africa, like Pessiocean. Yeah. In the middle, ish. Right. I think so. This hard right here. It's just so obvious. What do you want to see here?

40:29 That third one in, world map. Are you teaching your son geography? Yeah. Say right ooh. What's what War of the Worlds or Way of the World did it just said? Right there. See, that's North America, that's South America. That's Africa. That's Africa. And that's Europe and everything. Yeah. It's so simple when you have a map. Yeah. Well, you did well. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. My last thing was going to be a spreadsheet for you, but it did not come out. I was trying to use AI to write. A short diddy. Like a song about Indiana Jones performed in a Michael Jackson style, like maybe by a Michael Jackson type. It didn't work? It came out, but it's not great. I wanted to hear something a little more Michael Jackson-y. This is what the internet thinks is Michael Jackson and Indiana Jones song. Okay. Whoops. Hello. Yeah, yeah, yeah, me, I got it. It went away. It played and then and then it stopped.

41:33 You know what? It wasn't good anyway. Yeah. [Clip: AI-generated song] It sounded more like a like an older Jackson five than That's Michael, that's weird that I did that. That's AI's uh Michael Jackson Indiana Jones song. So well Thank you. I wish she was on a soundtrack. Yeah, well, that's all I got. Um, some pretty cool visitors and a fun little game. I hope you had fun playing along with them. And you guys are great. So thank you. Well, Luke, thank you for being my.

42:36 sour on this and that was rough it was rough It uh continents w were not my thing. No, I'm painting. No, no. World geography was never mine. My jam. But you still did it. I did. Thank you, Dave. This was a great episode. Thank you once again for always, you know. Showing me something new.

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0:04 [Music] Hello, welcome to the best of fives. Fae. Faise. You say it, buddy. Faeves. Is this going to be our Pass the Popcorn? Faise. Faeves. Faeves. No, that's really stupid. Yeah, yeah. Even for us. Yeah, and we've done some stupid shit. but this is a back to school TV edition. is what we're doing. Today, tonight, now. Right. It's the end of August. You're either already back in school, your kids are back in school, or they'll start soon, or after Labor Day, you know, like they start at different places in different parts of the country. Yeah, it's time to get back to school. Why not? California, they already went back like weeks ago. Yeah. And back in our day, which I always think.

1:10 Labor Day is when school starts the day after. That's it. I know. People go back this week. And they're, you know, you wait what, three, four days, and then you're, and they're off again or something. It's like, no, just wait till after Jerry Lewis. God rest his soul. I forgot about Jerry Lewis. The telethon, that is when you knew, that's when every kid's parents usually was watching that shit all day fucking Monday. Oh my God. You just totally brought me back. Jerry Lewis telethon. I forgot about that. Let's see the numbers. Hey, lady. I don't know what he's trying to say. When you walk through a stone. And he sang that same song. Yeah. I forgot all about that. I remember when I was a freshman in college, I was just moved into my dorm and I was like homesick already. I was like, oh, this is out of my roommate, it was weird, you know. And we had a TV that got like two channels, and that was it. We watched the frickin' Jerry Lewis. That was my first college experience, Jerry Lewis. That's that's sad. I mean, and we didn't, like, it was usually that the parents of the kids that loved Jerry Lewis, we didn't know who to.

2:18 Bucky was. You know what I mean? Yeah. And everything and what he did. Yeah. And then that's when that Monday, I remember plenty of Labor Day Mondays, whatever. Whenever yet. Score was Tuesday. So that Monday, my parents say, you were ready to go to bed at eight in the morning. You went to bed early. I was already like. Like fed, showered, cleaned up, ready to go to bed and go to school like early as possible. Like Sunday was like, you know, this is it. This is like, you're, you're, you're ready for school no matter what. Right. You know what I mean? Finish your lunch and go to bed. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So. But if you go to school after Labor Day, you'll get out later. I guess, but it's, I don't know what's when we got out of school back of mind. It was always like the early June ish, but I know people are now, it's like, Mm. 20-ish sometimes or in the teens, maybe. Well, when are these school districts going to learn to consult you as to when they should start? I've been waiting. I go to these PTOs every week, right? And I sit there and there's no one in there.

3:24 They've been off all summer. Where are they? They've been waiting for someone to ask, you know, what do I think? You know? Yeah. Th I think this is gonna be a long episode. And Uh at the risk of making it even longer, I'd I want to play a game. Like right now, before we even get to the school stuff. I just thought of that. So. So we're doing a squid episode and you're giving us a test. Already that's right, but the quiz hot shot. So, a lot of people that listen to this, and by a lot, I mean the two. That listen, they come to expect that when someone dies, we will do an episode on that person. So lots of people have died recently, but not people that garner an entire episode. So for the past two weeks, they're dropping like flies. They are. I think that this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to say a name. and count three, two, one, and we have to all at the same time say the number one thing. for that person.

4:27 Wait we got a match? No, it's what no, just whatever's on your mind. But I know where he's go he's going, but some of these I I might not say a damn thing. But okay, all right. All right, so I g I mean I assume People would expect we should start with Dolly, right? So she's dead. Yes. Everybody and everybody knows it. Right. So on the three two one Your favorite dolly thing. Favorite dolly thing. Anything off the top of your mind. Are you ready? Yes. All right. Three, two, one. Ryan Salt. Sally Pitts. I'm sorry. Did Luke say Dollywood? Yeah, yeah. I love that. Hey, I was thinking that the whole testing was a joke. I would say, I always loved you that she wrote that song. That's Mohim's answer. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Coincidentally, I watched last night because I had never seen it before. The best little horror house in Texas. That's the back out of theaters. I saw him too. Yeah, they put that in Steel Magnolia's back out. I didn't know.

5:33 That song was already a hit for her. Because it was a hit, and they're like, we're gonna cash in on this. She sings two lines of that song in Best Little Whore House in Texas. So technically the bodyguard is not the first movie that that's in. It's it's her movie. With Bur with Bury's. I prefer Whitney's version guaranteed, yes. And then my wife and daughter are fucking devastated by Dolly's passing. But Dolly admitted that Whitney sings it better. She admitted it, saying that Whitney did a better version of it. And I said, damn right. I said, who's alive now? And I go, oh shit, neither one of them either. Well, she helped a lot of people. Yeah. That's why she loved me talented. Nobody I think had had Anything wrong with her. Like, nobody had fights with her. You know, she was also, everyone loved her. You know, just Ricky Schroder. He's the only one. Yeah, that silver spoon fucker. Yeah. Excuse me, Rick Schroder. Oh, yeah. He's he's an adult now, Dave. All right. Rick, Rick. Don't call me Ricky Schroder. And on NYPD Blue, he took off the Y off his name.

6:38 Right. All right. So she's done. Yes. She's gone. She's done. That's the five. Denbury. Two giant mounds of dirt sticking up out of the ground. Mm-hmm. Tim Curry Yes. Are you ready? Yeah. You're not ready. I don't think I am. Okay. Three, two, one, three. Many watch our. No, who what's the movie? What did he say anything? I don't know if the movie it's in. What's the one that he's the he's the the girl scout the girl scout? Uh, Loaded Weapon 1. Yes! It's not a weapon one. Yeah,'cause I don't I'm not a fan and you could turn this off. Rocky Horror, I don't get it. I respect it. It's not for me, but I know people love it. Yeah. And that's why I didn't say that. Pennywise, I never really saw. the original. So I can't really say that. I was gonna say Home Alone 2, I think he's in that, but I want him as the Girl Scout. I never saw his penny wise. I'm a little weapon.

7:39 Yeah, yeah. He's he's checked off. We're just checking people off. Yeah, we're just we're just killing them off. This is what people expect of us. We're giving it to them in a very short dose. All right. Did you see in certain Towns, they're pointing like balloons. I love that on Sewers Dave in memory of him. Red balloons. Intr interesting. Uh I didn't know that. Hey, moving on. Hayden Panettiere. Yes. But she was murdered, by the way. I'm just gonna. Put it out there. Wait, he's serious? Is that the yeah. Is that little button now? Herst to rumor her. On an Orthodox boyfriend, and they had problems and everything. And he was there, and they found medicine, and he was, you know. Yeah, there's two stories going on. Yeah. He's being investigated. Yeah, it's it doesn't. I don't know. You I don't know about any of this. You could be spreading fake news. I don't know. Who would do that? This isn't CNN. And everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. Huge fake news. You ready? Okay.

8:45 Three, two, one, screw it. Yeah, that's what Luke said too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you said, here's where I first fell in love with her. And we even met her. at a wizard world. back when they were still called Wizard Worlds, and she was fantastic. So I was with you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we met her. Yeah. We had nothing to do with her death. I was not there. You watched Nashville. We watched Nashville. I do. I love Scream Nashville. I love those cheerleading things. She was in or the ice skating ones she was at. I do love her. I think she was always, Heroes was good. Heroes was fantastic. Heroes was before Marvel even happened. It was good, and then the writer strike happened and it. And the reboot was kind of bad. Are you ready for our next one? This one's Deeper Dive. Okay. Shelley Fabares. All right, hold on. Who's that? Who's that, Dave? Oh wait, I know who it is now. Never mind. Luke has Has no idea. Luke has none. So this is just you and me. Ready? Okay, okay.

9:47 Three, two, one. Girl, happy. Girl Happy. She's in two Elvis movies. Oh, okay. She's in Girl Happy and Clambake. But yeah, coach. Yeah, coach. also did. Now, I mean. There's a couple other ones. Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top, died. Yeah. And that's his name. That was his name in real life. Beard's name. For the longest time, this poor man was a constant bar trivia question. Being the only member of ZZ Top without a beard. I thought so. And then his name was Beard. Yeah, that was a long time. I would say Back to the Future 3 for him. I'll stay from Dustl Doc. Um and then like this Cullen guy from Optimus Prime. So like we I feel like we covered We covered it. We we Don't be like, where's Dolly Parton at when right. We everybody loves her, but I got nobody listening. Nobody already listens to her music. No, I don't really know five things that I would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:51 I know like one or two, best of ones, best of twos. Yeah, so we're not we can't do a list of. All right. Well, well, well, Peter Cullen did the sounds for the first predator, which Luke told me about. I was like, no. So that would be my number one. Oh, okay. Well, mine would be he was Eeyore as well, I believe, so Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Best of five. We just did five episodes right there. We just did five dead people. So. How our responsibility has been lifted. We can do what we want. We can do what we want now, yes, until someone who we really care about. leaves this earth, then we'll do and but suffice. Right. And I'm dreading the day that I'll get a text about Bruce Willis because It's slowly coming, and I don't want to do it. Well, try not to think about it. What is the order here? You're the creative director. We all have our best five school TV, school anything, school scenes. You just want to do the whole show, you know, whatever you want to do.

11:54 You let's see order. You go first. Then you, then me. Okay, well since you pointed who is you? I know. I'm gonna say dad's you. Yeah, well you say you go first, meant Dave, and then you point at me, me and you, and then you so it's Dave, me, and then I know because first you, then you, then you, me, you, and then you after me, but you're gonna go before I am, so we're gonna go together. We just say ours together. Three, two, one. Same. Thanks for joining us. Alright, I will I'm happy to go first. Well right before you start, I'm so glad what you just said before you said The sh you know, who's what order we're going of what we're doing with schools, school scenes, or the whole show. Thank you. You can go on, then I'll continue with that conversation. Oh, okay,'cause you picked some out there stuff. I did. Let me just say this. Luke and I. We did a twist. We did a day rule. I love this. Okay. All the times we pick a list and you go off on it, off on your own little list kind of thing. Yeah. That's what we did this time. Okay. Okay.

13:04 I love it. But we were afraid. We're like, is this what? Is this good? But, you know, no one cares. There's no real rules to this. So, like, if like a traditionalist was like, the rules were strict, that would be like a public school kind of podcast. But this is a homeschool thing. You can do whatever the fuck you want and nobody's checking. So Consider this the homeschool. Edition of podcasting. Sorry if I offended anybody that homeschools their children, the two of you that listen. Are you ready? I'm ready. All right, I'm ready. All right, my number, I have a very long list on. So do I actually, which is weird. I've never had this many honorable mentions in best of five history. Yeah,'cause we watched a lot of school, like school stuff, especially when we were growing up. Like, that's what was our life. When it was on T V, it was like, oh, okay, this is this is me. I can see myself. Ask this dumb question. You know how kids, you know, I. I like school, I guess, to hang out. You know, a lot of people hate school, hated school. You think hate school loses a kid? You did. Why, when we're in school, I hate school, you rush home and watch a school show. That's true. Why is that? Like, why do we watch school TV shows and we hate going to school?

14:17 I guess'cause they exposed the things that maybe we were thinking. It's like people that work in an office and and they're bored to tears working in their cubicles and they go home and watch the office. The office, yeah. It makes them feel good. Like, yeah, this is how I feel about the idiots when I work with it. Is that is that the severance? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But but two. Hey, go in the hospital. I watch a hospital show. You watch the hospital show. That's fucking true. I hate, I sweat, I ass sweat when I go to a hospital. And I watched The Pitt. Yeah. Yeah. Condition. If he asks for us more than two hours, call a doctor. If you're allergic to asswet, do not take ass wet. Very contagious. All right, my number five, I went way back. Pretty far back anyway. And one of the first things I think on, I'm thinking happy days, right? Oh, yeah. So we yeah, we grew up watching Happy Days. Most of it took place at Jefferson High. But eventually they all get old and and Ron Howard starts to go bald and and and Donny Most is like you know looking like a 50 year old, but they're still in college and they all ended up going to college together.

15:29 And somehow for some reason, Fonzie is still along. Yeah. And I always think the college episodes of any T V show Correct. You know, I agree. But this thing was a I like an omnipresent thing in my childhood. And I think other people's as well. Do you remember the episode? Where they're in a human anatomy class, and Potsie cannot pass the test unless he puts the circulatory system to music. Yes, I do now bring this up. Yes, yes. This was a big deal, so much so that I feel like I had a lot of this song memorized and could have passed the college course. in human anatomy. And the human being. I remember this. The professor was like a dick, and he's like, Ponce's like the Ponce's like the Everybody on every show ends up being somebody ends up being the dumb guy. Right. Like even if they're not like that at the beginning, like on Friends, when when Friends started

16:32 They were all just like friends. They all had careers and they were doing whatever. At some point, they're like, okay, who's going to be the dumb guy? Matt LeBlanc, you're the dumb guy. Okay, Joey's the dumb guy from now on. You know what I mean? Right. It happened on family ties. Like Mallory was just a girl, she was her sister. And then at some point, oh, We gotta have a dumb person. Yeah, yeah. Potsie, I'm thinking, was the original dumb guy. Like I I was good between him and and Ralph Malph, but I think Ralph yeah, I think Um Potsie was the He was the handsome guy, but just a doofus, a dumb guy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got other shows that done it, like Leave It to Beaver and Gomer Pyle, like Andy Griffith and stuff. But when in the early days of Happy Days, when you watch them when they were kids, like in high school, they were all just like the same. They were just three buddies. And as it went on, Potsie became an airheaded dude. Stupid ninny. So they have the test and Potsie can pass the test. the teacher won't let them sing.

17:34 And then, you know, the class revolts. Potsie Weber knows this material better than anybody in this class. And he didn't learn it from you or your intimidating methods. He learned it from something he could relate to. Weber can relate to something. Not just a minute. Yeah, that's right. He relates to music and lyrics. Yeah. Charming. But impossible. Alright, hold! Hold! Like they say in Home Ec 101, the proof is in the pudding. Yeah, let us show you some pudding. Let me show you. Why don't you give him a chance? Go ahead. Alright, now it'd like we rehearsed it. Mouth, get the bones. Alright, Rich, you got your harmonica there. Hey, Jennifer, Beaker, right? Got your kazoo there? Yeah. Alright, this tune is called Pump Your Blood. One, two, one, two, three. [Clip: "Pump Your Blood"]

18:46 You remember this, right? I do, absolutely. And before we go on. Well, Stefan's in this class, but he's just fucking there. He's just there. He's always there. Weird. He's just always there. Within a student? No. Pumps your blood. Wait, what are you doing there? Like, if this happened today, if there's a grown ass adult in a leather jacket in a room with kids. He'll get arrested. Yeah, he's like 40 at this point, and you can see his girdle under his leather jacket. Ron Howard is literally balding as he speaks. There's hairs hitting the floor. And we make some good movies, though. That's true. We used to sing this whenever we got pump pump pa pump pa pump pump bump pump pump. We knew the words to this. That's hard. Yeah. Yeah. How terrible is this? But it this made a huge impression on me. And this one number five. I went out with a weird one to start. No, that's. I am so glad that you had this idea. I'm so glad that you're doing the list the way that you said it should be done.

19:50 Okay, because what's yours? Because hear me out. You asked me and Luke, you know, pick your best TV. School moments and scenes. I don't remember any. I don't remember any. Like, like, Specific scenes until you bring it up. I'm like, Pump up pump up the blood. Yes. I remember that now. Remember, I Luke and I just picked school TV shows. Is that okay? Whatever, it doesn't matter. All right, but it's not really what you wanted, like the exact scenes. But talking to you, that's how I feel are. our our friendship is. We have great conversations, and you remind me about what happened. I'm like, yeah. You know what I mean? So now I, you know, I can't. I don't remember much, but that's not very shocking to anybody. But I bet you remember part of the circulatory system because Anson Williams taught it to you. Hell yeah. Who we've I've seen. Him and Donny Most and I met the Fonz, we have the autograph, and I have, yeah, so I'm the classic.

20:51 Alright. Get off of here. My number one yeah, one, dumbass. Mind number five, TVD shows and Let's just say this without giving anything to away. Dave, I you associate more with schools because of your career, okay? Maybe. Yeah. So a lot of the you can relate to a lot of the stuff, situations or shows more than. We we can. However, I don't know if you ever watched this show. It's a brand it's a kind of a brand new show. It it ended. It was on HBO. I don't think Luke watched it with us. Vice Principals I've had many people recommend it to me, but I haven't seen it. It is Phenomenally funny. Walton Goggins, and who's that guy? He spat him down. Give that guy's name. Danny McBride? Yes. Dan McBride and the girl who's also in the what's the church? The church show? The church show that it was on, right? Righteous Gemstones. A lot of people from that show came from vice principals. They yeah, you would love this show. You would

21:54 Fucking adore this show. It's it's so funny. He's jealous because there's, you know, a new principal, a vice principal comes on board. It's just one of the greatest, like, it's, it's probably not, you know. Realistic, but it's nasty, it's cursing, it's sexy sometimes. It's just a great and HBO can do anything they fucking want. So vice principals for me was a classic, like fantastic. funny show just to Fug and watch. Excellent. And there's there's probably some good scenes. Do I remember any of them? Probably not. If I knew any, I'd pull them up, but I've never seen it. And maybe you're right. I should watch that. You will love it. I'm telling you, because you love him and you love his Eastbound & Down show, right? I do love him. Yeah. I'm staring at my uh Funko pop of him as we speak. You would love that, shot. I'm shocked. All right. Luke and then and then I told you earlier, I said, Luke has a list, you know, I said, Did this one of me on? He said, Sure, I said, I'm curious to see what his list is'cause he doesn't he watches the same school shows I watch. He doesn't know like the like the class.

22:59 I'd be willing to bet ten dollars. That is number five. is vice principals. Well, nuh uh, you are right. Are you fucking serious? Did you watch out with us? Did you no I watched the league. Did you watch it alone by yourself? Yeah. You did?'Cause I think I told you about it,'cause maybe you were too young when when it was on. And I said, this is the show. Could be watching the gemstones. I said, you got to watch his Vice Principals. Well, maybe I would bet $10. That's right. You heard it. That show is funny. It's it's hysterical. And it's hysterical. And the way he gets angry and mad. And what what goes on and sh in his in his life is he's so unhappy and miserable on this show. And Walton Goggins is just yeah. Fantastic, sir. Dave, Vice Principals, check it out. Sounds good for number four. I also went out of uh your regular traditional channels, the four big channels. Yeah. Something that has taken on a life of its own, probably also because of YouTube and viral stuff.

24:04 And my number four. Is I believe the sketch is entitled Mr. Garvey Substitute Teacher. No, wait, wait, no, that sounds familiar, but is that an SNL or S C T V one? Key and Peele. Oh, yeah. Did we see this one? Could we watch this show for a while? It's the guy that can't get the names right. Yes, yes, I did for this one. Okay. All right. And he just loses his shit. So, like, without playing the whole sketch, like, this is so fucking funny. Um, And Keegan-Michael Key is I know, I mean, everybody, people know him, and it's hard to say that he's underrated because he is famous and everybody knows who he is, but I still think he's underrated for what he does. This. And there were sequels to this on the show. They would have Mr. Garvey do other stuff as well. But the first one was the one that really got people going. All right, listen up, y'all.

25:04 I'm y'all's substitute teacher, Mr. Garvey. I taught school for 20 years in the inner city. So don't even think about messing with me. Y'all feel me? Okay, let's take a roll here. Jay Quelan. Was Jay Quillen at? No J. Quillen here? Yeah. Uh, do you mean Jacqueline? Okay, so that's how it's gonna be. Y'all wanna play. Okay then. Got my eye on you, Jake Weller. Balake. Where is Balake at? No black ain't here today. Yes, sir. My name's Blake. Are you out of your goddamn mind? Again What? Do you want to go to war, Balaki? No. Cause we could go to war. No. I'm for real.

26:09 Real. So you better check yourself. D nice. Is there a D nice? If one of y'all says some silly ass name. This whole class is gonna feel my wrath. Now D nice. You mean Denise? Son of a bitch. You say your name right, right now. Denise? Say it right. Denise. Correctly. Denise. Right. Denise. Right. Denise. That's better. Thank you. Now. A one. Where are you? Where is A Aron right now? No AA ron, huh? Well, you better be sick, dead, or mute, A.A. Ron. Why didn't you answer me the first time I said it, huh? Huh? I'm just asking you, I said it like four times. So why didn't you say it the first time I said A-ron?

27:15 Because it's pronounced Aaron. Son of Bonnet! You done messed up. I don't know what to play a little thing, but it's so fantastic. He is so good. And then they did it a couple of other times. And that AA Ron thing had really taken off. And this gets shared. And it's the kind of thing that's like old at this point. Then it'll come back and you always watch it. Good. Mr. Garvey. Uh substitute teacher is my uh number four. I was enjoying this playing along. Like, he's like, hey, Aaron. I'm like, that's Aaron. Denise, that's Denise. The first one. Balak? I couldn't was like, what is that? I can't. What is that? Like, I was like, oh my god. And when he gets mad and he throws his shit, that's just that is a son of a bitch. Yeah. We just started watching that. Yeah. A long time ago. I just really. Stop watching it now. Oh shit, all right. So I'm so glad Dave is on this episode tonight.

28:19 Because he did the list right and it's perfect. Yours is great. I mean, it's the same. I'm I feel like I'm gonna hear the same five things from both of you. Nothing else is new. But this mostly because Dave is smarter than us. Of course, he is. This is because Luke watches what I watch. But my honor mentions is shit that he's, I don't think, ever seen. He's heard of shit like that, but. Is your four? My number four, which that's gonna upset Dave. What It is. It's not. I don't think you watched it. You don't like who's in it. It's just not something that it kept it caught on, and it's one of I love this show, and there's a movie coming out, community. You hate Joel McHale, am I right? It's just, I watched Community. I watched the first season maybe two. Okay. It's just him. He just gets under my skin. I think community was funny. Well, and you're right. I won't say it's all because of him. It was, it was Donald Glover and Alison Brie. Like the whole cast I thought was funny. Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase, when he wasn't being a dick. Yes. It was.

29:25 It was a a good time and they they had a they had a die hard at die hard episode yeah loved it. I like I like because I always thought And I know this is I thought Joel McHale always reminded me of Chevy in his prime. His his acting reminded me of early Chevy. Now, Chevy, but it kind of upsets me, you know. I think I'll get over it. Now, you don't like Joel McHale because I think he reminds me of Chevy, and you loved Chevy back in the day. Yeah, there's just something about him. It's that I think it's why now don't also like Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, smarty pre or smarmy pretentious. Uh Condescending kind of humor. I know. Well that's our true chase humor. And like I said, Dave's smarter. He likes he thinks he evolves. I'm still thirteen of you. No, I just I just The guy, like, you know, like there's pretty people that I like that you don't like. And you and and I can't explain it to you. Like, sometimes you just don't like somebody and he's that for me.

30:30 I think why I say it's a Yeah, it was it was great. Donald Glover, it was just uh and and his his buddy. It was just a a fun show. I was I really enjoyed watching it. Yeah, it was popular. And I hate to say this and all, but Luke, w what you for? It can't be that. No, my note's on your list. But it's not none of four. Mine for four is different. Huh, Dave, you owe us ten dollars now. I never said that. Alright. What's it for, buddy? We enjoy the show a lot. That could be anything. Teen Wolf. Can you rephrase that? We did not enjoy that show a lot. All right. You and Caitlin. Love that show. Like, it was not my president, not my Teen Wolf. This is not my Teen Wolf. Did like it. I did watch it. I like who was Stiles, the actor who I fucking love. Dylan O'Brien? I love Dylan O'Brien. I love him. The whole Teen Wolf and Superman was in it. Tyler, whatever, as the What are they called? The the the leader wolf alpha and whatever. Okay, alpha beta, whatever it was. We watched the MTV had a reboot of the old of Teen Wolf, but a re a new style. It wasn't Scott Howard Teen Wolf, it was.

31:44 Te their own teen wolf and we just they didn't even call the character Scott Howard? No, he's he was Scott. Was he Scott Buddy? Because he was Stiles. Dylan O'Brien was stopped. But was the leader guy a Nino Norty? That guy? His name was Scott. Yeah, so it wasn't though they what it was an R teen one. But I wanted to watch it to see what it was like. And then the kids got hooked. You, the two of you, your generation, I guess, really enjoyed it. Yeah. Spoiler alert. Not on my top five. But yeah, Teen Wolf was, and we love Tyler because then he was man on TV show. It was. I like the pieces of it. You enjoyed it too. No, no, no. You did. I did not. I liked it. Just admit it. I'm not admitting shit. You, you guys loved it. And I enjoyed moments. I complain it. Right. And you always, you guys will always pick on me. This is better than Teen Wolf. No, there's no fucking way. That's not my.

32:47 The movie is a lot better. Of course it is. And we're going to hopefully see it in a couple weeks after RetroCon. All right. All right, Dave, you're number three. Alright, number three. I extended this to other things besides just like public school, you know, like the traditional school kind of thing. Like we had happy days and this Key and Peele was in a public school. I also considered night school. That works. Okay. And instances where characters who weren't School aged. We're still, you know, that was good for an episode. In fact, it happens a lot. on a lot of episodes where the characters are Adults. But they want to do something school related. Like, this is an honorable mention for me, and I don't think it'll be on your list. There are two instances on like friends alone. where they use night school as a way to Get jokes. One of them is Joey. Joey teaches a soap opera acting class in night school. Yeah. And he tells them his techniques, like the smell of the fart acting. Like when you really can't, when you really have to look serious about something and you can't remember your lines, you pretend like you smell a fart and then he doesn't know, like, oh. And there's another one where Phoebe and Rachel go to night school and

34:04 And they have to read a book, and Rachel doesn't read it, and she steals all the answers from Phoebe. Doesn't matter. This happens a lot. in shows, but the best one. One of the best anyway. was on cheers. This is another singing thing. You remember when Sam and Coach went to night school? I do not until you play the clip. I don't remember that. So they go to night school. And they have like world cultures like geography and stuff like that. And Sam cannot get it right. Sam is just, he's like, I'll just sleep with the teacher. You know, like, that's how Sam wasn't going to do it. But coach is like, no, Sammy, you have to study, you know, and Sam can't do it. And then, and then coach. Teaches Sam His technique Just like possibly. It's ringing a bell now, what you're saying here. For learning about these countries and. I know all the words to this, so do many of my friends, and it will come up at times and we'll just sing it and it's freaking delightful. Thank you, Diane. Hi, guys. Now, Sam, you can learn about anything in this world if you'll just follow my little trick. Got it?

35:13 Hi. Albania. Here, Albania. Or Should we say? Albania Why'd you say it like that? We learn our facts by associating countries with music. Why? You wanna study alone? No, no. Hold on. No. One, two, three. [Clip: Coach's Albania song]

36:22 I will never forget where Albania is for the rest of my life because of that. If I say that to certain people, like friends that you and I have in common, if I just go, yo, Albania, Albania, they start singing. And I know that their chief export is Chrome. Like, I know that they border the AJ. I know their land is mostly mountainous. That that's and then even like That's not helpful. Like, which Kosha does is singing in and the best part is seeing him Sam alone, like just like looking around like embarrassed. Yeah, because they're right, they're right in the you know, like Cheers was like this like major bar. There's one table. Yeah, yeah, there's this one table, yeah. Just sitting at the one table in front of the TV. Yeah, it's it's always. One of my favorite, I mean, it's one of my favorite shows, but that one always stands out to me as one of the best because Coach was so great and their relationship was one of the key components of that. clicking for me. Uh and at this point He was pretty sick. He this might have been his last season'cause he's

37:24 He's looking real thin, you know, like you're not looking great. It's uh it's a classic. That's my new favorite. Why didn't we do a best of five with Bud Coach? Yeah, we could. We could retroactively do him. Yes, and that is true. All right. My, what are we that? Three? Yeah, yes. My number three: don't make fun of me. People make fun of me. Dave might even start making fun of me. What? I watched the um the the reboot because of the original. I watched this so Back in the day, constantly. And maybe, I don't know what years it was. I think we were in high school, which is horrible. Um boy meets world. Boy Meets World. Yes. Never saw it. It's Ben Savage and mostly'cause of Topanga. I mean, she was just Adorable. And Mr. Feeny. Principal, which is Knight Rider's Voice, whatever that actor's name is. Yeah, what is that guy's name? Yeah, I don't know. And I think he's still alive. He, they, they do conventions.

38:29 Still, and the cast and his friends, and the adorableness, and the parents, and it's a show that I think maybe I'm embarrassed to like say. I love Boy Meets World. That's okay. You can love it. When this Farmeys World, Farm Meets World, Wonder Now this Round. To allow me. And that was like the seventh season. They they're older here. It's it's when they're they're just I don't know. It was just so adorable show and the in the Girl Meets World. Was Ben Savage and Topanga had a daughter. And now it's like they're the parents, and that, which I love that show. And that's where Sabrina was, right? Yeah. She came off of that show. And we met her at Kohl's in Quakertown. Just saying. Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah, Sabrina Carpenter. She was on Girl Meets World. The

39:30 Was she the girl? No, she was the girl's friend. She was the girl's friend. Okay,'cause I never understood that for anybody who doesn't know this from listening to NEOZAZ Podcast, we All, well not all, but many of us. are from a very small town called Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Uh and Sabrina Carpenter is from here. Yes. And what's weird is Caitlin back in the day went to what's that dance class? Miss Cindy's? Was it no, it wasn't that one. Was it the other one on on 309? Something. Power and grace. I don't know. Miss Indies. Who cares? It was one, it was a dance thing. Right around the same time that Sabrina Carpenter was in the same kind of dance. Classes. So we don't know if we are cross-paths using the same classes. class after the class before? I don't know. But I think could have been in class with her. Yeah, I think we saw her or passed by her or spoken to her as a young child.

40:32 Can I prove this? No. I think because of where she is today. Maybe because of me. I think she really, when she accepts her induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, your name better come up. I'm telling you. And And my my kids were such huge fans of that show. She was doing Matt, she wasn't even a singer yet, right? She was She was doing something for the show. Yeah. And she was at Kohl's in Quakertown on a on a dark, stormy night. And And we cut the whole line. It's just horrible. It was pouring rain. The line went around the whole building and the pouring rain. So we pretended we were going in there to buy some underwear. Okay. So we go in there to Kohl's, and there's a line inside too. And then we just, we just, it broke off here. The lion goes here and it stops, and he goes down here and breaks off. We got into a spot that it broken off. And people were like, hey, hey, the data did this cut in line. And we're dry. Everyone's all, you know. Soaking wet.

41:34 And I said, No, that guy over there said just stay in here and he goes, What guy? I don't know, there's someone over there a worker. So we saw her in like 10 minutes, right? And that was it? They never pushed you on it? They were kind of like still pushing, but you know me. I'm just Pushing back. I ain't moving. Pulled us aside first. They pull us aside and say, Who told you? So somebody with that guy over there. He was just there. I don't know his name. I don't know. And then he has two eyes and a nose and a mouth. Yeah, he was walking. He was breathing the air. He had hair on his body and he spoke English. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What do you expect me to know? That's funny. We were going in to buy underwear. Like, there's somebody at the door. Sir, are you here to see Sabrina Carpenter or are you here to buy underwear? Oh, definitely not work. Hangs through the looms. Right, right this way, sir. It's it it was wrong. Do I care? Probably not. Well, I don't think you do. No, I probably not. Probably not. But yeah, so we have a picture. We have the kids that had the photos with her and all. She was nice as anything. I mean, we do love her. That show was.

42:36 was was great. I loved Topanga and watched Dancing with the Stars when she was on. I just I I just love her. Mm-hmm. So yeah, I was in love with They have a Boy Meets World podcast. I know. I know. Which I should have started when they started that show, but. That's my number three, Boy Meets World. So don't judge me. Anyone out there? Okay. All right. Mind number three was already set. Community. Communicate yeah. I know you love this. We were all about community and Joel McHale. We love Joel McHale. Dave is not. No, I don't, but I'm glad that I'm glad that you two get enjoyment out of it. I would never begrudge anybody's enjoyment. And I guess like this is the the college. So college is school, am right? Yeah, okay. Yeah, it was like a community college, right? So that way it was community. Yeah, yeah. It was it was a fantastic show. We enjoyed it. And there's a movie, supposedly, like everyone's busy. Donald Glover, didn't he have like a stroke or something? Something happened to him. Oh really? Yeah yeah yeah so yeah ever since I think it was right after

43:38 I almost said Lando, right after solo, something happened to him and he doesn't do what's the his singer. Childish Gambino. Childish Gambino. I think that that's done now. I think he's he retired that character. Yeah. Yeah. My son's a big fan of his from Atlanta. Oh, we wait. We want that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that's cool. That's his number three. There's no Boy Meets World without Topanga. And Mr. Feeny, God damn it, I love him. God damn it, Feeny. You magnificent son of a bitch. Avenue number two. My number two, again. Now watching a show where there's adults, they have to find a way to work school into it. And they've done this several times over now 18 seasons on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. But if you ask any Sunny fan. Two part High school reunion. Episode is a standout in 18 seasons of the gang going back to their high school.

44:41 and uh having their perceptions of what life was like. Some of them coming true, some of them being completely false. Frank weaseling his way into it as well, pretending like he was in the class. It's a really standout to parter. And uh it it's kind of like I mean, I h you didn't go to our we we still have high school reunions, I guess. But I only went to one of them, maybe with the five year? Yeah, we had a five-year high school reunion. I don't know why. And that was the only one I went to. But it would be interesting to have one now because it's 35 years for us now. Um Some of the things that even though we're adults and we have kids, and you go back to these things, you fall back into the same. I don't know patterns and clicks, yeah, like you were, because like that's what happens to all the characters. Can I say, I think social media, I think kind of ruined. Reunions. Because you don't need to catch up.

45:41 Catch up with how you've been because you see what everyone's. I had a burger today. Look at it. You know what I mean? Yeah. What are you looking at? Oh, this guy that I had science class with 35 years ago, he just had a double cheeseburger. Okay. Like, there's no catching up to do it because it's all out there, I guess. Yeah. And then if you saw him, you bumped into him at. at the story be like hey I I saw you a double cheeseburger. Yeah. But do you know what this is sad to see? It's weirdly. We've I've had you know, I went to school, duh. And I'm friends with a lot of people in school on through social media. That I wasn't really close to or talked to much in high school. But then when I see them out on the streets or at a store, They talked to me like we hung out. My whole life. It's just weird. Yeah, I mean, it's very weird. Yeah. Especially when you let we're talking about Quakertown and people that I know, they're like, oh, you live in Quakertown? Nobody ever leaves Quakertown. It's like very rare. Our parents lived here. Our grandparents lived here. It was like, you know, generations of people live in this town and never leave. And they all end up marrying each other. You know, like there's tons of people from our class that married their high school sweethearts. Yeah. It's a weird little

46:50 Uh thing about our town. I don't know. Maybe it's it's a cult. It's a cult. The Quakers. Well, this episode is great, and one of the best parts of any It's Always Sunny episode is when Glenn Howerton, who plays Dennis Reynolds. goes nuts because he is a psychopath. And after being shunned as His perception of being the most popular guy in school. Which he wasn't. He freaks out and he has to go to his car with everyone following him. Oh, you bastard! You bastard! Jesus Christ! Dennis, you're coming out hot! What the hell are you doing, Dennis? She rejected me! Me, French! Me! The coolest guy in the history of this goddamn school! Oh, they're all gonna pay! They're all gonna pay the ultimate prize! Whoa! Dude, what's all that stuff you're grabbing? Tools! Tools! Duct tape, zip ties, and gloves! I have to have my tools!

47:59 Well, why do you have a bunch of like weird tools in a hidden compartment in your car? Set as shit. I like to bind. I like to be bound. That's not important. Don't ask me questions. I'm not taking questions. The golden god is not taking questions. I am the golden god. I'm taking action. I gotta go. I am. I don't know how he does that when he goes off. I mean, it's just, it's, it's just a thing of beauty. And uh I love every moment of those shows for the most part. There's a few down seasons as they get older, but this is really like a peak. story arc these two episodes. And a lot of stuff happens if you're Sunny fans in these two episodes. In fact, in this high school. Is a real high school. It's not far away from where my son lived for four years in North Philadelphia. So we went to the school. And it was like, oh, this is where they drank the beers and smashed them in the parking lot before they went in. Oh, this is what the you know, like, this is where Dennis was parked and he had to get his tools.

49:03 Can I? I mean, this is a show that I know it's loved by many, and I wish I got on board when it started. I just never did. There was like this, whatever, 20-something seasons or whatever. And I do want to watch it. Explain to me, like, I feel like Danny DeVito's Fonzie. Why is this old guy, older guy, with these young guys? Because they're the gang. I mean, they're always together. He's not in the first season, he's in every season after the second. And at one point in time, Mm-hmm. could be the father of all of them. So it starts out that he is Dennis and Dee's dad. So that's why he's around. He's he's their dad. Okay. But he could also be Charlie's dad. also be Mac's dad, you know, there's like It's it's a long story. Is there jokes like that he could have slept with each one of their their moms? And that's why a couple of them anyway. All right. I know people I think didn't you and mom watch this for a while? Or did mom watch it? I've had mom watched it for a while. And I heard it's like my kind of sense of humor. I think I'm going to love it, blah, blah, blah. So maybe I'll put it.

50:09 This would be something I just start watching in between my other, you know, dumbass shows I'm watching. So many seasons. I know. That's a thing. Yeah. They end the episode doing a routine dance to George Michael's Freedom. In front of the list. I love that song. Well, it's very funny because you see them and they're great and they're dancing and it's really great, but that's their perception. And then it switches to what's really happening. It's terrible. It's horrible. This is the episode where you find out Mac's real name. Is it just Mac the whole time? name is is Ronald. McDonald. Oh, okay. So that's the way it goes by Mac. There's a lot of little things in this one. And it's it's fantastic. And I've been to the school. All right. Was it the meme now? I don't even have to I know you have to look at my phone to remind me, but I know, I know. What it is. Um my number two I guess is has history. in this household.

51:12 In this marriage and watching all 10 seasons of Beverly Hills, 90210. There's it's one of the the the best. The high school TV shows that was ever around. I know they watched it. Everyone in the 90s watched this. Everybody. Maybe he didn't go to school and tell anybody, but goddamn Wednesday nights on Fox. You were watching Beverly Hills, 90210. So many scenes. Dave, I know the scene where. Dylan Dwight gets shot. Oh, Brandon, look what they did. That's a a moment that always makes me laugh. Not then, now. Um It's a show that it was a date night, like we were just dating and whatever. Mm-hmm. And we we had to watch it and we listened to the podcast and We met everybody except Luke Perry. It's it's got autographs. Caitlin McKelly is a huge. He's supposed to be at Con, but he canceled. Wizard World decades ago, him and Priestley. And then he just he had to cancel, yeah. But everything about this show, Dave loves this show. I know he does, right, Dave? I love this show and I'm.

52:17 Wondering if you have a specific uh instance in mind. Thanks. Everything. Donna Martin grad— graduates. The The whole Dylan thing, Dylan McKay was my favorite, obviously. The whole one, his when his wife. Get shot, uh, Rebecca Gayheart. Is that who it was? Gayheart, yep. Yeah, back in the day. It's just it's there's so many. And I wish we there's a podcast, and I wish we would have re-watched it while they were doing the podcast and everything. Everything. We met the whole cast, you know? It's like we we've been to on vacation and and in California and we did a tour. Remember the reboot with Matt Lanter? Yeah, we watched it'cause they were on it as teachers, but they weren't on it much. But we went to the California and shared and saw all the sites that yeah, so there's the school I'm looking at it right now. You can go to the school. Remember the legacy key? Yeah, it didn't Steve Sanders had that? Steve sold stole the legacy key so he could break in and then change his grades. I mean, there and then and then um David, who was Brian Austin Green, the school had a frickin DJ. Yeah. He's playing music all day. Did he never go to class? He just sat in the DJ booth and played music all day. DJ boot with his weird dancing and everything and, you know, his his his head bobbing and

53:32 And the cast members that was coming go, Dean Cain was on. As her parents' lover and shit. I mean, there's so many. This, this, this, it's a show I wouldn't wouldn't mind going back and watching over again. It's probably corny and campy. Yeah, but um who cares? You know. But look at him. Look at him. It's uh it's uh it's uh it's our show. So when my old man got back in town, he's got It's a long story. You don't have time to tell me about it? Not really. But you do have time to make out with my sister. Or is that just until next month when suddenly you won't have time for her either? What's your point? My point is you better really like her. She's very romantic and dreamy and sweet, and she's not gonna move on that easily. Dylan, she's a virgin. What kind of jerk do you think I am? Have a nice weekend. I mean, she's a virgin. I know. It's cool, it can't be. And Brandon, you know, always is like talking down people and trying the voice of reason with everybody.

54:34 It's it's it was like Dave, you you said it, it's our show. This was our show growing up. Yeah. It was. And we watched it. And we and that was like, we talked about it. And it was like, we all wanted sideburns and shit. You know, it was. This is this was our show. Better than Teen Wolf. Oh my god. Yes. So it's been a T-book. Maybe not the movie. How dare you? Yeah, how dare you. That's my number one. Beverly Hills, not BH90210, not the reboots. They're on two. Sorry, number two. Yeah. I don't know what day it is. Okay. Is it me? Yes. You can't say that because you never seen it. No. Okay. Wait, before you go anywhere, mom? She always looks at her list and like, oh, oh, I would move this, oh, I would move that. But she looked at yours this morning. Are these one of them that she was shocked where it lands on your list? or not. Oh no. Okay. Fix that. Alrighty. You number two. My mine number two. Mm-hmm.

55:36 We we went to the Netflix house to do the experience. Wow, I didn't even think of this one. Stranger Things. Wow, I didn't. That's a fantastic choice, buddy. Yeah. And that is your rewatched the whole show and series, went to Netflix house just a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic. It was fun. But that show. And it was great'cause it was the eighties vibe and you still enjoyed it and everything. Originally I had Stranger Things at three and Community at two. Uh switched switched it because I I really enjoyed Stranger Things. It was a it was a great job. I don't think they had did watch the this show. Watched the first season I And then you just kind of bored with it. What how much remind me, how much were they in school? For the Stranger Things. Maybe the first couple of seasons. I think. Yeah. Yeah, they did graduate, right? Yeah, they. They did graduate. So final seeds and this this theme's cool yeah.

56:38 Okay, so there was a school component to it. I just don't remember. Yeah. I remember there being the little kids, and then there was like. High school kids, but I I don't I don't remember. I didn't I didn't fall in love with it like everybody else did. It it was it was good. And the and the Netflix house down in King of Prussia was super fun, super enjoyable. It was a good time and all. Remind me of that Terminator ride. In Universal House. Three D was it was Good and shit. stuff yeah it was good all right well cool excellent one buddy Good job. I didn't think I haven't mentioned it maybe I just see he this is this is what he's very judgeful of me yeah like he he just complimented you he said good job like what that's a that's a good one for your list and your reply is how come there's not on your list like he said something nice to you and you come back at him with like Venom. Every time we were eating something, he's like, why aren't you eating this? You know what I mean? That's how he treats me.

57:45 Be kind to your old ragged dad. Yes. Both of that those words are fucking true. Old and ragged. Yeah. Absolutely. You guys crack me up. All right. So we're number one. You would enjoy the show too. Dave would. I did. I enjoyed it. And Dave, I think, like, for the shit. No offense, Dave. For shit, Dave watches, like, like whatever Monkey Island with blood, whatever he watches, weird, weird shit. What's Monkey Island with blood? Oh, no. Like, this is your kind of show. It's like a, like a. That's horror. It's like a horror creepy place in the 80s. It's a creepy show. It's too long. I think it's too slow of a burn. I want, like, if this had been a movie. I think it would be really good. It's too, they draw it out too much. And I think I watched the first season and I liked it. And then the next season, it was like a year at us. I don't know. Yeah, they had big breaks in in between. And then they're now they're like Potsie, Richie and and and and Ralph Malph are the, you know, fifties now. You know what I mean? Yeah, that are They're all in Medicare. Yeah, and they're still sitting in a high school desk. Yeah. I saw the one kid on Broadway, the kid with the curly hair.

58:52 Oh, okay. Yeah, what's his name? You know the kid. Dustin? Dustin, yeah, whatever. And he was toothless. What's his name on the show? Toothless? What's his name? His name was Dustin on the show. But wasn't there someone named Toothless? Or is that How to Train your Dragons? That's how I'm straightening your dragon. All right. I'm back. Um I saw him in Sweeney Todd. But I think they'll call him that too. Yeah, that was his nickname on that. That was their nickname. I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't be fun of me. I'm shocked. I'm excited and shocked to hear what David wants. I know for a fact. we're going to have to have the same one. father and son. So okay. Well my number one. You're gonna like this. It's 90210, but it's specific. I knew it was going to go on your list. I love this show so much. Of course you do. I was going to say, hell yeah. This was our show. Yeah. And I think one of the reasons we liked it so much was because they were, now the actors might not have been our age, but the characters were our age.

59:57 You know, like when we were in high school, they were in high school. And then we watched them graduate and then. They went to college and I was in college. So like, I, I really, that, that meant something. To me anyway. And I really connected with these characters as soap uppery and stupid as this show is, which it is really stupid. Totally is. Yeah. But that makes good T V sometimes. Yeah. I remember spelling. I remember sitting in class, even in college, and it being Wednesday, and I'd be like, ugh, I got three classes today. This is going to be a long day. Oh, but it's Wednesday. It was a light at the end of the tunnel sometimes. Like, oh, like, okay, at least it's it's not a two and oh and you know and Brenda and Dylan are fighting and And here comes somebody. It was always like I was deep into whatever their drama was. Well, that's the thing is that it was on Wednesday nights. It was like it was like a work week, a school week, whatever. It's like, ah, it's only, you know, middle of the week. But this was a nice little.

1:01:06 but it's Wednesday. And this was the show that started like over summertime. All repeats for everything else. Did you and mom watch this together? Yeah. Yeah. Except 90210, when it first was coming on, they said, fuck it, let's put out new episodes during the summer. And everyone has repeats. This show just got fucking clicked and hooked with everybody. Yeah, all the people our age. Would watch it because there was nothing else to watch. And it was like, they were on summer vacation just like us. Yeah. They were at the beach. They were at the Beverly Hills Beach Club, and we were, you know, sitting around. I love the jersey, sure. I mean, it was certainly different, but it did make you connect. And when something was going on, like, it's like, oh, There there will be a there will be these big events like there are on soap operas'cause I watch soap operas too. Yes, you do. Do a good job of like building up to this major moment. Dylan gonna choose Brenda or Kelly? Mm-hmm. And it would be like who who's gonna who's gonna choose? Who's gonna choose? Oh my god.

1:02:09 My moment is something that you already mentioned, and this was a monumental moment in this. show. So much so that when we went to I went to that one convention with you and they were all there except for Luke Perry who had passed. Right. This is the Steel City Pittsburgh one I think. They were all there, Ian Ziering, Tori Spelling. Uh uh uh Uh Shannen Doherty. Brian Austin Green, yeah, like, and you got Brian Austin Green's autograph, and I complimented his shoes. Like, it was like a, it was a really great day. And they did that panel. And I was like, I don't want to, like, you like to go to these panels at these conventions. I like to do some of them. I know. I don't care what they have to say. But that one I was like, all right, well, that might be interesting. And at one point during the panel, someone started to chant. And all of us now in our 40s or 50s started chanting: Donna Martin graduates, Donna Martin graduates, you know, like that is like a thing for people our age. And I I was so invested in this, I'm embarrassed.

1:03:13 But I'm also kind of Delighted. Just if we drop the whole thing right now, they won't go ahead and flunk all of us. Can they do that? Listen, I know how important Donna Martin is to all of you, but Superintendent Epphardt is serious about this. And I'd hate to see you throw your entire high school careers down the drain for this. Tell Superintendent Ephart that summer school registration is gonna break the record this year. Donna Martin graduates. Donna Martin graduates. Donald Martin graduates. I got goosebumps. Donna Martin graduates. Donna Martin graduates. Donna Martin graduates. Yeah, and it's he's like, Donna Martin graduates. Yeah, just how he is. And it's so, I mean, I got goosebumps. This show was so fantastic. Yeah, this was a big deal. I mean, I remember sitting there being like, yeah, Donna Martin.

1:04:16 It's not a real person. Right. But we were. Do you remember why she was at risk of not graduating? Did she cheat on something? No. You see Something she wore? No, I forget. She got caught drinking at the prom. Yeah, yeah, she got a little drunk at the prom, and they were all like, Donna's drunk, and she never drank. Like, she was like the Christian girl, even though she dressed like a whur. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And they and they're like trying to usher her out of the prom, and they're keeping her away from all the from all the administrators, and then like she fell. Right in front of like Mrs. Teasley, the principal. Yeah, that was her behind Brandon, right? Yeah. Yeah, Donna, Donna, are you have you been drinking? And she was like, Yeah, it's one of the mom knows why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can quiz her later. Why did Donna Martin almost not graduate? She'll tell you in a heartbeat. So answer that in a second. Yeah. Yeah. That's my number one all-time school. I'm glad. I am glad.

1:05:28 That nine two one o's is is on your list'cause you You were That was your shit. You know what I mean? Donna Martin graduates, Chris. Among graduates, Luke. All right. you say it. Say Delta Margaret Day. Donna Morning graduates, Steve. All right. My number one. I think it's your number one two. Now we're gonna do what what what Dave did. What? One, two, three, say it. Now if it's wrong, you gotta wait until I talk about mine first, okay? Be serious, don't say something stupid. I'm not gonna say as the world turns, I'll say exactly what it is. Okay. One, two, three, say it. Ready? Okay, rigs, Marta. Title. Do you say all three or two? I just told you. Well, I just told you, not one, two, title. Two three title. What two three title? Yeah, so I guess on on four.

1:06:31 Which means on the four say title, okay. You ready? One? Yeah. Three small towns. Smallville. Okay. Two things I mean, Smallville is Besides Moon, it was first Three's Company, then Moonlighting came along and knocked that out, and then Smallville. Small was my third. Favorite show. of all time. Watch all whatever 10 seasons of it. Listen to the podcast. And we met the whole coach. Watch it live? Watch it. Yes. Watch it live. It's school, obviously. And then Superman involved. We watch it for Smallville. We watch it for Smallville. We watch it every Sunday. We watch every time. I cry every fucking time. I'm 52, 3. How old am I? I don't know. 53 years old and I still cry. Dave, I know if you wouldn't mind while we're bullshitting by Smallville, if you can bring up the, there's probably no dialogue, but I don't care, the finale, like the last scene of Smallville when he owns up his shirt. Maybe him and Lois are on the steps and he's about to go up on the on rooftop.

1:07:35 So nothing to do with school. Damn it. Yes. Oh, you know what? Play a school seat. I don't care. I don't care what you play. It was an interesting thing. The whole Lana and Clark during high school, and the show was better, so much better during high school time. Yes. He and then the later season has gotten into the Superman. Later season has gotten more into the Superman lore and the Phantom Zone and Lex and everything and Aquaman, who was played by Reacher. Did you get it? Thought you might need something blue. I did. Alright, let's 'Cause they're gonna get married. Still, Minister, and maybe a few minutes left. Look at this! But who's close? Look at that.

1:08:56 How the show ended, that's all I wanted to see. The end you had this on the DVR for the month, Dave. Before streaming, before DVDs were out there. I DVR'd It wasn't even DVR. Was it DVR back then? I think it was. I had this episode for over a year. Uh On the DVR just to watch the end over and over and over again, because it wasn't on streaming or I didn't have the tense using yet. Everything like the first, what are five, six seasons, the whole high school and shit, and the college years, whatever. The whole Lana love triangle and Lois came on board. It's just, I love the early Lana. I know it's not supposed to meet me. I know it. I know it. He's not meant to be with Lana. I understand it. But my God, it is so adorable. seeing them fall in love in high school. Well, I like it. Yeah. They could d their spin off calling Metropolis. Yeah, and with him actually in the outfit, there was just I remember the cast so many times, I got the autographs to almost everybody.

1:09:58 You know what I mean? Like, it was it's a big this this is this is mine 90210. That's mom's, this is mine 90210. All right. Well, that's great. That was her, that was our number one. Did you ever watch it? What occasion Dave did, right? I watched like the first many seasons until that got stupid. I probably watched like the first four or five seasons. So Dave didn't see the part where Reacher played Aquaman yet. Now it started to get dumb and then I bailed. But it was really good when they were in school. And one of the crossovers on like the Arrowverse kind of shit. Yeah. Oh my god. Fantastic. Too much. All right, well, let's let's do you, Luke, first. I must hear your unwanted. Let's get one on one guy, because I got a shitload, Dave. Yeah. Girl meets world. The spin-off. The spin-off. Cause you never saw from which we were. I want to see how many of these shows. Cause I'm a sappy guy. I love like stupid. I'm I am the why I am a romantic

1:11:02 All right, Dave, I got a bunch here. You tell me if you watch any of these because I don't know if you did. All right. All right. Um, I know, Saved by the Bell, you already said no. Never saw a second to see by the bell. No, we I feel like we are a little too old for that, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I think I watched it mostly on repeats after like on Saturday mornings or something. I know you were a big fan of 21 Jump Street. No. Oh no, for real? I don't think I will watch that either. Did you watch Coach? Yes. Okay. Shelley Fabares, rest her soul. Um, Head of the Class. Head of the Class, yes. Did you prefer Howard Hesseman as the teacher or Billy Connolly as the teacher? No, Howard Hesseman all the way. You don't like Billy Connolly? I did, but I liked Howard Hesseman more. Yeah, all right. Because it was the original, but I guess so, yeah. When Billy Connolly took over, it was like, I feel like equally entertaining. And a good cast. And some of those people went on to do things and some of those people went on to be criminals. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who created Nickelodeon or something all the all the shows, yeah.

1:12:09 Um The Wonder Years, I adore that show. Oh, shit. That's a good one. That might be the one number six. I didn't even think about the Wonder Years. That show meant a lot to me, too. That's a great, honorable mention. Freaks and Geeks. That's a good one. Loved it. It was short run, but that's where a lot of fucking stars came from. Don't laugh at me. Diaries. Okay. I mean blast it. That shows stupid. I'm not laughing. I'm stunned, but I'm not laughing. That shows stupid. It was corny after a while, but I I like the whole high school shit and what the vampires I I do have my on my list here, which I don't want to admit it. And they write, I did write down Teen Wolf. But yeah, and you know, I don't mention that's number of 22nd on my list, okay? Don't don't you dare say Riverdale. That's not on my list. No, thank God. Everwood. Love that show. You still talk about that show a lot. I know. I know. The Chris Pratt and everything, it was great.

1:13:10 Boston Public, Dave, I know you watched. Boston Public, I almost wrote down, but I didn't because I didn't know. Think anybody would even remember it. So I'm glad that you did bring it up. That was a great show. The only scene that even mom is remembering I don't even know why. There's this teacher Kept on bringing up people's shoes and would pick it up and say, smell this shoe. What? Yes. She would use things. How people smell shoes. That was a big scene that they clicked. Yeah, I don't know why. I think the best part of that, because it was Boston Public, it was a drama set in a Boston public school. And all the teachers had like their own shit going on in their personal lives, but then there was like the stuff in class. And the standout guy from that, who always is a standout guy. God rest his soul in everything he does. But now, like, he never, like, he never became super famous. But Nicky Katt. Yeah, was cool as shit. He was the best part. Yeah, he was a great, great. Cast member on that show, yes.

1:14:12 Yeah, Chi McBride was on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Buddy, you know Chi McBride from the Hawaii Five-0 reboot. That's a serious I didn't think I was gonna hear today. I got a fresh prince of Bel Air. I mean, that's that's one of the best. Then I have the 90210 wannabe, which we'd watched it fucking When 90210 and they were like, oh, now what? The O.C. came on. We were hooked, so. Yeah, those those teenage soap opera dramas like those Dawson's Creek kind of things really I don't know, that they were geared at our generation, I think. I never watched episode of Dawson's Creek. I never saw an episode of Gilmore Girls. Like a lot of the other big classics I n I that's something I never watched, but I think if you started watching Gilmore Girls you would um be so sucked in that you would take over your life. I know. How are you, Dave? Do you have any honorable mentions? I do. I have uh one of

1:15:13 And this was another like an adult taking a night school kind of thing. And I can't play a clip from because it's almost silent because Mr. Bean. Uh doesn't really talk. So there's a really great Mr. Bean episode. Of Mr. Bean cheating on a test. And the links that he'll go to to copy off the paper of the guy next to him. And then, like, crap that he brings along with him. It's really, really Rowan Atkinson doing something that almost nobody else can do. So Mr. Bean cheating on tests is something to really look up. One of my favorite sketches on Saturday Night Live ever were any of the Mary Catherine Gallagher sketches. Oh, yeah, yeah. Throw a little Catholic school in there. She was so funny and physical, and like the crap that she, the way she would throw her body around on those metal folded chairs sometimes. Yeah. Just like that had to hurt. Yeah. One of the, there's a couple, there's a couple instances on the office that are really funny involving school. Probably the more memorable one is the Scott's Tots.

1:16:20 Which is Michael. Promises an elementary school class when they were kids that when they graduate, he will pay their college tuition. And now They are. graduating and he has he doesn't have any Way that he can do that. So it's Michael trying to maneuver, getting out of. That and he goes to the school because they're going to have him in, and all the kids have this planned dance, and they're going, Hey, Mr. Scott, what you gonna do? What you gonna do to make our dreams come true? He has to tell them all that he can't pay for their college. It's so funny, and there's another one where Ryan. Who is the temp in the office at the time is going to business school, and he invites Michael into his business class as a guest speaker. Uh so office fans will know. How funny that is as well. And I did think of a couple on family ties. Family ties had a lot of school stuff. I was thinking that too, but I didn't remember them in school. Like, in like classrooms. I don't know, I just thought they were always at home.

1:17:24 You're right. A lot of it was at home. One of the first things I thought of was Mallory. has to do a paper on the Louisiana Purchase. It's ringing a bell now. And her teacher is pushing her and Mallory has to give this speech about the Louisiana purchase. But there's one that I watch. I s I still watch I it's on something. I watched it the other day. Yeah. And it's Alex is in high school and he needs both of his parents to have this teacher, Mr. Tedesco. Write him a letter of recommendation to get into Dartmouth. And the guy is a dick. Both Mr and Mrs. Keaton end up punching the guy. Do you remember that one? I don't. She punched him too. She's the first one to punch him because the guy's rude. Like the parents all come in and he's like, no, I can tell why your children are all stupid. They got it from you. You know, like he's terrible to all the parents and she insists that he apologize and he won't and she punches him in the face. And then Mr. Keaton goes in to apologize and it looks like it's all okay. I remember this now. I do remember this now. He ends up punching him and it's funny because they're pacifists.

1:18:27 They were like hippies and they ended up punching the guy. Yeah. But I some of the other ones, there was there was so Many that I had. Like, do you remember any time John Travolta would do his Barbarino song on Welcome Back, Kotter? Yeah, I do. I love that too. Alright, now loosen up. We gotta loosen up here, right? All right, stop your necks. Start to feel who you are. Say the bar bar bar bar You always are talking. It's it's hard to believe that's John Travolta. Yeah. Like all this time they are like the when Luke, when you watch it, can you Believe that's John Travolta?

1:19:30 Perfection, do you see that? In Grease? Yeah, yeah. Yeah? He's so, he's so young. You already mentioned. Danny McBride and Eastbound and Down is what I go to with him. And he has to end up being a substitute teacher in a gym class in the school. And this quote has become a thing for people who love sports. Play with each other. I love Kenny Powers in my school. Wow. It is a true pleasure to meet you. I'm just a huge fan. Terrence Cutler, principal. Oh, big boss man. Okay. Well, boy, when I heard that you were going to be subbing here, I almost lost my mind. Well, that's good for you. Well, there's something you need to know about, Kenny. You're not the only athlete here at Jeff Davis. I happen to be training for a triathlon right now. So, doing a lot of running and cycling, swimming. Well, you know all about that. No, actually I don't. I play real sports. I try to be the best at exercising. That that quote comes up a lot.

1:20:36 Um and do you remember this, The Cosby Show? This is from the pilot episode. Is anyone drinking in this episode? No, okay. Theo gets bad grades on a and this is another one that we related to because they were like our age Theo gets bad grades on a test in school, and he comes home and gives this speech. instead of acting disappointed. Because I'm not like you. Maybe you can just accept who I am and love me anyway. Because I'm your son. See y'all. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life! You get D's and everything. Have a drink. There's so many good ones. I mean

1:21:37 Don't want to belabor this any Longer. There is. I mean, it's it's when you're in school watching school shows, it it clicks more with you. Yeah, definitely. Well those were good. Um I'm hopefully everyone had a good time coming to class. That's right. If you're one of the two listeners, let us know what some of yours are. Please, they post, if it's Smallville, feel free to post the whole entire episode. I'll watch it. Okay. So, um well, class dismissed, and then we'll see you next time on. Best of fives. Yeah. [Music]

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More from Ya Gotta See Them Live, including Blues Traveler, Peter Gabriel and ZZ Top. Tim, Dave's concert-photo trading partner, co-hosts Pass the Popcorn.

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0:17 Hello and welcome. Ya Gotta See Them Live. Podcast about the power of live music told one band at a time. My name's Dave. Thank you for joining me for another episode. And this is another hot take. This is a pretty hot hot take because it's 10 a.m. The next morning after seeing Eagles of Death Metal at Union Transfer. This would have been August 14th, 2026. My first time seeing them, and I had a blast, and it's still on my mind. So I figure I would get something down on it. If you're not familiar with Eagles of Death Metal, it's a misnomer, really. In fact, I was at back-to-back shows just Thursday and Friday nights, and I went to Foo Fighters. And coincidentally, Queens of the Stone Age, the night before I just saw Eagles of Death Metal. And my friend Matt, who was along, knows everything about metal. He's like the metal guy. In fact, he was wearing some kind of t-shirt at Foo Fighters. I don't even know what it was. And I'm like, what is that band? He's like, oh, it's some satanic thing. That's this kind of guy. You know, he knows it all.

1:26 And we were talking about Eagles of Death Metal. He's like, yeah, when that first came out, I was excited. And I went and went to listen to it. It's not metal at all. It's not what he was thinking. So it is kind of a misnomer. And it goes along with the sense of humor that the man has because really, what you would consider to me their music. Be garage rock. It's rock. You heard it there. It's rock, garage rock. I would say even glam rock a little bit. That 70s kind of sexiness to rock and roll, a bit punky, but it is also very funny and sarcastic. And that has a lot to do. with their lead man. Mr. Jesse Hughes. Which is who I saw last night. So Eagles of Death Metal. And I say coincidentally, having seen Queens of the Stone Age the night before. Eagles of Death Metal were formed in 1988 by Jesse Hughes and Josh Homme. The guy from Queens of the Stone Age. And if I've seen interviews with him, he's like, I'm not, I don't have, I'm not in one band. I'm in two bands. Like, even though he doesn't perform with them a lot.

2:34 He still considers himself Part of this band. He co-created it with him. He plays the drums, he wrote the songs. Like, it's his band, too. And there was a little part of me. that was hoping. Because Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stone Age and Mannequin Pussy, who I didn't even get in in time to see. Um their day to day break in their tour. Part of me was hoping that Josh Homme would stick around in Philadelphia. and come and play this show. Eagles of Death Metal show with Jesse Hughes, which would have been really cool. And I started talking to some other people in the pit, like we were very close, like a general admission, the whole place. Uh everybody's very friendly. Also, most of them younger than me, which is starting to get really annoying. at shows, but whatever. I mean, I'm going to go. I was the the the guy that I ended up talking to a lot. And I figured I was like, as soon as I saw him, he was he was kind of loud. I don't know. He was, I heard him talking about being on Molly. And I'm like, this guy's going to be a problem. He actually was very nice, and we ended up talking. And he's like, I just want to let you know I'm going to be banging into you a lot. And I was like, okay, great. You know, one of those kind of things.

3:42 Really nice guy. He and I started talking. He was hoping for the same exact thing. It did not happen. And it was a long shot. Those the those you know, big tours they gotta schedule and they're exhausted, you know, like for him to. Josh Homme's my age. I mean, I'm 53. Like, he, uh, for him to do back-to-back-to-back shows, and it's a lot. So didn't happen. You still got Jesse Hughes. Boots Electric himself and he leads the show. like uh almost like a revival. He is he is so funny. He's leading the crowd in song. He's dancing all over the place. He's talking about this song. I wrote this song because I wanted to shake my dick. And that's what I'm going to do right now. I'm going to shake my dick for you. It's like that the whole time. After every song, and he's talking to people, he does the line from the warriors that Cyrus does. Can you dig it? So he's doing that. And then he's like, by the way, who knows what that's from? And people yell out, the Warriors. And he was like blown away. He's like, I do tons of shows. And I asked what movie that's from. And nobody fucking knows. And you guys knew. He probably says that every show too.

4:53 I would classify him as one of the most enigmatic front men. That I've ever seen. Really fantastic. And he even talked about Josh Homme saying, you know, he's his brother. He loves him to death. And he was like and he said something about him being there. And he made a joke. He's like, I wouldn't let that motherfucker on this stage. I'm too vain. I don't want anybody looking at him. I want everybody looking at me. Which everybody was doing. You can't take your eyes off the guy. But they are really dear friends. I know that I read a story about Jesse Hughes getting really had a had a really bad drug problem. Josh Homme. drove him to rehab, paid for his rehab, like I think. I think they're still really Pretty dear friends. But the show was great. It was the 20th anniversary of Death by Sexy, which is by far their biggest album. And they played the album. Top to bottom. And when I was first listening to them. And I said they came out in 1998. I'm thinking like 2004-ish. I remember my son being very little. He was still a toddler. But this is what I was listening to on the way to work. I listened to this album over and over again.

6:04 And they played it in order. And the first half of that album. is stuff I know very well. Back half, not as much, but still good. And then they did an encore where they played some of their other songs from other albums like I Only Want You and Anything 'Cept the Truth. They actually did a Heroes, David Bowie "Heroes" cover at the end. Really fantastic. In order. I Want You So Hard. I Got a Feelin'. Cherry Cola, which I just played. I Like to Move in the Night. Solid Gold. Don't Speak (I Came to Make a Bang!) is probably their biggest song, but they don't really have a hit. Yeah, I guess if you're going to get one, that's the closest. Here's a little snippet of what I heard last night. So there's always somebody there filming. I don't film. I mean, I usually take a little snippet and send it to Tim.

7:22 From Pass the Popcorn. Cause he and I trade concert photos a lot, but I don't. I'm there to watch a show. There's so many people every time a song comes up, especially in a general admission. Everybody puts their phone on, and because they have to see over everybody else, they all put their phone way up in the air. So all you're doing is looking through a sea of phones. I've watched songs. on the phone of the person standing in front of me, which sucks. Enjoy it. Like, you got, I know you want to put it on your social media and be like, look at me. I'm so cool. I'm at this show. Just fucking enjoy it because you ruin it for the people behind you. Nobody's listening to this. But that's my public service to people that go to shows. Um Jesse Hughes did mention the tragedy. That Eagles of Death Metal had to endure in Paris in 2015. It was the Bataclan Theater. really a terrorist attack, ISIS terrorist attack. Eighty-nine people died. One of them was their merchandise manager or something like that. Jesse Hughes and members of the band even had to testify in the trial.

8:25 And there's a documentary about that too. It's very, very sad. And he did mention it. Just in passing, saying, like, you know, rock and roll can take you places. And I've been through really high highs and the lows, lows, and tragedies in my life. But you know, you gotta persevere kind of thing. But it was a really friendly crowd and everybody was into it. Union Transfer. This is my first time there, actually. It's on Spring Garden Street in Philadelphia. If you ever come to Philadelphia and see a show there. I'm definitely going back. It was it was the kind of place that I like. It's small. And everything's general admission. There's balconies on the sides, and then just a large general admission pit of whatever you want to call it, bars on the sides. You probably have a place like this in your city. This one's really neat and it's old, old woodwork. It's a gorgeous building. I looked it up because I wanted to know what Union Transfer even was. And it seems like back in the railroad days when the trains would go through Philadelphia to like New York or.

9:25 Boston or wherever, union transfer was where they did the luggage. So your luggage was going to Union Transfer to be put on like different trains and things like that. I love places that have like an old interesting history like that. So I had a blast. Uh it wasn't a long show. pretty quick because there the sh song he even said during the thing, he's like, man. That song was short. And I'm like, yeah, you wrote it. You know, like, these are short. Heavy hitters. They get you dancing. Get you feeling good. Get you bumped into by the guy that I met last night. It was one of those kind of shows. pouring down sweat. And this was two nights in a row for me. Like, I mean, I w I'm not ready to do the Foo Fighters. Episode of this. because Thursday night was the fifth time. That I've seen Foo Fighters, and this was a stadium show. It was at Lincoln Financial Field where the Eagles play. So there was probably 70,000 people there.

10:26 And we were in the pit. We were up on the rail almost. I mean, I could have I could have hit Dave Grohl with a paper airplane. We were so close. So I was like, I'm not ready to do that. But I knew what I was doing this show the next night. And I just needed to get this off my chest. So thank you for listening. This tour is pretty fresh. If you can see it. Anywhere in your city, I totally recommend it. It's a, it was a party and an inclusive party. And I really enjoyed it. So there was an opener. They were called Mountain Head, who I had never heard before. And I actually enjoyed them a lot. They have the, I guess, their shtick is. When you walk out, they kinda look like Mumford and Sons. Amish? I guess that's an Amish thing they're going for. They all have the flat-brimmed hats. The long beards. The dr I mean all of them, the drummer and the two lead guys. And the mo music was kinda like Eagles of Death Metal, but not even as hard. It was kind of a mellow.

11:28 rock kind of groove. When you see these guys you're thinking, what the fuck am I about to listen to? They had choreography. And they were very dedicated to the choreography and it wasn't much. But it was them standing very still and then turning their heads left and right and up and down at certain times. I wouldn't be surprised if Mountain Head catches on. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if I never hear of him again after I stop thinking about this show. But it was fun. I would recommend Mountain Head, I guess, even as somebody that I might investigate a little more because you never know what you're getting yourself into with an opening act. But these guys fit. The vibe. That kinda sarcastic. Who gives a fuck? Let's just have a party vibe. And that's what you get at an Eagles of Death medal show that I just found out last night. I've been a fan for a long time. I can finally put them on my list. So thank you for listening to this, and I'll see you at the show.

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Also mentioned

• The Catacombs of Halloween Horror Nights – Ozzy Osbourne: Prince of Darkness, the HHN episode Dave plugs
• Chris, Tim and Luke's take on Last House in Pass the Popcorn – Spider-Man Brand New Day, Coyote vs Acme, and The Dog Stars

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0:23 Hello and welcome to Streams and Nightmares, where the horror is always streaming. And the nightmares never end. I'm your host, Dave. Your host of the best, the worst, and the bloodiest streaming horror on all platforms. Welcome back to the show. Before I get to the five movies that I have for you today, I just wanted to point something out because if you're an old guy like me, I would say. Before anyone else, I don't know shit about fuck as far as streaming and podcasting and. podcast platforms and all that kind of stuff. But I just want to say if you want to hear the newest. And the best things that NEOZAZ is doing, go to NEOZAZ.com. And that's when you know when new episodes are coming out. I only say this because I don't know how things get online. That's Matt's. None of this would be happening without Matt. We'd be recording stuff and sending it to Matt, and he would delete it. No. Matt is taking care of everything. And I don't know what happens, but like I've been using Spotify to listen to things. We put out a couple of things recently, including an episode of Streams and Nightmares that aren't on Spotify, but I know.

1:33 Fact. They're on Streams and Nightmares. So if you don't want to miss anything. Go to NEOZAZ.com where everything that we currently do or have ever done is there for free for you to listen to. That's my little thing about that. So. Getting into the show, I got five things for you of varying degrees of enjoyment. Some people may say none of these are enjoyable. I would not say that. Starting with 2019's Char Man. And this is a found footage B horror movie. I know I do a lot of these, but honestly, there's a lot of them out there. I'm only like kicking back to you what they're kicking out to us. So use this as a public service as to whether or not you wanna watch these movies or don't you know whatever you want to do if you have any inkling that you're going to watch these. At least you have somebody that's telling you. whether or not it's a waste of your time. in my stupid and humble opinion. But let me tell you about Char Man.

2:38 Uh it it's it's basically three guys who set out to make A. Fake. documentary about one thing. And learn about another legend along the way, which they decide is a better idea than their original idea. And that's when stuff starts to go wrong, sort of. Does it really go wrong? Yeah, I mean it does, but It's quite a twisted and long journey and not necessarily a good one. But here's Char Man Trailer to start off. Somewhere nearby, the actual body of the Ojai vampire is buried. We're gonna try to find him. Ojai vampire. Ojai vampire. Ojai vampire. Last time I checked things are gonna get a little spooky. You know what I mean? A lot of spooky. Jay and the soon lost his

3:42 He was scraping the say that once you see him you'll see him again. Wires on it. Nobody can deny what you see on the camera. Last night I think we had s some kid that It's absolutely freaky. something. Now we clearly have breaking news. This is severe darkness. Alright, so Char Man 2019 is streaming on Prime, Roku and Tubi. Like I said, this is found footage. And I don't know anything about Ojai, California, but I did some research because I was interested.

4:47 and where this all came from. So it's these three guys. They're going to do this thing on the Ojai vampire. It's their terrible idea, which they kind of admit these characters in the movie, they're going to make this. Documentary, and it's just kind of garbage. But along the way, a guy tells them about the Char Man. And the guy, and he's even in the trailer, his name's Jeff Kober. You would he's the only person in this you would recognize. You you probably have seen him in things like Sons of Anarchy and I think he was in The Walking Dead. I think he's nominated for an Emmy for this upcoming season for The Pitt. He's uh one of the guys on The Pitt. He's a patient on The Pitt. And I don't really watch The Pitt, but I know that people that do are. Really, really loving it, and he is an Emmy nominee at this point. He tells them about the Char Man, this story about. you know, th that he kinda talks about in the in the trailer there. And people would smell.

5:48 Burning when the charman was around. This charm thing is a real legend in Ojai. California. Mm-hmm. And it seems from what I've looked at. people of Ojai. Are really pissed off at these three guys or whoever made this movie, because it's really just three guys. N The fact that they've wasted this idea of this really great legend in California of the Char Man. So they're also mad at the way the town is portrayed. They do go around in the town. They're trying to ask people about the Char Man and people are rude to them. And it's like in a movie, like they go to the door and someone's, you know, it's a store and it says open. And they're like, hey, we're here to talk to you about the Char Man. And they quickly turn it around. It says closed. And they're like, oh, you know, these people, they've got something to hide. people in Ojai are not Really fond of these three guys. I didn't find them that bad. I did actually find them entertaining, especially the one guy that plays Cameron.

6:49 He kind of goofy. He's funny. He's almost like a Zach Galifianakis kind of guy. I actually did like him, but there is really, and I mean really, nothing going on in this movie. There's a lot of bickering between the guys. There's a couple of people wearing masks. À la The Strangers. In the woods. None of this makes sense. They really don't give this Char Man legend its due. And people think that there should be a proper Char Man movie, just not this. So people are pissed off at these guys. I mean, a lot of it is them smelling things. I got news for these guys. Smelling things doesn't transfer to film. So every time they just, oh, you can smell, I can smell it, it's burning. This isn't smell a vision, dude. We can't smell it. I'll and most uh the the most haunting thing that happens in this. is the water turns on and off on its own. And it's not on its own. They're in a room, there's a sink, they leave, they come back, and the water's on. And they'll spend 10 minutes on this. Did you turn the water on? I didn't turn the water on. Who turned the water on? It's the charm.

7:58 Really? I mean, it's one of their buddies came in and turned the spigot on when they left the room. It's really kind of a bullshit movie. I gave it a two out of 10. This is the worst thing that I'm going to tell you about today. So don't fall for the Char Man, even if these guys are a little bit funny. So that's the first one. Moving on to something way better. Random Acts of Violence. This is a Shudder movie. Streaming on AMC Plus 2019. And there's a couple people in here this you would recognize, but mainly Jay Baruchel. I really like. He wrote and directed this and he has a part in it as well. His part isn't that big, but I think he's freaking busy on this movie. The star is Jesse Williams. I only know him from things here and there. He's like this super handsome dude. He was on the maybe last season of Only Murders in the Building. This is another one where art meets horror. A la The Devil's Candy that I did many shows ago with Ethan Embry. I love art. I love horror. I love when they come together.

9:01 And here's your trailer. Tonight, we have a one-hour special treat lined up for you as I'm joined by none other than Todd Walkley, brainchild behind one of the most successful R-rated comic books ever, Slasher Man. Slasher Man's like my life. I find it inspiring. I'm gonna be honest with you, I haven't found my ending yet. This is a road trip that will be really fun and really. We are staying in all motels. They're all rural and they're all rich. I didn't know a place like this still existed. Is any of this getting your creative juices flowing? This could be the seat of a massacre, yes. Guys, we are in the middle of nowhere. We need to figure that out. What's going on? There in concern that Slasher Man could push the already unstable over the edge into violence. I've drunk what, a thousand kills? Once in a while, one of them might match up with something that happens in this country. We need to call the cops. And tell them what? That it's a killer running around recreating murders for my comics? What is it? Oh my god.

10:15 God drew this. He is the laser to kill us. Can't wait to show. This stuff. Pretty solid movie, I will say that about Slasher Man. And I do love the idea, this goes back to even music. I mean I'm in my fifties. I grew up in the eighties when I was People were saying that music was making young people do terrible things or satanic things, like Ozzy and all that kind of stuff. That blends into this that this comic this guy is drawing. is inspiring. Real killings And it's it's Very well done. And I think that Jay Baruchel is a big part of that. I I just I like the guy. I think a part of the reason I like Jay Baruchel so much is'cause I've read these stories about how he hates Jonah Hill.

11:22 And the stuff and this is This Is the End. where they were fighting wasn't necessarily always acting. I hate Jonah Hill too. I think most people should because he seems pretty hatable. So, all right, Jay Baruchel, I'm with you on that. He's Canadian. This is supposed to take place in the United States, but it's. It's definitely Canada. And I think at some point, even when they drive by a speed limit sign, it's in kilometers. It's like, just say that you're in Canada. We don't care where you are. And that's the only thing I would really say about this. I give it a five out of 10 because five to me means it's a solid movie to watch. I'll probably. I know I won't ever watch this again. This is not a re-watchable movie. You watch it once, you digest it, you're entertained. Very well done. And then you move on with your life. This slasher man is a pretty cool villain. He wears like a welder's hat. Welders mask and the killings are very brutal, actually. So, this is this is pretty good. The coolest trivia that I found, I don't know how true this is, but I guess this was supposed to be made a long time ago.

12:27 2011, even eight years before this was actually made. And the person that they were going to get to star in it was Eminem. So, I don't know if that's true or not. I like Eminem as an actor. He's really only been in like two things that I can even think of. I wish Eminem did more acting, I think he's a good actor. I don't know what he would be like in this. I like this movie, Random Acts of Violence on AMC, I think is definitely worth your time to invest, especially if you like comic books. Because it's a lot. The comics, and there's another thing I will say that's a bit of a slam. Comics that they use in the movie that's supposed to be his comic book, it's not good art in the comic books. In fact, it's pretty terrible at times. So There's there's a tiny dig at that, but it's not it doesn't. The story doesn't hinge on how well the art is, how well done the art is. So that's just a little thing in that. Moving on to another thing, I feel like I've covered a lot of these movies, maybe because I seek them out.

13:28 Because they do love the idea of haunted attractions. And I don't even do it. There are shows on NEOZAZ that are dedicated to haunted attractions, and the biggest one being Universal's. Horror nights. So you can go on NEOZAZ.com and get a bunch of things like that. In fact, there's a newer episode of that. Speaking of Ozzy. where Matt and and Hun and Hunter and you know they they talk about this uh theming becoming a part of Universal. Horror nights. So I do like. This concept? Some of them are well done, some of them aren't. This one is pretty good. It's called Haunt Season. It came out in 2024. And I think the thing that I like most about this is when you watch these. Haunted attraction slasher. you know, horror movies. Like there's another one called Haunt. Uh, you can tell that this was contrived, or you know, the haunted attraction itself.

14:30 is not believable. This to me looks like a real haunted attraction. So I think because there are lots of those, this one differentiates itself because this one seems to have a little more validity as a real place. Let me play the trailer for you. How long can you scream without needing like a break or something? Probably a few hours. This is Matilda. It's her first time at a haunted house. We're just a bunch of theater kids who never grew up and got real jobs. It's fake. It's only fake if you don't believe it. It's all fantasy, right? This is all part-time and seasonal, so sometimes people just disappear. So what's your thing? Either gonna chase people around with a fake chainsaw. Just run with the real one. Oh.

15:34 We give the people what they want! And what they want in blood! They want cuts. They want clowns and chainsaws. Well, come to the right place. Uh So the Haunted Attraction is called Realm of Terror. This looks like something that you could Go to. And I would. And I've said couple times recently to Chris from Pass the Popcorn. This year, we used to go with these all the time. And they were so much fun. I want to do it this year. I want to actually go.

16:36 Get her old bones off the couch. We go someday and we actually do this'cause it's always a good time and we just don't do it anymore. I think this haunt season 2024 is fresher. than most of the others. The acting is good enough that it doesn't detract. And I guess you can kind of tell what I'm saying. But when you watch some of these and the acting is that bad, it just really ruins the movie for you. Or you become focused on it. The acting in this, there's a couple of people that are actually really good. And the rest of the people are not bad either. It doesn't take you out of the movie. During the whole movie, the staged injuries that are happening in the rooms that you would walk through become their real injuries or their real deaths. I like it a lot. There's a lot of dong in this movie too. Just to let you know, there's a lot of nudity in this, including dong. This is your dong warning if that's a a trigger for you. Also, it has a mystery element to it, almost a perverted Scooby-Doo.

17:41 Yeah, yeah. a lot of red herrings that you're gonna meet a lot of characters through it and you're like oh that's probably the eye You know, and then he dies. Oh, that's probably the guy. And then he dies. So it's pretty good as far as keeping the mystery alive. It's not like impossible to figure out. But it's entertaining enough that I gave it a four out of 10, but I could go as high as a five. I would recommend this to someone who likes these kind of movies and being better than the rest of the crop of them. It is streaming on Prime for some, Plex. Pluto and Tubi. I don't know if you're watching on the free services, if you're seeing all the The nudity and the and the and the Gore, I don't know because I don't watch them on there. So if you have Prime, just watch it on there. You'll get the unedited version, but Haunt Season is pretty solid. Alright, I got two more for you. And this is your classic stream. this episode, 1987's The Believers, starring Martin Sheen. This is a religious horror movie. And let me get the trailer going for you.

18:54 More than anything else, Cal Jameson wants to leave the horror of his old life behind. to discover that the real horror is just beginning. Don't you come any closer! You see what they did to the kid in here? He said he found a body young and all that would have a lot of religious paraphernalia, right? A religion as old as time. One life from each of us count versus an unimaginable force for evil. This ritual's being performed now. One life is all he has. Nothing can stop them. To power you cannot. Want them to know who you are? Do you? What have they done to you, Sean? I can't move. No one can help you. They got my shield, but you get it! You looked into his eyes, and you both felt the power of the man who killed them. Jessica! They know who you are. Chris was chosen. found the ship. It was a sign. We want you to join us.

20:08 Yeah. Um Alright, so religious horror, like I said, and a lot of Santeria. As in, you know, like the Sublime song. I don't practice Santeria. So I think this movie actually could probably be offensive to some people. To Catholics who practice Santeria, because this is Santeria coupled with voodoo. Coupled with corporate power. power. So there's a lot kind of going on here. 1987, like, you know, so this is the kind of movies that were coming out in the 80s. Movies are like, this don't get made anymore, but. Martin Sheen is a widower and a cop whose wife dies, and he's trying to move on with his life. And his son,

21:11 accidentally becomes embroiled with this cult. That has powerful ties. This is a lot. Like Rosemary's Baby. Rosemary's Baby is all over this thing because it's a lot of powerful white people. who are using voodoo. coupled with things that are learned in Santeria to I don't know, become powerful, live longer. Things that they want done. So it's kind of interesting, and the cast is great. Aside from Martin Sheen, it's Robert Loggia. Jimmy Smits has a really big part in it and acts his ass off in this movie. There's some good stuff. Harris Yulin stuff, you know, guys that you used to see a lot in the back, but if you do. believe in some of the things that are practiced in Santeria, this will be offensive to you, I would assume. I don't. I found it entertaining. I give this a 5 out of 10. This is a good watch and put away. It's on MGM Plus and nice to it's I mean I watch a lot of these newer movies. It's nice to go back and watch movies from the 80s that have that 80s hue and that 80s graininess and sensibilities every once in a while.

22:25 Even if there's offensive things in it. because that was the time then. Not excusing it, but that was the way, you know, people talked. things people did. The Believers is pretty solid. So I will recommend that as well. Moving on to the last thing is brand new, brand new, brand new. It came out last week. In fact, I wasn't even going to do this because they talk about new movies. on Pass the Popcorn. 2026 is the last house, but I'm gonna do it anyway. They can sue me if they want, those fuckers. Hey, no scooter no. Yeah. I'm not. I'm hiding from our children. It won't open. Trept in here. sitting. I don't know.

23:35 Safe. We are in our own. It's not just us. The whole world. But most importantly other I saw someone outside today. What is something out there keeping us trapped? What do we do? Yeah. going to end one day. Alright so the last house, uh I appreciate some of what it's doing.

25:22 Just don't think it's told in a great way. So I was excited about this, especially because Greta Lee is in it. I could watch Greta Lee all day, every day for months. For as long as this goddamn movie is supposed to take place, The Last House. It's supposed to be like years, like five years go by. They're stuck in this house. I could be in a house for five years of Greta Lee and have no problems whatsoever, not even be sad. I love her. She's great. She's great. But I will say Louis Leterrier, the director of this, who I look back at some of the things he's done. I don't know that this is the guy. That has the pedigree that you want for your major Netflix original movie. The director of things like The Transporter 2. Clash of the Titans, the shitty one. And Fast X or Fast 10. Is it X or 10? These fucking Fast in the Furious movies and their titles. Bullshit. Because they're all over the place. Too fast, too furious. The fast that the one is fast and furious.

26:27 There's one that's like four later's movie that's The Fast and The Furious. It's the same title. Who is supposed these movies? Titles of these Fast and Furious movies are like the titles of Led Zeppelin songs. Nobody fucking knows what they're listening to or watching. I don't know what this is called. Is it Fast X or 10? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got off. I got off on a fast and a furious tangent. Getting back to the last house, which isn't any better, honestly. I blame this guy. The pacing is so slow. There's stuff that goes on that I know I'm supposed to care about as a viewer, and I just don't. I give this a four out of 10, and that was just for Greta Lee. The story and the ending with monsters. It's all about the ocean. There's a lot of ocean stuff. Uh story and the ending with the monsters is baffling. And maybe it was baffling because I was so goddamn bored watching this movie that I lost track of why or what was going on. But there are monsters.

27:32 Sea monsters. you know hurt this lady. But then at the end there. I don't even fucking know. And I don't want to spoil it. If you're going to watch it, I don't know. Maybe I've said too much. Don't waste your time. Seriously, don't waste your time with Netflix. Uh the last house. If you would do something fun on Netflix Download the app and get your family together and play fucking Boggle. Okay, play Boggle on Netflix. Don't watch The Last House. Four out of ten is generous. You hear me, Louis Leterrier You need to you need to do better. Do better. Netflix. But I digress. I'd like to thank you for listening to another episode. of streams and nightmares. where the horror never stops streaming.

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Previous date: July 30th. More from Star Wars In Character, and Tim, the trivia expert they keep wishing was there, co-hosts Pass the Popcorn.

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0:24 Hello and welcome to another episode of Star Wars In Calendar. How Linder. Correct. How hard is it for you to not say Carrick? Sometimes it's hard. Like I really w want to say character. And one day we will. Again, but isn't calendar a I know. Maybe maybe for me in my youth. Isn't calendar one of those words that's hard to spell? Yeah, because people think it ends in ER, but it's A R. That is probably Get you kicked out of the spelling bee. early kind of word. Which can you start right now? C-A-L calendar, C-A-L-E-N-D-A-R. Okay. Do you remember the spelling bee? I kind of do yeah, a little bit. A little tiny bit. I don't remember the words that were that was said back then. It was rough. It was real rough. And it was like Brian Regan, the comedian, does a thing about the spelling be like, so they put you on display. Mass, mass humiliation, you know.

1:35 And that is exactly what they did. It was in our big cafeteria with like the whole school watching. And we stood in a line and walked up the stairs and got a word. Do you remember this? Kind of did a little bit, yeah. I remember there was a spelling would be, but I mean, what grade? They weren't big words, right? We were pretty, I mean, I want to say third grade. I think there was maybe a champion from each grade or something, but like I remember feeling the pressure, like as you get closer and closer to the stage, I spelled my first word word wrong. I remember the word. What was the word? Tongue. Oh, that's a tough word. I spelled tongue wrong. And I'm I'm a half decent speller. Yeah, but you get you get up there in front of everybody, you spell the first one wrong, it's like, wah wah how my friends are still up there. I'm like, oh look at me, I'm a moron. If I wonder if I went one that there's tongue. F-U-C-K. Tongue. You would have done that when you were. I would have. I would have. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say that thank you for joining me on today is Thursday.

2:39 August 13th. August thirteenth. Yes. Uh it's almost it was almost a Friday the thirteenth. And that's the that's yeah, Friday the third. Isn't there the isn't that doesn't that happen like three times a year or something or four times a year only? Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just remember I would get all excited on Friday the thirteenth when we were little because USA up all night would show the marathon. Yeah. I'm gonna stay up all night and watch these movies and you'd get to the third one and you'd fall asleep. Did Gilbert Gottfried host that back in the day? He did at times. Rhonda Shear. We haven't talked about Star Wars at all. No, no. Well, today is today's Thursday, August 13th, and there's only a couple of things that happened. And Star Wars, you know, lore, I guess. And at one of these, I don't remember which isn't saying much. And one of them I I do. Alright, what happened today? Day My 1982, August 13th, a new hope returned to the theaters.

3:40 for a summer re-release. This was the very first theatrical trailer. for Return of the Jedi. Oh, that's cool. Isn't that cool'cause 83 was Jedi? I know Joel's. Star Wars, some shit was always Grease, was always like re-released, you know, every summertime, every summertime, every time, every summertime. Because they knew that it was before people were like widely using VCRs and they would still go back. Yeah, the only way to see this again is in the theaters, kind of. You know what I mean? So they re-released the original. With the intention to show you the Return of the Jedi trailer? That's great. Is there kind of marketing that exists? today. Like that was ahead of its time. And I wonder if It was the the the like teaser Jedi trailer where it said maybe Revenge of the Jedi maybe. Or was it the actual final Return of the Jedi Trailer? I count those Revenge of the Jedi trailers ever saw. The late a day. Movie theaters.

4:42 I could be wrong. Timo now. You really should have Tim on this show, not me. He's always busy. He's always, you know, doing whatever he does. He's writing a book. Tim would know and then Matt. And then me, like, I'm the worst to have on this show, honestly. Not at all. Not at all. Yeah, I know your schedule is open. Yeah, that's right. Do you remember when it's nothing in my life except for waiting? I just sit in my room and wait for you to like contact me. You get like, ooh, someone someone's emailed me. Do you remember this being released? I don't. My family slides a tray of food under the door twice a day. Otters is bread and butter because I think the thing they can slide under a door. Right. I'll only eat flat foods, please. Beetas, I can't don't I can't eat a taco. You can't get a taco under the fucking door. A lot of fruit roll-ups, but only when it's unrolled. I don't remember even Joe. I don't even remember movies back in theaters, back in theaters. Like, I remember seeing the posters years later. Like, this was the anniversary poster when they recently began in theaters.

5:53 It's funny that you say that because I was just I I don't know if it's because of algorithms or because of something that I follow. It was some 80s page on social media. And I love it when they do. This week in 1985. five, these were the top 10 movies. I've been seeing that too on mine. I love that stuff. So, what have you seen? Isn't 85 one of the biggest? Summers of movies. It was great. It was, it was Back to the Future and European Vacation and Pee-wee's Big Adventure. St. Elmo's Fire. I it's funny because I looked at the top ten, the number eight. movie that week was E. T. The 1985 re-release. Oh my God. I didn't remember E T being re-released in 1985. I was I was pretending to be on a skateboard in Hill Valley. From that point on, I was like, fuck off. I'm not, I'm dedicating my life.

6:54 to this now. Right. But yeah, I do that that that is really That's forward thinking, member. This is Star Wars related at least. Yeah. And Big movie would be coming out. And I know it happened for the teaser teaser for episode one. People found out what movie it was on. I know what movie it was on, too. Okay, I was going to ask you because I know this is Tim would know. And the movie did really well at the box office because people were paying for a ticket to see the trailer and then leaving. Yeah. Not even watching the movie. What was the movie? I think it was Meet Joe Black. I think it was serious. I swear, Dave, Google it while we're talking. I swear to God, it was the Brad Pitt movie Meet Joe Black. That people went in there just to watch the first Phantom Menace trailer. Because Star Black is like a real movie, though. It was 83 with Jedi and then 99. So there was nothing Star Wars, nothing, nothing, nothing. And all of a sudden, holy shit, the movie's coming out. That's 99. I swear, I'm almost positive it was Meet Joe Black.

7:57 It would be great if it was um Like the terrible movie, like Chairman of the Board starring Carrot Top. Number one at the box office, record-breaking sales for someone to see. And it wasn't even the full trailer, it was just the teaser. Look up opening. Yeah, opening box. So I'm just curious, how much did Meet Joe Black make opening weekend? I think it's I think it was that. But I think we worked, you know, we were there working at the theater. So we just, we could just walk in and watch the trailer anytime we wanted. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't. than necessarily. matter. Right. But it was was yeah, what was the teaser trailer came out in November of 1998? Was it all Meet Joe Black? Or am I just totally... You could be right. I don't yeah.

8:58 They we s they what was it? I wonder what yes, I'm almost positive it was on Meet Joe Black. Which I don't even think I've ever seen, Meet Joe Black. In November 1998, the theatrical release of the romantic comedy Meet Joe Black famously became a vehicle for the very first teaser for Star Wars Episode I, The Phantom Menace. You win the episode. I win, I win, I win the internet. Thousands of Star Wars fans bought full-price tickets to see Meet Joe Black just to see the two-minute preview. That's what it says here. And then people would leave. They would leave. Why wouldn't you stay? Well, that's the thing. Like, yeah, like. I've I've left a few movies. I hate and they It's one of Dave's favorite films. I remember seeing. That's just a Ford Fairlane. You've got to be kidding. I swear to God. Andrew Dice Clay. And that's one movie I remember leaving. Now, I don't know if I don't know. And maybe something came up. I don't know. I wanted to say I did a legging and I left, but I never do that.

10:00 Why would you do that? I don't know. Hear me out. I don't remember why I did it. But I remember that movie, Me Walking Out, of of Halfway Through. And I know that's one of your favorite films of all time. You're crazy. You are crazy right now. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't enjoy it. I don't know if something came up. What year was that? I don't even know, 90 or something, 91. I don't know. Yeah. ninety. And I just I didn't Get it? Maybe it didn't a lot of stuff that I I like now. I didn't like then. Kevin Smith. I never liked him back then. You're crazy. I love him now. You are absolutely crazy. Because you know why? Ford Fairlane. Private dip. Another satisfied customer. He's wrong. Roseme Bun. Excites you? You got the Mona's playing. And the only thing bigger than his gun is his mouth. Say, come on. Look your scum. Andrew Dice Clay. Drink me like the

11:04 That I am Ford Fairlane, Rated R, now playing at theaters everywhere. See, I would have walked in to see that trailer on a Star Wars movie and left. I almost walked out of this podcast because of that trailer, playing. He's a scumbag. Even though I see right there for scumbag. Produced by Joel Silver and Renny Harlin, two eighties icons that I love all their movies. That's right. I'm hoping that maybe you'll pick this for the Gradius someday down the future. I tried right away, but you cannot find this movie anywhere. You have to like own it. Buy a copy at a yard sale. So if I ever see several copies of this for very cheap, I will buy the DVDs and send them across the country so we can watch one of my favorite movies. Yeah, we don't talk about Ford Fairlane, but uh Yeah, that I do remember that being a thing that people left and I guess, I don't know, maybe people did that for Star Wars. Probably not. I mean, if they were going to see this original Star Wars back in the theater.

12:12 Trailer was a bonus. There's another thing I heard on some podcasts, maybe it's before we were even born. Trailers Back in the day. Used to be at the end of the movies. Yeah, that's why they're called trailers. Duh, dumbass. But they trailed the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't that sound fucking weird? But supposedly, no one stayed. The credits are happening. People were leaving. So they fucking moved them. for the movies, which people hate too, I guess. Depends where you go, I guess. Yeah, I never could, like. Oh, what's coming out at the end of the movie? I like them before the movie. Yeah, coming soon. I can't see that happening. Yeah. When I was like, like, the booth was mine, the projection booth, when I could do whatever I wanted to do, I used to do all kinds of weird stuff. And I had all kinds of old trailers that we had saved from years and years and years. I remember it, yeah. And um If we if they were there to see, you know, um

13:13 The Lone Movie. Yeah, there to see I don't know. The Specialist. The Specialist here. And he was like, this is terrible. But at the end, when the movie was over, the credits roll, I would stick over the top. Yeah. On the end of that. So if anybody had stuck around, they got a little bonus treat. The little bonus vintage trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little over the top. Lincoln slash link. Slash hawk. less hawks than movie. People be confused, be like, is that coming back out again? Do you think we really cared? That was their problem. Yeah. They didn't care. Cause Matt found up in the roof, up in the tiles for me, I had the original 1978 or maybe 77, I guess. Superman trailer, like the first ever with just the names. Flying screen, yeah. I had that original, yeah, he put together like just I had my own reels and reels of trailers that he used to show, like.

14:16 For the people in the lobby, we had a screen in the lobby that I controlled. Yeah, yeah. And I just had old previews. And then, like, the people will come from corporate and say, like, why is it? Cause it was supposed to show current movies or movies that were coming out soon. And I, and the kids downstairs, they'd be like, Can you put the old thing on? And be like, yeah. And then someone will come and be like, what is this? And it's like, I don't know. Maybe we love movies. Did you ever hear of movies? You scumbag. Right. It was one of those kind of things. But Matt put one together and. when we found those old trailers. That Superman trailer is like five six minutes long, right? Yeah, it says every name actor in that movie flying at you. Yeah. And then there's a guy that talks. Like they'll say like It'll come up and it'll say, and it'll say, you know, Margot Kidder. You remember her. From the Amityville horror. But now she plays Lois Lane, crack reporter for the Daily Planet. And then it would come up and then the next person, Ned Beatty, you remember him getting raped in front of a tree.

15:23 Squeal like a pig. Right. It was like all of those things coming. And the guy just kept talking. And you're like sitting there being like, I hope the movie's better than this. Yeah. I think and and and then you know, and you'll believe a man can fly and then whatever year, you know what I mean, whatever month, yeah, and then the Superman thing like came up finally, like finally, yeah, finally we watched this for you. Something has to do with Superman. One is Gene Hackman and then Beatty bang like pigs. What's going on here? Right. Yeah, that's the Terence Stamp. He's English. Marlon Brando. Hmm. He was in a softcore porn called Last Night in Last Tango in Paris. Yeah, I th that's really I like that little The Return of the Jedi. And there's there's one how come back then? Had like a narr narrator or trailer. That's how it was back in our day. And it was the same guy who fucking, you know, in America. It was the same person saying something. Yes. Yeah, they don't really do that anymore. They just show clips from the movie.

16:26 Yeah. That trailer voice guy would be out of a job. That is the "In a world" guy. Yeah, yeah, inner world. Inner world. Yeah. I think he passed away, right? I think? Didn't he? I don't know his name. They could get a new person to do it. True, but speaking about passing away, one more thing happened on this date. In 2016 We lost an icon Star Wars actor. Legendary. Iconic. Actor Kenny Baker who played R2-D2 died at 81 today. That's a I mean, I'm not I'm not being facetious or trying to be funny, but that is h honestly a a long time for a little person to live, I think. You're absolutely right. They're they're Their lifespan isn't. I am not as normal as there's more complications that can happen. It happens with like people, people who are little people and then people that are very large, like people.

17:29 Like Andre the Giant. Now Andre the Giant was a raging alcoholic, but people that are that tall and that big, they often have a lot of physical problems. That don't lead to a long lifespan. He lives he lived a long time I mean Thank you. We we've met him. I got him on like all the prequels, the original trilogy. I mean he was like one of our first autographs I ever got for six dollars. I think we went to that mall, Dave. I think he was one of the people there. It was a convention. It was that Men Behind the Masks tour. Yeah. Yeah. And they were all five or six dollars. Yeah. It was like fucking heaven. You could have him write, you know, he has no dialogue. But you can have him write whatever you want it for like five, six bucks, you know? Yeah, he it was him. Peter Mayhew browsed. David Prowse, um Michael Sheard, who played Admiral Ozzel, even though he wasn't behind a mask, it was men behind the mask. And Michael Carter, who was. Bib Fortuna. Yeah.

18:31 And there was nobody there. And we got to like talk to all of them. Yeah. It was before conventions really kicked in like they are now, man. But it was a great time. He was nice. I remember. One convention that Tim and I were at that He was There was like this weird they made the art the um trash cans. Taint of them like R2-D2. Uh-huh. And I think Kenny Baker was like walking past one, or he walked behind one, going to lunch or on a break or something, and he stopped and. A trash can's tiny. Kenny Baker's tiny. So you didn't really see him behind this, this, this trash can. And that's what made it even funnier. For me, I guess. He was gone. So there he was. There he was. He's gone because he's behind this trash can, painted like R2-D2. Then I even seen. Some people, you know how some people make those custom figures, which are fucking. Phenomenal makes someone made a miniature figure of R2 with the dome off.

19:35 But Kenny Baker's Top half. His body, his top half's there. It looks it looks amazing. Yeah, I would I would buy that. That's the same thing. The British actor best known for playing R2-D2 in the Star Wars films has died. Kenny Baker was 82 years old. He stood three feet eight inches tall. His family told CNN that he had been battling health issues for a very long time. He appeared as the beloved robot. in six Star Wars films. Six! and acted as a consultant for the most recent installment, The Force Awakens. He also appeared in other 80s science fiction movies such as Time Bandits and Flash Gordon. I love it when they get somebody to like talk about stars. You could just, she has no idea what she's even talking about. She goes, the beloved robot. And every Star Wars fan that saw that report was like, they're droids, they're not robots. Yeah, yeah, Astromech droids. Get it right, lady. Yeah.

20:37 Uh the beloved robot appeared in six Star Wars six! Yeah. There's six Star Wars movies? This lady, give me a break. Was this? I didn't see the Star Wars starring Spock. Did you? Yeah. I had a big deal. This the my room that I'm sitting in used to be I would say it used to be eighty percent Star Wars. All the crap that I have up. Now it's eight. It's now, I would say, Between twenty and thirty. put all that stuff way downgraded. and added other things that I like. And including a lot of the autographs that we've gotten throughout the years. But The Kenny Baker R2-D2 autograph that I got that very first time is still. One of the things that remains, and I won't take it down because He is Star Wars. R2-D2 is Star Wars. Yeah. Do you did you get on 8x10? Oh, wow. It's a picture of him on from the first movie, like in the in the

21:38 Sand, you know. It doesn't say anything. It just says Kenny Baker and it underlined it, and it just says R2-D2 under it. It was a big deal back in the day. Like, to get like all my posters here, buddy. You can see like where the droids are at. And there's Kenny Baker on that one under Anthony Daniels. And the older he got, you know, it looks like an old one. But over there, it's one of my first ones. Actually, inside. Yeah. Yeah, he he would I don't know, I don't think he moved it, like. remote control, but he was in it moving maybe like the dome maybe or something or the little Newt, whatever that little button is, he was in it. Well, I think his probably biggest contribution to that. Movement was when R2 would just be, he wouldn't be on the three legs, he'd be on the two legs, and he would kind of like, you know, when R2 was like, yeah, he was like excited about something or pissed off, and he would like rock back and forth, and it would move like that was him. Yeah. I don't think he's in it. You think he's in it? That that has to hurt. Especially if it's just not moving and falls over, then probably no. But if it's like doing some kind of movement and then falls over.

22:51 He was really a st like a stunt man. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. And every time we saw him like I never you know, like I never Stan Lee. I don't think I've ever seen Stan Lee Young. I don't think I've ever seen Kenny Baker Young. Like, I never really knew him. younger you know Every time I saw him, he was he was an elderly man, you know, up there in a wheelchair. His wife. was always with by his side. And everything, helping him sign stuff and just like there. Was she ever in? Any of the movies? Like, I don't Thanks for watching. Once again, Tim, Tim, is she still alive? I don't know. That's why I need Tim on this show, really. Tim, put your pen down. Stop writing a book. All right. You need to cut me loose and get Tim on the show because Tim will have important facts. And here's the thing. And I want this episode to be. Short timeline is going to be long. Well, all I can add is Adventures of Ford Fairlane. That's all I got. It's I will watch it if it's available again. But this is today's date. Is what, buddy?

24:00 You've no idea. Snap ahead. What what actual day is it? Thursday. Thursday. You're correct. Thursday. Today's Thursday. It's been the week's almost over for us. So, you know. It's it's not just starting. It's not like like a Sunday or something. It's just you know it's Thursday. Dave, thank you. Putting that illusion out there. Yeah, I'm trying. That we got up early this morning. I'm so tired. I got the sun. Early this morning to put it out today. Today, which is yeah, I mean, it's not like it's like Hold on. Then th it's not like it's like, you know, lunchtime around Sunday. No. It's Thursday around Sunday. No, it's not that time. It is it's time to, you know, to say goodbye to August 13th and we'll be back again. Another episode. Another date. I see what Dave's typing. You got a problem? No.

25:04 Not at all. Not at all. Anyway. Hey, what's the hassle? Hassle? What is this? I'm gonna be what is that shit, huh? I could crack my knuckles with more rhythm than that. I mean, you're killing, rockin', rape, and roll, man. I mean, Keith Richards is rolling over in his grave. The friggin' guy isn't even dead yet. You're tearing me apart. Hey, sir. I'll let you continue because he's about to sing. I'll play you out then. No, what's funny is that Kevin's joked. It's funny because he's still not dead. It's 2026. Yeah, this was 1990. I know. I dunno. Anyway, well thanks for listening to, you know In Star Wars In Calendar, we're going to go out with Ford Fairlane. What's more Star Wars than this? Right? No, no. Rest your lips, put down the earmuffs. Go ahead. Rock and roll. No rock and roll is. What's far done, man? Guys, uh...

26:06 [Clip: The Adventures of Ford Fairlane] I don't know why I walked out.

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Cheers!

If you've listened to the show for any length of time, you already know rice lagers are one of my favorite styles. In this episode, I dive deep into what makes the style so appealing, how modern brewers are putting their own spin on it, and why I think Japanese-style rice lagers may be becoming important enough to deserve their own BJCP category someday.

Along the way, I discuss brewing rice lagers at home, the evolution of ingredients used in the style, recent judging experiences from a major homebrew competition, and whether Heist's take on the style delivers the crisp, clean character I was hoping for.

Did this beer live up to my expectations? Not exactly. But it sparked a great conversation about where rice lagers are today and where they may be headed in the future.

Pour yourself something cold and join me for another episode of Matt Likes Beer!

Playlist link: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5cprFGAHd11gUmybrYVxYi?si=JQaZW73OTxKnf5MH3h1TAA&pi=-7D_sozMRV6OF

Recorded during intermission of a Flyers vs. Penguins playoff game — immediately after Garnet Hathaway scores — this may be the most emotionally compromised beer review I’ve ever done.

Inside the episode: A full BJCP-style breakdown of Hathaway’s Heroes IPA Live playoff energy and Flyers fandom chaos Stories from early-2000s cigar festivals and discovering Dogfish Head A nostalgic dive into the lost brewing TV series Brew Masters Brewing talk about stalled fermentations, oxygenation, specialty malts, and resin-heavy IPAs A review that openly admits the score may have been influenced by hockey emotions

This episode is part beer review, part brewing rabbit hole, part sports panic attack — and somehow it all works.

If you love Dogfish Head, craft beer history, brewing process talk, or hearing someone try to professionally judge a beer while distracted by playoff hockey, this one’s for you.

This episode, Chris and Dave discuss the history of Star Wars of May 25th.